Re: Policy decisions / relationship between MC and MOTU Meeting
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:15:12AM +0100, Stefan Potyra wrote: > On Wednesday 07 March 2007 23:28:28 Daniel T. Chen wrote: > > I agree with Daniel's points that we should be more cautious regarding > > policy decisions, but I think it's in our [MOTU] best interest to make > > as much of the decision process open, transparent and responsive to MOTU > > as possible. From my perspective, MC's charter is to lead MOTU, not > > restrict policy decisions to only MC [the exception being approving or > > deferring MOTU candidates]. > > Yes, sounds pretty sane. > > I especially like the idea of a charter for MC. > > I've just started an early draft of a charter for MC [1], please > correct/add/comment on it. Please also state if you think we don't need a > charter ;). > > Cheers, > Stefan. > -- > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Charter Agreed, I think having clear expectation is good. I was happy to see the SRU decision made at the MOTU meeting, since it affects everyone in MOTU, and I knew that we had 4 MC members there, so that the decision didn't have to be deferred until the MC meeting. At the first MC meeting, there wasn't much (or any) involvement from non-MC people, so having decisions made at the MOTU meeting is a good thing, I think. I've added a note about answering to the TB to the charter. Thanks, Andrew signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Policy decisions / relationship between MC and MOTU Meeting
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 23:28:28 Daniel T. Chen wrote: > I agree with Daniel's points that we should be more cautious regarding > policy decisions, but I think it's in our [MOTU] best interest to make > as much of the decision process open, transparent and responsive to MOTU > as possible. From my perspective, MC's charter is to lead MOTU, not > restrict policy decisions to only MC [the exception being approving or > deferring MOTU candidates]. Yes, sounds pretty sane. I especially like the idea of a charter for MC. I've just started an early draft of a charter for MC [1], please correct/add/comment on it. Please also state if you think we don't need a charter ;). Cheers, Stefan. -- [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Charter pgpaQHr5JO6h7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Test Rebuilds
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:44:06PM +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello, > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule mentions test rebuilds > that are going on. > > In yesterday's MOTU meeting the question came up if there are lists of > packages that failed to build. It'd be nice to have those lists and > point to them from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO - some might even be > easy to fix for some MOTU hopefuls. The rebuilds, along with the rest of the build infrastructure, are managed by the Canonical sysadmin team. You should discuss this possibility with them. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Policy decisions / relationship between MC and MOTU Meeting
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 20:05 +0100, Stefan Potyra wrote: > IMHO MC should step in exactly where MOTU meeting/discussions on the mailing > list will lead to no decision being taking, or at points that need attention > but nobody seems to care about. I agree with Daniel's points that we should be more cautious regarding policy decisions, but I think it's in our [MOTU] best interest to make as much of the decision process open, transparent and responsive to MOTU as possible. From my perspective, MC's charter is to lead MOTU, not restrict policy decisions to only MC [the exception being approving or deferring MOTU candidates]. Thanks, Daniel Chen -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Policy decisions / relationship between MC and MOTU Meeting
Hi, On Wednesday 07 March 2007 19:08:07 you wrote: > Hello guys, > > I thought about yesterday's SRU decision today and I think we should be > more careful about that in the future. The decision has quite a big > impact and we should try to make sure that we > > * do that kind of decisions in a MC meeting > * let them follow the process of MC voting > * follow up with the TB, etc afterwards > > That way we don't get confused with MOTU and MC meetings and everybody > respects meetings and institutions for what they are. Well, I see this quite different. First of all we should make sure to make MC stuff transparent, thus I'm raising this issue on the ubuntu-motu mailing list. Actually I was quite happy to see a big participation both in the discussion and the resulting decision in yesterdays motu-meeting. IMO universe suffered in the time before MC was established exactly from the lack of people taking over responsibility. Now seeing that there is interest within the MOTU community to not "just do the work" but also raise voices in shaping universe is imo a healthy change. I'm pretty confident that it's a good thing that MOTU's take over more responsibility. I also believe that this won't result in bad decisions coming out of motu-meetings: In case of a really bogus decision, MC could still interfere, however I trust all MOTUs enough to know when to call for help or defer an issue to MC. However this brings up the question, what the relationship between MC and MOTU meeting should be (as we actually never decided on that one yet;). IMHO MC should step in exactly where MOTU meeting/discussions on the mailing list will lead to no decision being taking, or at points that need attention but nobody seems to care about. What do you think? Cheers, Stefan. pgpY9mEGKRcA1.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Test Rebuilds
Hello, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule mentions test rebuilds that are going on. In yesterday's MOTU meeting the question came up if there are lists of packages that failed to build. It'd be nice to have those lists and point to them from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO - some might even be easy to fix for some MOTU hopefuls. Thanks a lot. Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
motu-sru decision
Hello everybody, in yesterday's MOTU meeting we decided the following changes to our current MOTU SRU workflow: In a nutshell: 1. Remove the pre-upload-to-proposed ACK requirement (make -proposed open to ubuntu-dev without motu-sru approval). 2. The sponsoring ubuntu-dev member is responsible for gathering testing with 2 ACKs, which must be documented on the LP bug and in the final -updates changelog. 3. The minimum aging period of 7 days in -proposed remains. 4. motu-sru goes away. The change was agreed on by the people attending the meeting and 4 of the 5 MOTU Council members for the following reasons: * speed up the process by not waiting for five testers * require the sponsor to test and verify the update too * transfer some responsibility to the MOTU sponsoring the upload, thus broaden the team of people who can 'approve the proposed' update The complete text: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU The change: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU?action=diff&rev2=33&rev1=32 Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Universe HUG DAY on Friday
Hello everybody, while a HUG DAY is still running we decided in yesterday's MOTU meeting, that we're going to have a Universe HUG DAY. What are we going to do? * identify problems in Universe and Multiverse bugs we want to fix for Feisty: http://tinyurl.com/2nu8rm * tag bugs as 'packaging' and 'bitesize' to better assign work to new MOTU hopefuls: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Tags * fix as many bugs as possible * start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO We'll be around in #ubuntu-motu on irc.freenode.net the whole Friday (Mar, 9th), all timezones. If you want to become a MOTU and help out, this is the time. Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Willing to help
Hello Cesare, On Mi, 2007-03-07 at 23:09 +1100, Luke Yelavich wrote: > We are close to the end of the Feisty cycle at this point, so its pretty > much only bug fixing. Even so, there is still a lot to do. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO has a list of things we're working on until release. I'm sure your help will make a difference in Feisty release. > I suggest you also jump onto IRC, and connect to the Freenode network. > There you will find us in #ubuntu-motu, and we would be happy to answer > any questions, or give you any assistance where possible. Absolutely. Also, if you have any questions, feel free to ask on the mailing list. Thanks for diving into fixing Universe with us. Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Willing to help
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:11:57PM EST, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: > Hello everybody, > > my name is Cesare and I have way too much time to waste :-) > Seriously, I'd be willing to give you guys an hand for packaging, > merging, reviewing, or whatever other task I can do to help this > community grow. Hi Cesare, we would love to have your help working on universe. We are always looking for more people to help out with the truck load of work we have to do. :) > Please let me know if and how I can be of help. I am going to assume that you know very little to nothing about packaging, so I would suggest you have a read of the packaging guide, available at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html. You also may want to have a look through the material we have on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU. We are close to the end of the Feisty cycle at this point, so its pretty much only bug fixing. Even so, there is still a lot to do. I suggest you also jump onto IRC, and connect to the Freenode network. There you will find us in #ubuntu-motu, and we would be happy to answer any questions, or give you any assistance where possible. If anybody else wants to add anything, please feel free to do so. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Willing to help
Hello everybody, my name is Cesare and I have way too much time to waste :-) Seriously, I'd be willing to give you guys an hand for packaging, merging, reviewing, or whatever other task I can do to help this community grow. Please let me know if and how I can be of help. I hope that posting in this list was the right thing to do, if not, apologies in advance. ct -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
