How to fix the Unity fiasco
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Are you seeing this error in my emails?
Chris Pollock just said me that he's seeing the following error message on the top of every email he's receiving from me on this list: >Error verifying signature: parse error > --ms050806000101030505050803 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > https://goo.gl/forms/VDbXIhlFHVM6DleF3 > > > --ms050806000101030505050803-- > > -- Are you seeing that too? -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Shall I include artwork in technical documentation?
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Re: I have realised something about people not reporting bugs
Den 2017-04-30 kl. 20:18, skrev Thomas Ward: *Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* On Apr 30, 2017, at 13:43, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: Thomas Ward: Not all of us are comfortable running the latest devel release on our own computers (bare metal) because it would interfere with other things we need. I meant testing from a live disc or an external drive. Doesn't always catch all the problems - I've seen Live images work but then explosions after install. (Ask Ubuntu has a lot of these types of questions stated, and the after-installation tests are more indicative of bigger problems than from live images) -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community flavours will often work, when installed to a USB drive or memory card. I am often testing like that. The computer is usually empty (no internal drive). The 'main installed system' resides in an SSD in an external USB3 and eSATA box, and when I unplug it, the computer is safe for various testing experiments booted from other external drives. There is also a small risk to damage hardware. Ten years ago I burned a graphics card, when I messed with DSL (Damn Small Linux). Ubuntu has been very nice to the hardware all the time, so I am not worried. Best regards Nio -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have realised something about people not reporting bugs
*Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* > On Apr 30, 2017, at 13:43, Alberto Salvia Novella > wrote: > > Thomas Ward: > > Not all of us are comfortable running the latest devel release on our > > own computers (bare metal) because it would interfere with other > > things we need. > > I meant testing from a live disc or an external drive. > Doesn't always catch all the problems - I've seen Live images work but then explosions after install. (Ask Ubuntu has a lot of these types of questions stated, and the after-installation tests are more indicative of bigger problems than from live images) > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have realised something about people not reporting bugs
Permit me to add my two cents. Not all of us are comfortable running the latest devel release on our own computers (bare metal) because it would interfere with other things we need. It's why some of us use VMs for testing. Hardware testing would be irrelevant on my systems anyways - they are built with Linux compatible and certified to work hardware that hasn't seen regressions on those hardware pieces in an age. Many of us also only may have one system we use which means we aren't going to be able to test bare-metal without risking our own important stuff (read, for my context: SSH and PGP keys needed for uploading to the repositories). Because we don't have many hardware pieces to test with we test with VMs. Now, if Canonical gave me $3000 to invest in different types of hardware I'd have the infrastructure to baremetal test because my primary machine would be left alone; failing that however, you are left with VM testing. TL;DR for those of you with short attention spans: To force bare metal tests you have to have the hardware to support testing beyond on one's (often only) machines. Without the money for that extra hardware, you can't solve the problem of bare metal testing. My two cents. :) Thomas *Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* > On Apr 30, 2017, at 12:05, Nio Wiklund wrote: > >> Den 2017-04-30 kl. 12:36, skrev Alberto Salvia Novella: >> I have realised something, which is that most painful bugs on new Ubuntu >> releases are hardware related. And that is probably caused by people >> testing releases on virtual machines, instead on real hardware. >> >> Graphics, wifi and UEFI are the most common sources of people not >> upgrading to new releases. Perhaps we shall encourage more bare metal >> testing, doing it with generous advance to release, and leaving >> visualization only for the development of applications. >> >> >> >> > > I agree (and I have been testing on bare metal for years). > > Best regards > Nio > > > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: I have realised something about people not reporting bugs
Den 2017-04-30 kl. 12:36, skrev Alberto Salvia Novella: I have realised something, which is that most painful bugs on new Ubuntu releases are hardware related. And that is probably caused by people testing releases on virtual machines, instead on real hardware. Graphics, wifi and UEFI are the most common sources of people not upgrading to new releases. Perhaps we shall encourage more bare metal testing, doing it with generous advance to release, and leaving visualization only for the development of applications. I agree (and I have been testing on bare metal for years). Best regards Nio -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
