Re: [Ubuntu-phone] web-app https://appear.in/ not asking permissions for cam and mic

[Peter Bittner]

Would be interesting to know how many people have Appear.in actually
working on their Ubuntu Touch devices.

This can be verified by simply visiting https://appear.in/test-drive
with your phone's or tablet's web browser.

The Appear.in WebApp used to simply open the website
https://appear.in, nothing more. Though, in version 0.4 I added a
`--user-agent-string` override [1], because it was reported that
Appear.in would ask for and insist on downloading the Android app for
Appear.in. (This may have other, yet unknown, unpleasant
side-effects.)

We finally have an Appear.in developer lead in a conversation on
GitHub [2], so everyone interested in getting video calling to work
properly on UT is invited to hop on the train and offer themselves as
testers with their UT devices.

Cheers!

[1] https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/blob/master/appear-in.desktop#L6
[2] https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/3


2017-01-22 10:07 GMT+01:00 Matthias Apitz:
> El día Sunday, January 22, 2017 a las 09:54:12AM +0100, Matthias Apitz 
> escribió:
>
>> El día Saturday, January 21, 2017 a las 11:00:46AM +0100, Costales escribió:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I created this bug: https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/3
>> >
>> > I just changed the user agent in the package (/opt/...) to my same
>> > user agent in desktop:
>> > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0
>> > Empty screen anyway.
>> >
>> > I tried in the browser (OTA15 stable MX4) https://appear.in/test-drive
>> > and this is the
>> > log (empty screen too):
>> > http://paste.ubuntu.com/23838449/
>> >
>> > This project is really interesting, because it's getting a real and
>> > good videoconference in our devices :)
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Please, can someone from Canonical or from Appear.in please read this
>> thread and comment there or here by mail:
>>
>> https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/3
>>
>> I will file a bug issue in LP.
>
> Filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-core/+bug/1658439
>
> matthias

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] web-app https://appear.in/ not asking permissions for cam and mic

[Peter Bittner]

Sorry everyone,

I'm not actively monitoring the mailing list anymore. Got notified via
GitHub at https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/3

I've added the suggested change that makes the webapp-container set
the user agent to the one of the desktop Chromium Web Browser, and
released a new version of the WebApp. This is the change:
https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/blob/master/appear-in.desktop#L6

Please, try updating the app on your phone to see whether it now
works. (I don't have UT installed anymore, so I can't test it myself,
sorry!)

Cheers, Peter


2017-01-12 10:50 GMT+01:00 Matthias Apitz :
> El día Wednesday, January 11, 2017 a las 01:14:47PM +0100, Olivier Tilloy 
> escribió:
>
> ...
>> > Can you help me to understand this. Thanks
>>
>> appear.in is using the user-agent string¹ to present different content
>> based on what it guesses the OS is. In that case it incorrectly thinks
>> it’s android (because the UA string exposed by webbrowser-app contains
>> a "like Android" token). It therefore presents an android-specific
>> link which will open the appear.in android app if installed, or most
>> likely redirect to the play store to suggest installing it if not.
>> There is a mechanism for webapps to override the default user agent,
>> so I was suggesting that the author of the appear.in webapp (Peter
>> Bittner, CC'ed here) should use it to "fix" the webapp.
>> Happy to help testing or do further investigation if needed.
>
> Thanks for the enlightenment.
>
> Peter, is there something to config or patch (even with a hex editor) to
> get this running on my beloved BQ E4.5?
>
> Thanks
>
> matthias

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan for Ubuntu Phone in 2017?

[Peter Bittner]

I think it takes more than "fixing bugs" to make a successful phone
platform. I've proposed a solution to a problem that a lot of people
face, presumably, today in a world of hectic chatting and information
exchange [1]. Sadly, not a single comment from a single Canonical
employee on it, even though it has a few votes, so there is general
interest.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747

It feels like Canonical has gone back to do what they love to do: Make
good user experience for an operating system. A system that boots up
faster than any Linux before and has a desktop manager that feels
good, because it has elements borrowed from OS X and other nice
goodies. This is just not the same as "we do something that no-one has
done before". It's probably a people problem: Canonical can do things
well only where they have proven they're good at for years.

The problem I see with "the community should do the rest" is that
coming up with such a central decision of building an infrastructure
for communication exchange (as in my proposal) is a big and risky
endeavor: All the effort you put in would be for nothing with a
Canonical saying "we're not interested" or a Canonical not responding
at all. Felipe De La Puente has written in another thread [2] that
communication plugins should build on Telepathy. But clearly,
Canonical should take the lead, make implementing plugins
super-straightforward and promote it, so larger companies listen up.
Make it a hype. Just like they do for Snappy.

[2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22870.html

I really want Ubuntu Touch, or Personal - or whatever.

I used to show off my bq Aquaris E5 to everyone, but I figured it was
limiting me too much in getting my daily endeavors done. Just a Gmail
web app and and finally a working calendar is just not enough. If
there were "convergence" in the sense of "my browser shares its
settings, bookmarks, passwords, ... with my desktop" and an easy,
built-in way of setting up file synchronization with my desktop
machine that would be something to help me feel being helped in
getting my business done.

Now I have an ugly, pretty slow Android system on my bq Anquaris E5
that does all the things that help me feel connected (I need to use
Slack, not Telegram, I have to use that horribly distracting WhatsApp
even though I hate it as hell, and it's friggin' helpful to use a
working video telephony on my phone, damn!, with whatever platform -
Hangouts, Viber, Skype, Slack, you name it). The Android UI is
horrible, ugly, and quite slow. And apps are crap, many of them
bloated with ads. It makes my bq feel more a "plastic device" than it
was with Ubuntu. I really really do NOT want Ubuntu to be such a
platform, with a shedload of apps you constantly have to switch from
and to, back and forth. Apps are stupid, get over it.

I'm checking regularly on the Ubuntu Phone mailing list if there is
some progress that makes me confident to make the switch back, but
nothing. Not even a new phone on the horizon, no vision any more, all
faded away. Just advertising for "please repackage your webapps with
Snappy". Oh great, I feel so empowered (yawn). Canonical really makes
me sad.

Peter


2016-11-19 14:09 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente :
> Hi,
>
> I would say that the currently expected way to achieve this is by
> implementing telepathy plugins, and may be in the future the platform could
> be opened to be user configurable with respect of which plugins it uses for
> different types of communication (text, voice, video). Of course this allows
> for multiple alternatives for each communication type, setting priorities
> and so on.
>
> Right now, the standard telephony voice data flows through the ofono plugin
> of telepathy.


2016-12-16 6:50 GMT+01:00 mark :
> Hi
>
> All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code for all
> devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the experience in
> all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite happened yet, and that so
> far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own thing, but surely,
> tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and snaps: i.e. there's
> going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop etc) soon. But more than
> that: so long as Canonical continue with convergence, the phone (and
> everything else) will always be part of it.
>
> i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last Christmas
> was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see. Well, that
> arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of the M10. :/
>
> f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps. New devices
> from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe other flavours
> of UT.
>
>
> m
>
>
> On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
>
> Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for your work.
> Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
>
> I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP)

[Ubuntu-phone] Run a Django website on Ubuntu Touch. [tags: Python, http.server, Django, runserver, PIL, Pillow]

[Peter Bittner]

Developers,

does anybody know about attempts to get simple Django websites running
on Ubuntu Touch?

I'd love to migrate a website project from an old-school carry-around
cube computer, with an access point attached, to a mobile phone or
tablet with decent horse power. Currently, a client of us takes that
project/computer to fairs to have customers play a quiz game on
tablets in their booth.

It should be sufficient to run a fully-fledged Python distribution on
the phone. Not sure about the PIL library for image processing.
Installing that is sometimes an issue due to system dependencies. But
really, isn't the phone a full convergent device already?

I'd be happy to build a snap or whatever it takes with a Django
website project skeleton to deploy such projects on a phone. Just a
Python http.server (`python -m http.server`) / Django runserver
(`python manage.py runserver`) with SQLite as a database, which is
shipped with Python, would be sufficient. No web proxy, such as Nginx,
needed to start with.

And port 80 should be able to be exposed to the outside world. With
the phone running as access point. That would be nice.

Any feedback greatly appreciated,
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How to change dialer-app?

[Peter Bittner]

Hi Ali,

> I want to change dialer-app project for UbuntuTouch to add a voice
> encryption when calling. How I can read, change and build the project?

That would be nice, I'm wondering how easy it will be for you to get
your changes into the core app.

I've proposed a generic API for 3rd-party solutions and developers to
easily plug in into core functionality. Maybe it's a good idea to jump
right into a discussion here. There will be more attempts like yours
from more developers - that mostly vanish given the barriers we have
today.

- https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747  (Please, everyone,
vote "Yes, it affects me" if you care about this idea!)

Ubuntu Touch could be a truly open platform, easy to extend, yet still
beautiful and solid. Better than other platforms, with the user in
mind - not the profit in the first place.

Also, I'd love to hear some feedback from Canonical about this. It
won't be possible without them.

Peter

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[Ubuntu-phone] Nextcloud box with 1 TB HDD (only?)

[Peter Bittner]

There were some rather exciting news on the Ubuntu Devices Newsletter
[1] today. Spotlight: Nextcloud, the reborn ownCloud, is now offered
as a plug-and-play box for your living room.

[1] 
http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=56dac47c206ba0f58ec25f314&id=95cfe09215&e=54c87c95b3

Finally, there could be an alternative to being dependent on Google
accounts, Apple iCloud, WIndows oneDrive, and their continuously less
transparent services! This can and hopefully will enhance the user
experience for savvy Ubuntu Phone users who self-host their contacts,
calendars, notes and stuff.

Though, there is one more thing: Why is it offered only with a 1 TB
HDD? - Why not 2 TB or more? And is it actually super-silent and low
energy? (If not, why?)

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dualboot for bq Aquaris E5 (Android + Ubuntu Touch)

[Peter Bittner]

2016-09-27 3:00 GMT+02:00 achba...@gmail.com:
> Please write the system requiredment / specification to install ubuntu touch.
> is there self installation without pc connection?
> I know its possible to do install ubuntu from device rooted

I have flashed my Ubuntu Edition device from a Dell XPS 13 Developer
Edition running Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS, a USB cable and the software
offered by bq's support website (as described below). I have flashed
bq's Android image onto my bq Aquaris E5, I have not tried the reverse
yet, though I guess it works pretty much the same way.

I'm not familiar with (Android) rooted devices and in-place flashing.
If you know it is possible you know more than me.

Peter


P.S.: Everyone, let me emphasize again that as soon as you have Ubuntu
Touch installed you can get more out of it using Marius Quabeck's
magic-device-tool. It's a collection of shell scripts that allows you
to install different Ubuntu channels, the OpenStore and modded
versions of Android.
https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/


> 26 Sep 2016 7.00 AM, Peter Bittner menulis:
>>
>> I managed to flash Android on the by E5, but not dual boot. There is
>> no way to dual boot from a bq phone with MultiROM at the moment. Meizu
>> phones are not supported either. See the description of the PlayStore
>> item for a list of supported devices.
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr
>>
>> Here is what I did for flashing, for everyone interested, step by step:
>>
>> 1.) Download the Linux flash tool from
>> https://www.bq.com/en/support/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition/support-sheet
>> 2.) Unpack it, run `chmod 755 flash_tool flash_tool.sh`
>> 3.) Download Aquaris E5 HD firmware from
>> http://www.bq.com/de/support/aquaris-e5/support-sheet
>> 4.) Create folder "2.0.1_20150623-1830_bq-FW", unpack the zip file's
>> content into it
>> 5.) Shut down the Ubuntu phone
>> 6.) Attach the USB cable to the computer (not the phone yet!)
>> 6.) Start flash tool with `sudo ./flash_tool.sh`
>> 7.) Look up the "Scatter file" from the "2.0.1_20150623-1830_bq-FW" folder
>> 8.) Select "Firmware Upgrade" in the "Download" tab
>> 9.) Press the big "Download" button, then attach the USB cable to the phone
>> 10.) Wait as long as the yellow progress bar advances, then detach the USB 
>> cable
>> 11.) Boot the phone - the first boot takes more than 10 minutes!
>>
>> (Corresponds to the Linux branch of the How-to at
>> http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/)

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Circle on the lock-screen

[Peter Bittner]

Good news!

I've created a separate bug report for the "API and plugins" idea.

- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1627753 ("Greeter should
be a scopes app (showing specific scopes)")

Please cast your vote ("Yes, it affects me") if you like the idea.

Peter


2016-09-19 18:14 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner :
> Sam,
>
> bug #1544670 [1], as I wrote and read it, is a frontend-facing UX
> ticket, and technology-wise it's about an API design. The plugins I
> list are just examples.
>
> All these examples are only possible to implement after, first, UX has
> made and approved their UI+UX design, and second, Canonical has taken
> a decision to start the implementation and document the API for us
> developers. Afterwards everyone is free to do some hacking, or file
> bug reports as supportive action or preparation for the actual
> implementation. You're welcome to do so now already, of course - at
> the price of reworking them later. The first must-have plugin would
> have to be the mandatory emergency calling.
>
> That's all there is about this ticket.
>
> In the end you're right. Everything in this ticket that points to
> discussions about a "Circle design" should be moved to a new "Circle
> design plugin" ticket. Or the API design could be moved to a separate
> ticket, and this one rewritten specifically to a "plugin request". I'd
> prefer to see authoritative comments from Canonical on this topic
> first, though.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670
>
>
> 2016-09-19 12:52 GMT+02:00 Sam Bull :
>> On Mon, 2016-09-19 at 11:31 +0200, Peter Bittner wrote:
>>> Sadly enough, this idea is nothing new in fact.
>>
>> That's not an idea, that's about a dozen ideas. I would recommend
>> splitting those into different bug reports, with a single feature
>> request for each thing. Some appear to be feature requests, and may
>> already be implemented (such as unlock with PIN, fingerprint scan
>> etc.). Others appear to be requests for specific kinds of APIs to be
>> exposed for developers, which could be added to the existing APIs (such
>> as the existing ability to add messages into the circle).
>>
>> But, there are many very different requests you've listed, and each
>> should be tracked separately, in my opinion.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIP phone, VoIP telephony integrated in Ubuntu Touch?

[Peter Bittner]

I've taken the time to create a bug report for a generic concept of
unified communication. If we had an API that allowed to just plug in
external services into the Ubuntu Touch platform then adding VoIP
telephony and proprietary protocols (Skype, Viber, WhatsApp,Slack,
etc.) would just be plugins!

See https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747 ("generic API for
communication and data exchange")
(As usual, please cast your vote in the bug ("Affects me too!") if you
want this idea become true!)

Peter


2016-09-12 17:53 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner:
> Hi folks, everyone interested in VoIP and SIP on Ubuntu Touch,
>
> this is just an update, or a reminder, for everyone who wants to see VoIP,
> SIP and proprietary protocols (Skype, Viber, WhatsApp, etc.) fully
> integrated in Ubuntu Touch.
>
> If you care about this, please cast your vote at bug #1533104 (VOIP) to make
> our voices heard:
> - https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1533104
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
> 2015-10-26 22:02 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente:
>>
>> Hi Tiago,
>>
>> That's actually very good news! It has been a while since I did my
>> experiments, and I'm glad the system is going in this direction.
>>
>> The point you mention about integrating audio streaming into the telephony
>> stack is probably what the reason of my silent (after answering) incoming
>> SIP calls. I didn't dedicate time to investigate the root cause but it makes
>> sense.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Felipe.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Tiago Herrmann wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> we have been working on improving our messaging/telephony stack to
>>> allow integration with the native apps via telepathy. That is the
>>> goal.
>>> Some of the work (at least for messaging) is already present on silo 25.
>>> IIRC in order to support SIP properly in dialer-app we need to handle
>>> audio streams in the telephony stack (which we don't need to do
>>> currently for regular phone calls). We managed to do some experiments
>>> in the past as a proof of concept and it seemed to work. There is
>>> still work to be done, but we will eventually get there.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Felipe De La Puente wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm also looking for a native integration of any communication
>>> > protocol,
>>> > especially SIP. I did a bit of investigation and experiments when I
>>> > moved to
>>> > ubuntu-touch. SIP native integration is actually pretty close to be
>>> > there.
>>> >
>>> > During my experiments I installed telepathy-sofiasip (rakia) in order
>>> > to
>>> > setup my SIP account and have it integrated to the telephony-service,
>>> > then
>>> > added the SIP protocol to the whitelist in telephony-service and I was
>>> > able
>>> > to receive the incoming call notification/ring alerts.
>>> >
>>> > A similar approach was used for my google-talk account in order to
>>> > receive
>>> > text messages with similar success (the messages are received without
>>> > issues).
>>> >
>>> > At this point I realized it was possible but didn't dedicate time to
>>> > make it
>>> > a complete solution (be able to send messages and make calls + a clean
>>> > UI
>>> > integration). I need to try it again and move forward but haven't had
>>> > time
>>> > yet.
>>> >
>>> > My ideal solution is to have user customizable prioritized
>>> > multi-protocol
>>> > support for both calls and messages. For that I would like to use the
>>> > messaging core app (messaging), the dialer core app (for calls) and the
>>> > contacts core app for having unique contacts with prioritized
>>> > multi-protocol
>>> > credentials.
>>> >
>>> > +1 for integration instead of having multiple apps for
>>> > messaging/calling.
>>> >
>>> > Best Regards,
>>> > Felipe.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dualboot for bq Aquaris E5 (Android + Ubuntu Touch)

[Peter Bittner]

I managed to flash Android on the by E5, but not dual boot. There is
no way to dual boot from a bq phone with MultiROM at the moment. Meizu
phones are not supported either. See the description of the PlayStore
item for a list of supported devices.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr

Here is what I did for flashing, for everyone interested, step by step:

1.) Download the Linux flash tool from
https://www.bq.com/en/support/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition/support-sheet
2.) Unpack it, run `chmod 755 flash_tool flash_tool.sh`
3.) Download Aquaris E5 HD firmware from
http://www.bq.com/de/support/aquaris-e5/support-sheet
4.) Create folder "2.0.1_20150623-1830_bq-FW", unpack the zip file's
content into it
5.) Shut down the Ubuntu phone
6.) Attach the USB cable to the computer (not the phone yet!)
6.) Start flash tool with `sudo ./flash_tool.sh`
7.) Look up the "Scatter file" from the "2.0.1_20150623-1830_bq-FW" folder
8.) Select "Firmware Upgrade" in the "Download" tab
9.) Press the big "Download" button, then attach the USB cable to the phone
10.) Wait as long as the yellow progress bar advances, then detach the USB cable
11.) Boot the phone - the first boot takes more than 10 minutes!

(Corresponds to the Linux branch of the How-to at
http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/)

Let me note down another useful tool for installing Ubuntu images: (no
dual boot here either)
- https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/

Final comments on my first hours on Android after Ubuntu Touch:

- With Android the bq phone feels so "cheap", a bit childish. It feels
more more valuable with Ubuntu Touch, visually and from the user
experience.
- Yes, you have more options, more apps, more feature, but I feel much
more in danger for both my privacy and what apps do with the phone,
the apps and my data.
- The battery is consumed much faster with Android (there are much
more processes running)

Phone calls on my handset have the same issues as with Ubuntu Touch,
hence it is a hardware failure - my proximity sensor is broken.
(Launchpad bug #1493574)

Peter

2016-09-23 10:07 GMT+02:00 M G :
> Hi Peter,
>
> this guide work also for Meizu MX4?
> I need a dual boot too with Flyme rom and Ubuntu Touch.
>
> Thank you,
> Marco
>
> 2016-09-23 0:18 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner :
>>
>> Alright,
>>
>> I found the information I had been given this summer:
>>
>> > it might work if you use that guide to install android and then from
>> > there install that
>> > multirom app or what its called. you can set up dual boot with ubuntu
>> > with that.
>>
>> - http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/
>> - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr
>>
>> (Thanks, Michael Zanetti!)
>>
>> Enjoy the video in the Play Store! It says Ubuntu Touch is installable
>> just by a single click, but doesn't show it. A Turkish video showing
>> the actual installation from April 2016 is at:
>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKkcKLnb6_c
>>
>> The bq Support website now has the flash tool available for download:
>> - https://www.bq.com/en/support/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition/support-sheet
>> Android firmware for Aquaris E5:
>> - http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/categorias/aquaris-5-hd/
>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9OQovPAbw4
>>
>> The original Canonical way to do dual boot: (says it has been tested
>> and is working on Nexus 4)
>> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
>> Here are some German articles describing the very same thing: (from
>> 2013/2014)
>> -
>> http://www.chip.de/news/Dualboot-Ubuntu-Touch-und-Android-parallel-nutzen_66387009.html
>> -
>> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Installer-zum-Dual-Boot-von-Ubuntu-Touch-und-Android-2072273.html
>> Here are a 2015 and a 2014 blog post in English about it:
>> - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dual-boot-android-ubuntu/
>> -
>> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-on-your-android-device-1577325241
>>
>> I may try this in the next few days. Cross your fingers,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> 2016-09-21 19:03 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner :
>> > I need to install Android on my bq Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Edition phone,
>> > because
>> >   a. I need to verify a hardware issue (proximity sensor), and
>> >   b. I have come to a situation in my work environment that requires
>> > me to have at least one, preferably several of the most popular char
>> > apps fully working (WhatsApp, Viber, Slack, you-name-it).
>> >
>> > I don't want to lose the possibility to follow the developm

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dualboot for bq Aquaris E5 (Android + Ubuntu Touch)

[Peter Bittner]

Alright,

I found the information I had been given this summer:

> it might work if you use that guide to install android and then from there 
> install that
> multirom app or what its called. you can set up dual boot with ubuntu with 
> that.

- http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/
- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr

(Thanks, Michael Zanetti!)

Enjoy the video in the Play Store! It says Ubuntu Touch is installable
just by a single click, but doesn't show it. A Turkish video showing
the actual installation from April 2016 is at:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKkcKLnb6_c

The bq Support website now has the flash tool available for download:
- https://www.bq.com/en/support/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition/support-sheet
Android firmware for Aquaris E5:
- http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/categorias/aquaris-5-hd/
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9OQovPAbw4

The original Canonical way to do dual boot: (says it has been tested
and is working on Nexus 4)
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
Here are some German articles describing the very same thing: (from 2013/2014)
- 
http://www.chip.de/news/Dualboot-Ubuntu-Touch-und-Android-parallel-nutzen_66387009.html
- 
http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Installer-zum-Dual-Boot-von-Ubuntu-Touch-und-Android-2072273.html
Here are a 2015 and a 2014 blog post in English about it:
- http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dual-boot-android-ubuntu/
- 
http://lifehacker.com/how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-on-your-android-device-1577325241

I may try this in the next few days. Cross your fingers,
Peter


2016-09-21 19:03 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner :
> I need to install Android on my bq Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Edition phone, because
>   a. I need to verify a hardware issue (proximity sensor), and
>   b. I have come to a situation in my work environment that requires
> me to have at least one, preferably several of the most popular char
> apps fully working (WhatsApp, Viber, Slack, you-name-it).
>
> I don't want to lose the possibility to follow the development of
> Ubuntu Touch with my own device, so I'm looking into doing a dual-boot
> solution with Android + Ubuntu Touch.
>
> Someone, I think here on the list, this summer has given me some
> specific advice about how to proceed. Unfortunately, I don't find that
> email anymore.
>
> If it were somehow possible to retain the current user data and
> settings of my Ubuntu phone that would be awesome, of course. Some
> advice about which directories to copy off the device before wiping it
> may be sufficient too. Clean installs are cool too, so why not get rid
> of everything, sure.
>
> I've read that Android and Ubuntu Touch (can) share the user data in a
> separate partition, so nothing gets lost between upgrades and data can
> be shared between the systems, reboot required only. Is this correct?
>
> Looking forward to having a ... err ... a more useful phone!   :-]
>
> Peter
>
> P.S.: I'm really enjoying the OTA-13 calendar app, finally with
> multiple (Google) calendars!! Yay!

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[Ubuntu-phone] Dualboot for bq Aquaris E5 (Android + Ubuntu Touch)

[Peter Bittner]

I need to install Android on my bq Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Edition phone, because
  a. I need to verify a hardware issue (proximity sensor), and
  b. I have come to a situation in my work environment that requires
me to have at least one, preferably several of the most popular char
apps fully working (WhatsApp, Viber, Slack, you-name-it).

I don't want to lose the possibility to follow the development of
Ubuntu Touch with my own device, so I'm looking into doing a dual-boot
solution with Android + Ubuntu Touch.

Someone, I think here on the list, this summer has given me some
specific advice about how to proceed. Unfortunately, I don't find that
email anymore.

If it were somehow possible to retain the current user data and
settings of my Ubuntu phone that would be awesome, of course. Some
advice about which directories to copy off the device before wiping it
may be sufficient too. Clean installs are cool too, so why not get rid
of everything, sure.

I've read that Android and Ubuntu Touch (can) share the user data in a
separate partition, so nothing gets lost between upgrades and data can
be shared between the systems, reboot required only. Is this correct?

Looking forward to having a ... err ... a more useful phone!   :-]

Peter

P.S.: I'm really enjoying the OTA-13 calendar app, finally with
multiple (Google) calendars!! Yay!

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Keyboard usability

[Peter Bittner]

I've seen more keyboard layouts and a new keyboard indicator coming in
with OTA-13. So, is there any update on the development status of the
keyboard?

There are at least 3 bugs open for alternative methods of text input:

"Feature: T9 Layout"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545683

"Feature request: gesture keyboard"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1484801

"Add speech input, voice input, dictate function for keyboard"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545714

Is there an API already that would allow third-party applications to
plug in into the phone's keyboard?

Is there a chance that any of those 3 features are implemented before
the end of this year?

(Once again, anyone caring for those bugs please cast your vote and
select "Yes, it affects me" on top of each bug report!)

Cheers, Peter


2016-02-15 14:22 GMT+01:00 Peter Bittner :
> I've added two other bug reports. Please click "this bug affects me", 
> everyone!
>
> "Add speech input, voice input, dictate function for keyboard"
> - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545714
>
> "Swype'ish input on keyboard (for entering text faster)"
> - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545716
>
> Peter
>
>
>> That's a nice idea. I've added a bug report there:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545683
>>
>> Anyone interestet pls click on "this bug affects me".

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

Sorry about being a conspiracy theorist!  ;-)  The comments on the
blog are obviously closed automatically after a few weeks. (The usual
hint on this - important for UX! ,-) - is gone, maybe for aesthetic
reasons -- the conspiracy is haunting us again, yay!)

Sad thing, I would have really liked to add something meaningful to
the discussion.

Cheers, Peter


2016-09-19 18:43 GMT+02:00 Peter Bittner :
> I'm reading the comments on
> https://design.canonical.com/2016/05/colour-palette-updates/ and I'm
> wondering how the comments ended up on that page. Can I or someone
> else add more comments, or is this take for an external source?
> (Twitter?) -- All the positive voices sound rather selective, a bit
> like propaganda to me. Don't get me wrong.
>
> I think that "semantic meaning" is indeed imperative. That the
> aubergine / purple has vanished in the new palette for a light color
> (that is comparably hard to read, IMHO) is a bit striking though. I'd
> like to support that observation with a comment of mine in the blog
> post.
>
> Interestingly, the Ubuntu Design website [1] *does* list the aubergine
> / purple. Which content is more up-to-date, the blog or the Design
> website? (I recall reading that the latter is scheduled for being
> updated.)
>
> [1] https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter
>
>
> 2016-05-20 14:37 GMT+02:00 Rae Shambrook :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just to let you know, we have now published a blog post about the new
>> palette: https://design.canonical.com/2016/05/colour-palette-updates/
>>

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

I'm reading the comments on
https://design.canonical.com/2016/05/colour-palette-updates/ and I'm
wondering how the comments ended up on that page. Can I or someone
else add more comments, or is this take for an external source?
(Twitter?) -- All the positive voices sound rather selective, a bit
like propaganda to me. Don't get me wrong.

I think that "semantic meaning" is indeed imperative. That the
aubergine / purple has vanished in the new palette for a light color
(that is comparably hard to read, IMHO) is a bit striking though. I'd
like to support that observation with a comment of mine in the blog
post.

Interestingly, the Ubuntu Design website [1] *does* list the aubergine
/ purple. Which content is more up-to-date, the blog or the Design
website? (I recall reading that the latter is scheduled for being
updated.)

[1] https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette

Kind regards,
Peter


2016-05-20 14:37 GMT+02:00 Rae Shambrook :
> Hi all,
>
> Just to let you know, we have now published a blog post about the new
> palette: https://design.canonical.com/2016/05/colour-palette-updates/
>

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Circle on the lock-screen

[Peter Bittner]

Sam,

bug #1544670 [1], as I wrote and read it, is a frontend-facing UX
ticket, and technology-wise it's about an API design. The plugins I
list are just examples.

All these examples are only possible to implement after, first, UX has
made and approved their UI+UX design, and second, Canonical has taken
a decision to start the implementation and document the API for us
developers. Afterwards everyone is free to do some hacking, or file
bug reports as supportive action or preparation for the actual
implementation. You're welcome to do so now already, of course - at
the price of reworking them later. The first must-have plugin would
have to be the mandatory emergency calling.

That's all there is about this ticket.

In the end you're right. Everything in this ticket that points to
discussions about a "Circle design" should be moved to a new "Circle
design plugin" ticket. Or the API design could be moved to a separate
ticket, and this one rewritten specifically to a "plugin request". I'd
prefer to see authoritative comments from Canonical on this topic
first, though.

Peter

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670


2016-09-19 12:52 GMT+02:00 Sam Bull :
> On Mon, 2016-09-19 at 11:31 +0200, Peter Bittner wrote:
>> Sadly enough, this idea is nothing new in fact.
>
> That's not an idea, that's about a dozen ideas. I would recommend
> splitting those into different bug reports, with a single feature
> request for each thing. Some appear to be feature requests, and may
> already be implemented (such as unlock with PIN, fingerprint scan
> etc.). Others appear to be requests for specific kinds of APIs to be
> exposed for developers, which could be added to the existing APIs (such
> as the existing ability to add messages into the circle).
>
> But, there are many very different requests you've listed, and each
> should be tracked separately, in my opinion.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Circle on the lock-screen

[Peter Bittner]

Hi everyone who loves Ubuntu phone,

I've just updated bug #1544670 on Launchpad. Because it makes me sad
to see no movement for an idea we've discussed with dedication.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670

A quick summary:

Instead of providing a hard-wired circle design (that some people
wouldn't want)  we should have an API for the greeter app. Via this
API we, as developers, could provide applications / plugins / addons
(whatever you want to call it) that provide:

- attaching background images, videos, animations to the greeter
- showing information about music being played
- listing notifications that have come in
- unlocking via a pin code
- unlocking via a gestures (circle, swiping, etc.)
- unlocking via fingerprint scan, iris scan, face recognition, DNA
whatever (near-term sci-fi stuff)
- unlocking via remote commands and devices (e.g. via smart watch,
near-field communication, etc.)
- placing emergency phone calls (included by default for regulatory
reasons, obviously)
- etc.

This way the "circle design" could be totally optional, and it could
be easily provided by fans of this idea in the Ubuntu community. It
would also lead to a flexible, future-proof, clean design and
implementation. Only the basis should be provided by "the platform",
Ubuntu Touch.

Sadly enough, this idea is nothing new in fact. The competitors that
we play catch-up with, don't they do it this way, adding app updates
to the locked screen? And, to anticipate critics, there should be
nothing wrong with providing updates also via the greeter app, apart
from the notification area. The greeter could theoretically be
interfacing with the notifications. It could even be made a user
choice whether to show updates in the greeter only, the notification
tray, the audio tray, or all (default).

Please add your thoughts to bug #1544670 on Launchpad. Also, cast your
vote if you haven't already. ("Yes, it affects me")

Cheers, Peter

P.S.: Which one is the correct source code repo for the greeter app
used on Ubuntu phone?
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/unity-greeter/wily/files
??


2016-02-11 18:41 GMT+01:00 Peter Bittner :
> Dedicated to all fanboys and fangirls of the Ubuntu phone circle design:
>
> I've added a new feature request (bug report) in Ubuntu-UX:
>
>   "Unique lock screen design w/ circle gestures to unlock"
>   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670
>
> Please, everyone who cares about a beautiful, useful, awesome
> circle-design lock screen / greeter app for the Ubuntu phone, please
> vote for this feature request by clicking the "This bug affects you"
> link on top of the bug report page (right below the title). You have
> to be logged in to do that. Create a Launchpad account if you don't
> have one already, it's worth the effort.
>
> Thanks everyone for listening and helping to make our opinions heard,
> Peter
>
>
>
> 2015-11-02 11:41 GMT+01:00 Ivo Xavier :
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> One feature to add could be the "long press". What's this? Well, the current
>> behavior is "double-tap" in order to view our statics of usage of the
>> phone/apps. What if a "long-press" functionality was added?
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> 1) "No music listen today" --> "long-press" --> Music app opens;
>>
>> Then the lock screen becomes also a "shortcut" to the apps (music,
>> phone,..).
>>
>> I don't know if this "request" is in the right place but here it goes
>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1495549)
>>
>> Big hug to all!
>>
>> Ivo Xavier

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIP phone, VoIP telephony integrated in Ubuntu Touch?

[Peter Bittner]

Hi folks, everyone interested in VoIP and SIP on Ubuntu Touch,

this is just an update, or a reminder, for everyone who wants to see VoIP,
SIP and proprietary protocols (Skype, Viber, WhatsApp, etc.) fully
integrated in Ubuntu Touch.

If you care about this, please cast your vote at bug #1533104 (VOIP) to
make our voices heard:
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1533104

Cheers, Peter


2015-10-26 22:02 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente :

> Hi Tiago,
>
> That's actually very good news! It has been a while since I did my
> experiments, and I'm glad the system is going in this direction.
>
> The point you mention about integrating audio streaming into the telephony
> stack is probably what the reason of my silent (after answering) incoming
> SIP calls. I didn't dedicate time to investigate the root cause but it
> makes sense.
>
> Best Regards,
> Felipe.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Tiago Herrmann <
> tiago.herrm...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> we have been working on improving our messaging/telephony stack to
>> allow integration with the native apps via telepathy. That is the
>> goal.
>> Some of the work (at least for messaging) is already present on silo 25.
>> IIRC in order to support SIP properly in dialer-app we need to handle
>> audio streams in the telephony stack (which we don't need to do
>> currently for regular phone calls). We managed to do some experiments
>> in the past as a proof of concept and it seemed to work. There is
>> still work to be done, but we will eventually get there.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Felipe De La Puente
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm also looking for a native integration of any communication protocol,
>> > especially SIP. I did a bit of investigation and experiments when I
>> moved to
>> > ubuntu-touch. SIP native integration is actually pretty close to be
>> there.
>> >
>> > During my experiments I installed telepathy-sofiasip (rakia) in order to
>> > setup my SIP account and have it integrated to the telephony-service,
>> then
>> > added the SIP protocol to the whitelist in telephony-service and I was
>> able
>> > to receive the incoming call notification/ring alerts.
>> >
>> > A similar approach was used for my google-talk account in order to
>> receive
>> > text messages with similar success (the messages are received without
>> > issues).
>> >
>> > At this point I realized it was possible but didn't dedicate time to
>> make it
>> > a complete solution (be able to send messages and make calls + a clean
>> UI
>> > integration). I need to try it again and move forward but haven't had
>> time
>> > yet.
>> >
>> > My ideal solution is to have user customizable prioritized
>> multi-protocol
>> > support for both calls and messages. For that I would like to use the
>> > messaging core app (messaging), the dialer core app (for calls) and the
>> > contacts core app for having unique contacts with prioritized
>> multi-protocol
>> > credentials.
>> >
>> > +1 for integration instead of having multiple apps for
>> messaging/calling.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Felipe.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Felipe De La Puente
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'm also looking for a native integration of any communication
>> protocol,
>> >> especially SIP. I did a bit of investigation and experiments when I
>> moved to
>> >> ubuntu-touch. SIP native integration is actually pretty close to be
>> there.
>> >>
>> >> During my experiments I installed telepathy-sofiasip (rakia) in order
>> to
>> >> setup my SIP account and have it integrated to the telephony-service,
>> then
>> >> added the SIP protocol to the whitelist in telephony-service and I was
>> able
>> >> to receive the incoming call notification/ring alerts.
>> >>
>> >> A similar approach was used for my google-talk account in order to
>> receive
>> >> text messages with similar success (the messages are received without
>> >> issues).
>> >>
>> >> At this point I realized it was possible but didn't dedicate time to
>> make
>> >> it a complete solution (be able to send messages and make calls + a
>> clean UI
>> >> integratio

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] No updates - still on OTA11

[Peter Bittner]

Interesting, the update popped up after I had switched the "Download
automatically" option to "Always" (instead of "WiFi only"), and
manually checked for updated again twice. Is this related to roaming,
by mistake or by design, maybe?

Seems strange anyway. To me it's more probable that someone at
Canonical headquarters has silently touched a switch to enable the
update finally for everyone!  ;-)

Have a happy summer everyone!   B-)
Peter


2016-08-01 9:54 GMT+02:00 Julia Palandri:
> Updates are delivered gradually to all users within a span of 24 hours, but
> at this point all should have received the updates.
>
> If you didn't, did you ever make your system writeable? This can make you
> not receive system updates.
>
> Best,
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Peter Bittner  wrote:
>>
>> I'm on bq Aquaris E5, and I get app updates but no platform updates,
>> i.e. no OTA-12 either.
>>
>> Does the delivery of OTA-12 depend on geographical regions or
>> countries, maybe? Because I'm outside of my usual geographical region
>> atm.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> 2016-07-30 18:38 GMT+02:00  Gareth France:
>> > Is there some sort of block on OTA 12 for the M10 tablet? Mine isn't
>> > showing
>> > any updates.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] No updates - still on OTA11

[Peter Bittner]

I'm on bq Aquaris E5, and I get app updates but no platform updates,
i.e. no OTA-12 either.

Does the delivery of OTA-12 depend on geographical regions or
countries, maybe? Because I'm outside of my usual geographical region
atm.

Peter


2016-07-30 18:38 GMT+02:00  Gareth France:
> Is there some sort of block on OTA 12 for the M10 tablet? Mine isn't showing
> any updates.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Voice call whit Skype (web) finnally work in Meizu MX4 - OTA-11

[Peter Bittner]

I really don't think it helps a lot to complain about _apps_ missing
for Ubuntu Touch here on the mailing list. Proprietary solutions will
have to come either from community programmers (as clones) or the
related companies themselves. For the former ones Loqui ([1], [2]) is
one of the most promising I've found at least from the look and feel,
once it works on UT some time in future.

[1] http://hosted.loqui.im/
[2] https://github.com/loqui/im/labels/ubuntu-touch

BUT: What Ubuntu Touch should really care about is:

  a) integrating existing, non-proprietary technology for doing
communication (voice and video calls, messaging), and
  b) provide easy integration points (a plugin infrastructure) for
providers of proprietary solutions (Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, Slack,
etc.), including push notifications

For (a) this is like creating an "Ubuntu Facetime" based on SIP or
XMPP technology, but fully integrated into the telephone app.
Topic (b) is actually the foundation for providing (a). In the end we
should have communication devices capable of connecting to all and
everything (instead of app-driven pocket computers as of today).

I really want to do calls transparently from and to any service
(Ubuntu to Ubuntu via SIP or XMPP, WhatsApp, Skype, Appear.in, Viber,
... and even normal phone calls) from a beautiful (Ubuntu) smart
watch, say, next year. I really don't want to deal with opening apps,
entering credentials, checking for messages and online statuses of
contacts. I just want to connect my (social) accounts a single time
when doing the setup, maybe even with an Ubuntu Single-Sign On, and
the whole platform makes it a breeze to do easy, ideally
cost-optimized, communication.

This is what I see as convergence. Converge everything into a single
platform. Handle the time-consuming (app handling) efforts for me. I
don't want to sit in cafés and on the beach staring at my smart phone
like everyone else. Let's aim for the future. A future where phones
and computers are not _between_ us hindering real-life exchange
between people, but supporting us in getting things sorted with "no"
effort.

The "Show contact details from social accounts" and "VoIP" tickets are
a start for this:
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1535755
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1533104

(Thanks for all the votes! Please continue to click on "Affects me
too" if you care about one of those tickets.)

Peter


> On Fri, 2016-07-22 at 09:49 -0500, mark wrote:
>> From reading comments left on different forums, it would seem that
>> the absence of WhatsApp in particular seems to be a deal-breaker to
>> the adoption of Touch for many... Perhaps if there was a version of

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Voice call whit Skype (web) finnally work in Meizu MX4 - OTA-11

[Peter Bittner]

Voice and video call with services is fine for a start, but Ubuntu
should really make a difference and provide an integrated approach to
communication.

As a user you may only use a single service, such as Skype, but it's
probable that you also communicate with WhatsApp, Hangouts or Viber
(at least one of them in addition). Why not provide a plugin
infrastructure, so 3rd-party communication providers (like Skype,
Viber, WhatsApp, SIP providers in general, etc.) could integrate into
the phone's communication interface (phone app) natively?

I think we have discussed this idea in the past on this list. One
feature request somewhat related to this discussion is "Show contact
details from social accounts":
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1535755

We should have another ticket to specify the integration of calling as
such. This one could be a start, "VoIP":
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1533104

(Please click on "Affects me too" if you care about one of those tickets.)

Peter


2016-07-13 21:55 GMT+02:00 Marco Graziotti:
> Hi list,
>
> after these announcements:
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/13/a-new-skype-for-ubuntu-alpha-available-now/?utm_source=ubunteu&utm_medium=url_shortner&utm_term=5rSi8Q&utm_campaign=shortner
> and this
> https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299
> I've just tryed to make a call with skype on MX4 (web version by Peter
> Bittner https://uappexplorer.com/app/skype.peter-bittner ), and it works,
> only voice calls for now, but WebRTC API works good with OTA-11 inside a
> webview.
>
> Have Canonical a plan to release an official Skype app? right now the Peter
> Bittner web app it's a good compromise.
> Someone have tested this new Skype features?
>
> Cheers,
> Marco

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What’s new in webbrowser-app in OTA-12 ?

[Peter Bittner]

Oliver,

I don't see any australia option with `webapp-container --help`. Is this
option just missing on the help screen?

Anyway, I've added the option to the Exec line of the desktop file and made
a new release for the appear.in app. Can anyone confirm that this version
(0.3) is working correctly? Or is the own image still upside-down in
portrait mode?

Peter


Am Montag, 11. Juli 2016 schrieb Oliver Grawert :
> hi,
> Am Montag, den 11.07.2016, 17:25 +0200 schrieb Wayne Ward:
>> Glad its front facing camera, just sad its upside down :(
>>
> just start the app with --no-australia-mode
>
> ;)
>
> ciao
> oli
>

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

2016-04-26 16:56 GMT+02:00 Alan Bell wrote:
> there is another palette
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/

Understandable that there is some application development specific
guide, but why that so so much off the brand style?

> It doesn't use the warm grey or cool grey either, in fact I think the only
> overlap between that and the brand colours is the orange (which didn't, but
> now does appear in both). I don't have any specific dislike of any of the
> colors, but it does seem somewhat less of the distinctive and quirky Ubuntu
> feel and a bit more generic and anonymous. That could well be the intended
> change if it is what the carriers and handset vendors want to sell.

That's seriously funny. It almost makes me laugh when I look at it
again. The colors are sooo off-topic, it's almost scary. I believe you
can make semantic coloring also when you mix the major carrier brand
colors together: Vodafone red for active, T-Mobile pink for status
updates, O2 blue for normal text, Hutchinson orange for warnings,
Cosmote green for success messages.

Has anyone ever thought about color-blind people? How are they going
to distinguish between the #3EB34F grass-green, #ED3146 scary-red,
#19B6EE pale-lightblue and #E95420 Ubuntu orange?

Seriously, all puns here are intended. This is not a bold, creative
decision. This is seriously broken color scheme design. And not the
way you make semantic colors for the general public. While the brand
color palette is seriously professional this one is not. It's
ridiculous, I'm sorry. Someone should speak up and explain what is
wrong here inside the department.

There are people out there that care about the future of Ubuntu Touch.
That's why there is this rant. And I apologize if some people,
hopefully the right ones, are offended by this post.

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

Hi, I've noted the broken images too.

But more importantly, I don't find any blue or blueish on the page.
Does that mean this has changed again? That would be great news! (For
consistency and style, not for my ego! :-) )

Or is there some other palette for Ubuntu Touch specifically, which
generously ignores this palette?

Peter


2016-04-26 15:49 GMT+02:00 Alan Pope :
> On 26 April 2016 at 14:41, Jamie Young  wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Just a quick note to say that we have now written a brief piece about the
>> change to the orange on the design blog:
>> https://design.canonical.com/2016/04/ubuntu-orange-update/
>>
>> And we've updated the design guidelines here:
>> https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
>>
>
> Thanks for the post and update. Unfortunately there's now a bunch of
> broken images on the page.
>
> https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
> contains embedded images such as:-
> https://design.canonicalwebteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/orange.png
> Which is broken.
>
> Cheers,
> --
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

2016-04-26 11:27 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti:
> Rae already replied, didn't she?

Not on my request, did she? And there were quite a few people chiming in.

> It's open source after all, if you *really* can't stand it, you can edit
> /usr/lib/arm-gnueabi-hf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/1.3/Palette.qml
> and change the colors yourself in there...

Hmmm, probably you're right. We shouldn't care whether Canonical and
their Ubuntu Touch platform are heading towards success. Everyone
should do their own project. Sure.

Not everybody is a lonesome cowboy though, are you?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

Hi there,

is there any feedback from the Canonical design team?

I'd really really love to see the original Ubuntu colors come back.
Even reverting would be fine. An OTA-11 with still the blueish colors
will make me suffer.

Has there any decision been taken, or at least discussions been had?

Would be lovely to hear from you guys and gals,
Peter


2016-04-11 23:04 GMT+02:00 Randall Ross  :
> I have to agree with Peter. The blue looks like a design oversight. Upon
> first seeing it my first instinct was to file a bug.
>
> There are colours related to orange that could have the same
> "attention-getting" effect and that do not collide with the brand colours.
>
> How about a glowing orange? i.e. something that has a lot more yellow in
> it. It could resemble the colour of an incandescent light-bulb, almost
> yellow with an orange hue, and bright enough to be obvious.
>
> Cheers,
> Randall.
>
> On 04/11/2016 01:42 PM, Peter Bittner wrote:
>> After some days with OTA-10 I must admit I have a hard time accepting
>> light-blue is the new orange.
>>
>> When the security bugfix release was installed today my phone rebooted
>> and there it was again, the good old Ubuntu splash screen in violet
>> shades and an orange progress bar, and later orange progress dots.
>> That was a relief. For a few moments.
>>
>> Really, the light blue doesn't fit. It doesn't fit with the brown /
>> violet theme of Ubuntu in general. It's an awkward color, cold and
>> without life. Sorry to say, but pretty much the opposite of "Ubuntu,
>> humanity to others". (Some may not agree, but I feel it's worth
>> defending a Status Quo that was "working perfect".)
>>
>> I really waited for quite some time before expressing an opinion about
>> the color. I thought I may get used to used to it or "give it a
>> chance", but I think it's also fair to say the "truth" (as in "true
>> feelings"). I don't want to hurt anyone, but a feedback should go to
>> you guys and ladies. Look at the color palette on [1]: The light-blue
>> is the one the strikes out as totally off-topic, followed (at some
>> remarkable distance already) by green and even solid-red. It's about
>> feeling harmony. No, that's not working out. That's not the beauty
>> that the press was always appraising about Ubuntu Touch (which I felt
>> almost exaggerated, but obviously it's a value worth conserving). This
>> color palette must be revised.
>>
>> Sorry for the rough speech. Please go over it again, discuss it. Please!
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-07 12:25 GMT+02:00 Rae Shambrook :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is Rae from the design team. I understand the new palette may take some
>>> getting used to. But what we've tried to do is create a colour palette that
>>> works in a smarter way and is more robust. If you haven't seen it already,
>>> here is a breakdown of how the new palette works:
>>> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
>>>
>>> As for your concerns about components being blue rather than orange, the
>>> reason why we have removed a lot of orange from the UI is that we now want
>>> it to be a focus state and blue is meant to be the selected/active state.
>>> Before we had orange doing both these functions and each colour should have
>>> it's own meaning. And we feel the blue works better for the selected/active
>>> state as it feels more intuitive as a colour representing activity, while
>>> orange could sometimes be confusing as what it's supposed to represent. So
>>> basically, we've tried to make all our colours semantic.  While orange is
>>> still our brand colour, we want to use it in a more concise way, while other
>>> colours take on more meaning in the UI, and hopefully, this will make it a
>>> lot more intuitive for the user.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:22 AM, war  wrote:
>>>> today I received OTA 10.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just one complaint (well, suggestion):
>>>>
>>>> The color of the progress bar and of certain elements (namely the
>>>> selection of telephone SIMs for outgoing calls).
>>>>
>>>> I know this seems ridiculous to complain about. But for me, color is a
>>>> significant indicator and as I have gotten used to the orange the blue
>>>> is harder to read/recognize and it is a break in vi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Apps I would like ....

[Peter Bittner]

There is a feature request for this (or similar) on Launchpad:

- https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1533104

Everyone interested in a fully integrated approach on the phone please
vote for the bug ("Also affects me"), add your comments, or adapt the
description.

Peter


2016-04-20 16:17 GMT+02:00 Felipe De La Puente:
> In fact, focusing in a SIP app doesn't look like the right approach. As
> Scott mentioned, the telephony service has all the bits needed for
> supporting SIP, and the natural solution would be to add a SIP account to
> the phone, and handle it from the dialer-app with contacts integration.
>
> As an initial approach it could be handled like a multi-SIM phone, while a
> next phase should consider prioritized communication channels per contact so
> that the phone is able to pick-up the default comm channel for a contact
> when the user wants to make a call.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Gmail notifications

[Peter Bittner]

As one of the thousands of victims of Gmail notifications on Ubuntu
Touch I would like to file (or start a discussion on) a suggestion:

I really don't want to disable notifications in general (and in Gmail
*only*, specifically) just to make my Ubuntu phone more quiet. Yet
still I can't leave it alone for more than a few hours without then
having to cope with a huge list of notifications that I then,  of
course, simply clear. Always living the danger of having overlooked
some serious notification that I should have seen (e.g. a text
message, Telegram, whatever).

What if Ubuntu Touch turned the list of plain notifications into a
categorized list (a list of categories of notification or message
type) intelligently? It could look "normal", as now, for just a few
notifications (say, until 3 of the same type), and turning into
somewhat this when exceeding that limit "acceptable" for a pleasurable
user experience:

 (icon)  21 Emails  (Gmail)
 ()  (excerpt of the first or last few emails)
 ---
 (icon)  109 Messages  (Telegram)
 ()  (excerpt of the first or last few messages)
 ---
 (icon)  Honey  (text message)
 (wife)  Please also get some milk at the supermarket
 ---
 (icon)  Bank Austria Service  (text message)
 ()  TAN for transaction #6891234: ...

Alternatively, at least the emails should be grouped in threads, so
the list will grow less fast. I know this is not easily solved given
the fact that notifications are fire-and-forget weapons (at the
moment). But there should be a way to make this happen.

If you seriously get more than 20-30 message per day displayed on your
phone as notifications you start doing nothing but baby-sit your
Ubuntu Touch device. I don't think this is a good strategy in the long
run. This may seriously backfire in a platform comparison of
 one day. Also, I have the
impression the notification panel starts lagging when I press the
"clear all" link (or what it is) with more than 15 notifications in
the list; it really takes a moment, makes me sometimes tap on the
screen another time.

Any thoughts on this idea / problem yet to solve?
Peter


2016-04-09 2:14 GMT+02:00 Francisco Pina Martins:
> Did anyone else notice a "strange" behaviour of Gmail notifications?
> Ever since updatng to OTA10, I now get notified not only for emails on my
> "Primary" inbox, I also get notifications for the "Social", "Promotions",
> "Updates" and "Forums" inboxes.
> This means my phone is almost constantly notifying me of stuff.
> Is this a feature or a bug? If it is a feature, can I revert it somehow?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Request: Add “Report a Bug"

[Peter Bittner]

> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers

I've always felt this is the canonical source at Canonical:  (funny
pun intended!  :-) )

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components

I used to update that page. Unfortunately, both pages are now
"Immutable". Hence, it's impossible to add a cross-link from one to
the other (without having to go through the procedure of a bug
report).  :-(

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Peter Bittner]

After some days with OTA-10 I must admit I have a hard time accepting
light-blue is the new orange.

When the security bugfix release was installed today my phone rebooted
and there it was again, the good old Ubuntu splash screen in violet
shades and an orange progress bar, and later orange progress dots.
That was a relief. For a few moments.

Really, the light blue doesn't fit. It doesn't fit with the brown /
violet theme of Ubuntu in general. It's an awkward color, cold and
without life. Sorry to say, but pretty much the opposite of "Ubuntu,
humanity to others". (Some may not agree, but I feel it's worth
defending a Status Quo that was "working perfect".)

I really waited for quite some time before expressing an opinion about
the color. I thought I may get used to used to it or "give it a
chance", but I think it's also fair to say the "truth" (as in "true
feelings"). I don't want to hurt anyone, but a feedback should go to
you guys and ladies. Look at the color palette on [1]: The light-blue
is the one the strikes out as totally off-topic, followed (at some
remarkable distance already) by green and even solid-red. It's about
feeling harmony. No, that's not working out. That's not the beauty
that the press was always appraising about Ubuntu Touch (which I felt
almost exaggerated, but obviously it's a value worth conserving). This
color palette must be revised.

Sorry for the rough speech. Please go over it again, discuss it. Please!

Thank you for your understanding,
Peter


2016-04-07 12:25 GMT+02:00 Rae Shambrook :
> Hi,
>
> This is Rae from the design team. I understand the new palette may take some
> getting used to. But what we've tried to do is create a colour palette that
> works in a smarter way and is more robust. If you haven't seen it already,
> here is a breakdown of how the new palette works:
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
>
> As for your concerns about components being blue rather than orange, the
> reason why we have removed a lot of orange from the UI is that we now want
> it to be a focus state and blue is meant to be the selected/active state.
> Before we had orange doing both these functions and each colour should have
> it's own meaning. And we feel the blue works better for the selected/active
> state as it feels more intuitive as a colour representing activity, while
> orange could sometimes be confusing as what it's supposed to represent. So
> basically, we've tried to make all our colours semantic.  While orange is
> still our brand colour, we want to use it in a more concise way, while other
> colours take on more meaning in the UI, and hopefully, this will make it a
> lot more intuitive for the user.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:22 AM, war  wrote:
>>
>> today I received OTA 10.
>>
>>
>> I have just one complaint (well, suggestion):
>>
>> The color of the progress bar and of certain elements (namely the
>> selection of telephone SIMs for outgoing calls).
>>
>> I know this seems ridiculous to complain about. But for me, color is a
>> significant indicator and as I have gotten used to the orange the blue
>> is harder to read/recognize and it is a break in visual information
>> transfer.
>>
>> Maybe you want to reconsider changing the color scheme.
>>
>> Other than that, I am pretty impressed (My Android phone broke on
>> Upgrade to V6).
>>
>> Is there an official way to give feedback (there used to be a feeback
>> app which I cannot find anymore)?
>>
>> Wolf Rogner

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Camera access and camera / video image in webbrowser

[Peter Bittner]

What does that mean? There is no plan to offer (useable) WebRTC
implementation in webapp-container ever?

With your reference to the the web API you basically say the only way
is to implement things ourselves using JavaScript, correct? We cannot
easily integrate existing services that already have a substantial
user base, and a working, well-tested infrastructure?

This feels somewhat like "try to persuade Skype that they make their
web version work on Ubuntu Touch". Other companies may be smaller but
they will have the same reasons to shake their heads. There is no
incentive to invest manpower in tailoring solutions to Ubuntu Touch. I
think the Ubuntu Touch platform has to move.

And, sorry, what is wrong from a user (experience) perspective to
offer more control over which camera an app should use? This feature
shouldn't be hidden inside the browser's settings menu, buried three
levels deep where only freaky geeks will go to find it.

I'd really prefer this issue not being ignored that way.

Peter

2016-04-07 17:15 GMT+02:00 Olivier Tilloy:
> This is tracked by https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535818, which once
> fixed in oxide will allow webapps to offer a piece of UI to switch
> between front and back camera. There’s currently no plan to offer such
> a feature in the webapp container itself, given the existence of the
> web API.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Camera access and camera / video image in webbrowser

[Peter Bittner]

Good! Even better, then all there is missing is switching cameras.

Olivier, how is this planned to be implemented? IIRC, there is a
camera selection in the permission dialog planned, which is really not
the same as a "switching cameras" feature. Because you cannot switch
camera after you have started the app.

Thank you,
Peter


>> This isn't a bug. The mirroring is done by appear.in with "transform:
>> rotateY(180deg)" on the video element style. This is common for video
>> conferencing sites which assume that the camera being used is a front
>> facing camera, where mirroring is desirable.
>
> Also note this only happens in what you see (basically so it looks like
> a mirror for you - easier on the brain) - the remote end sees it without
> mirroring.

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[Ubuntu-phone] Camera access and camera / video image in webbrowser

[Peter Bittner]

Hi all,

thanks for OTA-10, has (sort of) fixed some things for me. Most
importantly the camera access in the webapp-container, which is now
available.

Unfortunately, the changes has introduced at least one new bugs in
both the webbrowser-app and the webapp-container: (documented for the
appear.in app at [1])

- The video image is mirrored for some reason (at least on my bq E5).
This seems to be a general problem of the changes introduced to the
webbrowser-app.

[1] https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/1#issuecomment-206779226

This also could mean that WebRTC is generally broken in the
webbrowser-app showing a mirrored camera image instead of a regular
one (as before OTA-10). Is this bug tracked already on LP?

Please note that camera selection in webapp-container is also still
missing in OTA-10, which is a critical feature WebRTC powered webapps.
I hope this really really comes to the platform with OTA-11. Sweet
video calling in an app may be something people on Ubuntu Touch may
have been waiting for (and who cares if it's not Skype when it works
better anyway).

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom Box and Syncing

[Peter Bittner]

The Enigma box is actually such a solution: ownCloud is available pre-installed.

- https://en.enigmabox.net/

Peter


2016-04-06 14:29 GMT+02:00 Wayne Taylor :
> Just a quick thought:
>
> I've always imagined a free version of a Pogoplug to solve the whole
> sync discussion with ubuntu phone.
>
> http://freedomboxfoundation.org/
>
> Something like Owncloud running on one of these that just kind of
> 'works' with low power.  Syncs up your photos, videos, contacts,
> calendar and maybe connects with mom's and best friends freedom box to
> allow for multiple off-site backup of said personal data.
>
> Something plug-and-play but not running through a website like pogoplug...
>
> just a quick thought...
>
>
> --
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bq screen

[Peter Bittner]

OMG, Mitchell!

Drop your phone in the dust bin and have bq give you a new E5 for the
cost of shipping! Your odyssee is impossible, just feels like
something that makes you suffer with every single episode you watch!

bq, are you reading this? Stop this marketing nightmare and send a
free upgrade to Mitchell.

(Note, I am a happy E5 owner. No hardware issues for almost a year. I
of course have extra protection using an awesome FREITAG sleeve [1],
Made in Switzerland. May make a difference.)

Cheers, Peter

[1] http://www.freitag.ch/media/fundamentals/f28#


2016-04-04 3:49 GMT+02:00 Mitchell Reese :
> Differed issue than I thought - for some bizarre reason, the y axis seems to
> be flipped... i.e., in order to unlock the phone (), I need to hit the
> bottom left of the screen to recognise it as a touch input for the 1.
> Doesn't seem to be anything I can manually reverse to make this happen.
> Anyone with experience in this? Might call BQ later today...
>
> Mitchell
>
>
> On 04/04/16 09:50, Mitchell Reese wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks, trying to fix my bq 4.5 - finally received a new
>> screen/digitiser to fix the old one.
>>
>> Have replaced it, and now touch input doesn't work properly - can only tap
>> a few points of the screen. Any idea how I can troubleshoot this? Assuming
>> the issue is my install, rather than a faulty digitiser, which I have no way
>> of checking.
>>
>> On a side note, have been on Android the last few weeks - not a bad
>> experience, but the ui feels clunky when compared to my bq with Ubuntu. Even
>> with many things in touch still being implemented, the overall experience
>> for me in touch is much better than Android. Here's hoping I can fix my bq!
>>
>> Mitchell
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What’s new in webbrowser-app in OTA-10 ?

[Peter Bittner]

What about video support in the webapp-container? [1]  Or is this
considered not to be part of the webbrowser-app?

And what about switching between the rear and front camera in the
webapp-container? This is a critical feature, and partly discussed in
[2].

Peter

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1554202
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trust-store/+bug/1554149


2016-04-04 12:52 GMT+02:00 Olivier Tilloy :
> Hi all,
>
> With the release of OTA-10 just around the corner, I figured I’d take
> a few minutes to publish a list of the most significant changes in the
> browser app since OTA-9 (Łukasz feel free to re-use for the release
> notes):
>
> [Touch]
>  - Touch selection controller to allow selecting/copying/pasting of web 
> content.
>
> [Convergence]
>  - The browser is now a single-instance app on desktop: invoking it in
> a terminal with a URL will raise the existing window and open a new
> tab instead of launching another instance of the app.
>  - When a mouse is connected, turn the bottom edge hint into a
> clickable bottom edge bar.
>  - Added keyboard navigation support to all views in phone layout.
>
> [Misc]
>  - Added video-specific actions to the contextual menu (save video,
> and open video in new tab).
>  - Removed the "Allow opening new tabs in background" setting.
>  - React to low memory situations by unloading background tabs to
> (hopefully) free up some memory. This removes the hardcoded upper
> limit of 2 live webviews at any given time on devices.
>
> And a heap of bug fixes.
> Anyone interested in details, have a look at the bzr history for
> lp:webbrowser-app, revisions 1328 to 1390.
>
> Happy web browsing!
>
>  Olivier

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] FitnessTracker

[Peter Bittner]

Marcin,

can you add an issue (feature/app request) to
https://github.com/cyberb/uapps/issues, please?

I know, not the most obvious place and most promising list, but at
least a list where we already have some "please, developers, get your
hands dirty if you feel like" requests gathered.

Thanks bunches,
Peter


2016-03-27 13:48 GMT+02:00 Marcin Xc:
> Hi
>
> I just tested another fitness device. My first choice was FitBit mostly
> because of the app in ubuntu phone.
> I was pretty disappointed that I still need Android to synchronize my
> tracker with the internet account. FitBit One in short: expensive, low
> accuracy, expensive.
> As I lost my FitBit which I didn't like because of low accuracy, I bought a
> JawBoneUP move. Three times cheaper and perfect accurate. What's more they
> offer pretty good developer support:
> https://jawbone.com/up/developer
>
> If someone would  someday write an app for ubuntu phone, please do it for
> the best and not most expensive like Garmin, FitBit or Polar. I just gave my
> JawBone as a present and again have no tracker. If anyone will or is
> developing an app for a fitness tracker I can help with pleasure. Either I
> can buy myself another jawbone and we're gonna do it for a jawbone or I can
> buy myself something else for a test purposes. But I'm delighted with
> jawbone. It's a very good choice, cheap, popular, supported by many services
> as myfitnesspal or strava.
>
> Cheers
>
> GTriderXC

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[Ubuntu-phone] Settings app crashes when selecting a Service number in Phone > Services

[Peter Bittner]

I've noticed the following bug in the Phone Service number selection
of the Settings app since OTA-9.1:

- In Phone > Services page when I select a Service number which is a
phone number then the Settings app hangs, and crashes after
approximately a minute.

Is this bug known?

I've included it as an acceptance criterium and as a comment in bug
#1496891, 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1496891

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Maps.me

[Peter Bittner]

Wow, that sounds cool!

I'd love to see this as an app running natively (offline) on Ubuntu Touch.

Anyone ever tried compiling for UT?

Peter


2016-03-20 10:50 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Tataradziński:
> Hello,
>
> I've used a lot of free navi apps (open source or not). For me, best shots
> are Google Maps (but we can't port it now) and Maps.me - which has offline
> maps/finding routes/POIs and it works great.
> What do You think about that?
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/2358
>
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Difficulty Sending Messages to this List (was Re: (no subject)

[Peter Bittner]

Have them check whether they use the same, identical email address for
posting messages that they have subscribed with.

I'm 99% sure this is the problem.

It's like faxes. Why the hack do people lift the receiver and then
hang up when they hear the fax signal? Probably because the system is
not intelligent enough to not let them lift the receiver when a fax is
coming in. (That would be the actual solution. And the phone shouldn't
even ring.)

I think when you are a software developer or a manager you should be
able to understand the underlying problem. But of course, subscription
to mailing list is an old-fashioned thing that just works. Just that
it was not designed to times when everyone has 3 or more different
email addresses. Welcome to 2016!

Difficult to fix. At least difficult to quick-fix.

Peter


2016-03-18 17:42 GMT+01:00 Randall Ross  :
> I'm wondering how widespread this issue is...  I've had two friends this
> week tell me that although they can receive ubuntu-phone messages, they
> cannot post. Is this a case of over-aggressive spam filters, or perhaps a
> moderation queue issue?
>
> Can the list admin investigate?
>
> Cheers,
> Randall.
>
> On 03/18/2016 09:18 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm only forwarding ;)
>
> "
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Marcin Hofmann 
> Date: 2016-03-17 18:01 GMT+01:00
> Subject: Mailing list bug
> To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
>
>
> I do not know if You noticed that lots of messages from this mailing list
> land in a spam folder of our e-mail boxes? The way we communicate does NOT
> work! How are we expected to create a better world when the communication
> chain is broken? A few days ago I sent a message with a problem that nobody
> answered. As I found out later someone found my message by mistake in spam.
> Wouldn't it be a better to make a forum with a clear topic list so no of our
> messages are gone and so that we can easily find some old information, sent
> months ago that we now badly need? If I were I manager in a company like
> Canonical I'd ban using mailing list. The spam filters nowadays are to
> strong and block important information.
>
> Cheers
>
> GTriderXC
> "
>
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] (no subject)

[Peter Bittner]

The "forum" is here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/maillist.html

Of course there could be a nice user interface, including an
accessible search feature, but messages are archived and can be read
later in time.

Most of the SPAM identified by *my* Gmail account is from Yahoo. I
believe the explanation says it's something about a wrong setup of the
mail client (maybe mail not sent via Yahoo mail servers).

Peter


>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: *Marcin Hofmann* 
>> Date: 2016-03-17 18:01 GMT+01:00
>> Subject: Mailing list bug
>> To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
>>
>>
>> I do not know if You noticed that lots of messages from this mailing list
>> land in a spam folder of our e-mail boxes? The way we communicate does NOT
>> work! How are we expected to create a better world when the communication
>> chain is broken? A few days ago I sent a message with a problem that
>> nobody
>> answered. As I found out later someone found my message by mistake in
>> spam.
>> Wouldn't it be a better to make a forum with a clear topic list so no of
>> our messages are gone and so that we can easily find some old information,
>> sent months ago that we now badly need? If I were I manager in a company
>> like Canonical I'd ban using mailing list. The spam filters nowadays are
>> to
>> strong and block important information.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> GTriderXC

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[Ubuntu-phone] Can't buy app via Ubuntu Store

[Peter Bittner]

Hi there,

I'm finally ready to buy my first app and pay real money on the Ubuntu
Store. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work. The payment process
hangs after I enter my "Ubuntu One password". Here's what I do:

- Go the the Ubuntu Store via the Apps scope (at the end of the screen)
- Scroll down until I see the app (or search for it, doen't make a
difference) and tap on it
- See the details of the app, and tap on the orange amount button
- The payment app loads (displays "Zahlung" in German, and the US$
amount to pay)
- Enter the password I use for https://login.ubuntu.com/ (below my
read-only email address), the payment type is PayPal (cannot be
changed; note that I don't have PayPal)
- Tap on the orange "Pay now" button
- Modal dialog is displayed ("Wird geladen ..." / "Bitte warten ..."
i.e. Please wait in German)

Then the payment app obviously hangs.
Here's what the syslog says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15376312/

Because the dialog is modal over the Scope app there is not even a way
to kill the dialog / payment app via the phone screen. I have to
restart the phone using the hardware button.

Oh, I just figured that on https://pay.ubuntu.com/payment/ I have 4x
the very same payment pending. Outch!  :-)

Any clue what's going on and how I can fix this? How can I give money
to Canonical? :-)

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What about calling to several people?

[Peter Bittner]

For video conferencing there is also appear.in, which works fine in
the oxide browser (try https://appear.in/test-drive). Not in the
webapp-container yet. This is a bug that is being worked on, IIUC. See
https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/issues/1 for details and if you
want to follow updates on the issue.

Peter


2016-03-09 11:54 GMT+01:00 Alan Bell:
> (2) Is there any way to make video call with someone? If not, where I can
> find bug/feature reported at launchpad.net for that?

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[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Touch smart watch "convergence design"

[Peter Bittner]

I just wanted to share an interesting thought we came up with jokingly
on the "Ubuntu Social" Telegram group.

"""
Interesting idea: Think smart watch! -- What would the UI of a round
Ubuntu Touch smart watch look like? I'm saying, when you reduce your
phone's screen to the size of a smart watch. Probably like ... the
circle lock screen? Ahhh!

What if the circle lock would look like an actual wrist watch face?
Convergence down to the size of a smart watch. Be inspired by the
beautiful design of Huawei smart watch.
http://consumer.huawei.com/minisite/worldwide/huawei-watch/
"""
Source: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670

tl;dr

Ubuntu Touch could run on a smart watch one day with a very natural
continuation of the Ubuntu Touch design: the circle design of the lock
screen.

Wouldn't that be nice?
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] is this a new calendar app (-version) ?

[Peter Bittner]

Actually, this is an issue for me too.

The organisation of all my family duties is fundamentally based on
different calendars for each of us (every kid has its own calendar, we
parents have our calendars, and we have a common calendar for things
we do as a family together such as weekend trips and holidays). All
these calendars are added as an external resource to my calendar and
the one of my wife.

Now, due to the non-functionality of the calendar app I'm not using
the calendar app at all. What saves me is the Google Mail web app,
which provides a decent view on my daily agenda. I have to be online
for this to work though (actually, it partly even works offline for
read access, probably caching, very nice indeed). Without that I'd
have to use a second phone to avoid having to carry a laptop around
with me all day. Hence, not "critical" but very, very annoying.

Just to add something nice, my 1st-gen iPad supports multiple Google
calendars, but the sync'ing is a chaos. Partly, I have some events
twice in my calendar because it's shown as "part of *my* calendar"
_and_ additional calendars of my kids. So, not even there it's working
flawless. Anyway, a working calendar is something that is absolutely
necessary. When I also want to mix in my business calendar how do I do
that? Get another phone? Come on!

Peter


2016-03-08 8:45 GMT+01:00 i...@carakas.be:
> Sorry, shouldn't have responded so hard, had a bad day, my apologies.
> I had been looking forward to this for a while, got excited when there 
> finally was a landing day in sight, and this was the final drop at the end of 
> a heavy day.
> Won’t happen again.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

I've added another bug report for an issue with switching cameras
(rear vs. front):

"Switching cameras requires web page reload in webbrowser-app, not
available in webapp-container"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1554244

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

I've added a bug report for the non-working camera access in a webapp-container:

``[webapp-container] No access to video provided despite policy_group
"camera" in .apparmour file``
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1554202

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ E4.5: keyboard/mouse per bluetooth

[Peter Bittner]

Does it work with: Systemeinstellungen > Sprache & Text > Tastaturbelegungen  ?


2016-03-07 20:05 GMT+01:00 Matthias Apitz:
> I got the BT keyboard/mouse device today and it peers fine with the
> E4.5. The only problem I have is, it is German QWERTZ layout and I do
> not know how to change this in the Ubuntu BQ E4.5. Normaly in Ubuntu
> desktop you can change this, or in FreeBSD, in KDE, etc. How this must
> be done in the BQ E4.5, mayne with some command from phablets shell.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] is this a new calendar app (-version) ?

[Peter Bittner]

Oh, this is nice! I wished the weekly view in the calendar app
looked like this.

Also the monthly view needs similar improvement. Can't wait for this to happen.

I've found a few related bugs:

- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1473682
(Scrolling in Week view is confusing)
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1473065
(re-scale calendar in week view)
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1451549 (Show
whole working day on day/weekview)
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1479277 (month
view is uninformative)

Please vote for those bugs you care about!

Peter

2016-03-07 16:58 GMT+01:00 Lukas Baubkus:
> https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/91d3d632-beautiful-features.jpg?w=1500
>
> looks nice, or is this just for promotion?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

Mat,

2016-03-06 14:05 GMT+01:00 Matthew Paul Thomas:
> There are supposed to be separate permissions for “Camera”,
> “Microphone”, and “Video recording”. “Video recording” includes the
> microphone, because making them separate would be pointless.
> 

The "camera" permission is obviously what you refer to as "Video
recording" in the table of the the App permissions section of the Wiki
article you refer to. Because there is no (or seems to be no)
"video_recording" permission on [2]. Also, the camera app doesn't list
any other relevant permission than "camera" in its source code [5]. Or
is there something missing in the docs?

Experimenting I've even tried to add (almost) all permission to the
web app's .apparmour file (e.g. [6]), but to no avail. Who can tell
whether we face a bug in the `webapp-container` (or somewhere else) or
why there is no trust-store dialog popping up for "camera" in a web
app?

Peter

[2] 
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/#Usage-1
[5] 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/camera.apparmor
[6] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15319903/

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Browser audio will stop if screen is locked or app is switched

[Peter Bittner]

Thanks for the hint, Ratchanan.

2016-03-05 16:44 GMT+01:00 รัชนันท์ ศรีรัตนเมธ:
> Maybe you should try using
>
> Exec=env OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO=1 qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml
>
> Or
>
> Exec=/usr/bin/env OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO=1 qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml

No, unfortunately the same as with all the other attempts. The command
crashes or terminates almost immediately. The syslog says:

Mar  5 22:56:52 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [22605.960837]type=1400
audit(1457215012.740:318): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec"
profile="orf-total.peter-bittner_orf-total_0.5" name="/usr/bin/env"
pid=20227 comm="exec-line-exec" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x"
fsuid=32011 ouid=0

Same as for the python driven solution:

Mar  5 23:00:45 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [22838.882688]type=1400
audit(1457215245.660:319): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec"
profile="orf-total.peter-bittner_orf-total_0.5"
name="/usr/bin/python3.4" pid=21718 comm="exec-line-exec"
requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=0

This is what the plain `qmlscence` call adds to the syslog in
comparison: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15300308/

Any other idea anyone?
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Browser audio will stop if screen is locked or app is switched

[Peter Bittner]

Still trying to make audio available to `qmlscene` (as alternative to
`webapp-container`).

2016-03-04 9:39 GMT+01:00 Olivier Tilloy:
> All the --enable-media-hub-audio parameter does in the webapp
> container is set the value of the OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO
> environment variable to 1. AFAIK there’s no way to do that in pure
> QML, but with a lightweight C++ wrapper for your app, you could

Is there no easier way to provide an environment variable, other than
creating a C++ binary?

I've tried the following in the web app's .desktop file, unfortunately
all without success:

   Exec=OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO=1 qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml

   Exec=bash -c "OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO=1 qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml"

   Exec=python3 -c "import
os;os.environ['OXIDE_ENABLE_MEDIA_HUB_AUDIO']='1';os.system('qmlscene
%u qml/Main.qml')"

For comparison, this is the original, working Exec line in the .desktop file:

   Exec=qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml

Do I really have to provide an (architecture dependent) binary?
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Browser audio will stop if screen is locked or app is switched

[Peter Bittner]

I've noticed that there is no mention of the
"--enable-media-hub-audio" in the developer documentation online [1],
hence I've submitted a bug report [2] to have the related section
updated. If you know of any other options that should be listed please
add them to the bug report. Thank you!

[1] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/web/ubuntu-webapps-guide/
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1553489

BTW, it's not possible to run `webapp-container --help` neither in the
Terminal app nor in a terminal session when logged in onto the mobile
phone via SSH. The output is:

   $ webapp-container --help
   Loading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0'
   UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check
that a Mir server is
   running, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible.
The shell may have
   rejected the incoming connection, so check its log file
   Aborted (core dumped)

Looks like the webapp-container requires a working Mir server
connection even for the `--help` command line option.This should not
be like this I feel. Where should I report this as an issue?

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

Oli,

2016-03-05 12:02 GMT+01:00 Oliver Grawert:
> a missing apparmor block is one thing, but apps that can access
> hardware without you knowing by prompting at the first access is
> definitely a critical bug.

No, there is no prompt for microphone access in the web app. In the
plain browser there is a prompt which says, "Allow this domain access
the camera and microphone" (the final part even cut off in the German
translation). BTW, is this a joint permission, or is this request
combined "manually" in a single dialog for UX reasons?

Looks like this is really a (security) bug, because even the plain web
browser can access the microphone when you deny the permission to
access camera and microphone. You can try at e.g.
https://appear.in/test-drive on your Ubuntu phone. I've reported it at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1553482

Okay, that's one thing. Now, what about the web app? How can I make
the permission dialog pop up in the web app?

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

I'm having trouble with allowing a web app to access the phone's camera.

This is something that is working fine in the default web browser, but
the webapp-container doesn't seem to pick up or accept the
policy_groups defined in the apparmor file [1]. `click-review`
complains about 3 policy_groups, including the "camera", even though
the documentation [2] mentions them as legitimate:

   $ click build .
   [...]
   Now executing: click-review ./appear-in.peter-bittner_0.2_all.click
   Errors
   --
- security_policy_groups_webapp (appear-in.apparmor)
   found unusual policy groups: connectivity, camera, microphone,
keep-display-on
   [...]

[1] https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/blob/master/appear-in.apparmor#L5
[2] 
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/#Usage-1

 I've submitted the web app the the Store nonetheless, and after a
manual review [3] is has been released. Anyhow, the web app refuses to
show the access permission dialog to the user which pops up correctly
in the plain web browser on the phone.

What's wrong here? Is this a bug in the webapp-container? Or is access
to the camera only available for Qt apps?

Side note: Interestingly, access to the microphone has always been
possible, even without the "microphone" policy_group (I noticed this
in version 0.1 of my web app [4]). Not sure whether this is a bug or a
feature.

[3] https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4646/rev/2/
[4] https://github.com/bittner/appear-in/blob/0.1/appear-in.apparmor

Thanks in advance for any hints,
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Browser audio will stop if screen is locked or app is switched

[Peter Bittner]

Cool, that actually works with web apps, sweet!  Now I've enabled
sound-always-on in 2 of my apps, nice! [1,2]

Oli, is this feature also available with your ogra container? In
another web app I'm using the qmlscene executable [3]. Any easy method
the get audio working with the media-hub here too?

Peter

[1] 
https://github.com/bittner/radio-dot-net/blob/master/radio-dot-net.desktop#L6
[2] 
https://github.com/bittner/swiss-radio-player/blob/master/swiss-radio-player.desktop#L6
[3] https://github.com/bittner/orf-total/blob/master/orf-total.desktop#L5


2016-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Oliver Grawert:
>> Is --enable-media-hub-audio working now? Have tried in the past and
>> wasn't available. Great if it's usable now.
>>
> definitely works with my laut.fm webapp (actually since quite a while
> already) ...

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[Ubuntu-phone] Adjusting camera settings in a Web app

[Peter Bittner]

Dear Canonical,
Dear Appear.in,

I'm trying to turn Appear.in into a Web app for Ubuntu Touch, for true
video conversations "with up to 8 people for free." It works in Ubuntu
Touch's default browser, but for a Web app there are a few things I
need to be able to control:

1.) [Canonical] By default the browser uses the rear camera. This can
be changed in the browser menu via Settings -> Privacy & permissions
-> Camera & Microphone. You have to reload the web page afterwards,
the browser does not switch the camera on an open "connection" as it
seems. A bit clumsy, but it's possible. The browser seems to remember
this setting for a while (when closing the browser window in the
meantime), albeit not forever.

   Unfortunately, the menu in the right upper corner next to the
address bar is not available in a Web app (due to the address bar
missing completely, which is on purpose to use all of the available
screen real estate). Is there a way specify which camera should be
used when starting up the web app container, e.g. by a command line
switch or so? If not, I probably have to write a Qt application and
use the API function the web browser application is using, right? Can
you point me to the API documentation?

2.) [Appear.in] The text box on the login screen is somewhat squeezed
on the Welcome screen (https://appear.in/) as soon as you start typing
a room name. This is probably because there is so much text on top of
the screen ("About FAQ Blog Premium") that pushes the input box
downwards while at the same time the screen real estate is reduced
even more by the keyboard pushing upwards. A small CSS issue.

3.) [Appear.in] Appear.in opens a room with the chat box open on the
mobile device browser screen. This is kind of okay, because there is
still half of the screen available for the actual video, but it would
be nice if the chat box could be closed (by default). Is there a query
parameter in the URL that I could use to address this issue, or do you
guys have to work on it?

   [Canonical] Otherwise I'd have to trigger a touch event on the
"minimize chat box" button using JavaScript (or so) is there a way to
do this? Kind of Selenium powered thingy, or via Qt something?

4.) [Appear.in] In case I have to write Qt code I'd love to assist
users in logging in with native input controls. Is there a reliable
way / API to perform the login and query the logged-in state, or do I
have to sniff the HTML and send a usual POST request mimicking the
input form? Same goes for the rooms locked with the user profile, can
they be retrieved via an API function?

   I've read in the FAQs [1] that it's only possible to log in using
the native apps (Android, iOS). Looks like I can't do this either
using the API [2]. Is there any other (official, yet undocumented)
way?

   [1] https://appear.in/information/faq/
   [2] https://developer.appear.in/

5.) [Canonical] Will I be able to use the NPM-driven appearin-sdk in a
(Qt) app? I'll probably have to pack and install this with the app.
The docs in [2] say, "Note that the NPM version requires a
pre-compilation step using something like browserify or webpack to
work."


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store Highlights

[Peter Bittner]

Joe,

shouldn't those suggestions be based on an automatic algorithm (e.g. a
mixture of apps with the highest votes, most downloaded, latest
submissions or updates - for the user's specific region and globally,
maybe)?

I think Roman is pointing that out too (" few 0-star-rated scopes for
Russian sites").

Peter


2016-03-03 10:34 GMT+01:00 Joe Odukoya:
> Hi Roman -
>
> Thank you for getting in touch.
> Firstly which region are you in?
> I admit that we are not as good at changing the hightlights in some regions
> as we are in others (mainly because it is sometimes difficult to know what
> to highlight).
>
> Secondly - if you have some specific suggestions for items that it would be
> worth highlighting then please let us know, we are always open to
> suggestions.
>
> Thanks again for getting in touch.
>
> Cheers
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 March 2016 at 09:31, Roman Shchekin wrote:
>>
>> Hi, folks!
>>
>> Everytime I open Ubuntu Store it shows me very useless "highlights". I
>> even can't call them "highlights", really - few 0-star-rated scopes for
>> Russian sites. They have very poor functionality, and I already seen them.
>> Why I can't see, for example, scopes from Ubuntu Scope Showdown competiton?
>> Exactly they are most popular now and in the spotlight.
>>
>> My question is - why?
>>
>> BR,
>> Roman.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Red/green icons on white background are difficult to distinguish

[Peter Bittner]

There you go, thank you Roberto.

"Hang up and pick up icons difficult to distinguish for color blind people"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1550185

Everyone who cares about this issue please upvote it ("Affects me too").


2016-02-25 17:24 GMT+01:00 Peter Bittner:
> I suggest you file a bug on this at
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+filebug

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Red/green icons on white background are difficult to distinguish

[Peter Bittner]

That's very important feedback. I think icons that depict a
horizontally placed (hung up) and diagonally placed (picked up)
receiver make the action obvious on other platforms.

I suggest you file a bug on this at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+filebug

Peter


2016-02-25 16:47 GMT+01:00 Roberto Carraro:
> Hello,
> red/green icons on white background are difficult to distinguish, especially
> for color blind people.
> For instance in the incoming phone call window I always have to struggle if
> I have to slide to the right or to the left, in order to respond (I am color
> blind).
> It's difficult to distinguish the two icons.
> You should at least choose two different images, one to not pick up the call
> and one to accept it.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Shashlik running Android apps on Linux

[Peter Bittner]

Sorry, I forgot to respond to your second question (and email address).

> And if you can run android apps, why would they be bothered to write a native 
> app.

Maybe for the same reason why not every organization chooses to
implement their apps using Cordova. Because on an attractive platform
I want to offer the best available integration possible. Not a
mediocre, "working one", which could be sufficient to some suffering
user souls though.

Attractive. That was my point in mentioning "differentiation". This
argument has been discussed on the list before.

@Mark Re Tox [2], I think I saw that before. But what (current)
user-facing problems does it solve (apart from Edward Snowden's secure
messaging, which *is* important, acknowledged)? Will my wife stop
bugging me with "can you finally install Wattsup on your damn fone?"

Seriously, integrating all those communication features, including
generic SIP and XMPP, seamlessly in Ubuntu Phone would be awesome.
That would be a very promising way to go, probably.

We don't need extra clients if it's really as advertised, "The
relationship of The Tox Project to Tox is analogous to the Linux
Foundation's relationship to Linux." [3], let's go for integration if
it's that good. What we don't need is another messaging client. We
already have Telegram. And the contacts for our kids' sports
appointments are not on there, unfortunately.

Peter

[2] https://tox.chat/
[3] https://tox.chat/about.html (at the bottom of the page)

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Shashlik running Android apps on Linux

[Peter Bittner]

No, don't get me wrong. I love to run around with a full-blown pocket
calculator that runs the best Terminal app of all mobile platforms.

It's just that my wife is bugging me I need to get one of those odd
messaging apps, with working notifications (even when the app is in
the background), so I can also participate in taking the kids to and
from their sports appointments. Unfortunately, the friggin' PlayStore
(that I'm redirected to, because zillions of websites think I'm
running an Android phone) doesn't install those goodies.

I know, that problem is easily solved. I just need to buy an eye fone
or a device from their main competitors. But I don't want to give up
on my Spanish 5" pocket calculator. Understand?

Peter


2016-02-22 15:30 GMT+01:00 i...@carakas.be:
> Why would you want android apps ?
>
> Most of them won’t work because they rely on google play services or because 
> of the sandbox.
> They would also look out of place. And if you can run android apps, why would 
> they be bothered to write a native app.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Shashlik running Android apps on Linux

[Peter Bittner]

Wow, this is cool news!

It's something like Wine, hopefully a lot closer integration-wise. The
(realistic) goal of the project according to the introductory video on
[1] is to have Android apps available on your desktop (depicted by
icons) and just click on the icons to launch them. No setup and
tweaking of a runtime environment (as now during development). And
Android apps available for installation from any app store. Nice!

Unfortunately (or fortuantely), the project maintainers are
overhauling the code base completely. So, the project is not
"installable" at the moment. The main repositories on GitHub have been
renamed to "*-old" [2, 3]. I've been told on IRC that "realistically
if you want to build it yourslef you're best waiting a few weeks for
me to tidy things up" (d_ed on #shashlik).

Would be awesome if that would work in an integrated fashion on Ubuntu
phone and table, rather soon. That would solve a lot of headaches, à
la "is  going to be implemented
for Ubuntu Phone?". That could do away with the maybe major motivation
for Canonical to focus the catch-up game on the platform instead of
differentiation. (Sorry!)

Peter

[1] 
http://www.shashlik.io/news/2015/07/27/shashlik-project-launches-at-akademy-2015/
[2] https://github.com/shashlik/old-shashlik
[3] https://github.com/shashlik/old-docs


2016-02-22 4:25 GMT+01:00 Jason Daborn:
> Saw this today, maybe useful for Ubuntu Touch?
>
> http://www.shashlik.io/
>
> Jason

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] mailing list

[Peter Bittner]

Actually, I'm getting email from this list here [1], and there are
messages. More than enough, recently.

[1]  https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/

Maybe the mailman thing is just an integration into Launchpad, and the
integration is broken? Just guessing.

Peter


2016-02-22 12:06 GMT+01:00 Cesar Herrera :
> It fails also the page:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net/index.html
> Cheers,
> Cesar

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How to add an extra "account"

[Peter Bittner]

Hi Joachim,

are you referring to something you add via the right upper menu (3
dashes) > Calendar in the Calendar app? Allowing to add an arbitrary
CalDav data source sync with the phone? - That would be great.

Because I'm not seeing immediate responses I suggest you create a bug
report (feature request) in the Calendar App bug tracker first [1] to
make sure this gets attention of Canonical and the responses are
collected in a single place where we can track progress. Looking into
the calendar app's source code [2] could be the next helpful step.

Sorry that I can't be of more help for the moment. As I'm interested
in a working, awesome calendar I want to make sure your motivation
doesn't vanish just because responses are not what you expect to carry
you further. If no-one (more appropriate and knowledgeable than me) is
ready to help you find necessary details I'm ready to explore this
further with you.

Peter

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app
[2] https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app


2016-02-17 10:27 GMT+01:00 Joachim Van der Auwera :
> I have a working conr job which syncs using syncevolution.
> I would be interested in writing whatever is necessary to make it possible
> to configure this for normal people, using screens.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Joachim
>
>
> On 02/16/2016 11:42 PM, Wayne Ward wrote:
>>
>> I have a read me for sync with owncloud which may give some insight im
>> sure its caldav if not then sync evolution is the way to be looking ;)
>>
>> Wayne On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:29:28 UTC, Joachim Van der Auwera
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would be willing to try to write an "account" to allow the calendar to
>>> sync to CalDav data sources.
>>> Is there some guide or sample to get me started?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> Joachim

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Keyboard usability

[Peter Bittner]

I've added two other bug reports. Please click "this bug affects me", everyone!

"Add speech input, voice input, dictate function for keyboard"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545714

"Swype'ish input on keyboard (for entering text faster)"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545716

Peter


> That's a nice idea. I've added a bug report there:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1545683
>
> Anyone interestet pls click on "this bug affects me".

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Keyboard usability

[Peter Bittner]

Ferdinand, I'm pretty sure the T9 keyboard layout can be addressed via
the layouts (not yet) available in System Settings >  Language & Text
> Keyboard Layouts. You should file a feature request (bug report)
requesting the T9 layout. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard

Royden, The difficult cursor position *and* copy+paste handling must
be (further) improved too. I read in a YouTube review comparing phone
platforms (I think Jolla, Sailfish, Android, Windows Phone) that
Windows Phone is by far the best platform handling keyboard,
copy+paste! -- I believe there should be mentioned Ubuntu Touch one
day. That's be nice.

What is also missing is:

- voice input (being translated into text)
- dictionaries
- swype'ish text input, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2080510

Not sure if everything can only or must be provided by Canonical
through the platform, or if hooks for 3rd-party providers are also
planned (as on Android).

Peter


2016-02-15 10:59 GMT+01:00 Royden Yates:
> On Monday, 15 February 2016 06:06:54 CET, Ferdinand Holzner wrote:
>>
>> Hi there again,
>>
>> two thing are missing to improve the usability of the keyboard:
>>
>> T9 layout would be nice. Especially for people with big thumbs.I I never
>> got used to those full layout on small screens.
>> But more important would be to have arrow keys to navigate through the
>> text. If I have a typo somewhere, its more of a hit and miss. I have to
>> fiddle around until the cursor is on the place I want it to.
>>
>
> Indeed. The blue cursor is not as useable as on other OSs yet but it has
> improved. It works now well enough to select the line to be edited , but
> fine letter level placement has a way to go. Picking up the cursor blob is
> difficult. Are arrows necessary if that gets sorted?
>
> And please, let's have a back erase key that does not accelerate like a
> Ferrari when held down.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Command

[Peter Bittner]

> Can anybody tell me the command to switch my bq hd5 to propsed channel

I think that should be:

$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu

See also: 
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/

Good luck,
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] font size/ accessibility

[Peter Bittner]

Florian,

It may turn out that an option to adjust a (single) value is a
problematic idea, from a point of usability and UI consistency.
Probably there will be dependencies that cannot be easily met via
scaling through a single variable (e.g. double font size may fit
together better with only 1.5x sized icons), and convergence means
additional complexity (the UI should look good and be usable on
different screen sizes and touch and non-touch screens).

As by how I see the problem today, this is a comprehensive task for
UI/UX designers to come up with a couple of usable device themes.
Those themes should then, one day, be allowed to switch by a user
option.

Peter


2016-02-13 10:20 GMT+01:00 Florian Boucault:
> Adjusting the font sizes alone is a bad idea and was not part of the plan.
> Doing so will usually break UIs in unpredictable ways. The reliable way to
> scale fonts up or down is to scale the entire UI up or down with the
> environment variable GRID_UNIT_PX. We will have an option in the system
> settings app to do so one day.
>
>
> Le sam. 13 févr. 2016 10:08,   a écrit :
>>
>> While we wait for the proper settings to be implemented some day, do you
>> know how one could adjust the font sizes /with/ some fiddling in the
>> terminal today? Where would one start looking for related configurations?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Automatically synchronize data between devices

[Peter Bittner]

Doing a web search with a popular search engine I found this:
(published 7 months ago)


Canonical are in talks with big services like Whatsapp, Dropbox to
help integrate these services within the system rather than with
dedicated apps. This reduces the porting costs in bringing these
services to UT.

As far as syncing services are concerned, Canonical has no intention
of reviving Ubuntu One to allow for photo syncing across devices but
rather using 3rd party services like Dropbox, OwnCloud become the OS's
default backup service. That's the type of conversation that they are
having right now.

Sources: http://nik90.com/ubuntu-insiders-hangout-june-2015/
(English), 
https://www.bitblokes.de/2015/06/whatsapp-und-dropbox-sollen-anscheinend-in-ubuntu-touch-integriert-werden/
(German)

This translates to: OwnCloud is planned to be the default backup
service, Dropbox may be the primary commercial cloud service partner
(with integration out-of-the-box, shipped via OTA probably).

The latest information on development of an OwnCloud client
specifically for Ubuntu Touch is from November last year:
- https://mailman.owncloud.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/000704.html

The last commit von Launchpad also seems to be from November 23 last year:
- https://code.launchpad.net/owncloud-app

I copy Daniel Holm on this conversation, maybe he can give us a current status?

Peter


2016-02-12 18:14 GMT+01:00 Mark Holmes:
> That would be immensely useful.
>
> On 12/02/16 10:40, Nick Luigi V. Eusebio wrote:
>>
>> I think it was mentioned before that it is planned to have some kind of a
>> cloud service integrated on the phone.
>> This means you can sync files to any cloud service you like. Not sure
>> though if there's already work done for that and if we'll see it soon.

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[Ubuntu-phone] Automatically synchronize data between devices

[Peter Bittner]

Hi there,

is there a solution around that allows me to sync all my files, or
just selected folders, of my home directory across various Ubuntu
devices? Ideally (as an option), when I'm on WiFi or LAN only, not
broadband.

Something like Dropbox, but for the whole user home directory. Similar
to iCloud on iOS and OneDrive on Windows. Google Drive can't be used
for that purpose, can it? And (that kind of) UbuntuOne is dead.

In the light of convergence I'd like to be fully synced across all my
devices (they all have enough drive space), so that when I stop using
my developer machine and I'm on the go I have everything with me
(data-wise; Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos, maybe
source code in my Development folder, browser history some day). This
would also save me from any manual copying from and to my mobile
device.

Would be cool.
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How add custom item to system indicator (network)

[Peter Bittner]

2016-02-12 1:12 GMT+01:00 Michał Sawicz:
> Not possible, and I don't think it's planned to allow that currently. It
> is also quite an esoteric use case for the general user, and you can

The question actually was: Is it possible in general to add a menu
item to an indicator menu? And, of course it is (sort of). I could
send a notification the the system notification indicator from an app.
But general hooks into any indicator are neither available nor
planned? Something like the mail notifications integrated in Ubuntu's
messages indicator (on the current desktop version).

> you could have an app doing that, similar to what WifiTranfer [1] app does.

While WifiTransfer is a very nice app unfortunately it's of limited
use (read: a pain to use) due to its confined nature. Enabling general
SSH/SFTP access is much more intuitive, and less esoteric. What a
user, and developers like me are also general users, may want is
access to all their files in the user home directory (or, for heaven's
sake, at least to the main data folders, Documents, Downloads, Music,
Pictures, Videos). And since with "general access" the (whole) system
is affected, and more risk is involved than in a confined situation,
depicting the situation as a "system status" in the indicators' tray
is probably advisable. That's the motivation behind it.

If not the Network indicator then the Transfer indicator may be an
appropriate place for this. App-wise this feature could fit into the
context of the File Manager app, yet still it may be not totally
intuitive, because the traffic (file transfer) comes "from the other
direction". Anyway, I've added a feature request there, also because
there is no bug tracker configured in the Transfer indicator project.

Anyone who cares about a simple yet full-featured way of doing
(manual) file transfers can vote for this bug using the link "This bug
affects you" on top of the page:
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1544987

Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How add custom item to system indicator (network)

[Peter Bittner]

Oli,

actually I'm linking to the most updated post on this topic on Ask
Ubuntu. I'm seen the thread you are referring to, and I have
contributed and edit to that other post, which is now suggesting a
script that uses the android-gadget-service [2]. You may have a cached
copy still in your browser, try refreshing the page.

There's also a Gist provided, which I made to add printing out the IP
address. Alexander, the original author, has extended the script into
a "mini app" that displays a desktop icon in the Applications scope
("SSH server is ON", "SSH server is OFF"), so users that prefer to
safe time using point-and-click to using the Terminal can be happy.
Unfortunately, since the script uses sudo inside, the "GUI solution"
only works when you have no password on your phone; in the Terminal
the script asks you for the password (if needed) and you're all set.

JFYI, Peter

[2] http://askubuntu.com/questions/601910/ssh-ubuntu-touch/653595#653595


2016-02-12 12:35 GMT+01:00 Oliver Grawert :
> hi,
> Am Freitag, den 12.02.2016, 00:33 +0100 schrieb Peter Bittner:
>> I've found out today that accessing the phone via SSH from a (desktop)
>> computer is pretty easy, finally. No need for developer-grade tools
>> like adb shell, etc. [1]
>
> i see you are linking to some instructions that tell users to use the
> property system directly ... thats not guaranteed to always work which
> is why the android-gadget-service provides a dbus interface to
> enable/disable ssh (if there are ever UI tools they will also hook into
> this in the end, my initial plans were to actually add a ssh toggle on
> the developer mode page of the system-settings app when i implemented
> dev mode, but i changed to the snappy team before i could do that and
> now my time is rather rare for phone stuff)
> it would be nice if you could link to [1] instead of the "hack your
> phone using setprop" page you are linking to atm.
>
> (or perhaps robie could update his askubuntu post :) )

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] font size/ accessibility

[Peter Bittner]

Markus, please post the URL of the bug report you submit here in this
thread of discussion. So we can vote for it.

Actually, "theming" should already be a core design feature, at least
planned if not implemented. Because OEMs will want to customize their
handset's appearance (as demoed with a "blue theme" on
http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/partners). Your request should perfectly,
and easily, fit into the same category of "customization".

Hence, custom themes will have to be available. It's just a matter of
(product management) choice whether the power to switch themes will be
given into the hands of end users or not.

Peter


2016-02-11 21:59 GMT+01:00 Markus Wimmer:
> thanks for the helpful replies.
>
> Although it sounds like a dirty hack, and not a solution ( I will file a bug
> because its a question of useability), I'll  give it a try, just to see,
> where and how it will help.

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[Ubuntu-phone] How add custom item to system indicator (network)

[Peter Bittner]

I've found out today that accessing the phone via SSH from a (desktop)
computer is pretty easy, finally. No need for developer-grade tools
like adb shell, etc. [1]

To make the solution more user-friendly I'd like to integrate a toggle
option in the phone's Network indicator. Right above or below the
"Hotspot" option there could be an "Allow SSH/SFTP Access" toggle
option. This would be a nice, easily reachable, intuitive place to
enable, disable and check for the status of the SSH service on the
phone (and maybe display the phone's IP address or a gear button to
reach some Settings or instructions page).

Is it possible somehow by a user application to hook into the network
indicator to do just that? If yes, links to documentation would be
appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Peter

[1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/601910/ssh-ubuntu-touch/653595#653595

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Docking station

[Peter Bittner]

I think you can use any bluetooth keyboard with an integrated stand.

For example, an article from 2013 [1] lists the "Kensington KeyFolio
Pro 2" that is designed for a 10" tablet, such as the iPad 2/3/4.
Amazon lists the "Belkin QODE Ultimate Wireless Keyboard and Case" as
an alternative. Both are also cases that protect your tablet.

[1] http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-bluetooth-keyboards/
[2] http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L151/

Disclaimer: Note that I'm just guessing, I haven't tried or seen any
of those keyboard+cases in real life.


2016-02-11 23:36 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Tataradziński:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know that there will be some docking station for 10 inch BQ
> tablet with Ubuntu? I think that something like that
> http://www.tablety.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Samsung_Dock-320x306.jpg
> would be great. In example I'm in travel and I need to write a lot of texts.
> Instead of fighting with touch keyboard, I plugin my new shiny tablet into
> that to move into mini PC:) I also think that there should be some similar
> stuff for bigger phones (like MX4).

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Circle on the lock-screen

[Peter Bittner]

Dedicated to all fanboys and fangirls of the Ubuntu phone circle design:

I've added a new feature request (bug report) in Ubuntu-UX:

  "Unique lock screen design w/ circle gestures to unlock"
  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1544670

Please, everyone who cares about a beautiful, useful, awesome
circle-design lock screen / greeter app for the Ubuntu phone, please
vote for this feature request by clicking the "This bug affects you"
link on top of the bug report page (right below the title). You have
to be logged in to do that. Create a Launchpad account if you don't
have one already, it's worth the effort.

Thanks everyone for listening and helping to make our opinions heard,
Peter



2015-11-02 11:41 GMT+01:00 Ivo Xavier :
> Hi everyone!
>
> One feature to add could be the "long press". What's this? Well, the current
> behavior is "double-tap" in order to view our statics of usage of the
> phone/apps. What if a "long-press" functionality was added?
>
> Example:
>
> 1) "No music listen today" --> "long-press" --> Music app opens;
>
> Then the lock screen becomes also a "shortcut" to the apps (music,
> phone,..).
>
> I don't know if this "request" is in the right place but here it goes
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1495549)
>
> Big hug to all!
>
> Ivo Xavier

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] font size/ accessibility

[Peter Bittner]

Markus,

I guess the best place to look for "the right place" to get your voice
heard is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components
This page lists all components of Ubuntu Touch, including links to the
project (sources) and its bug tracker.

I would suggest that "Toolkit and icon theme" is the best project to
post a bug report in for your specific request (although I see that
Pat is recommending canonical-devices-system-image, which is not
listed on this page). A "feature request" is equivalent to a "bug
report", just to assure you that what you do is right.

I like to always include a link back to the mailings list thread, so
people can go back there and read opinions that have been expressed.
The public archive is available from
https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ (you'll have to browse for
the appropriate discussion; there doesn't seem to be a search
feature).

Other useful links you make want to consult: (some that I found useful)
- https://design.ubuntu.com/
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenuBar#System_status_menus_.28system_indicators.29

Posting a bug report is always a fulfilling experience, something
worth doing. It won't disappear as easily as discussions on the
mailing list. Though you may have to come back to your reports and bug
the responsible people. There is little traffic on the bug trackers (I
feel), so you need to take care of your babies yourself. Make yourself
heard! Be nasty.  :-)

Good luck!
Peter



2016-02-11 13:46 GMT+01:00 Markus Wimmer :
> Am 11.02.2016 um 00:47 schrieb Peter Bittner:
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>>>> Is there any way to customize the fontsize?  ( by edititing
>>>> configuration
>>>> files?)
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no good way to do this today and I sympathize. Would some sort
>>> of
>>> magnifier/zoom and pan capability satisfy this? We can look into it.
>>> The browser dos support zooming of course which is quite handy.
>>
>>
>> I think there should be a simple way of dealing with this. Some sort
>> of a set of presets, or themes in an Appearance section of the System
>> Settings (similar to Ubuntu on the desktop today).
>>
>> There could be an "Ubuntu Touch Default Theme" (the one of today), and
>> an "Ubuntu Touch Large Theme" (with a slightly larger default font
>> size and less detailed icons). If the whole theme is always defined by
>> Canonical's Design team, and backed by real user testing (40+
>> obviously), we can satisfy both Ubuntu's unique appearance and an ease
>> of handling from a user perspective.
>>
>> No fiddling in config files, please! And no easy way to set Comic Sans
>> MS as a default font.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
> That sounds good, is there any real chance to get this realised ?
> It would be nice in general if there were a page, where users could post
> feature requests.
> I really can't explain, but "askubuntu" feels for me like a kind of black
> hole.
>
> Markus
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] font size/ accessibility

[Peter Bittner]

Pat,

>> Is there any way to customize the fontsize?  ( by edititing configuration
>> files?)
>
> There is no good way to do this today and I sympathize. Would some sort of
> magnifier/zoom and pan capability satisfy this? We can look into it.
> The browser dos support zooming of course which is quite handy.

I think there should be a simple way of dealing with this. Some sort
of a set of presets, or themes in an Appearance section of the System
Settings (similar to Ubuntu on the desktop today).

There could be an "Ubuntu Touch Default Theme" (the one of today), and
an "Ubuntu Touch Large Theme" (with a slightly larger default font
size and less detailed icons). If the whole theme is always defined by
Canonical's Design team, and backed by real user testing (40+
obviously), we can satisfy both Ubuntu's unique appearance and an ease
of handling from a user perspective.

No fiddling in config files, please! And no easy way to set Comic Sans
MS as a default font.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] prey on ubuntu touch

[Peter Bittner]

Wayne,

I'm really curious how you got the client working on Ubuntu Touch. Is
it the Bash client [1]? Does that support all the sweeties on the GUI,
as seen on my Ubuntu powered notebook? It would of course be cool if
the Prey Project would support a one-click installation directly from
their website [2] after you've logged in on their website with your
Ubuntu Touch device, upon clicking the "[+]" button to add a new
device to your Prey account.

Hacky solutions will work for us geeks (for now), but they torpedo
user acceptance in the long run.

[1] https://github.com/prey/prey-bash-client
[2] https://preyproject.com/download

Peter


2016-02-06 0:19 GMT+01:00 Wayne Ward:
> I have finnaly got prey working on ubuntu touch
> Ive been working for just over a week with tomas pollak to get this debugged
> and its just located
> Ill write a full how to for people who want to be able to track there ubuntu
> touch device
> but one thing for now the device has to be RW until i take this a step
> further
>
> the project is here https://preyproject.com/
>
> feel free to ask questions or wait till i produce the howto on ubuntu social
> :)
>
> Regards
> Wayne

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] prey on ubuntu touch

[Peter Bittner]

Would be awesome if these instructions would be on the Preyproject
website once finalised.

Cheers, Peter



2016-02-09 14:08 GMT+01:00 Julia Palandri :
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Wayne Ward  wrote:
>>
>> I have finnaly got prey working on ubuntu touch
>> Ive been working for just over a week with tomas pollak to get this
>> debugged and its just located
>> Ill write a full how to for people who want to be able to track there
>> ubuntu touch device
>> but one thing for now the device has to be RW until i take this a step
>> further
>>
>> the project is here https://preyproject.com/
>>
>> feel free to ask questions or wait till i produce the howto on ubuntu
>> social :)
>>
>
> Awesome Wayne! Thanks for this!
> I'll wait for instructions xD
>
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[Ubuntu-phone] Integrate social accounts in address book

[Peter Bittner]

I've just added a bug report (feature request) to the address book app
on Launchpad, that hopefully is interesting for a few other users out
there. It's about pull contact details from social accounts, so that
you don't have to add all those contacts to your address book or
contacts in your cloud account.

"Show contact details from social accounts"
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/address-book-app/+bug/1535755

If that affects you, please vote for it.

Another interesting, related feature request is "VOIP" in the "dialer-app".
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1533104

Check that out too and vote for it if you think that would be cool.

Thanks everyone for listening,
Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable

[Peter Bittner]

Hi Wayne,

I have bought the magnificent XCSOURCE 5in1 MHL adapter [1], only to
find out later that it probably works with all devices minus my bq
Aquaris 5 HD.  :-)
I also bought this sweet converter cable [2] so that I could
potentially use the USB 3.0 output of my XPS 13 for a second external
monitor in combination with the above adapter. Negative either.

Just to give you an idea that there are sweet adapters around. But
that won't turn our bq phones into convergence devices, as others in
this thread have pointed out. That's bad luck. But if the next bq
devices also cost so little, and they arrive before 2019, we may not
have to worry too much about it...   ;-)

Peter

[1] 
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=XCSOURCE+5in1+MHL+Micro+USB+HDMI+Adapter+Cable+Sync&t=canonical&ia=products
[2] 
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Schwarz+USB+Stecker+zu+Micro-USB-Buchse+Konverter+Adapte+Kabel+10cm&t=canonical&ia=products



2016-01-13 1:21 GMT+01:00 Wayne Ward:
> Can anyone tell me which cable / adapter id need to buy to get my Bq 4.5
> connect to hdmi monitor please Link would nice..
> Wayne
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Find out if running on a phone

[Peter Bittner]

*applaud*

Very nice post, Stephen. Thank you.

[ What I am wondering is (maybe that was already mentioned in the
myriad of messages) what the programming API will look like ("... app
may need to know its display surface has changed size"). Is there a
spec or draft spec somewhere already? ]

The problem that a few of us, all smart programmers, probably have: Is
it really all about "what is the size of the display surface" that
defines the "form factor" and decides whether window decorations are
to be used, or a mouse pointer is shown, etc.? (--> I fear *this* is
the "is it desktop, tablet or smartphone?" question.) -- Probably the
API will (have to) tell the app what "form factor" the system decided
to use for the app, in addition to the display surface dimensions
passed to the app.

In other words: Switching back and forth from whatever behavior the
display device is inducing, is the operating system's business and the
app shall sit there patient and wait for being notified. It shall be
none of the app's business to sniff around for information and
understand when to change appearance. I think this is also important
in order to have a coherent behavior (and simpler source code!) of all
the apps.

tl;dr -- The operating system (window manager?) shall decide how the
apps are expected to present themselves. Apps should not try to do
that, they shall wait for being notified about that their appearance
changed.

Peter


2016-01-11 21:57 GMT+01:00 Stephen M. Webb :
> On 16-01-11 03:08 PM, Lorn Potter wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/01/16 05:35, Robert Park wrote:
>>> But the point is that you can't have coffee that says "if desktop: x; if
>>> phone: y" because it can change at any time and you can't rely on that.
>>
>> Yes this desktop/phablet mode thing would be dynamic. It can change at any 
>> time, which is why it needs to be detected
>> dynamically.
>
> Input and output devices may appear or disappear dynamically.  They may 
> change other properties dynamically (keyboard
> layout, display size or resolution). None of those is a "system mode".  Yes, 
> they are things that applications need to
> adjust for.  That has been the case for a number of years already on the 
> desktop and does not requires a "system mode."
>
>> When you connect bt keyboard & external display, phone is now in desktop 
>> mode. When you flip back your laptop's
>> touchscreen, it's it now phablet mode. It already does the first one except 
>> there is no API to let developers know for
>> certain what mode it is in.
>
> When you connect an external keyboard, you now have an external keyboard.  
> Unless you are writing a keyboard
> configuration settings app, there is usually no reason for an application to 
> be aware of how many keyboards I have
> connected.  The shell may need to know, so it can display the OSK or not as 
> appropriate (configurably).  Apps shouldn't
> normally be aware of changes to keyboard layout or IM selection either.  An 
> argument can be made that an application may
> need to know certain kinds of input devices are present and adapt 
> accordingly:  a game controller is not a mouse and
> vice versa, a drawing tablet and a mouse are not the same, and so on.  That's 
> not a desktop vs. phone thing, it's a
> feature detection thing.
>
> When you connect an external display, the shell needs to know.  It may choose 
> to enter windowed mode (or it may not,
> depending on configuration).  The app may need to know its display surface 
> has changed size.  Neither of those is a
> desktop/phone mode thing and apps should not go around acting like they're on 
> a desktop just because I'm cloning my
> phone to a projector for a presentation.  It's not a desktop vs. phone thing, 
> it's a feature detection thing.
>
> When connecting external monitors, if the hardware supports it, I want to be 
> able to run some apps on the phone display
> as if they were on a phone display and on the external monitors using a 
> windowed display as if they're on a desktop
> screen, and I want to run them both at the same time.  Is my phone in desktop 
> mode or phone mode when I do that?
>
>>> **MUCH** better user experience if you do feature detection, eg "if
>>> push_notifications_available: enable_push_notifications()", this way
>>> they work everywhere they exist, rather than trying to guess whether or
>>> not they exist by making assumptions about what is a "phone" vs what is
>>> a "desktop".
>>
>> It really depends on what you are doing.
>
> What would you be doing where a feature availability check would not do the 
> right thing every time?
>
>> We can either provide an API to do so or developers will try and guess these 
>> things on their own.
>
> We can't stop developers from writing crappy software.  What we can do is not 
> aid and abet them.
>
> We need APIs for feature detection.  Apps need feature detection.  Apps don't 
> need "system mode" detection.  We don't
> want apps to have "system mode" detection because we don't want

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] black screen makes it imposible to terminate call

[Peter Bittner]

If she can't hang up because the screen stays black and can't be turned on
for more than a fraction of a second, then this is the bug that I am facing
since the very beginning of my relationship with my dear bq Aquaris E5
Ubuntu Edition:

- https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1493574

Peter


2016-01-08 19:32 GMT+01:00 Wayne Ward :

> I have same problem for around 2 months
> Wayne
> On Friday, 8 January 2016 17:20:47 CET, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My wife complains about not being able to hangup a call which she
>> initiated. I could not reproduce this in test calls with both BQ E4.5
>> (running OTA 8.5) on the table. I saw it only today that the call was
>> continuing on my screen and I have had to hang it up for her.
>>
>> Is this a known issue? If not, I will file a bug in LP. Thanks
>>
>> matthias
>>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store not showing last available version of app

[Peter Bittner]

Really, I've unpublished and re-published the app twice about an hour
after writing my "complaint" to the mailing list. I had hesitated some
time doing that, because it would cause confusion (as now), but if
there is a publishing history that Canonical has access to they will
still be able to figure out what went wrong, I figured. Bottom line,
It was more import to me that version 0.5 went online *again*.

I had the app published days earlier, 22 December at 17:15 MEZ (just
before tagging the related commit [1]). I had even successfully tested
installing it from the Store on my by E5 device (via the phone's
update mechanism), and I had tested the changes successfully the same
day.

A difference I notice on `myapps` compared to my other apps is that
there are all green cube icons for all releases in the list of
releases [2] in other apps, while there are green check marks for all
earlier releases in the `orf-total` app [3] and only for the current,
0.5 release there is a green cube icon. Why that? What is that
supposed to mean?

Peter

[1] 
https://github.com/bittner/orf-total/commit/4295286a96ac4f1fca7db3ce13abf241c918797b
[2] e.g. https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3284/
[3] https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4221/


2015-12-28 14:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Albisetti :
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Peter Bittner  wrote:
>>
>> I've developed a miniscule web app based on ogra's web app container.
>> I've uploaded 5 revisions to the store, I tried them all (except no.
>> 1, which did not pass the automatic reviews), but now that I look at
>> my phone and at the Store version 0.4 shows up as the latest version
>> instead of 0.5. This is true for both the phone and the Store API,
>> obviously:
>>
>> https://uappexplorer.com/app/orf-total.peter-bittner
>>
>> Though, in Ubuntu's myapps I can clearly see that 0.5 is the latest
>> uploaded and published version:
>>
>> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4221/rev/5/
>>
>> I've even tested installing version 0.5 on my phone via the Store! Now
>> that I uninstall the app and install it again, version 0.4 is
>> installed for real. This is not just a "number issue" in the manifest
>> or so. I can see that the bug I fixed in 0.5 is not fixed in 0.4.
>>
>> What's wrong here? What happened? A Santa Claus joke?
>
> I took a look at 0.5 has been the published version since Dec 26th
> 22:54hs UTC, about 6 hours after the upload. Maybe you don't have it
> set to auto-publish after approval?  I can't really tell without
> digging a bit deeper, there was either a ~6h delay in the process or
> you don't have auto-publish set and figured it out 6 hours later  :)
>
>
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[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store not showing last available version of app

[Peter Bittner]

Dear Canonical,

I've developed a miniscule web app based on ogra's web app container.
I've uploaded 5 revisions to the store, I tried them all (except no.
1, which did not pass the automatic reviews), but now that I look at
my phone and at the Store version 0.4 shows up as the latest version
instead of 0.5. This is true for both the phone and the Store API,
obviously:

https://uappexplorer.com/app/orf-total.peter-bittner

Though, in Ubuntu's myapps I can clearly see that 0.5 is the latest
uploaded and published version:

https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4221/rev/5/

I've even tested installing version 0.5 on my phone via the Store! Now
that I uninstall the app and install it again, version 0.4 is
installed for real. This is not just a "number issue" in the manifest
or so. I can see that the bug I fixed in 0.5 is not fixed in 0.4.

What's wrong here? What happened? A Santa Claus joke?

Peter

P.S.: Any other, more appropriate channel that app authors should use
other than the mailing list?

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[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Phone vs. Sailfish OS (for history fanboys), and Windows phone

[Peter Bittner]

I just found an old albeit pretty interesting comparison with demo
videos from 2013 about Ubuntu Phone (demoed by Mark Shuttleworth) and
Sailfish OS.

http://www.jollausers.com/2013/07/why-sailfish-is-better-as-a-modern-os-here-is-a-comparison/

Now that many of us have used Ubuntu Touch for almost a year on the
first dedicated Ubuntu phones it's interesting to look back at what
was originally planned, promised, envisioned.

Interesting are a couple of facts:

- Ubuntu Touch had a few niceties which went away (long name of the
app selected on the launcher, among others)
- Indicator controls (i.e. the elements shown when you pull down an
indicator from top) are much smaller today than two years ago
- The apps demoed by Mark seem to be much more consistent compared to
what we see on our devices today (e.g. every single demoed screen,
apart from the camera app obviously, had a header in large letters,
including indicator pages!)
- The large header letters have been replaced by a smaller font (not
sure why this makes me feel like Ubuntu Touch is moving closer to
Windows phone)

Most interesting comparison facts with Sailfish OS:

- The gestures seem to be more well-designed in Sailfish (e.g.
left-handers have a harder time to access the launcher on Ubuntu
Touch, true in fact!)
- Sailfish has no lack of apps, because you seem to be able to install
and use any Android app there is
- Ubuntu Touch needs more horse-power, the UI lags sometimes (true in
fact, not really visible on the demo video but on the Aquaris E5 when,
e.g., your device connects to a new network CPU goes up to 95% and you
must lean back and wait)

Interesting explanation also here, in a video confronting the pros and
cons of Windows phone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-wdWzspIBY

Some of the disadvantages of Windows phone just make me think of
Ubuntu Touch. It's terrible.

Let's see if we can draw some conclusions out of this.

I feel it's time to sit down for a review and evaluate which decisions
went down the wrong lane, before it's too late to throw in the reverse
gear. Is it really all just a matter of maturity, a matter of time
that, e.g., the lagging disappears? Is it good or bad that Ubuntu
Touch is partly starting to look like its competitors? Which were the
compromises (e.g. in the look and feel) that led to what we have today
(as opposed to what was envisioned two years ago)?

Peter


P.S.: Just updated to OTA 8.5, and it's as if Ubuntu Touch wanted to
stop me from pressing the Send button: Launching apps feels much
faster all of a sudden!  :-)  But seriously, the headers still have
the small font, so I send this email to the list.  ;-)

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] On the subject of apps...

[Peter Bittner]

It feels terrible to give them 3% of the turnover for such a horrible
website with more bugs than features. But in the end Kickstarter takes
5%...

Peter

2015-12-15 15:38 GMT+01:00 Boris Rybalkin:
> Right, feel free to register you app request on
> https://github.com/cyberb/uapps as an issue with needed comments.
>
> And then offer some cash for it on freedomsponsors.
>
> Then try to find more users with cash, developers should start coming after
> :)

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] On the subject of apps...

[Peter Bittner]

How about adding your sponsorship at what Boris has started?

https://freedomsponsors.org/project/323/uapps#/uapps

Peter


2015-12-15 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mark:
> ... I've used Simplenote for the last 8 years, and find it invaluable. The
> nvPY client does however have one killer feature missing: the ability to
> choose the directory to which the database auto-saves: Simplenote server,
> HD, private/public cloud. If it were just a matter of writing a couple of
> lines of code, I'd be prepared to Paypal the price of a couple of pints...!

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [idea] how to get popular apps from other mobile markets

[Peter Bittner]

The circle unlock screen concept has been postponed in 2013. And,
let's face it, there will always be "more important things" to do than
this.

Postponed 2013:
- https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg14884.html
More links: initial concept, final concept, Android unlock app w/ air gestures
- https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg14913.html
More ideas: home screen w/ access to common scopes, spell unlock phrase swypish
- https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg15131.html

Is there any hooks that an app can use to hook into the lock screen?
At least, if not shipped by default, you could give users a choice to
set a different lock screen with an app. What is the documentation
appropriate for this topic? (Can this be done im Python?)

Similar for the SIP and XMPP integration: The platform must provide
easy hooks to integrate any voice and video calling, as well as
texting and instant messaging, for any service on the phone. That may
make the phone (platform) really distinct on the market: Finally
native integration instead of zillions of apps for practically one and
the same purpose. Contacts and communication.

Is there an official roadmap for the major "feature blocks" planned
in, say, 2016? Something like this should then be on it. Otherwise
we're just dreaming of things that will never happen.

Peter


2015-12-15 12:57 GMT+01:00 Alan Bell :
> most of these are platform features that can't be third party things I
> think, especially suggesting disruptive sales models like selling it with
> Asterisk. I have always been rather sad at the feature chasing, and lack of
> defining a distinct market for the phone. The priority has always been
> things that you can do on other platforms and not things you can't do on
> other platforms. The circle isn't the most awesome feature, but it is
> distinctive, which means it is important. I am not seeing anything saying
> they have abandoned the lock screen circle, where did you see that?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [idea] how to get popular apps from other mobile markets

[Peter Bittner]

This is an awesome vision, Alan!

How do we make it happen?

(Can we count on Canonical? They have abandoned the lock screen
concept that makes prominent use of the circle. Who's going to build
these features? Will Canonical at least commit to build the platform
basics to make these apps happen? webRTC in the browser probably, but
SIP integration (wow!) I'm not even sure.)

Peter


2015-12-14 14:41 GMT+01:00 Alan Bell :
> I think it is more important to have a unique selling point, trying to match
> other platforms app by app and feature by feature ends up building something
> that is designed for chasing the market segment "people who would rather
> have an iPhone". This doesn't seem to me like a great market.
> Going for unique features unmatched in other platforms would be my
> suggestion.
>
> Make a big thing of the circle on the lock screen, put a clock and more cool
> stuff in it, insist manufacturers make the case cutout like the Bq one, and
> find a round smart watch that can mirror the circle and have some synergy
> with the phone.
>
> Make the dialler have native SIP/IAX2 and have it integrate with Asterisk.
>
> Sell Asterisk Ubuntu servers, SIP trunks and a bulk pack of handsets as a
> bundle.
>
> Fix webRTC in the browser and have video calling integrated with the
> dialler.
>
> Finally, concentrate on making it the best phone to have if you use a ton of
> other open source stuff.
>
> Alan.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [idea] how to get popular apps from other mobile markets

[Peter Bittner]

2015-12-11 18:16 GMT+01:00 Peter Bittner wrote:
> drive it. It would make a favorable picture for Canonical if they'd
> play a driving role in this process. (I'm guessing.)

Oops, I think I wanted to write: "It wouldn't make a favorable picture [...]"

I meant, it could cause Canonical look like begging for support (kind
of: because they run out of money), and that's what marketing probably
wouldn't want. So, really, in the light of Firefox OS *sigh* we users
should take care of our personal killer apps become reality.

Is there a list of "most wanted apps" for Ubuntu phone somewhere?
Maybe something where we can still vote on? -- That could then be a
starting point to kick off some crowdfunding campaigns.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [idea] how to get popular apps from other mobile markets

[Peter Bittner]

Oh, another popular demand is probably Whatsapp.

There is a project [1] that is waiting for being ported to Ubuntu
Phone (they have a branch in their repo for Ubuntu Phone already [2,
3]). Maybe raising money here would actually work. [4]

[1] 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/whatsapp-alternatives-firefox-os#w_whatsapp-client-loqui
[2] https://github.com/loqui/im/tree/dev/platform/ubuntu-touch
[3] https://github.com/loqui/im/tree/ubuntu-touch
[4] https://github.com/loqui/im/issues/434

Anyone willing to give it a try? (kickstarter, or coding)
Peter


2015-12-11 18:16 GMT+01:00 Peter Bittner :
> Valid points.
>
> Though, in general, I guess doing Kickstarter projects for cool apps
> is not wrong as such. Anyone can do this as long as there are open
> resources available for the implementation (which is certainly not the
> case for Viber, for example; their server is out of our control, and
> they are not interested in developing their Linux implementation
> further; I've asked them several times).
>
> For example, you could raise money to pay Tim Süberkrüb for developing
> his Google Hangouts clone [1] faster. (Though I suspect it's still a
> spare time project. But maybe someone else would be incentivized to
> sit down full-time in the weekend for programming.) Or pay Tom Dryer
> for developing missing features you may see in his hangups library,
> which powers the Hangups app.
>
> Alternatively, start a Kickstarter project for the killer app you want
> and pay a developer or agency of your choice to implement it.
> (Provided implementing it wouldn't be a infringement of any dimension,
> copyright or so.) Choice are there. I think we as a users have to
> drive it. It would make a favorable picture for Canonical if they'd
> play a driving role in this process. (I'm guessing.)
>
> [1] https://github.com/tim-sueberkrueb/ubuntu-hangups/
> [2] https://github.com/tdryer/hangups
>
> tl;dr
>
> Go for it, anyone, start your Kickstarter campaign (a separate one for
> each app I'd suggest), and let the world know here on the mailing
> list.
>
> Peter
>
>
> 2015-12-11 16:32 GMT+01:00 Peter Spiers :
>> I'm sure Canonical opens it's development SDK to any application developer
>> to create an application for Ubuntu Touch. The reason why many will not yet
>> produce an app for this platform is it's popularity, not necessarily their
>> inability to produce one.
>>
>> The best option is to create a stable Mobile OS, open it to the market
>> through mainstream distributions (Phone shops) and allow it to increase in
>> popularity.
>> Then the larger development county will be open to developing for it, Like
>> Google, Uber
>> Without the required need to pay for them to develop for the platform.
>>
>> More important and above anything else, keep it open source and free to
>> develop applications on.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 11 December 2015, 14:34, Boris Rybalkin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I have just tested Ubuntu phone on my nexus 5 and I was impressed with the
>> progress. But I feel like I have no hands comparing to Android as I miss
>> many essential apps.
>> So after switching back to Android simple idea came to my mind:
>> I would pay for several apps to be ported to Ubuntu phone.
>> So why would not it be possible to organise kick starter like campaigns to
>> port essential apps right by their original creators, but this time people
>> pay for them?
>> I think Canonical could drive it as it has to be agreed with app authors
>> beforehand that it is possible and help them with docs.
>> Best option is of cause to have open source port, but even proprietary is
>> fine comparing to no app.
>> I would pay 10 pounds per app:
>> Viber, uber, mail app, mail, firefox :)
>> I understand it looks like inverted reality, but how would you bring people
>> in otherwise.
>> Thanks

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [idea] how to get popular apps from other mobile markets

[Peter Bittner]

Valid points.

Though, in general, I guess doing Kickstarter projects for cool apps
is not wrong as such. Anyone can do this as long as there are open
resources available for the implementation (which is certainly not the
case for Viber, for example; their server is out of our control, and
they are not interested in developing their Linux implementation
further; I've asked them several times).

For example, you could raise money to pay Tim Süberkrüb for developing
his Google Hangouts clone [1] faster. (Though I suspect it's still a
spare time project. But maybe someone else would be incentivized to
sit down full-time in the weekend for programming.) Or pay Tom Dryer
for developing missing features you may see in his hangups library,
which powers the Hangups app.

Alternatively, start a Kickstarter project for the killer app you want
and pay a developer or agency of your choice to implement it.
(Provided implementing it wouldn't be a infringement of any dimension,
copyright or so.) Choice are there. I think we as a users have to
drive it. It would make a favorable picture for Canonical if they'd
play a driving role in this process. (I'm guessing.)

[1] https://github.com/tim-sueberkrueb/ubuntu-hangups/
[2] https://github.com/tdryer/hangups

tl;dr

Go for it, anyone, start your Kickstarter campaign (a separate one for
each app I'd suggest), and let the world know here on the mailing
list.

Peter


2015-12-11 16:32 GMT+01:00 Peter Spiers :
> I'm sure Canonical opens it's development SDK to any application developer
> to create an application for Ubuntu Touch. The reason why many will not yet
> produce an app for this platform is it's popularity, not necessarily their
> inability to produce one.
>
> The best option is to create a stable Mobile OS, open it to the market
> through mainstream distributions (Phone shops) and allow it to increase in
> popularity.
> Then the larger development county will be open to developing for it, Like
> Google, Uber
> Without the required need to pay for them to develop for the platform.
>
> More important and above anything else, keep it open source and free to
> develop applications on.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Friday, 11 December 2015, 14:34, Boris Rybalkin 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
> I have just tested Ubuntu phone on my nexus 5 and I was impressed with the
> progress. But I feel like I have no hands comparing to Android as I miss
> many essential apps.
> So after switching back to Android simple idea came to my mind:
> I would pay for several apps to be ported to Ubuntu phone.
> So why would not it be possible to organise kick starter like campaigns to
> port essential apps right by their original creators, but this time people
> pay for them?
> I think Canonical could drive it as it has to be agreed with app authors
> beforehand that it is possible and help them with docs.
> Best option is of cause to have open source port, but even proprietary is
> fine comparing to no app.
> I would pay 10 pounds per app:
> Viber, uber, mail app, mail, firefox :)
> I understand it looks like inverted reality, but how would you bring people
> in otherwise.
> Thanks

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Google Calendar Syenc

[Peter Bittner]

I can confirm that this is not working at all on my Aquaris E5, OTA-8.

It doesn't show neither my primary Google calendar nor my other,
included calendars that showed up normally on Android and iOS (e.g.
calendars from family members using other Google accounts that I have
included, so they show on my Google Calendar web interface). Not even
birth dates from my contacts show up.

I'm using the magnificent Gmail webapp for viewing the calendar.  *puke*   ;-)
That's better than nothing but an integrated experience would be nice.
The calendar app is just sitting there doing nothing.

Peter


2015-12-02 17:40 GMT+01:00 Noah Baalessanvu :
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message
> From: Renato Filho
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:20
> To: Mitchell Reese
> Cc: Ubuntu Phone
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Google Calendar Sync
>
> Hi Mitchell,
>
> There is no change on calendar sync for a long time.
> Could you check your sync log (.cache/upstart/sync-monitor.log) for
> some extra info? Would be nice if you report a bug and attach this
> file on it. This way we can try to solve the problem together.
>
> Thanks
> Renato
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mitchell Reese
>  wrote:
>> Are there any known issues with Google Calendar sync in the latest
>> rc-proposed in a bq? It's not working at all for me. Are there any steps I
>> can try to reset the calendar backend? Thanks,
>>
>> Mitchell
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Unity app indicators and convergence

[Peter Bittner]

Thank you, Thomas, that's cool. I've started to check the progress on
this with the Mir team on IRC. Good to know.

As for indicators in general (that was my former link [2]), is that
the most current documentation? I've tried to find some how-to's,
especially for developing with Python, but there's not much to be
found. My best guess was to look at the source code of existing
projects. That is helpful, even though they're typically written in C,
but a demonstrated clean Python approach would be nice.

An interesting indicator I found a design document about is the Sync
Menu [5]. Is there some work progressing on this, or is this expected
to come from vendors and/or the community? Who is in charge of this
topic?

[5] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncMenu

Cheers, Peter


2015-11-26 21:35 GMT+01:00 Thomas Voß :
> Hi Peter,
>
> in the context of convergence, the Unity8 desktop environment will be
> powered by Mir. With that, the approach presented in
> [1] is not going to work as
>
>   (a.) X is not going to be around as the primary display server anymore.
>   (b.) Mir does not expose information about the global coordinate
> system (required to get window placement right).
>
> However, as the consistent placement of windows (in multi-monitor
> scenarios) has been requested numerous times
> for the current version of Unity, we decided that Mir should offer
> support for it out of the box. IIRC, the implementation is
> work-in-progress
> and we are certainly happy for all sorts of contributions (testing,
> code, ideas and reviews). The Mir team can be reached via
> their mailing list (see [3]) or in #ubuntu-mir@freenode.
>
> If you still would like to contribute to the current version of Unity,
> the best place to ask your indicator-specific questions is on
> the ubuntu-desktop mailing list (see [4]) or in #ubuntu-desktop@freenode.
>
> Have a great day,
> Cheers,
>
>   Thomas
>
> [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Mir-devel
> [4] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Peter Bittner  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have the need for a utility that saves the state of all open windows
>> on the desktop, so that when I attach or detach one or more external
>> monitors all application windows are restored in size and position the
>> way they were last time that specific monitor setting was active.
>>
>> There is a solution for this problem [1], but in order to make this
>> application accessible to mainstream I would like to write an
>> application with an app indicator that gives easy control.
>>
>> Is there something special to think about and to take into
>> consideration with regards to convergence when implementing this?
>> Where do I find the up-to-date documentation (is it [2], or is that
>> source out-of-date?), sample implementations, how-to's, etc.?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any hints,
>> Peter
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/561197/is-there-a-way-to-prevent-your-windows-from-moving-when-an-external-monitor-is-c/561824?noredirect=1#comment1022616_561824
>> [2] https://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/

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[Ubuntu-phone] Unity app indicators and convergence

[Peter Bittner]

Hi all,

I have the need for a utility that saves the state of all open windows
on the desktop, so that when I attach or detach one or more external
monitors all application windows are restored in size and position the
way they were last time that specific monitor setting was active.

There is a solution for this problem [1], but in order to make this
application accessible to mainstream I would like to write an
application with an app indicator that gives easy control.

Is there something special to think about and to take into
consideration with regards to convergence when implementing this?
Where do I find the up-to-date documentation (is it [2], or is that
source out-of-date?), sample implementations, how-to's, etc.?

Thanks in advance for any hints,
Peter

[1] 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/561197/is-there-a-way-to-prevent-your-windows-from-moving-when-an-external-monitor-is-c/561824?noredirect=1#comment1022616_561824
[2] https://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/

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[Ubuntu-phone] Spying features in Ubuntu

[Peter Bittner]

I've accidentally come across a Richard Stallman interview on Ubuntu.
He's mainly concerned about the spying feature of Ubuntu's dash when
you do a search on your device.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc

Is it planned to remove this spying feature? If not, are there plans
to make it more transparent to users what is happening on their device
(beyond just signing off an agreement when you first start your device
or you freshly installed system)?

Will the spying feature then also be on all phones one day?

Peter

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