Re: Testing Kubuntu 24.04 but cannot install "ubuntu-bug" to report bugs.

[Walter Lapchynski]

`ubuntu-bug` is part of the apport package which should be installed by 
default. 

Also, if you read the page you sent, you’ll notice you can just log into 
Launchpad and report bugs there if you’re having some issues with `ubuntu-bug`. 

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> On Mar 26, 2024, at 09:51, ofbarea  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I wanted to test Kubuntu 22.04 and I installed it on an old MacBoock Pro
> 2011.
> I found a bug that I want to report.  But I cannot install "*ubuntu-bug*"
> in the system.
> 
> It is not available when I attempt to "apt install ubuntu-bug".
> I was following this guide but no luck:
> - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
> 
> Please update the support links so we can also assist reporting problems
> early.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Otto Barea
> 
> PS:
> The bug is related to the trackpad (Macbook 2011 13") does not work with
> kernel 6.8.0-11-generic.
> I build my own upstream kernel 6.8.1 (using .config from a kernel
> 6.2.0-35-generic as the template). With that, the trackpad works properly.
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Re: URGENT completely crippling regression

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2019-05-31 22:52, Teo Tei wrote:
>> Il giorno ven 31 mag 2019 alle ore 21:43 C de-Avillez 
>> ha scritto:
>>> I started reading the bug, and completely lost interest when I notice
>>> the tone used in the description.
>> How is that? Seriously, please explain it to me because I don't understand
>> it, and it fascinates me every single time (yeah, because it's not the
>> first time).

Regardless of whether or not you understand it, if it's come up more
than once, it's clearly not an uncommon response. I would argue, given
that, that to ignore that fact and expect different results is rather
illogical. This response is not really strange behavior. If you approach
people in attack mode, they're invariably going to get on the defensive.
This will not produce the results you're looking for. 

Ever heard that phrase you can catch more flies with honey? Another way
to put it is: just be nice. Even when dealing with a frustrating or
difficult situation, you will inevitably get good results by approaching
it with a good attitude.

Furthermore, the entire Ubuntu community's (that includes you)
interactions are governed by the [Ubuntu Code of Conduct][1]. Though you
may not have signed the CoC, it is the terms by which you agree to
simply by participating in the community. They are not optional. These
are the things that allow for civility and productivity. 

The key points that relate here are to:

 * be considerate (i.e. think about how others will respond to your tone
and the effect it will have on them)
 * be respectful (i.e. remember that everyone in the community with rare
exception is a volunteer and everyone wants the same thing you do: a
good experience for the end user)
 * take responsibility for your words and actions (i.e. try not to
participate in behaviors that are going to have a negative impact on
others and though you don't have to apologize, it certainly wouldn't
hurt)
 * be collaborative (i.e. work with those folks that could improve the
situation rather than working against them)
 * value consensus (i.e. put this discussion behind us and move forward
on getting the problem fixed in a constructive manner)

That said, let's work together to get this problem solved, eh?

Walter Lapchynski
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Re: Help Needed Testing Lubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Beta!

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2018-10-02 16:38, EdLesMann wrote:
> The only "oddity" is this. Why is there an option to install Lubuntu on
> my desktop after I've installed Lubuntu? ;-)

That is strange, and not something I can reproduce. We actually
[explicitly remove the installer][1]. Maybe you didn't restart? Or you
didn't remove the installation media before restarting?

[1]:
https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/master/lubuntu/modules/packages.conf$5

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Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide

[Walter Lapchynski]

On May 11, 2017 3:17:14 PM PDT, Alberto Salvia Novella  
wrote:

>Men

There's more than just those in the community. 

> on mail I'm just b*.
> put that b*** there.

This is inappropriate language for this community. Please consult the Code of 
Conduct. 

> when I answer in 
>video I know my intentions are well interpreted, and that I'm not
>saying 
>something too stupid that could piss people off.

Your video in response to the angry response you got posting a confusing image 
was far more offensive than anything you said in text. 

I'm convinced you have good intentions. Unfortunately, the road to hell is 
paved with those. I encourage you to stop and think long and hard about how to 
contribute successfully to a community that doesn't always think like you. 
Hint: read the Code of Conduct. 
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Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2017-05-09 13:20, flocculant wrote:

If the sole reason for changing the wiki page was it's length, then
rather than lose information, we should perhaps be looking splitting
it up.


I agree with this and it echoes the sentiment I shared earlier about 
having an "additional information" section/page in addition to the 
introductory content.


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Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2017-05-09 11:53, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

The process is completely guided. It's like instructions on the
instructions themselves. People aren't interested in that.


*Some* people aren't interested in that. Better to offer an additional 
information section/page.



the founder of
Kubuntu is now making his own distribution, just because he was unable
to figure out how to reach consensus within this community (his own
words).


This is because he couldn't find consensus with Canonical about 
intellectual property, which is completely unrelated to this discussion. 
Other people left because of irritation about technical issues like 
systemd or perhaps even things like Mir, which are now, thankfully 
(IMHO), abandoned. All of this is again unrelated. These are not the 
reasons why people aren't submitting bug reports. Well, it is for some, 
but they've already left the community, so why worry about them? And 
besides, their problems relate to things other than the wiki page.



Thermal bathing time is over. I want a feasible solution now, on how
we are dealing with disagreements and how we are releasing changes in
a sensible time frame.


Regardless of your feelings, the entire community is based on consensus. 
It's baked into the Code of Conduct. If you're impatient on how long 
that process takes (often a long time), I think it might be better to 
find a place where every commit is automatically accepted, although I 
think you'll have a hard time finding that place.


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Re: [lubuntu-devel] Lubuntu Zesty Zapus Beta 1 Call For Testing

[Walter Lapchynski]

Lubuntu did not fully tested before we had to do a respin last night, so we
*urgently* need the full suite of testcases completed in order to release
Beta 1. According to the Release Team, it will be shipped in 4 hours with
or  without us.

That said, we need your help, regardless of whether or not you're familiar
with testing, whether you're on the Lubuntu Team, whether you use Lubuntu,
whether you have old hardware or new hardware, whether you have a machine
to install on or not (virtual machines work).

To get started, go to the [ISO QA tracker] [1], pick a Lubuntu testcase and
test. Instructions on how to use the tracker are at the top of the page.
Just make sure to record your results on the tracker. This is a formal
process.

If you have questions, come to #lubuntu-devel on IRC or reply back to the
lubuntu-devel mailing list. Feel free to ping tsimonq2 or myself.

Thanks for making Lubuntu better!

[1]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/373/builds

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On Feb 23, 2017 04:37, "Simon Quigley"  wrote:

Another respin happened last night for Lubuntu images to fix touchpad
functionality.

We need help testing these new images so we can release Beta 1 later.

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Re: 16.04.2

[Walter Lapchynski]

Looks like Monday:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004030.html

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On Feb 9, 2017 08:32, "K1"  wrote:

> I assume that this the wrong mailing list to ask this question, but does
> 16.04.2 come out today?
>
> warren
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Re: What the "fix released" status really means?

[Walter Lapchynski]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella <
es204904...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it appropiate to mark a bug as fixed in the Ubuntu package if it's only
> fixed in a ppa or upstream but not in release?
>

​In general, I'd say yes. If the PPA or upstream location will get
automagically pulled down to release, then yes, it's appropriate. Since
every upstream location is either in Debian or some known location (usually
Launchpad), it's safe to assume that the fix will come down the pike.

The one edge case I can think of is when it's fixed in an individual's PPA
that is unrelated to the actual development of the package, then I'd say
no. I've seen this kind of thing occur before and it's wonderful to have
people fixing stuff on their own, but unless it's in the actual development
stream, it's likely to get lost in the ether.


​I think this logic follows the logic of marking something fixed when it is
fixed in a development version of Ubuntu or fixed in a version of Ubuntu
greater than the original reporter's version. In other words, they may not
be able to immediately install the fix, but eventually they should have
access to it after a version upgrade.​

In this case, QR Tools main development is in Launchpad. It's pushed up to
Debian and Ubuntu pulls it down. So yep, makes sense.

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Re: What the "fix released" status really means?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Oh and one more thing to add to that for more clarity: "Fix Released" means
that there is a release version of the software available. The only way the
fix is going to get pulled down is if it is released. If it's in an
unreleased development branch, I would call that "Fix Committed" instead.

The difference? "Fix Committed" means that it's unapproved. "Fix Released"
means that it's not only approved but it's in the appropriate state to be
packaged. Only upstream release versions can actually be packaged.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Walter Lapchynski <w...@ubuntu.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella <
> es204904...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it appropiate to mark a bug as fixed in the Ubuntu package if it's
>> only fixed in a ppa or upstream but not in release?
>>
>
> ​In general, I'd say yes. If the PPA or upstream location will get
> automagically pulled down to release, then yes, it's appropriate. Since
> every upstream location is either in Debian or some known location (usually
> Launchpad), it's safe to assume that the fix will come down the pike.
>
> The one edge case I can think of is when it's fixed in an individual's PPA
> that is unrelated to the actual development of the package, then I'd say
> no. I've seen this kind of thing occur before and it's wonderful to have
> people fixing stuff on their own, but unless it's in the actual development
> stream, it's likely to get lost in the ether.
>
>
> ​I think this logic follows the logic of marking something fixed when it
> is fixed in a development version of Ubuntu or fixed in a version of Ubuntu
> greater than the original reporter's version. In other words, they may not
> be able to immediately install the fix, but eventually they should have
> access to it after a version upgrade.​
>
> In this case, QR Tools main development is in Launchpad. It's pushed up to
> Debian and Ubuntu pulls it down. So yep, makes sense.
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Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup

[Walter Lapchynski]

Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final beta?

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress <c...@flexion.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me.
>
> The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly
> interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped
> identify issues before the panic of final beta.
>
> Regards, Martin.
>
> On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" <w...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained
>> about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all.
>>
>> That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list.
>>
>> Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing
>> milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom <s...@ubuntustudio.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about
>>> it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and
>>> nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home
>>> and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let
>>> my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us,
>>>
>>> Set aka sakrecoer
>>>
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Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup

[Walter Lapchynski]

Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about
the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all.

That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list.

Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing
milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about it,
> but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and nottos.
> Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home and not
> really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let my irc
> avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow.
>
> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us,
>
> Set aka sakrecoer
>
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Re: Is a 16.04 alpha 2 needed?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Automated testing is a decent go/no-go but there's no way automated testing
can ever truly replace manual testing, which is generally more exploratory
in nature. We find all sorts of little problems this way. Automated
testing's great for the truly borked installs, but that's about it. I've
included ubuntu-quality so perhaps they can chime in on this one.

I'll also add that those images that have seen the most automated testing
are the ones that are core Canonical products. Those are the ones that have
paid employees working on them constantly. There is a high likelihood that
this is the reason why the quality going into automated testing is already
quite good. I can't say this is equally true for the various flavors.

As for the Release Task Signup, I'm not sure if it's even really truly
clear to all members of community what their new responsibility is. I was
around during the transition, but all of the current release managers were
not. I really don't feel like there's an adequate amount of advertising on
the part of the release team about this. Instead, there seems to be an
expectation that our volunteer release managers are somehow going to be
able to intuit the need to make this happen when they've got other
concerns.

It does seem that there are a core group of committed folks (myself, elfy,
flexiondotorg, and Riddell— some of which are no longer with us) have been
responsible for the community release tasks since the change was made. But
what about the others? There's Kylin, GNOME, Studio, Myth, etc. Maybe
trying to reach them directly might be a good idea.


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Steve Langasek <steve.langa...@ubuntu.com>
wrote:

> Hi Walter,
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:42:07PM -0800, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> > I think it's worthwhile doing alphas, especially for an LTS version.
>
> Could you elaborate what value you see that you're getting out of these
> alphas, that couldn't be achieved more effectively by e.g. automated
> install
> testing against the daily images?  To me it looks very much like momentum:
> we've always done alphas so we should continue to do alphas.  Maybe I'm
> missing something, and if I am then let's by all means proceed with alpha 2
> and give the flavor teams what they need.  But I'd also like to challenge
> folks to think about whether this is still the case, or if there are other
> things we could be doing instead that would provide better value to the
> flavors for the time invested.
>
> > So Lubuntu would like to participate.  I'd certainly love not to have to
> > sign up for Release Tasks, but if I must…
>
> It doesn't seem like there's so much value to the flavors that people want
> to sign up for this in advance. ;)  Isn't this somewhat telling in itself?
>
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Re: Package QA Tracker

[Walter Lapchynski]

so it resets every month?

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On Aug 16, 2015 12:16 AM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

 On 15/08/15 16:35, Simon Quigley wrote:


 If a test result for a package in week 1 of a dev cycle shows a
 fail and has a bug filed against it why is that invalid in week 20
 if it hasn't been fixed?

 My point wasn't that. Then the QA person would have to reattach the
 bug(not so hard if there was somewhat of a history).

 I'm not really sure how removing test results for a cycle is useful.

 I would expect QA people to know if a bug reported against a
 package is still relevant or not.

 ​
 ​Because of regression. If there is package regression and the QA tracker
 shows a passed result, then it would be a little confusing to see a bug
 report
 ​ concerning the same package ​
 by the same person, don't you think?​
 ​

 Or I would be pleased to be in a position to know that it was a regression
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: QA Team on Live Q and A today @ 1600 UTC

[Walter Lapchynski]

Yep. With the Google Hangouts on Air, they are recorded for posterity on
YouTube, just like the Ubuntu Online Session. Usually if you go back to
where the link was to watch, you can just hit play and watch it. But I'll
save you the trouble:
https://youtu.be/fBeRaSjqrmg

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Istimsak Abdulbasir saqman2...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I know missed it. Is there a recap of what was discussed?
 On May 19, 2015 11:42 AM, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
 wrote:

 I'm SO sorry, I got the time wrong. It's at 1700 UTC. I repeat, 1700 UTC.
 This gives you a bit more time.. See you there!

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 wrote:


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 Date: Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:21 AM
 Subject: QA Team on Live Q and A today @ 1600 UTC
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 Max Brustkern https://plus.google.com/110014243183475029083 and Leo
 Arias
 https://plus.google.com/116755371816795179214 will be joining me and
 Michael
 Hall https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939 to talk about QA
 and
 anything else you might ask. Come and ask your questions in today's live
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Re: Some isos not booting

[Walter Lapchynski]

tl;dr post-final Beta Lubuntu Vivid fails to boot in virtual machines,
but not Xubuntu

Brendan said:
 I have this bug about desktop images in virtualbox of both amd64 and i386 
 yesterday
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1441843

I appended the bug report with a lot of information I've collected
from this thread as well as conversations I've had on IRC and
subscribed some of the key people. If you guys could report any
further findings you have about what does and does not work, that
would be great.

With final release coming next week, we need to move quickly if we
intend to have anything but bare metal testing this time around.

I entreaty all flavors to test themselves!

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Re: Some isos not booting

[Walter Lapchynski]

using VMs (which is where the problem lies), that wouldn't be the issue.

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On Apr 9, 2015 8:08 AM, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day all.

  
   I will not claim to be an expert on the images, but if this were the
 case
  then all virtualized environments would be affected, no?  That would
  include those of us using VMware as our solution (such as myself) instead
  of VBox.
  
  
   Thomas
 
  Can't rule it out. Thinking of possible causes.

 I wonder if this could be related to the problem that showed up in 14.10
 where usb-creator under 14.04 made a non-bootable image but usb-creator
 under 14.10 made a bootable image?

 (I might have that off a bit but if not exactly right it is close)

 What about trying alternative boot disk creation methodologies hosted in
 different versions of Ubuntu?
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Re: Some isos not booting

[Walter Lapchynski]

Be careful, Thomas. If you keep up activity like this, we might end up
recruiting you for a permanent position in Lubuntu Testing XD

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Ward tew...@trekweb.org wrote:
 I have 15.04 Ubuntu and Lubuntu amd64 Desktop ISOs downloading now and 
 they'll complete in about an hour - I'll run a boot test on both in a VMware 
 environment after they download.

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 On Apr 8, 2015, at 15:05, Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/91703/downloads

 This has been tested on VirtualBox 4.3.26 from the repos. Not sure if
 it's a problem with the upstream version.

 No such problems on bare metal.

 If anyone wants to try other virtualization solutions, go for it.

 Also other flavors should check their stuff. Apparently this is not
 currently a problem for Xubuntu. Baffling.

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 8 April 2015 at 19:51, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi Elfy,

 Which iso-file is it: Date? 32/64 bits? desktop/alternate?

 Also, to confirm the iso file's identity, could you post its MD5? To get it
 run md5sum filename.iso from the command line.

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Re: Some isos not booting

[Walter Lapchynski]

seems to be that is the case, but only with the desktop installer.
alternate's fine.

haven't checked i386, either, nor have we checked the upstream version of vbox.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Thomas Ward tew...@trekweb.org wrote:
 Well I need the ISOs for other tests, so there.  I'm not likely do be
 doing this permanently.

 The Lubuntu image zsync'd from the downloads link booted successfully
 and a Try Lubuntu got me to the graphical interface from a VMware
 Workstation 10 system.  Same with the Ubuntu image from the same date
 off cdimage.u.c

 Perhaps something about Virtual Box is causing the problem?


 Thomas

 On 04/08/2015 03:13 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
 Be careful, Thomas. If you keep up activity like this, we might end up
 recruiting you for a permanent position in Lubuntu Testing XD

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Ward tew...@trekweb.org wrote:
 I have 15.04 Ubuntu and Lubuntu amd64 Desktop ISOs downloading now and 
 they'll complete in about an hour - I'll run a boot test on both in a 
 VMware environment after they download.

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 *Sent from my iPhone.  Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to 
 happen by accident.*

 On Apr 8, 2015, at 15:05, Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/91703/downloads

 This has been tested on VirtualBox 4.3.26 from the repos. Not sure if
 it's a problem with the upstream version.

 No such problems on bare metal.

 If anyone wants to try other virtualization solutions, go for it.

 Also other flavors should check their stuff. Apparently this is not
 currently a problem for Xubuntu. Baffling.

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 8 April 2015 at 19:51, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Elfy,

 Which iso-file is it: Date? 32/64 bits? desktop/alternate?
 Also, to confirm the iso file's identity, could you post its MD5? To get 
 it
 run md5sum filename.iso from the command line.

 HTH!

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Re: Community Council catchup - QA Team

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I should be there too, albeit a bit distracted by our morning work meeting.

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On Feb 18, 2015 6:38 PM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On 19/02/15 02:06, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:
  I'll be there ;-)

 So will I be

 :D
  On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Nicholas Skaggs 
  nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
 
  On 02/16/2015 12:25 PM, Elfy wrote:
 
  On 24/10/14 10:47, Elfy wrote:
 
  Hello all,
 
  The Community Council is scheduling meetings over the next cycle with
  the various teams, councils and boards in the Ubuntu community.
 
  The  meeting with QA is scheduled for 19th February  @ 17:00UTC.
 
  For more information, please see our Agenda[1] page on the wiki.
 
 
  regards
 
  Elfy
 
  [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
 
   Just a quick reminder that this is coming up on Thursday
   Thanks for the reminder! Everyone, please feel free to come and meet
  with the council. Simply show up on IRC and make your comments known.
 It's
  a great time to review what we're doing and how things are working.
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team announcement: ubuntu-rtm milestone changes

[Walter Lapchynski]

Re: QA signing off on silos and such, how do we participate?

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
lukasz.zemc...@canonical.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 Some of you might already know about it from other announcements: The
 OTA-1 milestone we have planned for the end of this month (ww09-2015
 [1]) will need to happen early due to client requests. How will this
 change the standard situation?

 We will essentially be still following our milestone schedule as before
 [2]. The only difference is that instead of in 2 weeks, everything will
 happen next week instead. So the rough timeline is:

  * February 18th - landing gates get closed and QA finishes signing off
 existing silos
  * February 18th (UTC evening) - the promotion candidate is built and QA
 start their testing
  * February 20th - planned promotion date

 We apologize for the late notice. We know that this leaves very little
 time for submitting fixes, which is why would generally appreciate
 prioritizing critical fixes beyond anything else.

 Let's make this happen.
 Thank you!

 [1]
 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww09-2015
 [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/MilestoneSchedule

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Re: package tracker

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On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
 On 25/01/15 15:19, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
 hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there?
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus
 Walter, the code for that module is here:
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qapkgstatus/.
 I *assume* the actual application list is maintained as part of the database
 installation. I don't have super powers to change it however.

Well, FWIW, neither LXDE or Xfce are in there. Not sure if we care or
not, but it seems like it would be good to have all of our desktop
environments represented.

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Re: Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4

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If you can test anything, you can test the PPA. Not very hardware dependent.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Saqman2060 saqman2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would love to test this if I have adequate hardware. Well do my best though.

 -Original Message-
 From: Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
 Sent: ‎2/‎11/‎2015 11:16 AM
 To: ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Fwd: Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4

 Some good classic desktop fun and testing. Have at it if you've not
 played yet.


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 Subject:Call for testing: GTK 3.15.4
 Date:   Fri, 6 Feb 2015 17:22:35 +
 From:   Iain Lane la...@ubuntu.com
 To: ubuntu-desk...@lists.ubuntu.com
 CC: lars.uebernic...@canonical.com



 Desktop fans,

 We're thinking about having the released version of GTK3 in 15.04 be
 3.16, which is the current in-development version to be released towards
 the end of March.

 This version contains lots of cool stuff

https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Roadmap#line-58

 but the main motivation from our side is that it contains an
 implementation of overlay scrollbars that will allow us to remove our
 existing GTK module which is becoming harder and taking longer to
 maintain over time.

 Please test the versions I've just uploaded to the Ubuntu desktop PPA

ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa

 and let me know if you see any new bad behaviour not mentioned below or
 if you have any good reason we might not want to do this.

 Some known issues which we'll try to fix for the release:

- There's a black notification shown in the greeter
- Not all apps have overlay scrollbars (devhelp, gnome-terminal, ...)
- gnome-terminal shrinks to 1x1 sometimes (cherry-pick
  07fe194eb60aa9ec2eacdafdb4ba6ac91a636f34, but we suspect this may be
  incomplete)
- Overlay scrollbars aren't styled like ours were
- They hide completely when inactive, meaning that you don't know how
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Re: xserver-xorg-input drivers incomplete in some Lubuntu 14.04.2 images

[Walter Lapchynski]

Ah, if you're having problems with extra packages and we're having
problems with missing packages, it may be a similar problem. I've made
mention of our bug on your report and vice versa. Do you actually see
any difference in the seeds or default-settings? I couldn't find
anything in ours.

In any case, it sounds like infinity is planning on delaying the
release of 14.04.2, but from what I can see on the [logs][], it's not
clear (yet) when this is going to happen. My hope is we'll receive
some official announcement on the subject :)

[logs]: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/05/%23ubuntu-release.html#t08:5611

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote:
 On 05/02/15 08:48, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 Den 2015-02-05 09:34, Elfy skrev:
 On 05/02/15 08:02, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 Den 2015-02-05 08:33, Elfy skrev:
 On 05/02/15 00:59, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
 I don't think we're going to be able to release 14.04.2 Lubuntu, much
 to my chagrin. I'm deeply saddened by this, but I've got a real
 showstopper:

 Doesn't look at the moment that we'll be releasing either.

 We've ended up with a whole slew of unwanted packages in our image 
 somehow.

 I'm perplexed by this as well as our developer, so this is
 interesting indeed.

 Basically on SOME images (not all, and not a specific type or a
 specific arch), xserver-xorg-input drivers are not complete. I've
 tried to look at our seeds and can't find anything really surprising,
 and no changes have been made on them in aeons.

 Can anyone provide some insight for further testing?!

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784
 Hi Walter and Elfy,

 Does this mean that Lubuntu and Xubuntu 14.04.2 will be delayed or not
 released at all?
 I would guess that it would mean delays.

 As it stands all of the Xubuntu tests have been critically failed by me.

 I don't want to take this mail anymore offtopic though as it is about a
 specific issue that Lubuntu are seeing :)
 What about for example

 'lubuntu-trusty-desktop-i386.iso'

 where we have found no red bugs?

 Best regards
 Nio


 OK,

 I'll try to be ready for testing if/when a new version of 14.04.2
 arrives :-)
 Looks like a delay is in the pipeline now.

 check the #ubuntu-release logs later when I think the current discussion
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Re: package tracker

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote:
 On 25/01/15 15:19, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
 hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there?
 Why would the package tracker have a desktop environment test?
 Is that not tested when you boot with a lubuntu image?

Sorry, package status:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus

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package tracker

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hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there?

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Community Milestone Process

[Walter Lapchynski]

I have created a document¹ reflecting the roles the community members
are to play in the milestone process. If you have not heard of this, I
encourage you to consider helping for future milestone releases.
Thanks and happy testing ;)

¹ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityMilestoneProcess

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Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Walter Lapchynski]

I know Lubuntu is not the only one with iBus problems so I bring this to
your attention. For a start let me know how it goes Xubuntu, elfy.

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From: Barry Titterton titterton.ba...@gmail.com
Date: Jan 17, 2015 7:29 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10
To: lubuntu user list lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc:




 Forwarded Message   Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard
issues in 14.10  Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:03:25 +  From: Colin Law
clan...@gmail.com clan...@gmail.com  Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk
ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com  To: UK Ubuntu
Talk ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com

On 17 January 2015 at 13:42, Barry Titterton
titterton.ba...@gmail.com titterton.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 17/01/15 13:14, Colin Law wrote:

 On 17 January 2015 at 12:42, Gareth France
 gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote:

 I've been suffering from this since release day but it's driving me nuts
 so
 I have to speak out and see if anyone knows the solution. My machine
 keeps
 defaulting to the American keyboard layout. The icon in the taskbar
 always
 displays UK but the layout is wrong. I have to switch to American and
 then
 back to UK almost every time I boot up to resolve it.

 Sounds like this bug, a fixed version of ibus should be in the repos soon.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ibus/+bug/1240198

 Colin

 The Lubuntu distro has been suffering from ibus problems for quite a while.
 It is nice to know that a fix is on the way.

You can install it from the 'proposed' repo, instructions in one of
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Re: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Walter Lapchynski]

I'm just saying it appears to be fixed. Might be a good reason to add
it back in if you've lost any functionality and/or gotten complaints
from users.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote:
 On 17/01/15 16:05, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

 I know Lubuntu is not the only one with iBus problems so I bring this to
 your attention. For a start let me know how it goes Xubuntu, elfy.


 We had issues in 14.04 that no-one outside of Xubuntu appeared to care about
 - so we don't seed it anymore.

 I saw the same in a few flavours

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635



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 To: lubuntu user list lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com
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  Forwarded Message   Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard
 issues in 14.10  Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:03:25 +  From: Colin Law
 clan...@gmail.com clan...@gmail.com  Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk
 ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com  To: UK Ubuntu
 Talk ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com

 On 17 January 2015 at 13:42, Barry Titterton
 titterton.ba...@gmail.com titterton.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 17/01/15 13:14, Colin Law wrote:

 On 17 January 2015 at 12:42, Gareth France
 gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote:

 I've been suffering from this since release day but it's driving me
 nuts
 so
 I have to speak out and see if anyone knows the solution. My machine
 keeps
 defaulting to the American keyboard layout. The icon in the taskbar
 always
 displays UK but the layout is wrong. I have to switch to American and
 then
 back to UK almost every time I boot up to resolve it.

 Sounds like this bug, a fixed version of ibus should be in the repos
 soon.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ibus/+bug/1240198

 Colin

 The Lubuntu distro has been suffering from ibus problems for quite a
 while.
 It is nice to know that a fix is on the way.

 You can install it from the 'proposed' repo, instructions in one of
 the comments on the bug.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Call for Testing: Unity8 Full Shell Rotation

[Walter Lapchynski]

i'd love to do this but i have a non-canonical (hahahah!) device.
there's supposedly a port but the info's outdated/missing. i've
written the maintainer to no avail. any further ideas?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3110

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
 If you have device, give this a shot!


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 Hi all,
 First, thank you for considering to participate in this testing. Your
 effort helps us find issues to fix  gain the confidence we need to
 land this feature.

 Background...
 Recently the Unity UI team has put in effort around full shell
 rotation. This is the feature where the shell follows the application
 orientations. You might have noticed the indicator panel stays put
 when the messaging application moves from portrait to landscape on the
 phone, this fixes that. Likewise, when an application is fixed to a
 position out of preference, the shell will also remain in the
 applications preferred orientation.

 In order to deliver this feature we had to break applications
 expression of orientation. Which drove us to discuss with our
 Canonical stakeholders in the SDK team, Design team, and Community
 applcations whether or not applications should have to express
 rotation support (opt-in) or rotate all applications by default,
 unless they specify their orientations (opt-out). We collectively
 decided it's best to have an opt-out approach. We've included this
 change into this ppa for testing. So it's a great opportunity for
 application developers to update their applications and test ahead of
 our landing.

 the plan
 Everything you need to know is here
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8/FullShellRotation

 I will ask for a little grace on this as I feel I may have pushed this
 out a bit early. The feature is working on phone but there are
 definitely issues on unity8-desktop  tablets that would prevent us
 from landing. However I felt like making this call for testing now was
 important to start getting feedback and ready folks for the idea of
 opt-out application rotation. That being said we'll probably keep this
 call for testing open a bit longer than one might expect to both get
 comfortable  confident with the change, as well as make the final bug
 fixes/polish needed to get it landed.

 If you have any questions, let me know.
 Thanks for testing!
 br,kg

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Re: Ubuntu-quality Digest, Vol 84, Issue 29

[Walter Lapchynski]

 me
 Ian Bruntlett

 Point taken. However I want to avoid clogging up developer's time with bug
 reports that were either caused by the tester or tester's hardware.

Better to report and have the report invalidated than to have no report at all.

 Please make sure to subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, by the way.
 Done that :)

I mean subscribe the team to the bug report.

 FYI the problems I've been experiencing have been written up on:-
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/1385920

It's a good start. Needs a bunch more info. Keep an eye out there.
Let's continue this conversation on that bug report. Having all the
documentation on that report will be essential for people to make
sense of it all.

 I am using  Lubuntu
 alternate i386. I don't recall seeing a live cd option there.

That's what the Desktop version is.

 I have a (paper, hardback, A5) notebook that I document my adventures on to
 avoid getting extremely confused.

You should make sure what you find is documented in the wiki for
others to keep from getting confused, too!

 Now all I need to do is to find the appropriate package to install
 the Intel 810 graphics drivers from.

What makes you think this is your problem, besides the video mode
error? You know you can change video mode at boot time, right?

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-16.html

Subsequently, if you find the right mode, you can permanently edit
GRUB to use this.

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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

[Walter Lapchynski]

Ian Bruntlett said:
 I have tested 2 lubuntu images.

Which ones? At this point you should be checking the images here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds

Judging by your message, you were using the alternate version. You
have come across two fixed bugs.

 The first one displayed a blank screen
 where a login screen should have been visible.

The bug report that should be related to this one is here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651
This bug existed in the release of Beta2 (20140926), but was fixed in
the daily image 20140929.

 The other one failed to
 install, the key error message from the installer being No installable
 kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The installer still installed
 the packages. On booting, as could be expected, there was no kernel and the
 system boots straight into memtest86+

The bug report that should be related to this one is here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774
Note this fix came with the 20141017.1 image version of the Final release.

 Originally I didn't post anything because by the time I found them, they
 were already listed on the appropriate Ubuntu web pages. What would you
 prefer I do in future? Report only bugs that haven't been listed? Or report
 listed bugs with info about how a known bug affects my particular test
 system?

I would suggest searching for similar bug reports (you would have
found them easily) and/or looking for what other people are reporting
on the tracker for the relevant day. If you get these problems that no
one else gets, it's pretty unlikely.

However, the possibility exists of some sort of regression. I find it
unlikely, but it's possible. If you are using the right image and have
checked the md5 (use zsync, it does it for you), please get in touch
ASAP.

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