Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 23:02, Stephan Hermann wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 22:50 +0800, LI Daobing wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 22:39, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:21:41 am LI Daobing wrote: >> >> it's somehow different, for example, the amule ppa shipped with >> >> ubuntu-tweak has DLP function, which is important for us. >> > >> > Can this be added to the amule package in Ubuntu? >> >> I don't know why this patch does not exist in amule package in Ubuntu, >> maybe it makes amule more unstable? but for someone (like me), DLP is >> important, without DLP, amule totally does not work (it will only >> upload, but never download). I can bare the crash problem with it, so >> I choose DLP. but maybe some other think the patch is not perfect, or >> just he don't like the patch, so he refuse it. > > So, if this is really a "showstopper" for amule, why doesn't someone fix > the patch to let it not crash, then add it to a wishlist bug and ask for > adding? this is just an example, many program provide many compile options and many patches, and ubuntu only provided one combination for it. another example for me, when emacs want to display a char, first he should detect the charset of this char. but in this program, japanese is always preferred than chinese. And japanese and chinese share many symbols in unicode, but with much different glyph[1]. so when I open a txt file in chinese, some char is displayed in japanese fonts with "wrong" glyph, some others in chinese fonts. I write a patch for this problem, which make chinese is preferred than japanese. this patch works fine for me and other emacs users in chinese, but it will not (and should not) be accepted in Ubuntu. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification#Examples_of_language_dependent_characters The previous is just another example. there is not only one user base in Ubuntu. there are some many user base in Ubuntu. they have different requirement. PPA can resolve this problem. that's why PPA in launchpad is used by more and more people. for the problem of amule, I don't follow this bug, but I think you can check it at http://goo.gl/WxGo. > > >> >> > >> >> it also provide some snapshot version program (just like gcc-snapshot >> >> which already in ubuntu). >> > >> > No. gcc-snapshot is IN Ubuntu. These PPAs are not. >> >> I mean someone need snapshot version of these programs (such as >> snapshot version of vlc, opera, chromium, etc), just like the ubuntu >> people need the snapshot version of gcc. > > I don't think that many people of Ubuntu use gcc-snapshot on a daily > basis. > > More likely is that the standard ubuntu user doesn't even care about > gcc-snapshot, as many of our userbase are not caring about "newer" > versions of packages. we have many different userbases. > > If they care, they could enable the backports repository and/or ask for > backports of current developement release packages (e.g. from maverick > to lucid). > > Users who are reading "marketing statements like" "install this, you > will get newer versions and blablabla", will exactly do that, and they > will whine when they try to upgrade from there release to the next. > > We had that in the past, and this will happen with unreflected usage of > tools like this. (Please read the threads about Automatix and Friends in > the past...google have references) > Aron Xu has talked many about this. thanks. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 22:59, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:15:55 (EDT), LI Daobing wrote: > >> ubuntu-tweak does not add any ppa to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ by >> default. this only happens when user ask it do. >> >> the add-apt-repository command in python-software-properties package >> also can add ppa to sources.list, so I don't think ubuntu will reject >> software like this. > > The difference is that add-apt-repository is that solves the technical > problem of enabling PPAs. This is fine for ubuntu. > > ubuntu-tweak however enables *specific* PPAs that are important to you, > but we fear that they have substandard quality packages (otherwise they > would be in the main archive, no?). This makes our users think that we > somehow endorse these PPAs. ubuntu-tweak have provided a warning[1] when you enter "source center". [1] "It is a possible security risk to use packages from Third-Party Sources. Please be careful and use only sources you trust." -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 22:39, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:21:41 am LI Daobing wrote: >> it's somehow different, for example, the amule ppa shipped with >> ubuntu-tweak has DLP function, which is important for us. > > Can this be added to the amule package in Ubuntu? I don't know why this patch does not exist in amule package in Ubuntu, maybe it makes amule more unstable? but for someone (like me), DLP is important, without DLP, amule totally does not work (it will only upload, but never download). I can bare the crash problem with it, so I choose DLP. but maybe some other think the patch is not perfect, or just he don't like the patch, so he refuse it. > >> it also provide some snapshot version program (just like gcc-snapshot >> which already in ubuntu). > > No. gcc-snapshot is IN Ubuntu. These PPAs are not. I mean someone need snapshot version of these programs (such as snapshot version of vlc, opera, chromium, etc), just like the ubuntu people need the snapshot version of gcc. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 21:43, Stephan Hermann wrote: > moins, > > > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 10:21 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 09:16:05 pm LI Daobing wrote: >> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:09, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 09:05:25 pm LI Daobing wrote: >> > >> Hello, >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:00, Scott Kitterman >> wrote: >> > >> > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 01:29:46 pm Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> > >> >> Ubuntu Tweak is waiting for approval in New queue. >> > >> >> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ >> > >> >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252140 >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Is this something MOTU wants included? >> > >> > >> > >> > No. >> > >> > >> > >> > It looks to me like something that, in addition to proper packaging, >> > >> > ought to have a thorough functional review before entering the >> > >> > archive. >> > >> >> > >> I am the packager of ubuntu-tweak, can you tell me what's the problem >> > >> with ubuntu-tweak? >> > > >> > > I don't know that there is a problem, but given the invasive nature of >> > > it's functionality, I think it appropriate for it to be given more of a >> > > review than just being packaged properly. In Ubuntu's history there >> > > have been multiple "Tweak" programs and so far they have always proved >> > > to be more harmful than helpful at the scale the Ubuntu archive >> > > operates. >> > > >> > > This one may be the one that gets it right, but having found that they >> > > rebrand PPAs that other people maintain as there's on their web site, >> > > I'm not at all inclined to assume this is all well intentioned. >> > >> > you are right. >> > >> > this package is active-maintained, and I'll forward your opinion to >> > the upstream author. I think he'll fix this bug. >> > >> > ubuntu-tweak is very useful for me, and it's also has many users. so I >> > want to push it to Ubuntu and hope it can catch ubuntu 10.10. >> > >> > thanks. >> >> I don't have a lot of time for a detailed review. A quick look shows that >> this can enable quite a number of untrusted repositories. My recollection is >> that we although Envy was initially accepted doing something similar it was >> required to be fixed to not do this. I don't think a package that adds >> untrusted repositories is suitable. > > Yes, it can enable a lot of untrusted sources, but I don't understand > how it does it. > under "software-center" there are lot of archives, which are not ubuntu > official, but they are greyed out...and with the "unlock" button it does > nothing (I took the version from revu) the unlock button will let you input your sudo password. then he can modify /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ dir. > > Tbh, everything what's in there is already available on a standard gnome > desktop. We don't need a copy of update-manager, software-center or > whatever is in there... it's somehow different, for example, the amule ppa shipped with ubuntu-tweak has DLP function, which is important for us. it also provide some snapshot version program (just like gcc-snapshot which already in ubuntu). > > I even don't like descriptions like there are in > ubuntutweak/common/appdata.py. > > It think that this could give us a sitution as we had during times when > we had the unofficial backport times... > > I will not give a +1 for this tool in the official ubuntu archives. > I still think this package is suitable for universe. :) Thanks -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
Hello, On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 22:21, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 09:16:05 pm LI Daobing wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:09, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 09:05:25 pm LI Daobing wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:00, Scott Kitterman > wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 01:29:46 pm Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> >> >> Ubuntu Tweak is waiting for approval in New queue. >> >> >> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ >> >> >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252140 >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this something MOTU wants included? >> >> > >> >> > No. >> >> > >> >> > It looks to me like something that, in addition to proper packaging, >> >> > ought to have a thorough functional review before entering the >> >> > archive. >> >> >> >> I am the packager of ubuntu-tweak, can you tell me what's the problem >> >> with ubuntu-tweak? >> > >> > I don't know that there is a problem, but given the invasive nature of >> > it's functionality, I think it appropriate for it to be given more of a >> > review than just being packaged properly. In Ubuntu's history there >> > have been multiple "Tweak" programs and so far they have always proved >> > to be more harmful than helpful at the scale the Ubuntu archive >> > operates. >> > >> > This one may be the one that gets it right, but having found that they >> > rebrand PPAs that other people maintain as there's on their web site, >> > I'm not at all inclined to assume this is all well intentioned. >> >> you are right. >> >> this package is active-maintained, and I'll forward your opinion to >> the upstream author. I think he'll fix this bug. >> >> ubuntu-tweak is very useful for me, and it's also has many users. so I >> want to push it to Ubuntu and hope it can catch ubuntu 10.10. >> >> thanks. > > I don't have a lot of time for a detailed review. A quick look shows that > this can enable quite a number of untrusted repositories. My recollection is > that we although Envy was initially accepted doing something similar it was > required to be fixed to not do this. I don't think a package that adds > untrusted repositories is suitable. ubuntu-tweak does not add any ppa to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ by default. this only happens when user ask it do. the add-apt-repository command in python-software-properties package also can add ppa to sources.list, so I don't think ubuntu will reject software like this. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:09, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 09:05:25 pm LI Daobing wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 01:29:46 pm Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> >> Ubuntu Tweak is waiting for approval in New queue. >> >> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ >> >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252140 >> >> >> >> Is this something MOTU wants included? >> > >> > No. >> > >> > It looks to me like something that, in addition to proper packaging, >> > ought to have a thorough functional review before entering the archive. >> >> I am the packager of ubuntu-tweak, can you tell me what's the problem >> with ubuntu-tweak? >> > > I don't know that there is a problem, but given the invasive nature of it's > functionality, I think it appropriate for it to be given more of a review than > just being packaged properly. In Ubuntu's history there have been multiple > "Tweak" programs and so far they have always proved to be more harmful than > helpful at the scale the Ubuntu archive operates. > > This one may be the one that gets it right, but having found that they rebrand > PPAs that other people maintain as there's on their web site, I'm not at all > inclined to assume this is all well intentioned. > you are right. this package is active-maintained, and I'll forward your opinion to the upstream author. I think he'll fix this bug. ubuntu-tweak is very useful for me, and it's also has many users. so I want to push it to Ubuntu and hope it can catch ubuntu 10.10. thanks. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: ubuntu-tweak in new
Hello, On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 09:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 01:29:46 pm Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> Ubuntu Tweak is waiting for approval in New queue. >> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252140 >> >> Is this something MOTU wants included? >> > No. > > It looks to me like something that, in addition to proper packaging, ought to > have a thorough functional review before entering the archive. > I am the packager of ubuntu-tweak, can you tell me what's the problem with ubuntu-tweak? thanks. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Li Daobing is Contributing Developer
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 17:09, Evan R. Murphy wrote: >> we're pleased to announce that Li Daobing just became a Contributing >> Developer. Li's tireless work on the ibus input method packages made it >> easy for us to vote +1 on his application. > > Congratulations, Li! > Thanks. -- Best Regards LI Daobing -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
