Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction,

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:22:20PM -0500, John Botscharow wrote:
  Have you considered or tried speech generation?
 
 I have used voice chat on other chat programs, but not in Linux. Not
 sure how to set it up and it would only work if everyone in the room
 used it :o) That's probably asking a bit much.

There exists software to turn the text that other people are sending
into speech. I'm not sure how well it'll keep up with IRC but might
help (and it is probably worth slowing meetings down so that it could
keep up if it can't).

http://live.gnome.org/Orca

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[ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread Tord Jansson
Hi there,

I'm new to this list since about 12 hours so let me just give a quick 
introduction and then cut straight to the chase.

My name is Tord Jansson, I'm 33 years old and live in a mid-sized 
Swedish town called Norrköping. CTO for a small software company by day, 
dedicated Ubuntu advocate by night (or mostly evenings, mornings and 
weekends to be precise).

Two months ago I started a personal crusade to market Ubuntu in my local 
town and build up a strong local user base. I acknowledge this will take 
time and persistence and I hope to see some tangible results 2-3 years 
down the line with a local and very active Ubuntu-club.

My first step was to create some adverts and posters to put on public 
noticeboards around town. So far I have made 5 different adverts/posters 
and of the first one I have now put up more than 200 copies in mostly 
building entrances. I expect to at least double that before the end of 
the summer. The rest of the posters are being saved for future activities.

The posters are currently in Swedish only, but I have put them all in a 
zip-archive reachable from this URL if you want to take a look:

http://www.savefile.com/files/1600643

They have all been made in Scribus and the source code for all except 
number five is reachable from this page:

http://www.savefile.com/projects/808633832

Sorry about the advertisement and crap you will have to step through...



Anyway, my reasons for posting this to your mailing-list are the following:

1. I believe these adverts can be useful to many more than myself once 
they have been translated to English. Decent marketing material for 
Ubuntu seems with a few exceptions to be hard to find.

2. I will need help to translate these to English. I can make a fully 
understandable translation myself but the text will need to be polished 
afterwards so it reaches the right professional marketing level. Any 
volunteers?

3. I need a good place to store these adverts and any future material I 
make. Preferably it should be a shared place where marketing material 
from various sources is gathered, scrutinized by a community, 
categorized and provided for easy download. I believe that is one of the 
goals with the Ubuntu-marketing team, so what are the plans and has work 
been started on a site like that? Is there any interim solution that is 
recommended?

4. I want feedback on my work (although this might be hard to give until 
I have translated the texts). Tell me whether you agree or disagree on 
the way I market Ubuntu. Is it too confrontational? too careful? too 
much text? too little information? focusing on the wrong things? I want 
my adverts to reflect the spirit of the Ubuntu community while at the 
same time being catchy and fun. Most of all they should just do the job 
of informing people of Ubuntu in a honest and interesting way. All 
feedback is welcome.

5. I'll be happy to discuss grass-root marketing tactics and pool 
resources with anyone doing the same in their local community. I 
understand a lot of that will happen here, right?


Anyway, keep up the good work everyone. Ubuntu is a great distribution 
and I'm personally convinced that it just needs some more public 
exposure and mindshare to really take off.

Regards,
Tord Jansson
Norrköping, Sweden



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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread Onno Benschop
On 10/06/08 14:29, Tord Jansson wrote:
 The posters are currently in Swedish only, but I have put them all in a 
 zip-archive reachable from this URL if you want to take a look:

 http://www.savefile.com/files/1600643

 They have all been made in Scribus and the source code for all except 
 number five is reachable from this page:

 http://www.savefile.com/projects/808633832

 Sorry about the advertisement and crap you will have to step through...

   
I'm in the process of downloading them and will put them on the wiki.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction,

2008-06-10 Thread John Botscharow
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:25:23 +0100
Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:22:20PM -0500, John Botscharow wrote:
   Have you considered or tried speech generation?
  
  I have used voice chat on other chat programs, but not in Linux. Not
  sure how to set it up and it would only work if everyone in the room
  used it :o) That's probably asking a bit much.
 
 There exists software to turn the text that other people are sending
 into speech. I'm not sure how well it'll keep up with IRC but might
 help (and it is probably worth slowing meetings down so that it could
 keep up if it can't).
 
 http://live.gnome.org/Orca
 
  Robert 
 
 
 Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com
 
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 Anything else is admitting defeat...
 
Robert, 

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread VidA
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Tord Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,

 I'm new to this list since about 12 hours so let me just give a quick

Welcome !!


 The posters are currently in Swedish only, but I have put them all in a

[snip]


 1. I believe these adverts can be useful to many more than myself once
 they have been translated to English.

I could help with proof-reading so let me know when the English
versions are ready.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Looking for geek/Linux themed comics

2008-06-10 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki

Ronnie Tucker pisze:
I was thinking about putting a page of comics in to Full Circle and was 
wondering if you folks know of any good geek/Linux themed comics?


Thinking of putting three, maybe four, different comics on one page.

Comics need to be Creative Commons licensed, and obviously I'll link 
from the PDF to the artists site.


Unless someone out there has good ideas for a comic. I can draw but my 
comedy writing skills aren't that great.


Thanks!



http://www.luvrgeeks.com/ - CC-BY-NC 3.0

http://osnews.com/comics - not CC but maybe you could ask author for 
relicensing.


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[ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread Tord Jansson
FYI, sent this directly to VidA by misstake.

/Tord

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From: Tord Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/6/10
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home
To: VidA [EMAIL PROTECTED]




2008/6/10 VidA [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Tord Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 I could help with proof-reading so let me know when the English
 versions are ready.


Great! I'll send them directly to you as soon as I have the rough
translations done and then we can present them together to this list once
they have been finalized.
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[ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread Tord Jansson
Made same misstake with this one...

/Tord

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Date: 2008/6/10
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home
To: Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED]



2008/6/10 Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 10/06/08 14:29, Tord Jansson wrote:
  The posters are currently in Swedish only, but I have put them all in a
  zip-archive reachable from this URL if you want to take a look:
 
 They look very nice and some are extremely funny, but before I can put
 them up, I need to have a one-on-one mapping between the source and the
 output PDF.


Thanks! Glad you liked them :)

They are all there and should be easy to map since names should be the same,
otherwise the source archives contains the PDFs as well so you can always
open to check.



 Where does this file fit in?

* ubuntu-8.04-antligen-har-anslagstavla.zip


That was my first advert and it references Ubuntu 8.04 as just having been
released. Since that is no longer the case I have modified the text a bit
and replaced it with ditt fria alternativ which is a more timeless
version.

I believe this will all clear up as soon as I have translated them to
English though... :)
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing material needs a home

2008-06-10 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
Hi Tord

Fantastisk arbeid!

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Tord Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi there,

 I'm new to this list since about 12 hours so let me just give a quick
 introduction and then cut straight to the chase.

 My name is Tord Jansson, I'm 33 years old and live in a mid-sized
 Swedish town called Norrköping. CTO for a small software company by day,
 dedicated Ubuntu advocate by night (or mostly evenings, mornings and
 weekends to be precise).

 Two months ago I started a personal crusade to market Ubuntu in my local
 town and build up a strong local user base. I acknowledge this will take
 time and persistence and I hope to see some tangible results 2-3 years
 down the line with a local and very active Ubuntu-club.

 My first step was to create some adverts and posters to put on public
 noticeboards around town. So far I have made 5 different adverts/posters
 and of the first one I have now put up more than 200 copies in mostly
 building entrances. I expect to at least double that before the end of
 the summer. The rest of the posters are being saved for future activities.

 The posters are currently in Swedish only, but I have put them all in a
 zip-archive reachable from this URL if you want to take a look:

 http://www.savefile.com/files/1600643

 They have all been made in Scribus and the source code for all except
 number five is reachable from this page:

 http://www.savefile.com/projects/808633832

 Sorry about the advertisement and crap you will have to step through...



 Anyway, my reasons for posting this to your mailing-list are the following:

 1. I believe these adverts can be useful to many more than myself once
 they have been translated to English. Decent marketing material for
 Ubuntu seems with a few exceptions to be hard to find.


There is a lot of decent marketing material for Ubuntu around but it is hard
to find and there is no single place where to find it. This Team is working
on fixing that!



 2. I will need help to translate these to English. I can make a fully
 understandable translation myself but the text will need to be polished
 afterwards so it reaches the right professional marketing level. Any
 volunteers?


I do not have the time to do this (and it seems some people is working on
that already), but I'm sending it to the Norwegian LoCo list so we can
translate it and use it in Norway.

Det er trøss alt lettere å oversette fra svensk til norsk ;-) Vi får se hva
som skjer...



 3. I need a good place to store these adverts and any future material I
 make. Preferably it should be a shared place where marketing material
 from various sources is gathered, scrutinized by a community,
 categorized and provided for easy download. I believe that is one of the
 goals with the Ubuntu-marketing team, so what are the plans and has work
 been started on a site like that? Is there any interim solution that is
 recommended?


This is where you hit the spot. We are working in a project called
SpreadUbuntu: See this for more information:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu

For the moment we can use the wiki to compile available material.


 4. I want feedback on my work (although this might be hard to give until
 I have translated the texts). Tell me whether you agree or disagree on
 the way I market Ubuntu. Is it too confrontational? too careful? too
 much text? too little information? focusing on the wrong things? I want
 my adverts to reflect the spirit of the Ubuntu community while at the
 same time being catchy and fun. Most of all they should just do the job
 of informing people of Ubuntu in a honest and interesting way. All
 feedback is welcome.


Som sagt, veldig bra og kreativt!



 5. I'll be happy to discuss grass-root marketing tactics and pool
 resources with anyone doing the same in their local community. I
 understand a lot of that will happen here, right?


It does already. What we lack is a propper guide to make it easy for others
to get started. If your feel like sharing your experiences, please do. We
could also work on that in our wiki; (if you should need help with that,
just send an e-mail and I will give you a hand getting started with the
wiki).




 Anyway, keep up the good work everyone. Ubuntu is a great distribution
 and I'm personally convinced that it just needs some more public
 exposure and mindshare to really take off.

+1



 Regards,
 Tord Jansson
 Norrköping, Sweden


Best regards,

Rubén - Hubuntu
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[ubuntu-marketing] SpreadUbuntu

2008-06-10 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
Hi there,

Imagine this:

* A site you can go to where your flyers are already done and translated and
all you need is to download it, add your LoCo contact info and print them.
* A counter of Ubuntu downloads for all users to see and feel the pride!
* A simple way of uploading the posters you just made (aren't they great?)
and want to share with the rest of us
* An easy way to find other people from where you live using or working with
Ubuntu and exchange ideas, cooperate on projects or just take a cofee break
with
* A site to find those beatiful Ubuntu buttons and banners for your site
* A one-site-stop for new (and old ;) users who want to share the Ubuntu
love with others
* Get access to every single Ubuntu related site and resource in a
graciously organized way (Fridge, UWN, FullCircle)
* A lot more...

SpreadUbuntu is just a good idea! (tm)

So...

 I have drafted a few (very few) thoughts about what we need for SU to get
started and going. We should do a lot of thinking before acting here, but
let's not stop acting for that.

I set up a page on the wiki to analyze what is needed:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu

Keep in mind that it is just a draft and it needs *lots* of working. But if
you have ideas on how we can get that projects up, a framework for making it
successful, ideas of what should be there, experience with compilating
material or anything you believe is related please feel free to add your
comments on this thread, the wiki or join our IRC and we'll consider them
and make them part of our plan!

The old site (with many of the same good ideas) is here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu

Give us a hand building the future of the Ubuntu Marketing experience for
the whole Ubuntu community!

Best regards,

Rubén - Hubuntu
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] SpreadUbuntu

2008-06-10 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
The link is under the main project page.

The site is not up yet AFAIK the link shows ubuntu.com

R

On 6/10/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very cool!!! A link or something annoouncing this on the wiki, perhaps???

 BTW, I looked at the site yesterday and I'm pretty sure it's drupal, so
 if we can get admin access to it, I can do some pretty neat stuff with
 it, inclusing a wiki, blogs. and RSS feeds.

 Rubén Hubuntu wrote:
 Hi there,

 Imagine this:

 * A site you can go to where your flyers are already done and
 translated and all you need is to download it, add your LoCo contact
 info and print them.
 * A counter of Ubuntu downloads for all users to see and feel the pride!
 * A simple way of uploading the posters you just made (aren't they
 great?) and want to share with the rest of us
 * An easy way to find other people from where you live using or
 working with Ubuntu and exchange ideas, cooperate on projects or just
 take a cofee break with
 * A site to find those beatiful Ubuntu buttons and banners for your site
 * A one-site-stop for new (and old ;) users who want to share the
 Ubuntu love with others
 * Get access to every single Ubuntu related site and resource in a
 graciously organized way (Fridge, UWN, FullCircle)
 * A lot more...

 SpreadUbuntu is just a good idea! (tm)

 So...

  I have drafted a few (very few) thoughts about what we need for SU to
 get started and going. We should do a lot of thinking before acting
 here, but let's not stop acting for that.

 I set up a page on the wiki to analyze what is needed:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu

 Keep in mind that it is just a draft and it needs *lots* of working.
 But if you have ideas on how we can get that projects up, a framework
 for making it successful, ideas of what should be there, experience
 with compilating material or anything you believe is related please
 feel free to add your comments on this thread, the wiki or join our
 IRC and we'll consider them and make them part of our plan!

 The old site (with many of the same good ideas) is here:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu

 Give us a hand building the future of the Ubuntu Marketing experience
 for the whole Ubuntu community!

 Best regards,

 Rubén - Hubuntu
 https://launchpad.net/~huayra https://launchpad.net/%7Ehuayra



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[ubuntu-marketing] FOSS Cell phones as marketing opportunity

2008-06-10 Thread John Botscharow
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Making Jobs' bet even more dangerous is the fact that we're about to
see a whole raft of devices coming out that could give the iPhone 3G
real competition. Google's open-source operating system for mobile
phones, Android, is just about ready to be shown off in many handsets,
from makers such as HTC, Motorola, Samsung and LG Electronics. You can
bet that many of those phones will be way cheaper than $199. 

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1813117,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

OpenSource cell phones - the marketing implications of this is AWESOME!
Even if Ubuntu is not involved in the software for these phones, every
one who gets a FOSS cell phone is a PRIME prospect for a FOSS desktop.
Maybe there is some way we can get a list of people who buy these cell
phones and send them a mail survey about how they like the FOSS on
their phone Every positive response could be sent an Ubuntu disk with
a printed, easy-to-read installation guide and then get a follow-up
call from the nearest LoCo offering installation assistance

The Borg [Microsoft] has a major chink in its armor! And we
need to be prepared to exploit it.

A marketing team project I think it's worth doing and am willing to
take it on
 
Peace!

John
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] FOSS Cell phones as marketing opportunity

2008-06-10 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

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 Making Jobs' bet even more dangerous is the fact that we're about to
 see a whole raft of devices coming out that could give the iPhone 3G
 real competition. Google's open-source operating system for mobile
 phones, Android, is just about ready to be shown off in many handsets,
 from makers such as HTC, Motorola, Samsung and LG Electronics. You can
 bet that many of those phones will be way cheaper than $199. 


 http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1813117,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

 OpenSource cell phones - the marketing implications of this is AWESOME!
 Even if Ubuntu is not involved in the software for these phones, every
 one who gets a FOSS cell phone is a PRIME prospect for a FOSS desktop.
 Maybe there is some way we can get a list of people who buy these cell
 phones and send them a mail survey about how they like the FOSS on
 their phone Every positive response could be sent an Ubuntu disk with
 a printed, easy-to-read installation guide and then get a follow-up
 call from the nearest LoCo offering installation assistance

 The Borg [Microsoft] has a major chink in its armor! And we
 need to be prepared to exploit it.

 A marketing team project I think it's worth doing and am willing to
 take it on


This project is not feasible for several reasons. The primary one being that
we'd never be able to get a list of people who buy these products since it
would violate privacy laws in most countries.

Second, who will cover the cost of paper, envelopes, printing, and man
power?

Third... why is someone who buys a cellphone that runs free, open source
software more of a prime candidate than someone who does not? Chances are
they bought the cellphone because it was cheaper not because of
philosophical reasons... and if they did do so for the latter than they
probably already know about Ubuntu and how to get it.

So, by all means you're welcome to attempt this but it certainly isn't a
candidate for being a marketing team project considering we have a hard
enough time organizing efforts for much more tangible goals.

I also have to admit that I find it annoying and disappointing to see such
outlandish ideas being proposed by someone who I thought might breath new
life into a dying team.

Cheers,



 Peace!

 John
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] FOSS Cell phones as marketing opportunity

2008-06-10 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Hal Wilke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It may be far fetched to think that you can get contact info for people who
 buy these FOSS phones, but it is not outlandish to think that the people who
 by them are not going to be perspective adopters of other open source
 softwares.  Maybe the majority of the people won't understand what they are
 using, and it may not impact any decisions they make int he future, but some
 users will notice.  They will see how the open source community works, and
 the advantages of the open source development model.  Maybe this will lead
 them to other open source products (projects), maybe not.


This is true because, Hal, *everyone* is a potential adopter of FOSS.




 How we use this to market to them...I'm not sure.


I don't think it needs to be a strategy - it'll just happen.




 -hal


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Making Jobs' bet even more dangerous is the fact that we're about to
 see a whole raft of devices coming out that could give the iPhone 3G
 real competition. Google's open-source operating system for mobile
 phones, Android, is just about ready to be shown off in many handsets,
 from makers such as HTC, Motorola, Samsung and LG Electronics. You can
 bet that many of those phones will be way cheaper than $199. 


 http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1813117,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

 OpenSource cell phones - the marketing implications of this is AWESOME!
 Even if Ubuntu is not involved in the software for these phones, every
 one who gets a FOSS cell phone is a PRIME prospect for a FOSS desktop.
 Maybe there is some way we can get a list of people who buy these cell
 phones and send them a mail survey about how they like the FOSS on
 their phone Every positive response could be sent an Ubuntu disk with
 a printed, easy-to-read installation guide and then get a follow-up
 call from the nearest LoCo offering installation assistance

 The Borg [Microsoft] has a major chink in its armor! And we
 need to be prepared to exploit it.

 A marketing team project I think it's worth doing and am willing to
 take it on


 This project is not feasible for several reasons. The primary one being
 that we'd never be able to get a list of people who buy these products since
 it would violate privacy laws in most countries.

 Second, who will cover the cost of paper, envelopes, printing, and man
 power?

 Third... why is someone who buys a cellphone that runs free, open source
 software more of a prime candidate than someone who does not? Chances are
 they bought the cellphone because it was cheaper not because of
 philosophical reasons... and if they did do so for the latter than they
 probably already know about Ubuntu and how to get it.

 So, by all means you're welcome to attempt this but it certainly isn't a
 candidate for being a marketing team project considering we have a hard
 enough time organizing efforts for much more tangible goals.

 I also have to admit that I find it annoying and disappointing to see such
 outlandish ideas being proposed by someone who I thought might breath new
 life into a dying team.

 Cheers,



 Peace!

 John
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] FOSS Cell phones as marketing opportunity

2008-06-10 Thread John Botscharow
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:39:13 -0500
Hal Wilke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It may be far fetched to think that you can get contact info for
 people who buy these FOSS phones, but it is not outlandish to think
 that the people who by them are not going to be perspective adopters
 of other open source softwares.  Maybe the majority of the people
 won't understand what they are using, and it may not impact any
 decisions they make int he future, but some users will notice.  They
 will see how the open source community works, and the advantages of
 the open source development model.  Maybe this will lead them to
 other open source products (projects), maybe not.
 
 How we use this to market to them...I'm not sure.
 
Nice to see someone else who sees the potential of this. +1 for
thinking outside the box! If my reply to Cody does not answer your
question, Hal, let me know and I'll post a better answer.
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