Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 09:48:09AM EST, Stefan Potyra wrote:
> For subsets of packages in universe, motu-release relies on the input of the 
> people knowing these packages best. To not infer unnecessary buerocracy, 
> these maintainers may approve freeze exceptions for their territory as well:
> 
> Firefox releated packages -> Alexander Sack (asac)
> KDE releated packages -> Jonathan Ridell (Ridell)
> Gnome Desktop packages -> ubuntu-desktop (or ask seb128)
> Mythbuntu -> Mario Limonciello (superm1 | mariolimonciell)
> Ubuntustudio -> Luke Yelavich (TheMuso) (might still change: Luke anyone whom 
> you'd like to see in charge, as you're a member of 
> motu-release anyways?)

I am happy to handle this myself. 

Luke
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Bug Day - 08 April 2008

[Brian Murray]

It's been about two months since we've looked at bugs with out a
package and the number is continuing to grow.  So let's take a look at
these on Tuesday, April 8th!  We can easily help these bug reports by
assigning them to the right package but it'd be best to get them
triaged.  The event will be held in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode.  
The bug list I've created is focused on reports that should be about
Hardy and is at:

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080408

Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that list and then move on
to other bugs without a package.

So on 08 April 2008, in all timezones, we'll be meeting in
#ubuntu-bugs on irc.freenode.net for another Ubuntu Hug Day.

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay

While you are welcome to apply to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team
anytime, Hug Day is a great day to join!

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl

If you're interested in helping to make the next release of Ubuntu even
better - please stop by.  And feel free to ask bdmurray, ogasawara,   
pedro, heno and the rest of the team for ways to help out.  We hope to
see you there and your name on the list of bug triagers!

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Re: FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

[Stefan Potyra]

Hi again,

damn, I knew I forgot s.th., sorry!

Am Samstag 05 April 2008 00:48:09 schrieb Stefan Potyra:
[..]
>
> Firefox releated packages -> Alexander Sack (asac)
> KDE releated packages -> Jonathan Ridell (Ridell)
> Gnome Desktop packages -> ubuntu-desktop (or ask seb128)
> Mythbuntu -> Mario Limonciello (superm1 | mariolimonciell)
> Ubuntustudio -> Luke Yelavich (TheMuso) [..]

Xubuntu: Cody Sommerville (cody-sommerville)

Cheers,
Stefan.


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FinalFreeze around the corner (universe/multiverse notes)

[Stefan Potyra]

Hi folks,

it's almost there, FinalFreeze will impact on April, 10th.
During FinalFreeze, every upload to universe/multiverse will need to be 
approved by motu-release. To enforce this, no uploads will pass the queue 
of the archive admins, unless a proper granted exception is present.

To get an exception, please contact motu-release or a delegate. You can do 
so either by filing a bug on launchpad, or by asking on irc. Please have 
a debdiff ready (either attached to the bug, or via pastebin).
Once a member of motu-release acknowledges an exception, feel free to upload
it. In case you filed a bug, please make sure to close it via 
debian/changelog, so that ubuntu-archive can easily see the granted
exception.

For FinalFreeze the size of the changes matter. It doesn't matter, if it is a 
new upstream version, a sync or just a modification, as long as you follow 
this rule: The less intrusive the changes are, the better. 
In other word: The smaller the debdiff is, the better. Hence please avoid
hurrying in an upload just to not fall under FinalFreeze.

The motu-release team will be dealing with FinalFreeze in the same manner as 
it did with FeatureFreeze. In the beginning, more intrusive changes will be
allowed, but as time passes, the changes size will get more limited as well.

Finally, in the last 24 hours, every upload must get approved by motu-release,
or ubuntu-release to not drain out the buildds.

Also, please prepare any uploads avoiding all unnecessary changes. 
Among these are:
* general package cleanups, like bumping standards-version
* adding a patch system for packages, which don't have one already
* changing text files (in regards to translations), including fixing minor
  typographical errors
* switching build systems

For subsets of packages in universe, motu-release relies on the input of the 
people knowing these packages best. To not infer unnecessary buerocracy, 
these maintainers may approve freeze exceptions for their territory as well:

Firefox releated packages -> Alexander Sack (asac)
KDE releated packages -> Jonathan Ridell (Ridell)
Gnome Desktop packages -> ubuntu-desktop (or ask seb128)
Mythbuntu -> Mario Limonciello (superm1 | mariolimonciell)
Ubuntustudio -> Luke Yelavich (TheMuso) (might still change: Luke anyone whom 
you'd like to see in charge, as you're a member of 
motu-release anyways?)

In case you are not 100% sure, which catagory a package falls under, or if it 
might tackle other areas of universe as well,  please contact motu-release.
We will sort it out.

Cheers,
   Stefan on behalf of motu-release.


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Re: Changes to the Universe Development team structure

[Michael Bienia]

On 2008-04-04 10:51:45 +0200, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> "MOTU" itself came from an internal joke from former times, but right 
> now, the real team is name's "ubuntu-dev", and internally addressed as 
> Ubuntu Universe Developers.

New MOTUs are added to the ~motu team. ~ubuntu-dev is "Ubuntu
Development Team" and the team above ~ubuntu-core-dev and ~motu (plus
some members from before the transition to ~motu).

Michael

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Re: Changes to the Universe Development team structure

[Scott Kitterman]

First, as previously discussed and I believe now agreed, there are a number of 
items in this plan that go beyond what the MOTU have collectively agreed to.  
The plan should not be implemented until it's been discussed and agreed by a 
vote of the present MOTU at at MOTU meeting.

I think that the initial release of this structure should be minimalist with 
features added as we go.  The think the criteria should be the same as the 
normal Ubuntu Member criteria with an added caveat about activity being in 
MOTU.  The primary initial benifit would be not having to wait in line at the 
CC to get approved.  

On Thursday 03 April 2008 10:07, Emmet Hikory wrote:
> In recognition of the growing number of developers, a new
> development team is being introduced to provide further granularity of
> entitlements within Ubuntu Development: the Universe Hackers (Ubuntu
> Contributing Developers) (1).  This team is intended to include all
> who have been actively involved with universe development for some
> time, have provided significant contributions, and have a sustained
> commitment to the development community.

Hacker is a word with a lot of different connotations.  I think we should pick 
a clearer name.  My proposals would be:

1.  Ubuntu Universe Members
2.  Ubuntu Universe Sponsored Developers

Either would be clear and professinal sounding.

> All current MOTU have been added to this team (indirectly), and
> new members are encouraged to apply by sending mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a reference to their updated wiki
> page, indications of other current team members willing to sponsor
> their membership, and their plans for future activity.  Applicants are
> expected to meet the following criteria:
>
> * Have been working with Ubuntu development for some time, with a
> number of bugs fixed in the archives

The new member how to refers to "recognition of a significant and sustained 
contribution".  I think those are good words.  I think bugs fixed is a narrow 
focus.  My recomendation is:

* Have been working with Ubuntu development for some time, with a record of  
of significant and sustained positive contribution

> * Have a close working relationship with other members of the Ubuntu
> community 
> * Have a clear plan for future activity 
> * Have updated their wiki page to meet the criteria listed on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
>
> While the specific entitlements granted to this team are still
> expanding, the intent is to allow most development activities that do
> not specifically require upload to the archives or extensive
> experience with package management to be performed by members of this
> team.  In addition to other efforts underway, I would like to
> encourage anyone maintaining a VCS for Ubuntu packaging of a universe
> package to consider using this team in place of ~ubuntu-dev as a
> source of acceptable committers.  Further, if anyone has any specific
> suggestions of other entitlements that should properly belong to this
> team, please reply here, or raise in a MOTU Meeting.

This should all be deferred.  Initially entitlements should be identical to 
Ubuntu Member entitlements.  Let's not confuse things to much.  From the 
linked wiki page:

Membership entitles you to the following benefits:

* An @ubuntu.com e-mail alias that forwards to your real e-mail - the 
email-address will be set up automatically and will be based on your main 
Launchpad ID: [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED] All email arriving at 
said address will be forwarded to the primary email address listed for your 
profile in Launchpad. You can test if it is active by sending yourself some 
mail, from time to time.
* An ubuntu/member/your_nick hostname IRC cloak on freenode - See [WWW] 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks
* The right to print business cards with the Ubuntu logo - The business 
cards can be found at the BusinessCards page, you will need to take care of 
the printing yourself.
* Syndication on Planet Ubuntu of your Ubuntu blog or the Ubuntu category 
posts in your blog, if you have one. Follow [WWW] the registration 
instructions to have your posts syndicated on Planet Ubuntu.

This is not a competition with the CC or other membership granting bodies to 
make our membership more attractive.  We should start out with the exact same 
benifits.

This is an entirely separate issue and should not be conflated with the 
membership issue:

> Along with this new team, the previous Contributors of packages
> for ubuntu universe team (ubuntu-universe-contributors) is undergoing
> a rename to "Universe Code Monkeys" (~universe-code-monkeys), and a
> transition is planned for existing members to expire after six months
> have passed.  All members of the Universe Hackers and all Ubuntu
> Developers will remain members, and anyone whose membership expires
> will be welcome to rejoin (although those working on packaging for
> greater than six months are definitely encouraged t

Re: More granular LP permissions

[Emilio Pozuelo Monfort]

Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Daniel Holbach wrote:
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>> Stephan Hermann schrieb:
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>>> Personally, I'm missing some more fine granulated permissions for users 
>>> and teams, regarding bug working on LP.
>>> Means, (as an example) giving the right for adding tasks without having 
>>> some other guy to approve, I don't think it's good to do that with 
>>> inheriting the "bug control team".
>>> I think it would make more sense, to "force" LP Devs, means Canonical as 
>>> driving force behind LP,  to implement a useful permission system, where 
>>> the teamlead can give or take special rights from a user or even a 
>>> "sub-team".
>>> 
>> AFAIK Everybody can add a task to a bug. Can you elaborate or do you
>> have a different example?

I think Daniel was referring to adding bug tasks (e.g. adding a metacity task to
a bug in gtk+). That's what I was thinking in the beginning too :)

> Everybody can add tasks, right, but they have to be approved by members
> in special teams (e.g. ubuntu-dev).

Here I guess you mean adding tasks for Gutsy/Feisty...? If so, that's right, I
think only ~ubuntu-dev can do so for packages in universe/multiverse, and
~ubuntu-core-dev for main/restricted. Those teams are specified in Uploaders at
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu

> Giving those people (those -> contributors which are not ready for 
> ubuntu-dev status, but are able to do the right things) the rights to 
> add tasks which are then already approved, is great.
> That's also an appreciation towards those contributors. (Only Regarding 
> Universe/Multiverse Stuff, not Main/Restricted)
>> Let's file bugs on LP for those cases where applicable.
>>   
> I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more 
> granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and formulate 
> a clear proposal.

If there's a need for this we could schedule a session for this at UDS

Emilio



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Re: [Fwd: Re: Ubuntu Open Week is coming!]

[Jorge O. Castro]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > There's the distutils mailing list [1]. Distutils is a Python module used 
> > for
>  > packaging Python modules and applications, so I believe that's a very good 
> place.
>  >
>
> > I don't know of other interesting places... Stani, do you know of somewhere 
> > else?
>  As I mentioned earlier:
>  - comp.lang.python(.announce)
>  - wxpython user list
>
>  The question also pops up on the ubuntuforums, so it could be announced
>  there as well.

Hi guys,

I'll put together an invite to the Open Week for distutils,
comp.lang.python.announce, and wxpython list then run it by one of you
guys in IRC and send it off as soon as possible.

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Re: More granular LP permissions

[Stephan Hermann]

Daniel Holbach wrote:
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> Stephan Hermann schrieb:
>   
>> Personally, I'm missing some more fine granulated permissions for users 
>> and teams, regarding bug working on LP.
>> Means, (as an example) giving the right for adding tasks without having 
>> some other guy to approve, I don't think it's good to do that with 
>> inheriting the "bug control team".
>> I think it would make more sense, to "force" LP Devs, means Canonical as 
>> driving force behind LP,  to implement a useful permission system, where 
>> the teamlead can give or take special rights from a user or even a 
>> "sub-team".
>> 
>
> AFAIK Everybody can add a task to a bug. Can you elaborate or do you
> have a different example?
>   
Everybody can add tasks, right, but they have to be approved by members 
in special teams (e.g. ubuntu-dev).
Giving those people (those -> contributors which are not ready for 
ubuntu-dev status, but are able to do the right things) the rights to 
add tasks which are then already approved, is great.
That's also an appreciation towards those contributors. (Only Regarding 
Universe/Multiverse Stuff, not Main/Restricted)
> Let's file bugs on LP for those cases where applicable.
>   
I think there are some wishlist reports already filed about a more 
granular permission concept, if not, let's do it together and formulate 
a clear proposal.

Regards,

\sh


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More granular LP permissions

[Daniel Holbach]

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Stephan Hermann schrieb:
> Personally, I'm missing some more fine granulated permissions for users 
> and teams, regarding bug working on LP.
> Means, (as an example) giving the right for adding tasks without having 
> some other guy to approve, I don't think it's good to do that with 
> inheriting the "bug control team".
> I think it would make more sense, to "force" LP Devs, means Canonical as 
> driving force behind LP,  to implement a useful permission system, where 
> the teamlead can give or take special rights from a user or even a 
> "sub-team".

AFAIK Everybody can add a task to a bug. Can you elaborate or do you
have a different example?

Let's file bugs on LP for those cases where applicable.

Have a nice day,
 Daniel

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Re: Changes to the Universe Development team structure

[Stephan Hermann]

Hi,


Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thursday 03 April 2008 16:07:07 Emmet Hikory wrote:
>> [..]
>> 
>>> a rename to "Universe Code Monkeys" (~universe-code-monkeys), and a
>>>   
>> Should I change REVU's heart icon to a banana? :P
>> 
>
> Good Point!
>
> But seriously, can we please at least try to use some somewhat
> respectable names? I mean, we are not a club of script kiddies who try
> to impress our users (and therefore potential contributors) with silly
> names. We all know that ubuntu development is fast paced, but rushing in
> names like this is not going to help us keeping up with that pace, IMO.
>   

Thanks Reinhard,

that's really on thing that concerns me, really. Could be that my life 
age is over the limit,
but having "funny names" is not a good thing to go.
"MOTU" itself came from an internal joke from former times, but right 
now, the real team is name's "ubuntu-dev", and internally addressed as 
Ubuntu Universe Developers.
Therefore we should address a bit of seriousness towards our audience.

As further notice, I think the main thought about giving potential 
universe candidates more rights is great.
We discussed it somehow on irc several times, but not as official as it 
should have been done. Question is, do we have the technical 
infrastructure to do this "right"?

Personally, I'm missing some more fine granulated permissions for users 
and teams, regarding bug working on LP.
Means, (as an example) giving the right for adding tasks without having 
some other guy to approve, I don't think it's good to do that with 
inheriting the "bug control team".
I think it would make more sense, to "force" LP Devs, means Canonical as 
driving force behind LP,  to implement a useful permission system, where 
the teamlead can give or take special rights from a user or even a 
"sub-team".

Regards,

\sh


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Re: Changes to the Universe Development team structure

[Reinhard Tartler]

Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 03 April 2008 16:07:07 Emmet Hikory wrote:
> [..]
>> a rename to "Universe Code Monkeys" (~universe-code-monkeys), and a
>
> Should I change REVU's heart icon to a banana? :P

Good Point!

But seriously, can we please at least try to use some somewhat
respectable names? I mean, we are not a club of script kiddies who try
to impress our users (and therefore potential contributors) with silly
names. We all know that ubuntu development is fast paced, but rushing in
names like this is not going to help us keeping up with that pace, IMO.

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