Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
I'm sorry that I'm human Sarah and that I show emotion when something I did to contribute is shunned because I don't meet all the guidelines of professionalism. Professionalism to me is nothing more than a word that means remain completely politically correct, show no emotion and under no circumstances must you act human. Well I'm human and I have emotions and I have opinions and I have a heart which is the very reason I set up this site to begin with.. Ubuntu was the first Linux distribution that honestly gave me complete freedom from MS and Apple. To be honest after these discussions about how terrible I am for building this site I am very depressed and very sad. Especially the comments from you Sarah since I see the ubuntu.com as your email.. Sorry I'm just a guy and not a fortune 500 executive. I was under the impression Ubuntu was for ALL humans which includes opinions, feelings, emotions, flaws and heart. Of course then again I may be wrong. Question: Is Linux Trovald the most professional politically correct person in the big game? No way... Do we all love what he did/does for us? Of course... If it wasn't for that unprofessional person you wouldn't not have the ubuntu.com as part of your email address. Thanks for making me feel miserable over something I did for Ubuntu, Linux, the community and as a hobby for myself. I will also add I'm not abandoning the site I will continue to develop it, advertise it and move forward even if no one ever uses it because I believe in the idea and if only one person buys a computer from it and learns linux then I contributed something. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Good god would you guys get a friggin clue! This site is not about >> ripping >> anyone off its about giving the everyday man a venue to sell his >> ubuntu/linux work either as a hobby or profession whatever... I wanted >> to >> flatter Ubuntu and give Ubuntu/Linux a community based venue where >> anyone >> can sell there Ubuntu/Linux based computer because they like setting >> them >> up and maybe they can make some extra cash doing it.. And help >> promote >> linux as a whole. > > Ignoring the rest of the thread, i'd merely like to point out... > > > > If the support team behaves in an unprofessional manner like this, would > you really entrust large amounts of money (hundreds of dollars) to them > for computers? Do you have the confidence that you would get the gear > as requested? > > > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good god would you guys get a friggin clue! This site is not about ripping > anyone off its about giving the everyday man a venue to sell his > ubuntu/linux work either as a hobby or profession whatever... I wanted to > flatter Ubuntu and give Ubuntu/Linux a community based venue where anyone > can sell there Ubuntu/Linux based computer because they like setting them > up and maybe they can make some extra cash doing it.. And help promote > linux as a whole. Ignoring the rest of the thread, i'd merely like to point out... If the support team behaves in an unprofessional manner like this, would you really entrust large amounts of money (hundreds of dollars) to them for computers? Do you have the confidence that you would get the gear as requested? -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
Michael this is my last attempt trying to get you to understand that I'm not in it for money. Its a hobby/service and all advertisements on the site are strickly promotional (exchanges)... There isn't one thing on the site making me anything... You must be a business man since that is the only thing you see.. You still believe that "I" am selling these computers... I'm not... Anyone can, thats the point... I'm sorry that I created something for everyone to benefit from and not only help "spread the word" about linux but actually help get Ubuntu/Linux in peoples homes. It also helps others make some extra cash who have a talent and find pleasure in setting up machines with linux. Lets see, I'm helping spread opensource, I'm spreading the word about ubuntu, I'm giving everyone a venue to buy a linux computer, I'm giving everyone a place to sell/showcase their work... and I'm doing it all for free... If thats not in the spirit of opensource then I'm not sure what is. And don't give me that but. you plan to make money someday off the site.. Is linux free? Yes. Does linux make money? Of course it does! Linux, opensource, GPL does not mean "You must make no money!" Its about freedom not just about free (non profit). If I ever decide to make some money off of Buntfu it will be through paid advertising not fees or commissions from users. Good Grief > Ronnie, > > You certainly are correct in your statement that many sites are breaking > Canonical's trademark. My LoCo is doing it with our blog at > http://alabamaubuntu.org. BUT there is a big difference between your site > and my site. > > I am NOT trying to make money off of the site. I am, in fact, sticking to > the community spirit of Ubuntu and spreading the message. If Canonical > came > to me and asked (or told) me to change the name, then I would. I certainly > would not take it to an official Ubuntu channel and degrade the members > because of the actions that Canonical took against me. > > I wish you well in your endeavors, but I will not use your service because > of the actions that you have brought to this list. Like Jeremy said, had > you > taken a different tact, you could have avoided a lot of misunderstanding > and > probably not made such a bad name for yourself or your business. > > Michael Ramm > > -- > Ubuntu AlabamaTeam LoCo > Forums @ http://alabama.ubuntuforums.org/ > Wiki @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam/ > > The 1-Man IT Department @ http://blog.1manit.net/ > Ubuntu User #1 | Linux User #451972 > > On 3/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> yes they made me change my original name which was ourbuntu. They were >> very enthused that I created this site but that the buntu part of my >> site >> name was on of their trademarks and that they could not grant permission >> since the policy clearly states they will not do so for commercial type >> sites.. >> >> I kept it similar to ubuntu not because of trying to steal or confuse >> but >> simply because the site is more focused on ubuntu computers rather than >> just general linux systems... I wanted that to be clear from the door. >> >> I did this because I believe in ubuntu, I also believe if new users are >> going to be looking for linux machines they will want an ubuntu machine >> first. >> >> There are a massive amount of sites on the internet that break Ubuntu's >> trademark policy just with their domain names... no site can have ubuntu >> or buntu in their site name and make money off of their website or >> business.. Yet this is done constantly but individuals sooo i'm not >> quite >> sure why i'm catching so much heat. >> >> just one of the thousands examples of this is http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ >> >> >> sincerely, >> ronnie >> >> > >> > tis 2008-03-11 klockan 09:19 -0600 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> >> >> I'm just having trouble understand why individuals can't have >> projects >> >> or >> >> hobby sites anymore why does it always have to be about >> professionalism >> >> and business... just strikes me as strange >> >> >> >> Its a small auction site for anyone who wants to sell linux machines >> >> preferrably Ubuntu machines... and nothing more... Its my >> project/hobby >> >> site... I enjoy having such a project/hobby >> >> >> >> I am sorry I'm not a big business I'm just a guy with a lil site.. >> >> >> >> If you miss or want big business back in your life that bad i'm sure >> MS >> >> has a chair (or straight jacket) waiting for you. >> >> >> > >> >> > Well, the problem as I see it isn't that you have built a little >> > business around ubuntu - I think that's a great thing! What I do not >> > like, on the other hand, is the way you use the ubuntu graphics and >> > slogans/texts on your site. It feels very much like I'm stepping into >> a >> > canonlical-shop. >> > >> > Have you even talked to any of the ubuntu-teams, or canonical iteslf? >> > >> > Gasten >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ubuntu-marketing mailing list >>
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
Ronnie, You certainly are correct in your statement that many sites are breaking Canonical's trademark. My LoCo is doing it with our blog at http://alabamaubuntu.org. BUT there is a big difference between your site and my site. I am NOT trying to make money off of the site. I am, in fact, sticking to the community spirit of Ubuntu and spreading the message. If Canonical came to me and asked (or told) me to change the name, then I would. I certainly would not take it to an official Ubuntu channel and degrade the members because of the actions that Canonical took against me. I wish you well in your endeavors, but I will not use your service because of the actions that you have brought to this list. Like Jeremy said, had you taken a different tact, you could have avoided a lot of misunderstanding and probably not made such a bad name for yourself or your business. Michael Ramm -- Ubuntu AlabamaTeam LoCo Forums @ http://alabama.ubuntuforums.org/ Wiki @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam/ The 1-Man IT Department @ http://blog.1manit.net/ Ubuntu User #1 | Linux User #451972 On 3/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes they made me change my original name which was ourbuntu. They were > very enthused that I created this site but that the buntu part of my site > name was on of their trademarks and that they could not grant permission > since the policy clearly states they will not do so for commercial type > sites.. > > I kept it similar to ubuntu not because of trying to steal or confuse but > simply because the site is more focused on ubuntu computers rather than > just general linux systems... I wanted that to be clear from the door. > > I did this because I believe in ubuntu, I also believe if new users are > going to be looking for linux machines they will want an ubuntu machine > first. > > There are a massive amount of sites on the internet that break Ubuntu's > trademark policy just with their domain names... no site can have ubuntu > or buntu in their site name and make money off of their website or > business.. Yet this is done constantly but individuals sooo i'm not quite > sure why i'm catching so much heat. > > just one of the thousands examples of this is http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ > > > sincerely, > ronnie > > > > > tis 2008-03-11 klockan 09:19 -0600 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > >> I'm just having trouble understand why individuals can't have projects > >> or > >> hobby sites anymore why does it always have to be about professionalism > >> and business... just strikes me as strange > >> > >> Its a small auction site for anyone who wants to sell linux machines > >> preferrably Ubuntu machines... and nothing more... Its my project/hobby > >> site... I enjoy having such a project/hobby > >> > >> I am sorry I'm not a big business I'm just a guy with a lil site.. > >> > >> If you miss or want big business back in your life that bad i'm sure MS > >> has a chair (or straight jacket) waiting for you. > >> > > > > > Well, the problem as I see it isn't that you have built a little > > business around ubuntu - I think that's a great thing! What I do not > > like, on the other hand, is the way you use the ubuntu graphics and > > slogans/texts on your site. It feels very much like I'm stepping into a > > canonlical-shop. > > > > Have you even talked to any of the ubuntu-teams, or canonical iteslf? > > > > Gasten > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:17 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes they made me change my original name which was ourbuntu. They were > very enthused that I created this site but that the buntu part of my site > name was on of their trademarks and that they could not grant permission > since the policy clearly states they will not do so for commercial type > sites.. > > I kept it similar to ubuntu not because of trying to steal or confuse but > simply because the site is more focused on ubuntu computers rather than > just general linux systems... I wanted that to be clear from the door. > > I did this because I believe in ubuntu, I also believe if new users are > going to be looking for linux machines they will want an ubuntu machine > first. > > There are a massive amount of sites on the internet that break Ubuntu's > trademark policy just with their domain names... no site can have ubuntu > or buntu in their site name and make money off of their website or > business.. Yet this is done constantly but individuals sooo i'm not quite > sure why i'm catching so much heat. > > just one of the thousands examples of this is http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ > > > sincerely, > ronnie > > > > > tis 2008-03-11 klockan 09:19 -0600 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I'm just having trouble understand why individuals can't have projects > >> or > >> hobby sites anymore why does it always have to be about professionalism > >> and business... just strikes me as strange > >> > >> Its a small auction site for anyone who wants to sell linux machines > >> preferrably Ubuntu machines... and nothing more... Its my project/hobby > >> site... I enjoy having such a project/hobby > >> > >> I am sorry I'm not a big business I'm just a guy with a lil site.. > >> > >> If you miss or want big business back in your life that bad i'm sure MS > >> has a chair (or straight jacket) waiting for you. > >> > > > > Well, the problem as I see it isn't that you have built a little > > business around ubuntu - I think that's a great thing! What I do not > > like, on the other hand, is the way you use the ubuntu graphics and > > slogans/texts on your site. It feels very much like I'm stepping into a > > canonlical-shop. > > > > Have you even talked to any of the ubuntu-teams, or canonical iteslf? > > > > Gasten > > > > > > > > > > > I think you caught heat because you didn't do earlier what you did in this e-mail. To explain what your thoughts were and what the concepts were behind what you are doing. I think what you have done now will allow people to give intelligent suggestions and maybe help you in what you are trying to accomplish. Anyway, my two cents... Jeremy -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pisze: yes they made me change my original name which was ourbuntu. They were very enthused that I created this site but that the buntu part of my site name was on of their trademarks and that they could not grant permission since the policy clearly states they will not do so for commercial type sites.. So if you're in contact with Canonical, and they don't have any further objections, then we should have any objections too. Keep up the good work :) -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I kept it similar to ubuntu not because of trying to steal or confuse I take you at your word, but nonetheless it certainly confused me, even though it was not your intention. From a marketing point of view, such confusion is disastrous and your excellent idea can surely be taken forward with a second think about a look and feel which promotes a more useful reader response? > but > simply because the site is more focused on ubuntu computers rather than > just general linux systems... I wanted that to be clear from the door. It was clear to me that it was ubuntu focussed. It was not clear where it fitted in commercially and its credible motives. Ironically, the better job you do to make it look ubuntu-ish, then the more suspicion you might get about your motives, whatever you state, because of the intuitive look alike. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
yes they made me change my original name which was ourbuntu. They were very enthused that I created this site but that the buntu part of my site name was on of their trademarks and that they could not grant permission since the policy clearly states they will not do so for commercial type sites.. I kept it similar to ubuntu not because of trying to steal or confuse but simply because the site is more focused on ubuntu computers rather than just general linux systems... I wanted that to be clear from the door. I did this because I believe in ubuntu, I also believe if new users are going to be looking for linux machines they will want an ubuntu machine first. There are a massive amount of sites on the internet that break Ubuntu's trademark policy just with their domain names... no site can have ubuntu or buntu in their site name and make money off of their website or business.. Yet this is done constantly but individuals sooo i'm not quite sure why i'm catching so much heat. just one of the thousands examples of this is http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ sincerely, ronnie > > tis 2008-03-11 klockan 09:19 -0600 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> I'm just having trouble understand why individuals can't have projects >> or >> hobby sites anymore why does it always have to be about professionalism >> and business... just strikes me as strange >> >> Its a small auction site for anyone who wants to sell linux machines >> preferrably Ubuntu machines... and nothing more... Its my project/hobby >> site... I enjoy having such a project/hobby >> >> I am sorry I'm not a big business I'm just a guy with a lil site.. >> >> If you miss or want big business back in your life that bad i'm sure MS >> has a chair (or straight jacket) waiting for you. >> > > Well, the problem as I see it isn't that you have built a little > business around ubuntu - I think that's a great thing! What I do not > like, on the other hand, is the way you use the ubuntu graphics and > slogans/texts on your site. It feels very much like I'm stepping into a > canonlical-shop. > > Have you even talked to any of the ubuntu-teams, or canonical iteslf? > > Gasten > > > > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
I'm just having trouble understand why individuals can't have projects or hobby sites anymore why does it always have to be about professionalism and business... just strikes me as strange Its a small auction site for anyone who wants to sell linux machines preferrably Ubuntu machines... and nothing more... Its my project/hobby site... I enjoy having such a project/hobby I am sorry I'm not a big business I'm just a guy with a lil site.. If you miss or want big business back in your life that bad i'm sure MS has a chair (or straight jacket) waiting for you. > THAT sure is one way NOT to get business from a segment of the population. > I > will definitely not steer anyone to the Buntfu site for computer > purchases. > The defensive tone of your response to some warranted criticism is really > an > unacceptable business practice in my book. The Ubuntu is a tight knit > community (I know that you know this). We are just worried about the image > of Ubuntu because it is such a struggle to get people to even try > non-Microsoft stuff in this day. > > Your proper response should have been to outline you philosophy and > reasoning for offering what you do. Systems preloaded with linux are still > pretty hard to come by, but are increasing. I think that your site had > potential, but I will not find out any further because of the derogatory > tone of your comments to this list. Also remember, flattery is one thing, > trademark infringement is a totally different beast. > > There are so many ways to contribute to the Ubuntu community. I just one > guy > also who does not program, is not a linux god, and does not have deep > pockets. There are many teams (like this marketing team) that need folks > to > help out with their mission. Get involved in a LoCo team in your area. > Just > helping people on the forums is great! That is the real beauty of the > Ubuntu > Community, it is open to all...linux n00b (like me) all the way to the > programmers of the OS. > > Michael Ramm > > -- > Ubuntu AlabamaTeam LoCo > Forums @ http://alabama.ubuntuforums.org/ > Wiki @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam/ > > The 1-Man IT Department @ http://blog.1manit.net/ > Ubuntu User #1 | Linux User #451972 > > On 3/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Good god would you guys get a friggin clue! This site is not about >> ripping >> anyone off its about giving the everyday man a venue to sell his >> ubuntu/linux work either as a hobby or profession whatever... I wanted >> to >> flatter Ubuntu and give Ubuntu/Linux a community based venue where >> anyone >> can sell there Ubuntu/Linux based computer because they like setting >> them >> up and maybe they can make some extra cash doing it.. And help >> promote >> linux as a whole. >> >> All of you have been so tainted by Microsoft and big business that you >> think there is some evil plan behind everything THERE ISN'T I'm >> just >> a guy with a love for Ubuntu who had an idea to give everyone an auction >> style store to showcase there work and sell them if they wanted to >> >> With ebay killing you with fees I thought it would be nice for everyone >> to >> have a place dedicated to linux/Ubuntu computers to buy and sell at >> without >> the fees... >> >> But apparently no one is allowed to be good hearted anymore and create >> something for others. Would it be nice if Buntfu could actually pay >> for itself one day sure. But its not the reason behind it. Maybe >> I >> had the wrong idea about the philosophy behind linux then again maybe >> the >> philosophy of linux is being jaded by big business in general,... who >> knows but thanks for making me feel like I did something for nothing... >> >> All I wanted to do was create something unique for everyone because its >> the only "big" way I can contribute I'm not a hard core programmer or a >> linux god or have big deep pockets... Just a guy trying to help I >> think there were two guys like that who started this whole thing >> anyway... >> >> Remember their names? If not you don't know linux >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Ronnie >> >> >> Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings >> Buntfu - PCs from Human Beings >> >> "Thats called flattery not theft" >> >> Buntfu is not a linux distro, its computers with Ubuntu/Linux on them >> from >> everyday people. hence "PCs from Human Beings" >> >> > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
Michael has a very good point. Ronnie, I think buntfu is a good idea, maybe just needs some refinement. Any project which tries to involve a community like this is gonna require some thick skin and perseverance. I am personally disgusted by some of the fees you pay to the larger commercial sites (ebay, amazon, etc), and while some may prefer established vendors, at least for personal use, I'd rather buy from someone in our community (providing prices arent out of whack). To each his own. dan On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Michael Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THAT sure is one way NOT to get business from a segment of the population. I > will definitely not steer anyone to the Buntfu site for computer purchases. > The defensive tone of your response to some warranted criticism is really an > unacceptable business practice in my book. The Ubuntu is a tight knit > community (I know that you know this). We are just worried about the image > of Ubuntu because it is such a struggle to get people to even try > non-Microsoft stuff in this day. > > Your proper response should have been to outline you philosophy and > reasoning for offering what you do. Systems preloaded with linux are still > pretty hard to come by, but are increasing. I think that your site had > potential, but I will not find out any further because of the derogatory > tone of your comments to this list. Also remember, flattery is one thing, > trademark infringement is a totally different beast. > > There are so many ways to contribute to the Ubuntu community. I just one guy > also who does not program, is not a linux god, and does not have deep > pockets. There are many teams (like this marketing team) that need folks to > help out with their mission. Get involved in a LoCo team in your area. Just > helping people on the forums is great! That is the real beauty of the Ubuntu > Community, it is open to all...linux n00b (like me) all the way to the > programmers of the OS. > > Michael Ramm > > -- > Ubuntu AlabamaTeam LoCo > Forums @ http://alabama.ubuntuforums.org/ > Wiki @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam/ > > The 1-Man IT Department @ http://blog.1manit.net/ > Ubuntu User #1 | Linux User #451972 > > > On 3/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good god would you guys get a friggin clue! This site is not about ripping > > anyone off its about giving the everyday man a venue to sell his > > ubuntu/linux work either as a hobby or profession whatever... I wanted to > > flatter Ubuntu and give Ubuntu/Linux a community based venue where anyone > > can sell there Ubuntu/Linux based computer because they like setting them > > up and maybe they can make some extra cash doing it.. And help promote > > linux as a whole. > > > > All of you have been so tainted by Microsoft and big business that you > > think there is some evil plan behind everything THERE ISN'T I'm just > > a guy with a love for Ubuntu who had an idea to give everyone an auction > > style store to showcase there work and sell them if they wanted to > > > > With ebay killing you with fees I thought it would be nice for everyone to > > have a place dedicated to linux/Ubuntu computers to buy and sell at > without > > the fees... > > > > But apparently no one is allowed to be good hearted anymore and create > > something for others. Would it be nice if Buntfu could actually pay > > for itself one day sure. But its not the reason behind it. Maybe I > > had the wrong idea about the philosophy behind linux then again maybe the > > philosophy of linux is being jaded by big business in general,... who > > knows but thanks for making me feel like I did something for nothing... > > > > All I wanted to do was create something unique for everyone because its > > the only "big" way I can contribute I'm not a hard core programmer or a > > linux god or have big deep pockets... Just a guy trying to help I > > think there were two guys like that who started this whole thing anyway... > > > > Remember their names? If not you don't know linux > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Ronnie > > > > > > Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings > > Buntfu - PCs from Human Beings > > > > "Thats called flattery not theft" > > > > Buntfu is not a linux distro, its computers with Ubuntu/Linux on them from > > everyday people. hence "PCs from Human Beings" > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Introducing a community based PC vendor. (Mike Feravolo)
THAT sure is one way NOT to get business from a segment of the population. I will definitely not steer anyone to the Buntfu site for computer purchases. The defensive tone of your response to some warranted criticism is really an unacceptable business practice in my book. The Ubuntu is a tight knit community (I know that you know this). We are just worried about the image of Ubuntu because it is such a struggle to get people to even try non-Microsoft stuff in this day. Your proper response should have been to outline you philosophy and reasoning for offering what you do. Systems preloaded with linux are still pretty hard to come by, but are increasing. I think that your site had potential, but I will not find out any further because of the derogatory tone of your comments to this list. Also remember, flattery is one thing, trademark infringement is a totally different beast. There are so many ways to contribute to the Ubuntu community. I just one guy also who does not program, is not a linux god, and does not have deep pockets. There are many teams (like this marketing team) that need folks to help out with their mission. Get involved in a LoCo team in your area. Just helping people on the forums is great! That is the real beauty of the Ubuntu Community, it is open to all...linux n00b (like me) all the way to the programmers of the OS. Michael Ramm -- Ubuntu AlabamaTeam LoCo Forums @ http://alabama.ubuntuforums.org/ Wiki @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam/ The 1-Man IT Department @ http://blog.1manit.net/ Ubuntu User #1 | Linux User #451972 On 3/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good god would you guys get a friggin clue! This site is not about ripping > anyone off its about giving the everyday man a venue to sell his > ubuntu/linux work either as a hobby or profession whatever... I wanted to > flatter Ubuntu and give Ubuntu/Linux a community based venue where anyone > can sell there Ubuntu/Linux based computer because they like setting them > up and maybe they can make some extra cash doing it.. And help promote > linux as a whole. > > All of you have been so tainted by Microsoft and big business that you > think there is some evil plan behind everything THERE ISN'T I'm just > a guy with a love for Ubuntu who had an idea to give everyone an auction > style store to showcase there work and sell them if they wanted to > > With ebay killing you with fees I thought it would be nice for everyone to > have a place dedicated to linux/Ubuntu computers to buy and sell at > without > the fees... > > But apparently no one is allowed to be good hearted anymore and create > something for others. Would it be nice if Buntfu could actually pay > for itself one day sure. But its not the reason behind it. Maybe I > had the wrong idea about the philosophy behind linux then again maybe the > philosophy of linux is being jaded by big business in general,... who > knows but thanks for making me feel like I did something for nothing... > > All I wanted to do was create something unique for everyone because its > the only "big" way I can contribute I'm not a hard core programmer or a > linux god or have big deep pockets... Just a guy trying to help I > think there were two guys like that who started this whole thing anyway... > > Remember their names? If not you don't know linux > > > Sincerely, > Ronnie > > > Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings > Buntfu - PCs from Human Beings > > "Thats called flattery not theft" > > Buntfu is not a linux distro, its computers with Ubuntu/Linux on them from > everyday people. hence "PCs from Human Beings" > > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
