Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Den 2014-10-27 14:50, Ian Bruntlett skrev:
...
 Also... quick question. I have tried googling for Kernel paramters but
 found nothing authoritative. Would you mind either telling me what the
 quiet and splash parameters do or point me in the direction of a relevant
 web page?
 
 Still perservering!
 
 BW,
 
 
 Ian
 

Hi Ian,

See these links about boot options alias kernel parameters

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common_Kernel_Options

http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt

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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-27 Thread Ian Bruntlett
Hi,

Made some progress.

linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-23-generic root=UUID=etc ro nomodeset quiet
splash vga=768
You see some kernel messages. Then X starts up Then a kernel message about
starting up NTP appears and a few messages after that, we have a big black
screen. At this point I pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and logged in as a text mode
user. Now all I need to do is to find the appropriate package to install
the Intel 810 graphics drivers from. I prefer to do a sudo apt-get install
but have recently discovered the text mode package manager aptitude.

TIA,


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-26 Thread Ian Bruntlett
Hi Walter,

On 25 October 2014 23:02, Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 I think professionalism in programming would suggest creating a bug
 report. Indeed, that is the best place to have all this
 troubleshooting information exist. This way bug triagers, users, and
 developers can sort through it and try to make sense out of it.

Point taken. However I want to avoid clogging up developer's time with bug
reports that were either caused by the tester or tester's hardware. I've
done all the testing I can and got nowhere. This bug, however, has got me
stumped. Could you refer me to a particular page to report this bug? I have
an Ubuntu One account and am subscribed to these e-mail mailing lists:-
* ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com
* lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com

I can tell you as Lubuntu's Release Manager, we had no such bug come
 up during the cycle except the one I already mentioned that was fixed
 and that affected all flavors.

OK. Please bear in mind that whilst I have some Linux experience I find the
Ubuntu site difficult to  navigate.


 Please make sure to subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, by the way.
 Thanks!

Done that :)

BW,


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-26 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella

Ian Bruntlett:
 However I want to avoid clogging up developer's time with bug
 reports that were either caused by the tester or tester's hardware.

Working in new bugs is useless anyway, having plenty of confirmed ones. 
But reporting bugs brings the opportunity to the next user to confirm them.




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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-25 Thread Ian Bruntlett
OK... to eliminate hardware failure being the problem, I dug out my Ubuntu
14.04LTS CD-R and reinstalled it on my Dell test system. When it comes to
logging on, I do tend to get a white and black screen with some squiggles.
This computer works fine with 14.04LTS and fails with 14.10.

Just to test the system further I ran the Software Updater and it ran OK.
Towards the end it was quite slow but the system's performance is fine.

Looked in the dmesg text and that revealed my graphics is being supplied by
an Intel 810 chipset.


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-23 Thread Ian Bruntlett
P.S. I have a few ideas up my sleeve to try and install this lubuntu image.
Will take some time so will try it out tonight.

HTH,


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-23 Thread Ian Bruntlett
Hi All,

On 23 October 2014 10:15, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com wrote:

 P.S. I have a few ideas up my sleeve to try and install this lubuntu
 image. Will take some time so will try it out tonight.

Tonight, during the install, when the message Undefined video mode number
: 314. Press ENTER to see video modes available appeared I pressed ENTER
and chose video mode 0. Booting this system still results in a white screen
with a black squiggle on it.

I downloaded the official 14.10 alternate lubuntu 386 installer and will be
trying it at the weekend.

The isos I'm working with are:
e4f3ad46fa269104b01aff422d17b079  utopic-alternate-i386-20141022.iso
49c072a9492201456b22200d66f697d5  lubuntu-14.10-alternate-i386.iso

BW,


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-22 Thread Ian Bruntlett
Hi Phil,

On 21 October 2014 23:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 @ Ian, I see no notification on that bug of anyone rejecting the fix. Will
 you please ensure you have an up to date image. As this bug would also
 knock out ubuntu server, I would expect people to be squealing really
 loudly by now.

The bug number is 1380774 and according to
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects is already fixed.

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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-22 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
The aforementioned bugs should all be fixed and the release team has respun
the images. Please update your images and test them again. Confirm the bugs
are fixed and nothing else has regressed. If you've not yet submitted a
result, please do so now. We need positive results as well!

Thanks and happy testing!

Nicholas

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Phil,

 On 21 October 2014 23:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 @ Ian, I see no notification on that bug of anyone rejecting the fix.
 Will you please ensure you have an up to date image. As this bug would also
 knock out ubuntu server, I would expect people to be squealing really
 loudly by now.

 The bug number is 1380774 and according to
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects is already fixed.

 BW,


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-21 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
Thanks to everyone for the results, keep'em coming!  If you haven't yet
submitted test results, please do so. We currently have a few critical bugs
affecting the images;

http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380774
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1325801
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1362333


Nicholas

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:57 PM, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Just to add some better news... but 1325801 offers a workaround, which
 made everything work with installation albeit at 1024 X 768.  also bug
 1295961 which deals with the non support in nouveau of the GTX750 card
 offers a ppa which gives a clean installation of the needed (proprietary)
 drivers.

 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Nicholas and list,

 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Nicholas Skaggs 
 nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:

 On 10/16/2014 03:03 PM, Colin Law wrote:

 On 16 October 2014 19:17, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Nicholas, list;

 One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it
 seems
 that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a really
 low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I can't
 read
 the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can
 not
 be resized

 You can move a window on screen by holding down Alt and mouse dragging.

 Colin

  Chris, Colin is correct, so you should be able to slide any windows
 you need to into view. As to the bug, I would report it against the nouveau
 driver which is what would be used during the installation. I have a few
 questions that would be useful to answer in the bug report. Does this
 happen during a live session as well? After installation, does the desktop
 still boot into a low resolution?

 Thanks for testing!


 Thanks, Nicholas.  As it was, I had to run live because of bug 1325801
 which affected me as well.  Live was the ultra-low resolution view, I'm
 guessing 640 X 480.  Once installed, the system booted into a slightly
 higher view (didn't check but I bet it was 1024 X 768).  The latest NVIDIA
 driver offered by the repositories does not support the 750.  And sadly, I
 was unable to get the NVIDIA generic installation to work though it runs
 fine on my 14.04 installation.

 Sounds like a bunch of bug reports in all different directions...



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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Nicholas,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774 is fix released,
was done Friday 17th October.

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2014 16:08, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for the results, keep'em coming!  If you haven't yet
 submitted test results, please do so. We currently have a few critical bugs
 affecting the images;

 http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380774
 http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1325801
 http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1362333


 Nicholas

 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:57 PM, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Just to add some better news... but 1325801 offers a workaround, which
  made everything work with installation albeit at 1024 X 768.  also bug
  1295961 which deals with the non support in nouveau of the GTX750 card
  offers a ppa which gives a clean installation of the needed (proprietary)
  drivers.
 
  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Nicholas and list,
 
  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Nicholas Skaggs 
  nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
 
  On 10/16/2014 03:03 PM, Colin Law wrote:
 
  On 16 October 2014 19:17, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Nicholas, list;
 
  One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it
  seems
  that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a
 really
  low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I
 can't
  read
  the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can
  not
  be resized
 
  You can move a window on screen by holding down Alt and mouse
 dragging.
 
  Colin
 
   Chris, Colin is correct, so you should be able to slide any windows
  you need to into view. As to the bug, I would report it against the
 nouveau
  driver which is what would be used during the installation. I have a
 few
  questions that would be useful to answer in the bug report. Does this
  happen during a live session as well? After installation, does the
 desktop
  still boot into a low resolution?
 
  Thanks for testing!
 
 
  Thanks, Nicholas.  As it was, I had to run live because of bug 1325801
  which affected me as well.  Live was the ultra-low resolution view, I'm
  guessing 640 X 480.  Once installed, the system booted into a slightly
  higher view (didn't check but I bet it was 1024 X 768).  The latest
 NVIDIA
  driver offered by the repositories does not support the 750.  And
 sadly, I
  was unable to get the NVIDIA generic installation to work though it runs
  fine on my 14.04 installation.
 
  Sounds like a bunch of bug reports in all different directions...
 
 
 
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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-21 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
When you find bugs that are already reported, that's good data for the bug.
I would report the result on the isotracker and then provide a link to the
pre-existing bug report. On the bug report, I would click the 'also affects
me' button at the top of the page. This raises the bug heat and is the best
way to say 'this affects me too'.

If you believe you have valuable info to add, please do comment on the bug
report. Just avoid adding the me too! type comments. This means if the
only comments you can add to the bug are that your machine is also broke,
even if you provide the machine details, you don't need to leave the
comment. By clicking 'affects me' you've already sent this data point. On
the other hand if you can provide more details about the bug, or the bug
behaves uniquely for you, etc, please do comment. *Sometimes* this might
mean you would leave a comment saying it affects brand X of hardware as
well as what's listed in the bug, but only when the bug itself mentions
these specific limitations.

Bugsquaders, please feel free to correct if I mispoke on anything above :-)
I trust this helps and makes sense. Thanks so much for testing!

Nicholas

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Nicholas,

 On 21 October 2014 16:19, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  On 21 October 2014 16:08, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
 
  wrote:
 
   Thanks to everyone for the results, keep'em coming!  If you haven't yet
   submitted test results, please do so. We currently have a few critical
  bugs
   affecting the images;
  
   http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380774
   http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1325801
   http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1362333
 
 I have tested 2 lubuntu images. The first one displayed a blank screen
 where a login screen should have been visible. The other one failed to
 install, the key error message from the installer being No installable
 kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The installer still installed
 the packages. On booting, as could be expected, there was no kernel and the
 system boots straight into memtest86+

 Originally I didn't post anything because by the time I found them, they
 were already listed on the appropriate Ubuntu web pages. What would you
 prefer I do in future? Report only bugs that haven't been listed? Or report
 listed bugs with info about how a known bug affects my particular test
 system?

 BW


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Using an up to date image is useful.

I repeat that this was fixed last Friday..

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774/comments/33
and
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774/comments/34

@ Ian, I see no notification on that bug of anyone rejecting the fix. Will
you please ensure you have an up to date image. As this bug would also
knock out ubuntu server, I would expect people to be squealing really
loudly by now.

@ Brian, As this is so critical, what else could we do?

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2014 19:49, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
wrote:

 When you find bugs that are already reported, that's good data for the bug.
 I would report the result on the isotracker and then provide a link to the
 pre-existing bug report. On the bug report, I would click the 'also affects
 me' button at the top of the page. This raises the bug heat and is the best
 way to say 'this affects me too'.

 If you believe you have valuable info to add, please do comment on the bug
 report. Just avoid adding the me too! type comments. This means if the
 only comments you can add to the bug are that your machine is also broke,
 even if you provide the machine details, you don't need to leave the
 comment. By clicking 'affects me' you've already sent this data point. On
 the other hand if you can provide more details about the bug, or the bug
 behaves uniquely for you, etc, please do comment. *Sometimes* this might
 mean you would leave a comment saying it affects brand X of hardware as
 well as what's listed in the bug, but only when the bug itself mentions
 these specific limitations.

 Bugsquaders, please feel free to correct if I mispoke on anything above :-)
 I trust this helps and makes sense. Thanks so much for testing!

 Nicholas

 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Ian Bruntlett ian.bruntl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Nicholas,
 
  On 21 October 2014 16:19, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 
   On 21 October 2014 16:08, Nicholas Skaggs 
 nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
  
   wrote:
  
Thanks to everyone for the results, keep'em coming!  If you haven't
 yet
submitted test results, please do so. We currently have a few
 critical
   bugs
affecting the images;
   
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380774
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1325801
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1362333
  
  I have tested 2 lubuntu images. The first one displayed a blank screen
  where a login screen should have been visible. The other one failed to
  install, the key error message from the installer being No installable
  kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The installer still
 installed
  the packages. On booting, as could be expected, there was no kernel and
 the
  system boots straight into memtest86+
 
  Originally I didn't post anything because by the time I found them, they
  were already listed on the appropriate Ubuntu web pages. What would you
  prefer I do in future? Report only bugs that haven't been listed? Or
 report
  listed bugs with info about how a known bug affects my particular test
  system?
 
  BW
 
 
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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Ian Bruntlett said:
 I have tested 2 lubuntu images.

Which ones? At this point you should be checking the images here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds

Judging by your message, you were using the alternate version. You
have come across two fixed bugs.

 The first one displayed a blank screen
 where a login screen should have been visible.

The bug report that should be related to this one is here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651
This bug existed in the release of Beta2 (20140926), but was fixed in
the daily image 20140929.

 The other one failed to
 install, the key error message from the installer being No installable
 kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The installer still installed
 the packages. On booting, as could be expected, there was no kernel and the
 system boots straight into memtest86+

The bug report that should be related to this one is here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1380774
Note this fix came with the 20141017.1 image version of the Final release.

 Originally I didn't post anything because by the time I found them, they
 were already listed on the appropriate Ubuntu web pages. What would you
 prefer I do in future? Report only bugs that haven't been listed? Or report
 listed bugs with info about how a known bug affects my particular test
 system?

I would suggest searching for similar bug reports (you would have
found them easily) and/or looking for what other people are reporting
on the tracker for the relevant day. If you get these problems that no
one else gets, it's pretty unlikely.

However, the possibility exists of some sort of regression. I find it
unlikely, but it's possible. If you are using the right image and have
checked the md5 (use zsync, it does it for you), please get in touch
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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-16 Thread Nicholas Skaggs

On 10/10/2014 11:54 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
We're just about a week away from the first RC images for utopic 
hitting the image tracker. Please plan to help test the images as they 
appear. RC images should appear on the tracker by Oct 17th and no 
later than October 20th.


Never tested an image before? Checkout the information on the wiki, 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker and 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough. You can sharpen your 
skills right now by testing a daily image. If you encounter any issues 
during testing please don't hestiate to ask for help. Don't forget, 
you can talk in realtime on IRC on freenode @ #ubuntu-quality.


http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-quality

A big thank you to all of you who have and will participate in making 
sure utopic is the best quality it can be. Happy Testing!


Nicholas

The images are here!

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds

Please help test these images as they will become the final version of 
utopic for ubuntu and its flavors!


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-16 Thread chris hermansen
Nicholas, list;

One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it seems
that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a really
low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I can't read
the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can not
be resized... also there are no other drivers detected, though I know that
NVIDIA has some closed source drivers that work fine with this card.

How should I go about reporting this kind of thing?  I am continuing the
install blind to see if, once installed, I can get decent screen
resolution without resorting to packages outside the distro.

Thanks in advance

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:

 On 10/10/2014 11:54 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

 We're just about a week away from the first RC images for utopic hitting
 the image tracker. Please plan to help test the images as they appear. RC
 images should appear on the tracker by Oct 17th and no later than October
 20th.

 Never tested an image before? Checkout the information on the wiki,
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
 Testing/ISO/Walkthrough. You can sharpen your skills right now by
 testing a daily image. If you encounter any issues during testing please
 don't hestiate to ask for help. Don't forget, you can talk in realtime on
 IRC on freenode @ #ubuntu-quality.

 http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-quality

 A big thank you to all of you who have and will participate in making
 sure utopic is the best quality it can be. Happy Testing!

 Nicholas

 The images are here!

 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds

 Please help test these images as they will become the final version of
 utopic for ubuntu and its flavors!


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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 October 2014 19:17, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nicholas, list;

 One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it seems
 that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a really
 low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I can't read
 the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can not
 be resized

You can move a window on screen by holding down Alt and mouse dragging.

Colin

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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-16 Thread Nicholas Skaggs

On 10/16/2014 03:03 PM, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 October 2014 19:17, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote:

Nicholas, list;

One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it seems
that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a really
low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I can't read
the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can not
be resized

You can move a window on screen by holding down Alt and mouse dragging.

Colin

Chris, Colin is correct, so you should be able to slide any windows you 
need to into view. As to the bug, I would report it against the nouveau 
driver which is what would be used during the installation. I have a few 
questions that would be useful to answer in the bug report. Does this 
happen during a live session as well? After installation, does the 
desktop still boot into a low resolution?


Thanks for testing!

Nicholas

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Re: Final Image Testing for Utopic!

2014-10-16 Thread chris hermansen
Colin and list,

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Colin Law clan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 16 October 2014 19:17, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nicholas, list;
 
  One problem I have run into that I'm not clear on how to report - it
 seems
  that my NVIDIA 750 is not correctly supported and I am put in a really
  low-resolution graphics mode.  In fact, so low resolution that I can't
 read
  the bottom half of the screen settings, and of course that window can not
  be resized

 You can move a window on screen by holding down Alt and mouse dragging.


Argh, good point, I forgot about that.  Thanks!



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