[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
> Workaround: Uninstall package ntpdate. That also uninstalls the "ubuntu-minimal" package, which is yet another bug (at least up until 14.04). I also think ntpdate shouldn't be started at all on ifup. openntpd and (I think) ntpd as well allow for large time adjustments on the first query (-s switch in openntpd), so ntpdate is just not needed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 Title: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/322518/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
Workaround: Uninstall package ntpdate. Why would the Manual setting be ignored? Are ntp servers used to collect statistics on users, installations and reboots, or for tracking portable computers? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 Title: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
Victor: There should be no intrinsic connection between setting the absolute (UTC) time and setting the system time zone. The former certainly doesn't imply the latter, as time zones are implemented as setting an offset from UTC time. If synchronising the system time causes time zone difficulties, then you must have some other bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 Title: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
Colin: Synchronising the system time does not cause time zone difficulties. I use manual time to work around a bug in Evolution/Thunderbird/etc. And the purpose of my previous post was to give an example of why manual time should be preferred for any case other than a complete lack of internet connectivity, because the previous poster suggested that time synchronisation is strictly better than manual time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 Title: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
** Tags added: oem-services -- No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
While I agree that the system should honour the chosen settings (so if you say 'manual time' that is really all you get), I would argue that all systems, desktop and server, should ship with a minimum NTP setup. If the load on the Ubuntu time server is of concern, then you could use the minpoll set to 10 (1024s) or similar for it. See: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/clockopt.html#server Those with greater requirements might want to add more servers to ntp.conf and some (like here in my university) may need to change the time server to a local one due to a slightly strange firewall policy. But I don't see why manual time should be preferred for any case other than a complete lack of internet connectivity! -- No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
I'd argue ntpdate shouldn't be started at all by default. I can see no reason why people would prefer using ntpdate rather than ntpd. Desktops should ship without NTP enabled (i.e. ntp package not installed, but installable via time-admin), and server should ship with it installed. Current situation conflicts with time-admin's options, and is not really optimal for servers either (time should be updated smoothly via ntpd). ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Importance: Wishlist = Low -- No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
There is a problem that administration panel settings in Time and Date is not respected, because there are affecting ntp configuration, but ntpdate configuration can not be set in any way. It is the bug in user interface and not in ntp or ntpdate. -- No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 322518] Re: No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up
You can edit /etc/default/ntpdate and change NTPOPTIONS line to NTPOPTIONS=-q which in effect tells ntpdate to Query only - don't set the clock (quoting manpage). -- No obvious way to prevent ntpdate to be run when interface are brought up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322518 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
