Re: Deprecation notice for mail-stack-delivery (dovecot) - planned to be dropped in 18.10
Hi Phillip, Serge and Mark, I appreciate community interest in this - but from what I heard so far you'd be just as good with an out of tree solution not part of the actual (dovecot) packaging right? The current mail-stack-delivery does modify config files for you, so you could drive the same via e.g. a github project just as Mark does with his mail server he mentioned. If it finds a lot of followers it might become a next mail-in-a-box - and if not it is fine as well - a community is meant to live and try out things. If you want you can start with what today's mail-stack-delivery does, but I think this is not required (maybe better from scratch). @Phillip/Serge: I don't know if you'd prefer a github project or similar that just provides a bit of scripting or if you explicitly want to maintain it as a package? I'd think it is not needed, but I'm fine with the latter as well, but in that case I'd still want to take it out of the dovecot package this cycle and you can then push it as a universe community package (or as a snap) separate to that. This would simplify the doveot packaging, but not prevent you from maintaining the same the way you want - so would that be ok for you as well? On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Mark Constable wrote: > On 5/12/18 2:13 AM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > >> I installed by hand, but am very interested in upping the number of >> people using self-hosted email, so interested in helping with that. >> > > FWIW, and please excuse this off-topic message and self-promotion, but > I've been developing a very light weight mail/web/dns server with a > PHP frontend that could be considered BETA quality, ie; mostly usable. > It is probably quite relevant because it is 100% developed and based > on Ubuntu 18.04 and significantly more sophisticated than the current > mail-stack-delivery package -> https://github.com/netserva > > -- > ubuntu-server mailing list > ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server > More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam -- Christian Ehrhardt Software Engineer, Ubuntu Server Canonical Ltd -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Deprecation notice for mail-stack-delivery (dovecot) - planned to be dropped in 18.10
On 5/12/18 2:13 AM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: I installed by hand, but am very interested in upping the number of people using self-hosted email, so interested in helping with that. FWIW, and please excuse this off-topic message and self-promotion, but I've been developing a very light weight mail/web/dns server with a PHP frontend that could be considered BETA quality, ie; mostly usable. It is probably quite relevant because it is 100% developed and based on Ubuntu 18.04 and significantly more sophisticated than the current mail-stack-delivery package -> https://github.com/netserva -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Deprecation notice for mail-stack-delivery (dovecot) - planned to be dropped in 18.10
I installed by hand, but am very interested in upping the number of people using self-hosted email, so interested in helping with that. -serge Quoting Phillip Susi (ps...@ubuntu.com): > Last year I got fed up with gmail randomly deleting one of the > "duplicate" messages I would get via a mailing list as well as being > Cc'd on, so I registered my own domain and set up mail-stack-delivery on > a $5/month vps with Amazon lightsail. I guess I'll need to take a > closer look at what this package actually does and see if I can help fix > any problems with it. > > On 3/20/2018 10:08 AM, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > > Hello, > > since Ubuntu 18.04 has reached feature freeze we started to think about > > 18.10. > > One of the changes ahead is the dropping of the mail-stack-delivery package > > (part of dovecot). > > > > This package was created a long time ago with the intend to simplify > > several steps of a mail server setup, for example to get a safe ssl secured > > default installation. > > It is essentially almost only a postinst to set up some better defaults. > > > > But the bit that I can derive from bug reports and such indicates that it > > is almost unused these days and has become an unused maintenance debt (it > > started to show it's age - no more matching e.g. recommended ciphers). > > > > Furthermore the world has moved on: > > - For encryption ssl is now default in dovecot-core > > - In general the hosting your own mail service has become less attractive > > - If users want to set up a mail server still they often look more for e.g. > > for Mail-in-a-box [1] > > > > For all of these reasons we intend to drop the mail-stack-delivery package > > in 18.10 > > > > If there is a big love/consumption of the package we might have missed > > please speak up. > > In that case we likely want to drop it from dovecot still, but community > > could take over maintenance in a separate package that lives in universe. > > > > [1]: https://mailinabox.email/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Deprecation notice for mail-stack-delivery (dovecot) - planned to be dropped in 18.10
Last year I got fed up with gmail randomly deleting one of the "duplicate" messages I would get via a mailing list as well as being Cc'd on, so I registered my own domain and set up mail-stack-delivery on a $5/month vps with Amazon lightsail. I guess I'll need to take a closer look at what this package actually does and see if I can help fix any problems with it. On 3/20/2018 10:08 AM, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > Hello, > since Ubuntu 18.04 has reached feature freeze we started to think about > 18.10. > One of the changes ahead is the dropping of the mail-stack-delivery package > (part of dovecot). > > This package was created a long time ago with the intend to simplify > several steps of a mail server setup, for example to get a safe ssl secured > default installation. > It is essentially almost only a postinst to set up some better defaults. > > But the bit that I can derive from bug reports and such indicates that it > is almost unused these days and has become an unused maintenance debt (it > started to show it's age - no more matching e.g. recommended ciphers). > > Furthermore the world has moved on: > - For encryption ssl is now default in dovecot-core > - In general the hosting your own mail service has become less attractive > - If users want to set up a mail server still they often look more for e.g. > for Mail-in-a-box [1] > > For all of these reasons we intend to drop the mail-stack-delivery package > in 18.10 > > If there is a big love/consumption of the package we might have missed > please speak up. > In that case we likely want to drop it from dovecot still, but community > could take over maintenance in a separate package that lives in universe. > > [1]: https://mailinabox.email/ > > > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Deprecation notice for mail-stack-delivery (dovecot) - planned to be dropped in 18.10
Hello, since Ubuntu 18.04 has reached feature freeze we started to think about 18.10. One of the changes ahead is the dropping of the mail-stack-delivery package (part of dovecot). This package was created a long time ago with the intend to simplify several steps of a mail server setup, for example to get a safe ssl secured default installation. It is essentially almost only a postinst to set up some better defaults. But the bit that I can derive from bug reports and such indicates that it is almost unused these days and has become an unused maintenance debt (it started to show it's age - no more matching e.g. recommended ciphers). Furthermore the world has moved on: - For encryption ssl is now default in dovecot-core - In general the hosting your own mail service has become less attractive - If users want to set up a mail server still they often look more for e.g. for Mail-in-a-box [1] For all of these reasons we intend to drop the mail-stack-delivery package in 18.10 If there is a big love/consumption of the package we might have missed please speak up. In that case we likely want to drop it from dovecot still, but community could take over maintenance in a separate package that lives in universe. [1]: https://mailinabox.email/ -- Christian Ehrhardt Software Engineer, Ubuntu Server Canonical Ltd -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
