Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Hello all, Following up once more on my message about the mounting of USB sticks, SD cards via the internal card reader etc. I have found the problem. For some reason fstab had a line: /dev/sdb /media/crom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 00 This meant anything I inserted and got recognized as /dev/sdb was being mounted as a cdrom which ofcourse was not working. Removing that line solves the problem. I do not know why that line is included in the fstab by default. I did *not* ever use a CDROM on this device. It must be a distro image bug. Turgut -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
I have the same issue, I can mount them using CLI or GParted where they mount by default as a CDROM but they do not auto mount. Ryan. Turgut Durduran wrote: I am following up once more on my own message. Regarding the mounting of USB sticks, I just realized that I *could* mount them from the command line as root but they do *not* generally get automounted. Automount returns the error I have mentioned. Turgut --- http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran - Original Message From: Turgut Durduran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 10:56:12 AM Subject: Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. Hi Oliver, Thanks for your response and suggestions. My comments are interdispersed below. Am Montag, den 06.10.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Turgut Durduran: Continuing on the same thread the four-directional arrows (surrounding the enter key) on Samsung Q1Ultra appear to be disfunctional. Pressing right button brings up menus, left button prints "~" on my terminal window, up button brings up help screens (just ended up with 50 or so of them trying to scroll up/down) etc. use the joystick on the left for terminal input (switching to joystick mode) the four directions are assigned to the cursor keys. Hmm. I get the same behavior in both modes. Is there any debugging output I can send you? I also tried manually typing suspend/hibernate commands: pm-suspend ---> does nothing pm-suspend-hybrid disconnects network but that is about it. pm-hibernate --> ditto. disconnects network. try: sudo apt-get remove uswwsusp uswsusp was pulled in through an erroneous merge from debian, we will likely remove it completely from the ubuntu archive before final release, currently the workaround is to just uninstall the package, so teh in-kernel suspend methods can be used again. There is progress now; 1- from menus, it hibernated but did not wake up. I end up with a black screen with a cursor blinking. only think I can see is this error that appears for a while: [478.478177 btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f4c20d00 failed to resubmit (2)" I tried it tried 3 times with same results. 2- from terminal "sudo pm-hibernate" works little better but appears to be unstable. It worked 2/5 tries. I wonder if (1) failed because of unstability too? 3- from terminal "sudo pm-suspend" works fine. Is there a reason there is no suspend button in GNOME menus? (could any of this be due to an error during boot-up related to some BIOS-bug? I can not type the number it disappears too fast) I do not have a keyboard I can use to test the logs more carefully right now. I also could not mount my USB stick. Quick look at logs suggest that it thought that it was a CD-ROM ??. was that on a installed system ? it might be that in teh live image USB keys are considered CDroms for installaer purposes. it is an installed system. I just tried a few different USB sticks and the internal card reader. all behave the same. This is what shows up in the logs with the internal card reader (similar things with USB sticks too) Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.340209] usb 5-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.531623] usb 5-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.563176] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 7 10:32:48 gonedra kernel: [ 871.565895] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access MultiFlash Reader 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.072328] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.074078] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.085954] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.089703] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.096643] sdb: Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.099492] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.102742] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.739429] UDF-fs: No VRS found Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.853061] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
I am following up once more on my own message. Regarding the mounting of USB sticks, I just realized that I *could* mount them from the command line as root but they do *not* generally get automounted. Automount returns the error I have mentioned. Turgut --- http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran - Original Message > From: Turgut Durduran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 10:56:12 AM > Subject: Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. > > > > Hi Oliver, > > Thanks for your response and suggestions. My comments are interdispersed > below. > > > > Am Montag, den 06.10.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Turgut Durduran: > > > Continuing on the same thread the four-directional arrows (surrounding > > > the > > enter key) on Samsung Q1Ultra appear to be disfunctional. Pressing right > button > > brings up menus, left button prints "~" on my terminal window, up button > brings > > up help screens (just ended up with 50 or so of them trying to scroll > > up/down) > > > etc. > > > > > use the joystick on the left for terminal input (switching to joystick > > mode) the four directions are assigned to the cursor keys. > > Hmm. I get the same behavior in both modes. Is there any debugging output I > can > send you? > > > > > > > > I also tried manually typing suspend/hibernate commands: > > > pm-suspend ---> does nothing > > > pm-suspend-hybrid disconnects network but that is about it. > > > pm-hibernate --> ditto. disconnects network. > > try: > > sudo apt-get remove uswwsusp > > uswsusp was pulled in through an erroneous merge from debian, we will > > likely remove it completely from the ubuntu archive before final > > release, currently the workaround is to just uninstall the package, so > > teh in-kernel suspend methods can be used again. > > There is progress now; > > 1- from menus, it hibernated but did not wake up. I end up with a black > screen > with a cursor blinking. > only think I can see is this error that appears for a while: > [478.478177 btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f4c20d00 failed to resubmit (2)" > I tried it tried 3 times with same results. > 2- from terminal "sudo pm-hibernate" works little better but appears to be > unstable. It worked 2/5 tries. I wonder if (1) failed because of unstability > too? > 3- from terminal "sudo pm-suspend" works fine. Is there a reason there is no > suspend button in GNOME menus? > > (could any of this be due to an error during boot-up related to some > BIOS-bug? I > can not type the number it disappears too fast) > > > > > > > I do not have a keyboard I can use to test the logs more carefully right > now. > > > > > > I also could not mount my USB stick. Quick look at logs suggest that it > > thought that it was a CD-ROM ??. > > was that on a installed system ? it might be that in teh live image USB > > keys > are > > considered CDroms for installaer purposes. > > it is an installed system. I just tried a few different USB sticks and the > internal card reader. all behave the same. This is what shows up in the logs > with the internal card reader (similar things with USB sticks too) > > Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.340209] usb 5-4: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 > Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.531623] usb 5-4: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.563176] scsi3 : SCSI emulation > for USB Mass Storage devices > Oct 7 10:32:48 gonedra kernel: [ 871.565895] scsi 3:0:0:0: > Direct-Access MultiFlash Reader 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.072328] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] > 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.074078] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write > Protect is off > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.085954] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] > 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.089703] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write > Protect is off > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.096643] sdb: > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.099492] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] > Attached SCSI removable disk > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.102742] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached > scsi generic sg1 type 0 > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.739429] UDF-fs: No VRS found > Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.853061] ISOFS: Unable to > identify CD-ROM format. > > -- > Ubuntu-mobile mailing list > Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Hi Oliver, Thanks for your response and suggestions. My comments are interdispersed below. > Am Montag, den 06.10.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Turgut Durduran: > > Continuing on the same thread the four-directional arrows (surrounding the > enter key) on Samsung Q1Ultra appear to be disfunctional. Pressing right > button > brings up menus, left button prints "~" on my terminal window, up button > brings > up help screens (just ended up with 50 or so of them trying to scroll > up/down) > etc. > > > use the joystick on the left for terminal input (switching to joystick > mode) the four directions are assigned to the cursor keys. Hmm. I get the same behavior in both modes. Is there any debugging output I can send you? > > > I also tried manually typing suspend/hibernate commands: > > pm-suspend ---> does nothing > > pm-suspend-hybrid disconnects network but that is about it. > > pm-hibernate --> ditto. disconnects network. > try: > sudo apt-get remove uswwsusp > uswsusp was pulled in through an erroneous merge from debian, we will > likely remove it completely from the ubuntu archive before final > release, currently the workaround is to just uninstall the package, so > teh in-kernel suspend methods can be used again. There is progress now; 1- from menus, it hibernated but did not wake up. I end up with a black screen with a cursor blinking. only think I can see is this error that appears for a while: [478.478177 btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f4c20d00 failed to resubmit (2)" I tried it tried 3 times with same results. 2- from terminal "sudo pm-hibernate" works little better but appears to be unstable. It worked 2/5 tries. I wonder if (1) failed because of unstability too? 3- from terminal "sudo pm-suspend" works fine. Is there a reason there is no suspend button in GNOME menus? (could any of this be due to an error during boot-up related to some BIOS-bug? I can not type the number it disappears too fast) > > > > I do not have a keyboard I can use to test the logs more carefully right > > now. > > > > I also could not mount my USB stick. Quick look at logs suggest that it > thought that it was a CD-ROM ??. > was that on a installed system ? it might be that in teh live image USB keys > are > considered CDroms for installaer purposes. it is an installed system. I just tried a few different USB sticks and the internal card reader. all behave the same. This is what shows up in the logs with the internal card reader (similar things with USB sticks too) Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.340209] usb 5-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.531623] usb 5-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Oct 7 10:32:43 gonedra kernel: [ 866.563176] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 7 10:32:48 gonedra kernel: [ 871.565895] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access MultiFlash Reader 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.072328] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.074078] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.085954] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.089703] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.096643] sdb: Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.099492] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.102742] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.739429] UDF-fs: No VRS found Oct 7 10:32:49 gonedra kernel: [ 872.853061] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
hi, Am Montag, den 06.10.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Turgut Durduran: > Continuing on the same thread the four-directional arrows (surrounding the > enter key) on Samsung Q1Ultra appear to be disfunctional. Pressing right > button brings up menus, left button prints "~" on my terminal window, up > button brings up help screens (just ended up with 50 or so of them trying to > scroll up/down) etc. > use the joystick on the left for terminal input (switching to joystick mode) the four directions are assigned to the cursor keys. > I also tried manually typing suspend/hibernate commands: > pm-suspend ---> does nothing > pm-suspend-hybrid disconnects network but that is about it. > pm-hibernate --> ditto. disconnects network. try: sudo apt-get remove uswwsusp uswsusp was pulled in through an erroneous merge from debian, we will likely remove it completely from the ubuntu archive before final release, currently the workaround is to just uninstall the package, so teh in-kernel suspend methods can be used again. > > I do not have a keyboard I can use to test the logs more carefully right now. > > I also could not mount my USB stick. Quick look at logs suggest that it > thought that it was a CD-ROM ??. was that on a installed system ? it might be that in teh live image USB keys are considered CDroms for installaer purposes. > > This is all for now. I hope this scattered way of providing feedback is not > bothersome. perfect, every feedback is appreciated, thats the main purpose of the intrepid image of ubuntu-mobile, we want to have teh best image we can do in jaunty, so each info counts in intrepid ;) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Continuing on the same thread the four-directional arrows (surrounding the enter key) on Samsung Q1Ultra appear to be disfunctional. Pressing right button brings up menus, left button prints "~" on my terminal window, up button brings up help screens (just ended up with 50 or so of them trying to scroll up/down) etc. I also tried manually typing suspend/hibernate commands: pm-suspend ---> does nothing pm-suspend-hybrid disconnects network but that is about it. pm-hibernate --> ditto. disconnects network. I do not have a keyboard I can use to test the logs more carefully right now. I also could not mount my USB stick. Quick look at logs suggest that it thought that it was a CD-ROM ??. This is all for now. I hope this scattered way of providing feedback is not bothersome. I need to solve the suspend and USB stick ones ASAP so I can start using it once more. I should have tried out with the live boot. Turgut --- http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
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Apologies, I did not cc this to the list. --- http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran - Forwarded Message > From: Turgut Durduran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 5:45:52 PM > Subject: Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. > > Hi Oliver, > > Fantastic job with Ubuntu-Mobile. I have just tested it from a live USB and > decided to install it. Everything seems to go smoothly, except, I am > disappointed that I still can not suspend and/or hibernate. That was the main > gripe I had with the previous image I tried from hard heron's initial release. > > Any suggestions? > > A minor thing (since I do not really have any use for it) is that > webcam/camera > does not seem to work either. > > > > I will provide more detailed feedback later on and will think about the > "science" package we mention below. > > Turgut > > > > - Original Message > > From: Oliver Grawert > > To: ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:46:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. > > > > hi, > > On Do, 2008-09-25 at 01:11 -0700, Turgut Durduran wrote: > > > 1 - Can I upgrade from existing installation? If so, is it a > > > "dist-upgrade" > > like regular ubuntu? Is it going to create troubles? (I have some amount of > > customization but not too much). > > the ubuntu-mobile flavour as a metapackage didnt exist before, you can > > indeed upgrade to 9.04 (or the final 8.10) if you have installed from > > the image (which seems to have installer issues atm, i will resolve > > these before release in october)... if you have a stardard ubuntu > > desktop installation it should be possible to just install the > > ubuntu-mobile package on top which should get you all applications and > > the setup for ubuntu mobile. > > > > > > 2 - Which of the two would work "better" on Samsung Q1? I donot care too > much > > about video, webcam etc. I mostly want to use this as a note-taking (both > > via > an > > external keyboard and via the touch screen -- using xournal), internet > > (mainly > > > to check e-mail on the go and some web-sites), storage, pdf-viewer, > > projection/presentation. > > > > > it really depends on your taste and the set of apps you expect to get, > > ubuntu-mobile has the advantage of not needing any modifications, apps > > will directly register into your menu etc, the old 8.04 hildonized > > desktop had issues with xdg compatibility (solved in the intrepid > > version) for example ... > > > Also, are there people here interested in customizing this for > > > "scientific" > > use? (include some touchscreen calculators, plotting utilities, xournal, > perhaps > > some voice recording, presentation software etc) > > sure, for now ubuntu-mobile is thought as a first shot thing to generate > > as much feedback as possible and gain us hardware info and info about > > apps that need love, it might change a lot in jaunty (9.04) and we can > > easily create a ubuntu-mobile-science addon package that pulls in the > > selected apps ... (btw xournal is included by default already) > > > > ciao > > oli -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
hi, On Do, 2008-09-25 at 01:11 -0700, Turgut Durduran wrote: > 1 - Can I upgrade from existing installation? If so, is it a "dist-upgrade" > like regular ubuntu? Is it going to create troubles? (I have some amount of > customization but not too much). the ubuntu-mobile flavour as a metapackage didnt exist before, you can indeed upgrade to 9.04 (or the final 8.10) if you have installed from the image (which seems to have installer issues atm, i will resolve these before release in october)... if you have a stardard ubuntu desktop installation it should be possible to just install the ubuntu-mobile package on top which should get you all applications and the setup for ubuntu mobile. > > 2 - Which of the two would work "better" on Samsung Q1? I donot care too much > about video, webcam etc. I mostly want to use this as a note-taking (both via > an external keyboard and via the touch screen -- using xournal), internet > (mainly to check e-mail on the go and some web-sites), storage, pdf-viewer, > projection/presentation. > it really depends on your taste and the set of apps you expect to get, ubuntu-mobile has the advantage of not needing any modifications, apps will directly register into your menu etc, the old 8.04 hildonized desktop had issues with xdg compatibility (solved in the intrepid version) for example ... > Also, are there people here interested in customizing this for "scientific" > use? (include some touchscreen calculators, plotting utilities, xournal, > perhaps some voice recording, presentation software etc) sure, for now ubuntu-mobile is thought as a first shot thing to generate as much feedback as possible and gain us hardware info and info about apps that need love, it might change a lot in jaunty (9.04) and we can easily create a ubuntu-mobile-science addon package that pulls in the selected apps ... (btw xournal is included by default already) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Hi, > The new naming makes sense: > Ubuntu Mobile for UMPC's and netbooks. (Ubuntu+Gnome) This will use standard gnome applications I believe with the focus on pushing specific requirements or changes needed for UMPC/netbooks upstream so that they become a part of main gnome itself > Ubuntu MID for MIDs (Moblin+Hildon) Well, Hildon is also gnome but part of gnome mobile. Using it means making some changes in your application (such as changing "GtkWindow" to "HildonWindow" and so on) so Ubuntu MID will keep compatibility more with Gnome Mobile Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
I beg to differ. I think that the whole wiki site is totally confusing on top of still having references to the Remix edition. Your planned categories of products and their target markets/devices should be at the top wiki view. Best, Tal From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Paine Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:47 PM To: Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. Having read the Wiki now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/History the details are clear. I guess anyone joining the community know isn't going to have a problem. It was just that I always had the Moblin builds as 'Ubuntu Mobile' in my head. Which is, in fact, more confusing that the terminology that has been chosen now. The new naming makes sense: Ubuntu Mobile for UMPC's and netbooks. (Ubuntu+Gnome) Ubuntu MID for MIDs (Moblin+Hildon) All created by the Ubuntu Mobile team. It appears then that netbook remix is no more. Correct? It was interesting to read that Ubuntu Mobile might include support for Silverthorne/Poulsbo-based devices, which include MIDs. I think its a great idea. The only Poulsbo-based device i have myself is the Kohjinsha SC3 which is a 7" device running Vista and it badly needs Ubuntu Mobile! Steve On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Beno, Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: I totally agree with Steve's renaming suggestion. It makes a lot of sense to target this to the UMPC and Netbook markets. Also most Netbooks are going up to 10" so why stop at 9"? I think that your naming policy ATM is very confusing. How is the Ubuntu Netbook Remix related to this 7-9" device edition? From my perspective this is the true Ubuntu Netbook Edition. You should probably rename the Netbook Remix to something else or consolidate. Best, Tal From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Steve Paine Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:36 AM To: Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. Firstly, well done! For a 'first try' as Oliver put it in his blog, its excelent on the Q1 Ultra. Far better than stuff i've tested before and in the case of the Q1 Ultra, a useable system. Its aso showing promise for Atom based netbooks and even SIlverthorne/Poulsbo-based MIDs. I tested/demoed it to about 60 people on UMPCPortal/live this evening and we were all pretty impressed. Some early feedback here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/ Will be doing more testing as are some of the readers and members at UMPCPortal. One thing I want to mention though - MIDs, in the eyes of most people that have been following the segment, are only 4-6" devices. When you say 7-9" MIDs its very confusing as you're really talking about UMPCs and Netbooks. Can I suggest a rename to Ubuntu Mobile Touch or Ubuntu Ultra Mobile or Ubuntu UMPC build. Or something similar that doesn't make it sound like a new version of the existing Ubuntu Mobile for 4-6" MIDs. Steve. -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine Promoting mobile computing devices to over 220,000 people per month through UMPCPortal.com -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Having read the Wiki now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/History the details are clear. I guess anyone joining the community know isn't going to have a problem. It was just that I always had the Moblin builds as 'Ubuntu Mobile' in my head. Which is, in fact, more confusing that the terminology that has been chosen now. The new naming makes sense: *Ubuntu Mobile* for UMPC's and netbooks. (Ubuntu+Gnome) *Ubuntu MID* for MIDs (Moblin+Hildon) All created by the Ubuntu Mobile team. It appears then that netbook remix is no more. Correct? It was interesting to read that Ubuntu Mobile might include support for Silverthorne/Poulsbo-based devices, which include MIDs. I think its a great idea. The only Poulsbo-based device i have myself is the Kohjinsha SC3 which is a 7" device running Vista and it badly needs Ubuntu Mobile! Steve On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Beno, Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I totally agree with Steve's renaming suggestion. It makes a lot of sense > to target this to the UMPC and Netbook markets. Also most Netbooks are going > up to 10" so why stop at 9"? > > I think that your naming policy ATM is very confusing. How is the Ubuntu > Netbook Remix related to this 7-9" device edition? From my perspective this > is the true Ubuntu Netbook Edition. You should probably rename the Netbook > Remix to something else or consolidate. > > > > Best, > > Tal > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steve Paine > *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:36 AM > *To:* Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com > *Subject:* Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. > > > > Firstly, well done! For a 'first try' as Oliver put it in his blog, its > excelent on the Q1 Ultra. Far better than stuff i've tested before and in > the case of the Q1 Ultra, a useable system. > Its aso showing promise for Atom based netbooks and even > SIlverthorne/Poulsbo-based MIDs. > I tested/demoed it to about 60 people on UMPCPortal/live this evening and > we were all pretty impressed. > Some early feedback here: > > http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/ > > Will be doing more testing as are some of the readers and members at > UMPCPortal. > > One thing I want to mention though - MIDs, in the eyes of most people that > have been following the segment, are only 4-6" devices. > When you say 7-9" MIDs its very confusing as you're really talking about > UMPCs and Netbooks. > Can I suggest a rename to > Ubuntu Mobile Touch or Ubuntu Ultra Mobile or Ubuntu UMPC build. Or > something similar that doesn't make it sound like a new version of the > existing Ubuntu Mobile for 4-6" MIDs. > > Steve. > > -- > Steve 'Chippy' Paine > > -- > Ubuntu-mobile mailing list > Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile > > -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine Promoting mobile computing devices to over 220,000 people per month through UMPCPortal.com -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
I totally agree with Steve's renaming suggestion. It makes a lot of sense to target this to the UMPC and Netbook markets. Also most Netbooks are going up to 10" so why stop at 9"? I think that your naming policy ATM is very confusing. How is the Ubuntu Netbook Remix related to this 7-9" device edition? From my perspective this is the true Ubuntu Netbook Edition. You should probably rename the Netbook Remix to something else or consolidate. Best, Tal From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Paine Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:36 AM To: Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition. Firstly, well done! For a 'first try' as Oliver put it in his blog, its excelent on the Q1 Ultra. Far better than stuff i've tested before and in the case of the Q1 Ultra, a useable system. Its aso showing promise for Atom based netbooks and even SIlverthorne/Poulsbo-based MIDs. I tested/demoed it to about 60 people on UMPCPortal/live this evening and we were all pretty impressed. Some early feedback here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/ Will be doing more testing as are some of the readers and members at UMPCPortal. One thing I want to mention though - MIDs, in the eyes of most people that have been following the segment, are only 4-6" devices. When you say 7-9" MIDs its very confusing as you're really talking about UMPCs and Netbooks. Can I suggest a rename to Ubuntu Mobile Touch or Ubuntu Ultra Mobile or Ubuntu UMPC build. Or something similar that doesn't make it sound like a new version of the existing Ubuntu Mobile for 4-6" MIDs. Steve. -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
> > I also found this somewhat confusing but i read the new wiki page at > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/History > > which has cleared things up Just to clarify things further. I am a Samsung Q1 ultra user and I have been using Ubuntu-Mobile since the initial release with reasonable success and a whole lot of complaints -- worst being the inability to "suspend" and "hibernate". I am not really a developer, although, I hope to be useful as a tester and provide bug-reports and feedback. I guess it is time to try one of the new images. So, now there are two editions out there: ubuntu-MID ubuntu-mobile Both appear suitable for Samsung Q1. One is GNOME based which I kind of like because of familiarity but I was getting used to Hildon too. My questions are then: 1 - Can I upgrade from existing installation? If so, is it a "dist-upgrade" like regular ubuntu? Is it going to create troubles? (I have some amount of customization but not too much). 2 - Which of the two would work "better" on Samsung Q1? I donot care too much about video, webcam etc. I mostly want to use this as a note-taking (both via an external keyboard and via the touch screen -- using xournal), internet (mainly to check e-mail on the go and some web-sites), storage, pdf-viewer, projection/presentation. Also, are there people here interested in customizing this for "scientific" use? (include some touchscreen calculators, plotting utilities, xournal, perhaps some voice recording, presentation software etc) Thanks, Turgut -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Hi > One thing I want to mention though - MIDs, in the eyes of most people that > have been following the segment, are only 4-6" devices. > When you say 7-9" MIDs its very confusing as you're really talking about > UMPCs and Netbooks. > Can I suggest a rename to > Ubuntu Mobile Touch or Ubuntu Ultra Mobile or Ubuntu UMPC build. Or > something similar that doesn't make it sound like a new version of the > existing Ubuntu Mobile for 4-6" MIDs. I also found this somewhat confusing but i read the new wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/History which has cleared things up Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Feedback on Ubuntu Mobile - 7-9" device edition.
Firstly, well done! For a 'first try' as Oliver put it in his blog, its excelent on the Q1 Ultra. Far better than stuff i've tested before and in the case of the Q1 Ultra, a useable system. Its aso showing promise for Atom based netbooks and even SIlverthorne/Poulsbo-based MIDs. I tested/demoed it to about 60 people on UMPCPortal/live this evening and we were all pretty impressed. Some early feedback here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/ Will be doing more testing as are some of the readers and members at UMPCPortal. One thing I want to mention though - MIDs, in the eyes of most people that have been following the segment, are only 4-6" devices. When you say 7-9" MIDs its very confusing as you're really talking about UMPCs and Netbooks. Can I suggest a rename to Ubuntu Mobile Touch or Ubuntu Ultra Mobile or Ubuntu UMPC build. Or something similar that doesn't make it sound like a new version of the existing Ubuntu Mobile for 4-6" MIDs. Steve. -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
