Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
On 10/07/2014 04:37 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
Den 2014-10-07 07:15, Ali Linx skrev:
On 10/07/2014 02:30 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
Den 2014-10-06 16:04, Alberto Salvia Novella skrev:
Nio Wiklund:
If the PAE issue stops you, the computer
will stop very early, not act like you described.
In
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_3304663011951813746_n.jpg,
the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says
in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE.
Hi Alberto and Ali,
Hi everyone,
My mistake, I must have read only the text in the mail and from that
concluded that the computer booted and even logged in and out. Maybe I
confused it with the dialogue in another thread.
But --forcepae in the picture is not correct. It should be -- forcepae
{space}--{space}forcepae at the end of that line.
That picture was when I tried to boot Xubuntu 14.04 from a LiveUSB and
yes, I have not added space between -- and forcepae so that was
possibly the reason why I got that error on the taken picture that
Alberto included which I attached to the bug report :)
I hope it helps you Ali :-)
My main issue is not booting the system. That is a minor issue and it is
solved.
The main problem here is that the machine is not usable. Almost most if
not all is lagging after logging to the desktop.
Best regards
Nio
Okay, this machine is playing hide and seek with me.
Xubuntu 12.04 (Kernel: 3.2.0-69) is working now without any problem.
Yesterday, I was trying to install xubuntu-restricted-extras and it
never worked neither from Terminal, nor Synaptic nor Ubuntu Software
Center. The machine was frozen when I tried and it did not even let me
finish the command sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras ...
Now, it seems fine.
I have rebooted many times yesterday with no luck.
It seems better today.
No idea what is going on with that machine ...
Maybe it is the load on the CPU because with such weak machine, it is
very easy to see the CPU usage at 100% and very easy to produce that.
Thanks!
Hi again,
Hello again,
It could also be a hardware error, anything from a bad (electric)
connection to bad ram or a failing component on the motherboard or a
failing power supply unit (giving low voltage, near the limit).
You are right. It has 1023 bad sectors and it says: Disk Failure is
Imminent so I will tell the owner of the machine. He knows his machine
is very old and he just wanted to try GNU/Linux on it before installing
it on any other newer machine of his.
Best regards
Nio
Thank you for everything, both of you :)
I think so far so good .. hope I won't face any problem again :)
No, I don't think he is interested to replace his HDD and therefore, I
will ask him not to complain in case his machine will be frozen again ;)
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Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Nio Wiklund: If the PAE issue stops you, the computer will stop very early, not act like you described. In https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_3304663011951813746_n.jpg, the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
After much nagging, 14.04 includes force pae as default. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE Top of the page :) Regards, Phill. On 6 October 2014 15:04, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: Nio Wiklund: If the PAE issue stops you, the computer will stop very early, not act like you described. In https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_ 3304663011951813746_n.jpg, the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Den 2014-10-06 16:04, Alberto Salvia Novella skrev:
Nio Wiklund:
If the PAE issue stops you, the computer
will stop very early, not act like you described.
In
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_3304663011951813746_n.jpg,
the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says
in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE.
Hi Alberto and Ali,
My mistake, I must have read only the text in the mail and from that
concluded that the computer booted and even logged in and out. Maybe I
confused it with the dialogue in another thread.
But --forcepae in the picture is not correct. It should be -- forcepae
{space}--{space}forcepae at the end of that line.
I hope it helps you Ali :-)
Best regards
Nio
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Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Den 2014-10-06 16:04, Alberto Salvia Novella skrev:
Nio Wiklund:
If the PAE issue stops you, the computer
will stop very early, not act like you described.
In
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_3304663011951813746_n.jpg,
the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says
in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE.
Hi Alberto and Ali,
My mistake, I must have read only the text in the mail and from that
concluded that the computer booted and even logged in and out. Maybe I
confused it with the dialogue in another thread.
But --forcepae in the picture is not correct. It should be -- forcepae
{space}--{space}forcepae at the end of that line.
I hope it helps you Ali :-)
Best regards
Nio
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Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
On 10/06/2014 04:13 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi Ali, Hello Nio and everyone, I think you have another problem, not the PAE issue, maybe some hardware driver, that is somehow lost. If the PAE issue stops you, the computer will stop very early, not act like you described. This is what I already know. However, I was confused when Alberto sent that bug report. I am confused now even more as I have tried Xubuntu 12.04.4 and odd enough, the system is barely usable. Once I try to open Synaptic or Ubuntu Software Center to try the system before I give it back to its owner, the machine will be frozen and after some time, it becomes usable but so slow. If I want to run a command on Terminal and press Tab to finish the command to the end, the machine will be frozen. Everything is fine with Xubuntu 12.04.4 until I start doing something on Terminal or open Synaptic for example. Please specify the - graphics chip/card - wifi chip/card Attached is the output of: sudo lshw Can you run in text mode? Does it help with some more boot option, for example nomodeset? Try also the other suggested boot options (more than one each time is possible). From +4 years with the same graphics card, I have never faced any issue with that driver. It might be some other driver rather than the graphics. I don't really know. I haven't tried any other option (boot options). Best regards Nio Thank you! P.S. I can tell that even Xubuntu 12.04.4 is very slow for that machine. It seems it needs something really lightweight. It has only one CPU (one core). That is why I started ToriOS. It is super light and it works with NON-PAE CPU by default. User just need to download and install the system, that is all. The only thing that is stopping me from using ToriOS is it is still under heavy development. -- Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad khalid-compaq-nx9030 description: Notebook version: Rev 1 width: 32 bits capabilities: smbios-2.31 dmi-2.31 configuration: administrator_password=enabled boot=oem-specific chassis=notebook frontpanel_password=unknown keyboard_password=unknown power-on_password=enabled uuid=006E0D9F-53FD-D811-80E7-00C09F4DCCD9 *-core description: Motherboard product: 3084 vendor: Quanta physical id: 0 version: 41.0D serial: None *-firmware description: BIOS vendor: Hewlett-Packard physical id: 0 version: F.16 date: 08/03/2005 size: 108KiB capacity: 448KiB capabilities: isa pci pcmcia pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb agp smartbattery biosbootspecification *-cpu description: CPU product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz vendor: Intel Corp. physical id: 4 bus info: cpu@0 version: 6.13.6 slot: U1 size: 1400MHz capacity: 1400MHz width: 32 bits clock: 100MHz capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe up bts est tm2 cpufreq *-cache:0 description: L1 cache physical id: 5 slot: L1 Cache size: 32KiB capacity: 32KiB capabilities: asynchronous internal write-back *-cache:1 description: L2 cache physical id: 6 slot: L2 Cache size: 2MiB capacity: 2MiB capabilities: burst internal write-back *-memory description: System Memory physical id: a slot: System board or motherboard size: 2GiB capacity: 2GiB *-bank:0 description: DIMM DDR Synchronous physical id: 0 slot: J5G3 size: 1GiB width: 64 bits *-bank:1 description: DIMM DDR Synchronous physical id: 1 slot: J5G2 size: 1GiB width: 64 bits *-pci description: Host bridge product: 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 100 bus info: pci@:00:00.0 version: 02 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz configuration: driver=agpgart-intel resources: irq:0 *-generic:0 UNCLAIMED description: System peripheral product: 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 0.1 bus info: pci@:00:00.1 version: 02 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: bus_master configuration: latency=0 *-generic:1 UNCLAIMED
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Den 2014-10-07 06:00, Ali Linx skrev: *-display:0 description: VGA compatible controller product: 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device vendor: Intel Corporation Hi Ali, I would try UXA acceleration with this graphics (found by lshw) *-display:0 description: VGA compatible controller product: 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device vendor: Intel Corporation See this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods#Old_Intel_graphics Work-around: Edit (or create) /etc/X11/xorg.conf as follows: (there should be a tab before each line except the first and the last). Section Device Identifier Intel Graphics Driver intel Option AccelMethod uxa EndSection But the computer is old and weak, so maybe a really small linux distro might help getting it fast, for example Wary Puppy (until ToriOS has a stable release). Best regards Nio -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
On 10/07/2014 02:30 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
Den 2014-10-06 16:04, Alberto Salvia Novella skrev:
Nio Wiklund:
If the PAE issue stops you, the computer
will stop very early, not act like you described.
In
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186622425/10600520_10203068700657798_3304663011951813746_n.jpg,
the kernel says it's a matter of PAE; what fits what documentation says
in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE.
Hi Alberto and Ali,
Hi everyone,
My mistake, I must have read only the text in the mail and from that
concluded that the computer booted and even logged in and out. Maybe I
confused it with the dialogue in another thread.
But --forcepae in the picture is not correct. It should be -- forcepae
{space}--{space}forcepae at the end of that line.
That picture was when I tried to boot Xubuntu 14.04 from a LiveUSB and
yes, I have not added space between -- and forcepae so that was
possibly the reason why I got that error on the taken picture that
Alberto included which I attached to the bug report :)
I hope it helps you Ali :-)
My main issue is not booting the system. That is a minor issue and it is
solved.
The main problem here is that the machine is not usable. Almost most if
not all is lagging after logging to the desktop.
Best regards
Nio
Okay, this machine is playing hide and seek with me.
Xubuntu 12.04 (Kernel: 3.2.0-69) is working now without any problem.
Yesterday, I was trying to install xubuntu-restricted-extras and it
never worked neither from Terminal, nor Synaptic nor Ubuntu Software
Center. The machine was frozen when I tried and it did not even let me
finish the command sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras ...
Now, it seems fine.
I have rebooted many times yesterday with no luck.
It seems better today.
No idea what is going on with that machine ...
Maybe it is the load on the CPU because with such weak machine, it is
very easy to see the CPU usage at 100% and very easy to produce that.
Thanks!
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HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Hi everyone, First of all, sorry if I am sending this to this list but I believe it is the best channel to ask about the issue. I have a very old machine (hp compaq nx9030) with Pentium M CPU. You can't install 14.04 unless you add: forcepae before you boot from the LiveUSB: http://askubuntu.com/questions/450400/install-lubuntu-14-04-lts-on-a-non-pae-processor The CPU has PAE but its flag is showing NON-PAE. That is why, when forcepae does work. We all know that the kernel in 14.04 is PAE. Starting from 12.10, all *ubuntu family moved to PAE Kernel instead of NON-PAE. Lubuntu 14.04 and Xubuntu 14.04 installed successfully on that machine. The problem starts when I upgrade to 14.04.1 .. the machine will stop responding after the login. With Lubuntu 14.04.1, every time I login to the desktop, it shows the desktop with an error message that I can't read and quickly go back to the login screen. Mouse is frozen. With Xubuntu 14.04.1, it is a bit better but mouse frozen and everything is broken after login. It does not however go back to the login screen like Lubuntu. I have tried ToriOS Alpha (http://torios.org/) and it worked perfectly. The only problem with ToriOS is it is still under heavy development and I can't give a new user to GNU/Linux a machine with Alpha system. My questions: Have anyone faced the same issue with Pentium M CPU? If yes, how do I go around this issue without problems? This is my 62nd convert from Windows to GNU/Linux (StartUbuntu in real life) [1] and I'd be very happy to fully convert it to GNU/Linux. I have never used Pentium M before. This is my first time. All my installations for the last 4 years were successful. This is the first time I face this issue so please advise :) Many thanks! [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/Activities#Convert_Users_in_Real_Life -- Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Ali Linx: The CPU has PAE but its flag is showing NON-PAE. That is why, when forcepae does work. We all know that the kernel in 14.04 is PAE. Starting from 12.10, all *ubuntu family moved to PAE Kernel instead of NON-PAE. Ali, is this your problem?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307105 -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Ali Linx: Will try and report back, thanks :) You are welcome :) -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
On 10/06/2014 01:09 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: Ali Linx: Will try and report back, thanks :) You are welcome :) Hi, Sadly, it did not work :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307105/comments/18 I have also tried to edit: etc/default/grub as per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307105/comments/4 But that did not work either :( -- Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: HP Compaq nx9030 and 14.04.1
Ali Linx: Sadly, it did not work :( There's a guide on how to treat this situation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
