Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-11 Thread Stephan Hermann
Moins,



On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:43 +1000
Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:32:50PM EST, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote:
  How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke)
 
 Sounds good to me.

So it's setteled...

16th June, 21UTC...can someone write it down somewhere?

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
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 Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
  As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of
  the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's
  schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative
  date and we can go from there.
 
 Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
 and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
 find a suitable date for everyone.
 
 E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody
 (it will be early in Australia, though).

I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during the 
week.

Luke
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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
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On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 04:41:21PM EST, Stephan Hermann wrote:
  E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend
  everybody (it will be early in Australia, though).
 
 When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during
 working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al.
 
 we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more
 time to spend :)

I would rather not, as I can't be sure I can get to the keyboard, let alone 
that I would want to get up early on a weekend day.

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:50, Luke Yelavich wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:03:10PM EST, Luca Falavigna wrote:
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  Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
   As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of
   the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's
   schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a
   tentative date and we can go from there.
 
  Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
  and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
  find a suitable date for everyone.
 
  E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody
  (it will be early in Australia, though).

 I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during
 the week.

 Luke

If we do it then, I can be there for about 45 minutes.  That should be plenty.

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-10 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:50, Luke Yelavich wrote:
  On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:03:10PM EST, Luca Falavigna wrote:
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   Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of
the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your
 guy's
schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a
tentative date and we can go from there.
  
   Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
   and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
   find a suitable date for everyone.
  
   E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody
   (it will be early in Australia, though).
 
  I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during
  the week.
 
  Luke

 If we do it then, I can be there for about 45 minutes.  That should be
 plenty.

 Scott K


How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke)

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:32:50PM EST, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote:
 How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke)

Sounds good to me.

Luke
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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-09 Thread Stephan Hermann
Moins,


On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:03:10 +0200
Luca Falavigna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
  As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest
  of the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with
  your guy's schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to
  pick a tentative date and we can go from there.
 
 Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
 and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
 find a suitable date for everyone.
 
 E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend
 everybody (it will be early in Australia, though).

When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during
working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al.

we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more
time to spend :)

\sh

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday 09 June 2008 02:41, Stephan Hermann wrote:
 Moins,


 On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:03:10 +0200

 Luca Falavigna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
   As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest
   of the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with
   your guy's schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to
   pick a tentative date and we can go from there.
 
  Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
  and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
  find a suitable date for everyone.
 
  E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend
  everybody (it will be early in Australia, though).

 When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during
 working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al.

 we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more
 time to spend :)

 \sh

20 UTC will work for me on most any day during the week.

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MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-08 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Luca Falavigna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann
  as new members of MOTU SRU.  Please welcome them to the team.

 Welcome aboard! Can we schedule a short meeting to discuss what we can
 do to improve our workflow and to examine difficulties we faced?


Hey, thanks :)

As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of the
team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's schedule
but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative date and we
can go from there.

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Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)

2008-06-08 Thread Luca Falavigna
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Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto:
 As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of
 the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's
 schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative
 date and we can go from there.

Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan
and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to
find a suitable date for everyone.

E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody
(it will be early in Australia, though).

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-07 Thread Emmet Hikory
I wrote:
I've been advised that the above represents a statement by
 MOTU-SRU asking for inclusion as an alternative to the requested poll
 Given that this is different to how team members have been
 chosen in the past, I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this
 solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so).

That was a couple days ago, so:

I have deactvated the memberships of Brandon Holtsclaw and Jordan
Mantha.  Much appreciation is due them both for their help with MOTU
SRU in the past, and they deserve all our best wishes with their
current activities.

I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann
as new members of MOTU SRU.  Please welcome them to the team.

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-07 Thread Luca Falavigna
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Emmet Hikory ha scritto:
 I have deactvated the memberships of Brandon Holtsclaw and Jordan
 Mantha.  Much appreciation is due them both for their help with MOTU
 SRU in the past, and they deserve all our best wishes with their
 current activities.

A huge Thank you guys for your hard work during these months!

 I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann
 as new members of MOTU SRU.  Please welcome them to the team.

Welcome aboard! Can we schedule a short meeting to discuss what we can
do to improve our workflow and to examine difficulties we faced?

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-06 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Emmet Hikory wrote:
 Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
 Emmet Hikory wrote:
 I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this
 solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so).
 As a general policy or just for this case?
 
 Just in this case(1),

No objection then

 although it may lend itself as possible
 precedent as part of the larger conversation about how to select /
 elect / appoint / collect / generate our leadership teams.

But that will surely need discussion et al.

Cheers,
Emilio

 1: In the interests of restoring the flow of critical bugfixes to our
 current stable release.



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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Emmet Hikory wrote:
 I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this
 solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so).

As a general policy or just for this case?



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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-05 Thread Emmet Hikory
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
 Emmet Hikory wrote:
 I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this
 solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so).

 As a general policy or just for this case?

Just in this case(1), although it may lend itself as possible
precedent as part of the larger conversation about how to select /
elect / appoint / collect / generate our leadership teams.


1: In the interests of restoring the flow of critical bugfixes to our
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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-04 Thread Luca Falavigna
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Cesare Tirabassi ha scritto:
| Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6?
| Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again
in no
| time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to
everybody's
| satisfaction.

Having more members is not a problem, we can speed up SRU review and
approval phases, we just need to coordinate and adopt common procedures.

Once new members are in place, I would like to discuss about issues we
faced in the past, this can be done by mail/irc meeting/MOTU meeting as
you prefer. If you want, I can write a brief summary of what has been
done and pending open issues we need to solve, so we have something to
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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-04 Thread Emmet Hikory
Luca Falavigna wrote:
 Cesare Tirabassi ha scritto:
 | Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6?
 | Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again
 in no
 | time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to
 everybody's
 | satisfaction.

 Having more members is not a problem, we can speed up SRU review and
 approval phases, we just need to coordinate and adopt common procedures.

 Once new members are in place, I would like to discuss about issues we
 faced in the past, this can be done by mail/irc meeting/MOTU meeting as
 you prefer. If you want, I can write a brief summary of what has been
 done and pending open issues we need to solve, so we have something to
 work on immediately.

I've been advised that the above represents a statement by
MOTU-SRU asking for inclusion as an alternative to the requested poll
(1).  Given that this is different to how team members have been
chosen in the past, I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this
solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so).

Also, I'd like to invite the MOTU SRU team to hold a public
meeting with the candidates as soon as possible to establish
procedures and coordination, and reduce the possibility of
organisational delays if there is a polling period.

1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-June/001181.html

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motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
Dear MC,

please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1].
Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]).

Candidates:
Stephan Hermann [3]
Scott Kitterman [4]
Cody A.W. Somerville [5]

looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be
subject to discussion. 

Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6?
Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no 
time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to everybody's 
satisfaction.

Cesare

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Cesare Tirabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Dear MC,
 
 please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1].
 Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]).
 
 Candidates:
 Stephan Hermann [3]
 Scott Kitterman [4]
 Cody A.W. Somerville [5]
 
 looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be
 subject to discussion.

 Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6?
 Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no
 time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to
 everybody's
 satisfaction.


As one of the people being replaced, I'd like to say that I think the number
of people in the team not nearly as important as having people who are
dedicated to being an active part of the MOTU SRU team. I personally don't
think 6 people are necessary, but I don't see real problems with it and I'd
hate to waste good candidates like these :-) +1 from me.

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Chuck Short
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Cesare Tirabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear MC,

please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1].
Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]).

Candidates:
Stephan Hermann [3]
Scott Kitterman [4]
Cody A.W. Somerville [5]

looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be
subject to discussion.

 Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6?
 Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no
 time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to everybody's
 satisfaction.

 Cesare

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Hi,

I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team
then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not
always be available.

Regards
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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip



 Hi,

 I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team
 then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not
 always be available.


Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed
*immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number
(if I'm placed on the team).




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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Emmet Hikory
Cody A.W. Somerville wrote:
 Chuck Short wrote:
 I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team
 then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not
 always be available.

 Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed
 *immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number

MOTU SRU isn't needed immediately, but it's nice to have someone
available for discussion in #ubuntu-motu if one is considering working
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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip



 Hi,

 I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team
 then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not
 always be available.


 Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed
 *immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number
 (if I'm placed on the team).



Well, most SRUs don't need immediate attention (since security follows a
different workflow) however it is good to spread timezones because people
often do have question for MOTU SRU members or you want to chat with
somebody working on an SRU. It's just generally not great to have the whole
team in one general timezone. With Stephan and Luka on European timezones,
Luke in AU, and John, Cody, and Scott in the Americas we'd have fairly good
coverage.

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-03 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On 2008-06-01 04:44:55 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote:
  looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be
 subject
  to discussion.

 As I had to go out and look after one ~motu-sru member to get my SRUs
 ACKed, I'd like to hear from the remaining ~motu-sru members how many
 new members should be added to the team to get it operational again.


Well, I think the minimum would probably be 3 because it's hard to keep a
consistent and varied group otherwise and I probably wouldn't go more than 6
or 7 because communication becomes more difficult and productivity tends to
go down due to anonymity. When  it's a fairly small team you know you have
to contribute to the team and there's more investment in the team. However,
when a team gets large each member's part shrinks and they can tend to get
disinterested. But again, this really is really a function of the dynamics
of the team and there are ways to effectively use large teams too (having a
team lead with subteam works on specific task, or expanding the team's
scope).

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Re: motu-sru extension

2008-06-01 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2008-06-01 04:44:55 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote:
 looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be 
 subject 
 to discussion.

As I had to go out and look after one ~motu-sru member to get my SRUs
ACKed, I'd like to hear from the remaining ~motu-sru members how many
new members should be added to the team to get it operational again.

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motu-sru extension

2008-05-31 Thread Stefan Potyra
Dear MC,

please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1]. 
Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]).

Candidates:
Stephan Hermann [3]
Scott Kitterman [4]
Cody A.W. Somerville [5]

looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be subject 
to discussion.

Thanks,
Stefan.
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[1]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003873.html
[2]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003963.html
[3]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003912.html
[4]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003954.html
[5]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003961.html


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Re: motu-sru extension?

2008-05-17 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Luca Falavigna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Stefan Potyra ha scritto:
 | with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD
 thesis (good
 | luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional
 | member(s)?
 |
 | motu-sru, what do you think?


I also talked to Brandon Holtsclaw this week and he said that he is also
unable to continue with MOTU SRU so he needs a replacement as well.



 Recently, motu-sru queue has grown a bit, since developers focused on
 fixing Hardy packages which weren't touched in time for the release.


And this is really awesome to see. As much as we hate having to fix things
post-release, itś great to see a commitment from developers and contributors
to support our stable releases. Keep it up!



 Also, I'm mostly offline because my ISP hasn't restored my DSL line yet
 (it's been more than a month... hope to have good news soon), so I guess
 having more members can help to review outstanding bugs and to sponsor
 packages in -proposed.


Yeah, if we have more members then people can be temporarily gone without
negatively affecting the response time.



 We also talked about the possibility to improve SRU policy for
 universe/multiverse packages to allow new bugfix releases go into
 - -proposed (and -updates as well), but we need to check with Technical
 Board and with stable releases managers (pitti or slangasek).


I´m currently working on cleaning/clarifying the SRU wiki page and I´ll make
sure that any outstanding SRU work I was doing get´s resolved or handed
over.

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motu-sru extension?

2008-05-16 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi folks,

with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD thesis (good 
luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional 
member(s)?

motu-sru, what do you think?

Cheers,
Stefan.


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Re: motu-sru extension?

2008-05-16 Thread Luke Yelavich
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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 05:17:43PM CEST, Stefan Potyra wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD thesis 
 (good 
 luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional 
 member(s)?
 
 motu-sru, what do you think?

I think so, as I am not always able to give a lot of attention to it. i do what 
I can when I can, and wish I could do more, but I can't garentee to look at 
them every so often at a set time.

So yes, I think so.

Luke
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Re: motu-sru extension?

2008-05-16 Thread Luca Falavigna
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Stefan Potyra ha scritto:
| with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD
thesis (good
| luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional
| member(s)?
|
| motu-sru, what do you think?

Recently, motu-sru queue has grown a bit, since developers focused on
fixing Hardy packages which weren't touched in time for the release.

Also, I'm mostly offline because my ISP hasn't restored my DSL line yet
(it's been more than a month... hope to have good news soon), so I guess
having more members can help to review outstanding bugs and to sponsor
packages in -proposed.

We also talked about the possibility to improve SRU policy for
universe/multiverse packages to allow new bugfix releases go into
- -proposed (and -updates as well), but we need to check with Technical
Board and with stable releases managers (pitti or slangasek).

Regards,

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