Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 07:54, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:14:27PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:16, Steve Langasek > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for raising this valid concern. > > > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > > > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import > > > > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August > 17. Do > > > > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as > bookworm > > > > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of > > > > transitions in Debian? > > > > In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point > out > > > that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to > > > landing > > > the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely > want to > > > do in 23.10, not in 24.04. > > > Ah we are going to try that for 24.04 are we? Somehow I had the feeling > we > > were going to be more cautious. But I think it's probably a good idea to > > get it over with. > > Well, the longer we spend on it, the more time we're going to have to spend > re-analyzing libraries in the archive to identify ABI breaks as things > drift. And my proposal in Debian has been to kick this off when trixie > opens. So I do think it's better for us to move forward. > Fair enough. > We definitely don't want our dpkg-buildflags to differ from Debian's on > this > for any significant amount of time. > Yes that would be pain. > > Do you think the necessary people are convinced on the Debian side to > land > > this early in trixie or is there still more arguing to be done there? > > We still don't have a definitive agreement on what to do with i386, No kidding. > but I > think that will shake out once we have a dpkg-buildflags implementation to > discuss. > Fair enough. Having conversations somewhere other than meandering debian-devel threads is probably the way forward! Cheers, mwh -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:14:27PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:16, Steve Langasek > wrote: > > Thanks for raising this valid concern. > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import > > > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do > > > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm > > > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of > > > transitions in Debian? > > In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point out > > that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to > > landing > > the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely want to > > do in 23.10, not in 24.04. > Ah we are going to try that for 24.04 are we? Somehow I had the feeling we > were going to be more cautious. But I think it's probably a good idea to > get it over with. Well, the longer we spend on it, the more time we're going to have to spend re-analyzing libraries in the archive to identify ABI breaks as things drift. And my proposal in Debian has been to kick this off when trixie opens. So I do think it's better for us to move forward. We definitely don't want our dpkg-buildflags to differ from Debian's on this for any significant amount of time. > Do you think the necessary people are convinced on the Debian side to land > this early in trixie or is there still more arguing to be done there? We still don't have a definitive agreement on what to do with i386, but I think that will shake out once we have a dpkg-buildflags implementation to discuss. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:16, Steve Langasek wrote: > Thanks for raising this valid concern. > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import > > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do > > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm > > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of > > transitions in Debian? > > In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point out > that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to > landing > the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely want to > do in 23.10, not in 24.04. > Ah we are going to try that for 24.04 are we? Somehow I had the feeling we were going to be more cautious. But I think it's probably a good idea to get it over with. Do you think the necessary people are convinced on the Debian side to land this early in trixie or is there still more arguing to be done there? Cheers, mwh > So I think we should keep the schedule as-is. > > -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
Thanks for raising this valid concern. On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of > transitions in Debian? In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point out that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to landing the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely want to do in 23.10, not in 24.04. So I think we should keep the schedule as-is. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
Hey there, I agree with Jeremy there and I would prefer to take on some extra load this cycle and avoid extra disruptions during the LTS cycle. If there are specific concerns about some transitions maybe we can go the other way around and avoid syncing some specific components instead? Cheers, Sébastien Le 25/05/2023 à 02:47, Michael Hudson-Doyle a écrit : Hi release team, Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of transitions in Debian? Cheers, mwh -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Re: Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 8:48 PM Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import Freeze > is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do we want to > shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm releases, to > avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of transitions in Debian? My opinion is that moving Debian Import Freeze all the way to June 10 is too early. It would mean that more transitions and major changes would happen during the 24.04 LTS cycle instead. Thank you, Jeremy Bícha -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze
Hi release team, Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August 17. Do we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as bookworm releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of transitions in Debian? Cheers, mwh -- Ubuntu-release mailing list Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
