RE: mockups
Hey Ken, Been on vacation for 2wks and just catching up. Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Friday 20 July 2007 16:28:18 Bill Filler wrote: Ken, The screens look good. See my comments below: On Jul 20, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Friday 20 July 2007 08:52:32 you wrote: snip Thanks for the pictures :) Glas you like them :-) A few questions: * Is Settings part so important that has to be always available? Is it about device settings or application settings? I think for the short term it is a stretch to try and modify all applications to consistently export their app-specific settings to a separate place. But I think the system-wide settings are good. For example, the browser should use the system network settings and not have its own configuration. Bob This is one of the major questions. Should we have a global settings app in which all settings are stored for all apps or should we have some settings tool available per app. Apple does it mainly with the global settings iirc and it gets kinda annoying. The Pepper Pad seemed to do it better with the important per-app settings available in the app itself. On the Pepper Pad there are global settings which apply to the overall system (i.e. wifi, date/time, power mgmt, etc..) and then app specific settings. The way you have the UI designed with the Settings button always visible, perhaps when you are viewing the Home/ Applications screen the Settings would take you to the system wide settings page and when you are in an application, the Settings would take you to the app specific settings page. Exactly. I wasn't sure how to visually differintiate between the system wide settings and the per app settings nor if it is necessary. * How one switches between an active application and applications view? * How one swtiches between applications? Another great idea which I realized in advance would be popular :p Note also that there are no close or minimize buttons on the open apps. The idea behind is this: The home button always has a way to get to the apps page where one can pick an app, start it, restart/rechoose it. Note that in this version there are also no menus. Everything you see shows up fullscreen, although some things in the status bar will be an almost fullscreen overlay (which one could argue is just an associated pop-up and therefor really a menu). Using a task switcher menu turns out to be just as many steps, and more confusing that keeping things flat and simple. Again, this is an idea and I'm not really sure if it is possible to realize such functionality. Seems like this model could work, but would add a few steps for some operations. If I understand correctly, if I'm in an app and I want to close it, I would have to do 1)click home button 2)click apps button from home page 3) select my app 4) press stop/restart. That's a lot of steps which would be eliminated if you had a close button somewhere in the marquee. Or maybe you never really close an app because it gets hibernated when not using it so that's not an issue? The original idea was to never have to close or minimize an app. Not sure how saving document changes would work. Regarding switching between running apps, wouldn't using a task switcher directly from the marquee (i.e. a drop down menu listing the running apps) be one less step than clicking home-apps-select app? I've tried to stay away from using any menus, as on smaller devices they are hard to touch and in high contrast lighting hard to see. Praticaly speaking we might have to use such a menu. Earlier mockups show such a menu so I am leaving it out for now. Also, if an app had multiple open views, how do you navigate between views within the application? There should be some indication of the open views within an app and a way to navigate them. depending upon how the apps work this might very well be a problem which could be solved by tabs (just like the browser issue). * Browser does not seem to have tabs, it would be very interesting to see how it's gonna look with tabs (tabs seem to be quite popular demand (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695) also UI Style Guide page suggest browser would have tabs). Erm, I knew I forgot something. Naturally, I will be adding tabs :-) Probably applications and settings stuff was outlined elsewhere, in this case apologize for my ignorance and kindly ask to provide me with a link where I could read more about it... No worries, you've noticed the major issues - here would be a good place to discuss them Ken -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: mockups
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 23:08:24 Spencer, Bob wrote: Hey Ken, Been on vacation for 2wks and just catching up. Lucky you! I think my wife is ready to jump on a plane with my son and take a vacation without me this year. Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Friday 20 July 2007 16:28:18 Bill Filler wrote: Ken, The screens look good. See my comments below: On Jul 20, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Friday 20 July 2007 08:52:32 you wrote: snip Thanks for the pictures :) Glas you like them :-) A few questions: * Is Settings part so important that has to be always available? Is it about device settings or application settings? I think for the short term it is a stretch to try and modify all applications to consistently export their app-specific settings to a separate place. But I think the system-wide settings are good. For example, the browser should use the system network settings and not have its own configuration. Bob Agreed. I realized that the short time frame would not allow for everything I can draw on a canvas. Getting the system-wide settings decently done and trying, for instance, to make sure that the settings starter for each app are in the same place contextually would be a good start (ie. if we end up using menus, it would be in the same place in the same menu for every app). Another point that we would need to work on (probably longer-term as well) is making sure that each app-specific settings pop-up (or whatever) has the same layout, design and are functionaly comparable, etc. -- Ken -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: mockups
On Friday 20 July 2007 08:52:32 you wrote: snip Thanks for the pictures :) Glas you like them :-) A few questions: * Is Settings part so important that has to be always available? Is it about device settings or application settings? This is one of the major questions. Should we have a global settings app in which all settings are stored for all apps or should we have some settings tool available per app. Apple does it mainly with the global settings iirc and it gets kinda annoying. The Pepper Pad seemed to do it better with the important per-app settings available in the app itself. * How one switches between an active application and applications view? * How one swtiches between applications? Another great idea which I realized in advance would be popular :p Note also that there are no close or minimize buttons on the open apps. The idea behind is this: The home button always has a way to get to the apps page where one can pick an app, start it, restart/rechoose it. Note that in this version there are also no menus. Everything you see shows up fullscreen, although some things in the status bar will be an almost fullscreen overlay (which one could argue is just an associated pop-up and therefor really a menu). Using a task switcher menu turns out to be just as many steps, and more confusing that keeping things flat and simple. Again, this is an idea and I'm not really sure if it is possible to realize such functionality. * Browser does not seem to have tabs, it would be very interesting to see how it's gonna look with tabs (tabs seem to be quite popular demand (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695) also UI Style Guide page suggest browser would have tabs). Erm, I knew I forgot something. Naturally, I will be adding tabs :-) Probably applications and settings stuff was outlined elsewhere, in this case apologize for my ignorance and kindly ask to provide me with a link where I could read more about it... No worries, you've noticed the major issues - here would be a good place to discuss them Ken -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: mockups
Hi, Actually, the darker orange is supposed to denote the difference between selected and selected active (the brighter orange being the more active one). The version I sent is not in any way final, I just picked one version I had and started making different apps. This will change. Ken On Friday 20 July 2007 03:37:20 Bastian, Waldo wrote: What does the orange rectangle in the marquee indicate? It disrupts the overal slick appearance a bit IMHO. What about giving it more rounded corners? Cheers, Waldo Intel Corporation - Platform Software Engineering, UMG - Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Wimer Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:13 PM To: ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: mockups It appears that this did not make it through due to size problems... Here are links to the pics: http://sinecera.de/home_0.3.png http://sinecera.de/apps_0.3.png http://sinecera.de/browser_0.3.png http://sinecera.de/im_0.3.png http://sinecera.de/mediaPlay_0.3.png On Thursday 19 July 2007 16:59:51 Kenneth Wimer wrote: Hi, Here is a series of different apps/screens all using the same basic themeing. The IM app is still very rough as are some of the icons in the browser. Once I finish making it, I will add a wifi icon in the status bar at the top right. Ken -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
