Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-23 Thread Nicholas Skaggs 

On 04/22/2013 08:35 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:

Hi Nick,

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 06:03:38PM -0400, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

Excellent, thanks Vasudevan.
So open question to the release team -- should these two packages be
on the iso?
hyphen-en-us
thunderbird-locale-en
(I reckon for all default languages they are missing as well).
I checked the filesystem manifest for the latest raring iso and
indeed these are missing. And we prompt then upon login to install
them if you do a non-network english install. My guess is for our
supported languages we should include these packages. Thoughts?

It's expected/intended that these packages are not included on the ISO.
The first time the machine is connected to the network, you're offered the
option to install them; but they're optional packages, and including them on
the CD would mean a trade-off between never prompting to install extra
packages for language support, and fitting more languages on the image.  I
think making the image useful to users of more languages when no network is
available at all is worthwhile.

BTW, when you say "prompt upon login if you do a non-network install", you
mean that you're prompted if you did a non-network install and then
connected to the network post-install, correct?  Obviously if you have no
network, we shouldn't prompt you to install packages you'll be unable to
download.

Steve, thank you for the response. Great, so what we're seeing is 
as-expected and working properly. And yes, I meant doing a non-network 
install, and then after installation configure a network.


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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek 
Hi Nick,

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 06:03:38PM -0400, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
> Excellent, thanks Vasudevan.

> So open question to the release team -- should these two packages be
> on the iso?
> hyphen-en-us
> thunderbird-locale-en

> (I reckon for all default languages they are missing as well).

> I checked the filesystem manifest for the latest raring iso and
> indeed these are missing. And we prompt then upon login to install
> them if you do a non-network english install. My guess is for our
> supported languages we should include these packages. Thoughts?

It's expected/intended that these packages are not included on the ISO.
The first time the machine is connected to the network, you're offered the
option to install them; but they're optional packages, and including them on
the CD would mean a trade-off between never prompting to install extra
packages for language support, and fitting more languages on the image.  I
think making the image useful to users of more languages when no network is
available at all is worthwhile.

BTW, when you say "prompt upon login if you do a non-network install", you
mean that you're prompted if you did a non-network install and then
connected to the network post-install, correct?  Obviously if you have no
network, we shouldn't prompt you to install packages you'll be unable to
download.

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> On 04/18/2013 05:02 PM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
> >Hi Nicholas,
> >This is the info that I have:
> >Some translations or writing aids available for your chosen
> >languages are not installed yet -
> >Details
> >hyphen-en-us
> >thunderbird-locale-en
> >
> >contents for one of the preseed files from 1304 iso
> >
> >cat /mnt/preseed/cli.seed
> ># Only install the standard system and language packs.
> >taskseltasksel/firstmultiselect
> >d-ipkgsel/language-pack-patternsstring
> ># No language support packages.
> >d-ipkgsel/install-language-supportboolean false
> >
> >Vasudevan
> >On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil
> >mailto:vasudeva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >Yes - installed it with out internet access.
> >After installation, ran apt-get update and still got it.
> >Will try to see what all language packs got installed.
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages?
> >Odds are the following happened:
> >
> >You installed without internet access
> >The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't
> >on the cd
> >
> >Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we
> >can narrow if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's
> >most certainly a bug. If they aren't we'll have to confer with
> >the release team about whether or not they should be included.
> >I hope that makes sense! Let us know!
> >
> >Nicholas
> >
> >
> >On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
> >
> >After installation, this window pops up.
> >"The language support for your selected language seems to
> >be incomplete ... etc."
> >Installation options were default - language - US English
> >Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-18 Thread chris hermansen 
As long as I can remember a first step in installing Ubuntu is finishing
this language install (I guess back to Feisty anyway); I have seen this
because I always install French and Spanish and this prompt comes up when
the language settings is run.

So... in answer to Nicholas' suggestion, +1.

Chris Hermansen · clherman...@gmail.com

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On Apr 18, 2013 3:04 PM, "Nicholas Skaggs" 
wrote:

>  Excellent, thanks Vasudevan.
>
> So open question to the release team -- should these two packages be on
> the iso?
> hyphen-en-us
> thunderbird-locale-en
>
> (I reckon for all default languages they are missing as well).
>
> I checked the filesystem manifest for the latest raring iso and indeed
> these are missing. And we prompt then upon login to install them if you do
> a non-network english install. My guess is for our supported languages we
> should include these packages. Thoughts?
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 04/18/2013 05:02 PM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
>
> Hi Nicholas,
> This is the info that I have:
> Some translations or writing aids available for your chosen languages are
> not installed yet -
> Details
> hyphen-en-us
> thunderbird-locale-en
>
> contents for one of the preseed files from 1304 iso
>
> cat /mnt/preseed/cli.seed
> # Only install the standard system and language packs.
> taskseltasksel/firstmultiselect
> d-ipkgsel/language-pack-patternsstring
> # No language support packages.
> d-ipkgsel/install-language-supportboolean false
>
> Vasudevan
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil  > wrote:
>
>> Yes - installed it with out internet access.
>> After installation, ran apt-get update and still got it.
>> Will try to see what all language packs got installed.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Skaggs <
>> nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages? Odds are
>>> the following happened:
>>>
>>> You installed without internet access
>>> The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't on the cd
>>>
>>> Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we can narrow
>>> if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's most certainly a bug. If
>>> they aren't we'll have to confer with the release team about whether or not
>>> they should be included. I hope that makes sense! Let us know!
>>>
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
>>>
 After installation, this window pops up.
 "The language support for your selected language seems to be incomplete
 ... etc."
 Installation options were default - language - US English
 Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.



>>>
>>
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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-18 Thread Nicholas Skaggs 

Excellent, thanks Vasudevan.

So open question to the release team -- should these two packages be on 
the iso?

hyphen-en-us
thunderbird-locale-en

(I reckon for all default languages they are missing as well).

I checked the filesystem manifest for the latest raring iso and indeed 
these are missing. And we prompt then upon login to install them if you 
do a non-network english install. My guess is for our supported 
languages we should include these packages. Thoughts?


Nicholas

On 04/18/2013 05:02 PM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:

Hi Nicholas,
This is the info that I have:
Some translations or writing aids available for your chosen languages 
are not installed yet -

Details
hyphen-en-us
thunderbird-locale-en

contents for one of the preseed files from 1304 iso

cat /mnt/preseed/cli.seed
# Only install the standard system and language packs.
taskseltasksel/firstmultiselect
d-ipkgsel/language-pack-patternsstring
# No language support packages.
d-ipkgsel/install-language-supportboolean false

Vasudevan
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil 
mailto:vasudeva...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yes - installed it with out internet access.
After installation, ran apt-get update and still got it.
Will try to see what all language packs got installed.


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> wrote:

Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages?
Odds are the following happened:

You installed without internet access
The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't
on the cd

Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we
can narrow if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's
most certainly a bug. If they aren't we'll have to confer with
the release team about whether or not they should be included.
I hope that makes sense! Let us know!

Nicholas


On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:

After installation, this window pops up.
"The language support for your selected language seems to
be incomplete ... etc."
Installation options were default - language - US English
Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.







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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-18 Thread Vasudevan Kottilil 
Hi Nicholas,
This is the info that I have:
Some translations or writing aids available for your chosen languages are
not installed yet -
Details
hyphen-en-us
thunderbird-locale-en

contents for one of the preseed files from 1304 iso

cat /mnt/preseed/cli.seed
# Only install the standard system and language packs.
taskseltasksel/firstmultiselect
d-ipkgsel/language-pack-patternsstring
# No language support packages.
d-ipkgsel/install-language-supportboolean false

Vasudevan
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil
wrote:

> Yes - installed it with out internet access.
> After installation, ran apt-get update and still got it.
> Will try to see what all language packs got installed.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Skaggs <
> nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages? Odds are
>> the following happened:
>>
>> You installed without internet access
>> The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't on the cd
>>
>> Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we can narrow
>> if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's most certainly a bug. If
>> they aren't we'll have to confer with the release team about whether or not
>> they should be included. I hope that makes sense! Let us know!
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
>>
>>> After installation, this window pops up.
>>> "The language support for your selected language seems to be incomplete
>>> ... etc."
>>> Installation options were default - language - US English
>>> Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-15 Thread Vasudevan Kottilil 
Yes - installed it with out internet access.
After installation, ran apt-get update and still got it.
Will try to see what all language packs got installed.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Nicholas Skaggs <
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:

> Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages? Odds are
> the following happened:
>
> You installed without internet access
> The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't on the cd
>
> Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we can narrow
> if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's most certainly a bug. If
> they aren't we'll have to confer with the release team about whether or not
> they should be included. I hope that makes sense! Let us know!
>
> Nicholas
>
>
> On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:
>
>> After installation, this window pops up.
>> "The language support for your selected language seems to be incomplete
>> ... etc."
>> Installation options were default - language - US English
>> Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-15 Thread Nicholas Skaggs 
Take a look at what it is wanting to install -- what packages? Odds are 
the following happened:


You installed without internet access
The language packs it wants to install for US English aren't on the cd

Now, if you figure out what language packs didn't install, we can narrow 
if they are on the image or not. If they are, it's most certainly a bug. 
If they aren't we'll have to confer with the release team about whether 
or not they should be included. I hope that makes sense! Let us know!


Nicholas

On 04/15/2013 11:20 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:

After installation, this window pops up.
"The language support for your selected language seems to be 
incomplete ... etc."

Installation options were default - language - US English
Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.





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raring iso beta2 - incomplete language support

2013-04-15 Thread Vasudevan Kottilil 
After installation, this window pops up.
"The language support for your selected language seems to be incomplete ...
etc."
Installation options were default - language - US English
Not sure if this is expected behavior or not.
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