Re: Putting the cart before the horse. (was: Final Notes on the Ubuntu Studio Website)
Hi Takashi, On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Takashi Sakamoto o-taka...@sakamocchi.jp wrote: Hi Scott, In this kind of work, the screenshot is more powerful to give our opinion than some comments. Would you please look at the screenshot I attached? Ive let your message through this time, but in future, please link to screenshots or pictures, not attach them. For other guidelines for mailing lists, please see: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists Jussi. 0.scott_grid_analyze.png I think this mocup has much information in a first browser screen and a bit difficult to get the informations to need. Then I re-align some components which you made and put some shots from current ubuntustudio.com. https://wiki.ubuntulinux.jp/Mocchi?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=1.takashi_modified.png I change the logo to Cory K.'s Ideas because I want to put the COF circle's color as key color. This is the Grid-Analyzxe. https://wiki.ubuntulinux.jp/Mocchi?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=2.takashi_grid_analyze.png I put some basic and most needed information in the top. And I put much text information to bottom. This layout will be good for several kind of users, both newcomer and elder. What I mean is not pushing my design but I prefer your mocup to current ubuntustudio.com design. It's simple and easy to wathch. But there is not so many information... If you need my help and work, I have some time to help you till this weekend. I can uunderstand and use the W3C's specification for (X)HTML, CSS 2.0, JavaScript(ECMA Script), PHP 4 and 5. I'm willing to help you with drupal if we share the basic source like MySQL data or theme templates and so on. It'S a pretty sad that I usually use the other engines. Cheers! Takashi Sakamoto o-taka...@sakamocchi.jp (2010年10月04日 07:07), Scott Lavender wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Benjamin Turner passionsplaydes...@gmail.com mailto:passionsplaydes...@gmail.com wrote: I would second not throwing out any concepts right off the bat. I think though that perhaps we should redirect where this thread is going. Before we get down to eliminating or zeroing in on any 'theme' we should really take a hard look as to how we want this website to function for the Ubuntu Studio community. I'd like to try and summarize some things: The current site at ubuntustudio.org http://ubuntustudio.org/ is a brochure site - it is very simple, and establishes a sort of creative vibe- all the while smacking you in the face with DOWNLOAD -- 1 2 3! This is exactly what we (traditionally) want the visitor to do - try THIS distro. I took some time to whip up sitemap for the existing site, and also one for the eventual 'revamped' one, using the elements that we have going on the wiki. In addition, I worked a wireframe over a screenshot of the original site. What becomes apparent to me while looking over these site maps is that people are brainstorming for a much more dynamic (and complicated) website, one that begins to blur the lines between the wiki, the forums, and the website, perhaps taking on aspects of a social networking site (I'm thinking specifically about the submissions, polls, and other things that would require someone to create a profile). But do we have the energy/time/skill? I think that many of these things sound cool. I would ask ourselves if we (and future users/contributors) will have the energy to create and maintain one MORE online persona. Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps this 'social connection' role could be filled by other existing sites? I'm thinking about the deviantART and Flikr user groups for inkscape. Are there other sites out there that could facilitate the creation of Music Creation Communities? To put it another way, do we have people here wanting to code and maintain that sort of community in relation to the Ubuntu Studio Website? Where are we going? In the end I feel we should more clearly describe where Ubuntu Studio is moving, and how we envision using it, and by extension, how we will use the website. For me I first came to Ubuntu Studio because it was built on the back of Ubuntu's Gnome install, but with an eye to a more specialized and 'professional' grade of computer user. This being said, there are still a few other applications I install that are not included in the base installation (Who doesn't?) I can see the Ubuntu Studio project becoming a nexus of creative energy. Taking the best things out there, and making them work well together, all the while documenting the processes, and making it easy for new users (both to Linux, AND to art creation) to create high quality digital art creations. Let me know if this resonates with anyone. Where do others see our
Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)
Hi, 2010/10/4 ailo ailo...@gmail.com: I'm on Ubuntu Maverick 64 bit, nvidia 7025 integrated graphics. Which version of nvidia drivers you would want use? Thanks. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:27:02AM EST, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: Hi, If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply to these questions: Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or -realtime? Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least test and feedback)? Of course I'd prefer realtime/rt, however the truth of the matter is that keeping up with patches, and keeping the kernel versions in sync for any one Ubuntu release is very difficult. For this reason, I'd favour the lowlatency kernel, as it would be easier to maintain, given its only configuration changes, and would be easier to get into Ubuntu, and maintain it, keeping in sync with the Ubuntu release kernel version. How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu relation, Studio relation and so on)? I'm happy to help maintain the low latency kernel, i.e using the Ubuntu release kernel git tree as a base, and making our own changes on top, and rebasing on the Ubuntu kernel for fixes. Can help get it into universe, and maintain it there. Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS? With the low latency kernel, I would be happy to support it for every Ubuntu release where it is in the archive. Luke -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio Logo Designs
hi all, i am honki from taiwan. i also try to design logo of ubuntu studio. if you have any idea, can tell me. logo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/5053852596/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/5053852596/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4808479623/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4808479623/about ubuntu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157623970936653/ thx honki 2010/10/1 Brian David beej...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Marc R.J. Brevoort m...@dnd.utwente.nlwrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Cory K. wrote: I think the grey/blue contrast in the first images doesn't work very well- the second one being a bit better due to the black outline. I like the N and T flowing into each other- I'd keep them the same colour to enhance the effect. I like the big logo in the third picture- in the versions with the smaller logo, the logo seems a bit out of place due to the way it's aligned with the text. Overall I think Brian's version looks the most pro (We all love gradients and rounded corners! Fortunately, they're not too over-the-top). I don't get why two words in the slogan need a different shade but that's probaby just me going whoosh!. It's a bit loud image though- ...And more! Download NOW (or else)! I'll crawl back into my shell now... Best, Marc The loudness was, to an extent, a bit of a joke. Since I was throwing in the text mostly as a placeholder, I couldn't help but get a little sarcastic (thus the . . .and more!). :) Looking at it now, I agree with your assessment of the highlighted words. I'll go back and make those uniform. Also, I think your remark about the gradients and rounded-corners hints a good point: it is the type of thing that gets done a lot. I'll see what other variations I can come up with that are based on the same basic idea, but maybe a little less Web-2.0-ish. It's always good to have options! -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)
David, 2010/10/5 David Henningsson david.hennings...@canonical.com: [...] great that you want to manage these kernels! I have always managed -rt kernels in Ubuntu since Feisty Until Maverick where I have gave up for personal reasons. I'm mostly curious about -lowlatency, but unfortunately I haven't got around to test it. I think -preempt is a server kernel? Could you also say that -lowlatency is the desktop version of -preempt? I don't know much about -preempt. A low latency kernel in server context make little sense to me at least. Is there a difference between -rt and -realtime, except that your -realtime seems more updated than -rt? Do you think we should replace the official linux-rt, with your linux-realtime? Few minutes ago I replied to Laurent about that. closely until now, so I'd also like to ask you - do you feel you have the support you need from the kernel-team's side for maintaining these kernels? Really I don't understand what you mean with feel. In any case I avoid to reply on this answer because I don't want start a flame. [...] I think we need to have it for every release, to get the best possible testing and quality of these kernels. If that's possible? The time of one-man-kernel-made is finished. So if people want the real time kernel they should help. Please reply only if you want help. Just to clarify, did you mean if you need help (you help me) or if you want to help (I help you) ? I don't need help unless you want offer me a serious job. Real time kernel need help. All -rt kernels have always worked well on my old laptop also the infamous Intrepid and Jaunty releases. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Fwd: DKMS and Wiki from real time kernels
-- Forwarded message -- From: Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.com Date: 2010/10/5 Subject: DKMS and Wiki from real time kernels To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion ubuntu-studio-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Hi, I really need of someone could take care of a little wiki page about all real time kernels (differences, reasons, TODO, list of volunteers, packing status and so on). In this way new comers could find reply to their questions. Moreover a bit of interest exist for video closed drivers. Is there a volunteer to handle DKMS packages? I could provide all relevant code which fix compatibility with real time kernels but I don't enough time to handle uploading that code (that is sending patch to nvidia or fglrx Ubuntu maintainer or upload a fix package to PPA). In this way we could support closed video drivers and in general all DKMS base drivers. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)
On 10/05/2010 09:16 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: Hi, 2010/10/4 ailoailo...@gmail.com: I'm on Ubuntu Maverick 64 bit, nvidia 7025 integrated graphics. Which version of nvidia drivers you would want use? Thanks. Ciao, Alessio You mean nouveau or nvidia-current? I prefer nvidia-current. I suppose there are few occasions when both realtime and 3d graphics are needed at the same. Perhaps when doing live-music and graphics from the same machine? My experience with karmic (puredyne) and -rt was very positive when it comes to stability and performance. As long as it is safe, I prefer nvidia-current support. I have one bad experience from -rt, when two of my hard disks died at the same time. This was last year, with Centos and planet ccrma installed. Old hardware, and the computer did not shutdown properly. A few days later, when I started the computer, the hard drives were not recognized by the bios. There were some problems with irq and acpi. Irq problems, because of some pci cards, I think. Not being very smart on the subject I can only speculate what the cause was. Maybe lightning? I can do testing on amd64 and core duo, both with nvidia graphic cards as well as P3 or P4, but without 3d graphic drivers. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)
On 2010-10-05 10:37, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: David, 2010/10/5 David Henningssondavid.hennings...@canonical.com: [...] great that you want to manage these kernels! I have always managed -rt kernels in Ubuntu since Feisty Until Maverick where I have gave up for personal reasons. Okay, then a big thanks for your contributions so far! I'm mostly curious about -lowlatency, but unfortunately I haven't got around to test it. I think -preempt is a server kernel? Could you also say that -lowlatency is the desktop version of -preempt? I don't know much about -preempt. A low latency kernel in server context make little sense to me at least. To give you that context - from what I've heard, Red Hat has customers in the stock business where milliseconds could be the difference between being the one being able to buy the stock being up for sale, or losing the transaction. That's why the PREEMPT_RT patches were originally created. I know nothing about whether Canonical has customers in that sector or not. Is there a difference between -rt and -realtime, except that your -realtime seems more updated than -rt? Do you think we should replace the official linux-rt, with your linux-realtime? Few minutes ago I replied to Laurent about that. closely until now, so I'd also like to ask you - do you feel you have the support you need from the kernel-team's side for maintaining these kernels? Really I don't understand what you mean with feel. In any case I avoid to reply on this answer because I don't want start a flame. Ok. [...] I think we need to have it for every release, to get the best possible testing and quality of these kernels. If that's possible? The time of one-man-kernel-made is finished. So if people want the real time kernel they should help. Okay, I understand, and I'm glad that Luke replied that he wanted to help out, at least with the lowlatency version. I think we need people's opinion on whether lowlatency is good enough, or if we really need -rt and/or -realtime. (Which requires more maintainer work.) Please reply only if you want help. Just to clarify, did you mean if you need help (you help me) or if you want to help (I help you) ? I don't need help unless you want offer me a serious job. Real time kernel need help. Thanks for the clarification. -- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. http://launchpad.net/~diwic -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Putting the cart before the horse. (was: Final Notes on the Ubuntu Studio Website)
In response to Scott's original mockup: http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-3.png Good work Scott! So, starting with what works: 1) I like that things have been moved up the page. The old site was pretty, but simple, with specific information at least a scroll's length down the page. 2) Navigation wise, I would say that someone that lands here has the potential of getting their bearings quickly. The global nav is easily accessible in the upper right, along with lower level categories on the left being easily skimmed by the eye without having to 'move' the page. 3) On the old site the blog entries were pretty small, closer to tweets -- Look a new release! With this mockup, the space is tuned more to those types of posts. Someone can easily take in the most recent information, again without 'moving the page.' As for what it can do better: 1) I don't really like the social media icons. They seem to clutter up that valuable 'upper right' real estate. I would question how much use they will get. However, if we do decide that they belong, then I think the icons themselves need to be desaturated. These current colors are good for THEIR respective brands, but totally destroy our color scheme, and our brand. Perhaps gray/black social media icons, that regain their color with a mouse hover? 2) I would tend to agree with others that the mock-up feels busy. I think that the majority of this has to do with the font settings, and to a lesser extent, certain page elements not lining up. (I'll post something later showing what I mean) I would submit that much 'breathing room' could be created by using a tighter editorial writing style coupled with a larger line height, and greater margins/padding. A quick example - within the 'what is ubuntu' section: Watch the YouTube video for a quick explanation of what Ubuntu Studio offers or look at the feature walkthrough for a more in depth exploration of the features available in Ubuntu Studio. This feels wordy, and could possibly be removed or rewritten to something more succinct: Explore what Ubuntu Studio can do for you ** A link to the walk-though would be included. As for the youtube video, having that video right there with the 'play' button ready to go, is more than enough prompting for most people. Summary : All in all I think this shows some merit, with more work needed on the actual wording, along with spacing the text correctly, and better alignment of the various page elements. I'll throw in a little design time this weekend, once I get a hold on Scott's svg. Good work guys! -- Benjamin -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Audio/Video/Graphical Package Selection for Natty Narwhal
Hello all, Recently we have been begun reevaluating the audio, video, and graphical package selection for Ubuntu Studio. I think many would agree that some the current packages seems disquietingly unfocused, unrelated or disparate, not supporting any particular process or task. For Natty Narwhal we would like develop a much leaner, streamlined, focused, and useful audio, video, and graphical package selection. And you can help develop it! This is your chance to directly effect the package selection for Ubuntu Studio. If you wish to discuss non-audio, video, or graphical packages, say Pulse Audio or which PDF viewer is included, then please start another thread. The focus of this email is for refining the audio, video, and graphical package selection set only. Our chosen methodology to effect this is to identify tasks and develop workflows to accomplish the task. Tasks are generalized objectives and the workflow will then identify which applications are required. Please note that multiple, alternative workflows could be defined to accomplish the same task and that multiple applications might be required for a particular workflow. A very direct and simple taks might be to Create a Poster/Flier. The associated workflow would be to start Inkscape, add graphics from the clip library, and text as desired. The application required would simply be Inkscape. While a more complicated, involved task might be Recording Audio with Plugin Effects. The workflow would be to start jack and Ardour, connect the audio input to the track in Ardour, add the LV2 plugin into the track, and record the audio with the effect. The applications required would be qjackctl, jackd, ardour, and various LADSPA/LV2 plugins. You are highly encouraged to participate by evaluating what is done, correcting any definitive errors, adding alternate workflows, and adding additional tasks and workflows. You can find existing tasks and workflows at the following wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows I would ask that a few conditions be observed: * do not delete others work (this is highly important) * feel free to correct obvious errors, but respect differing viewpoints * provide alternate workflow if you have a different process * do not include partial or incomplete workflows Partial or incomplete workflows will most likely not be considered. We should be striving to provide complete functionality. The time frame to complete the initial selection will be before the end of October. This hopefully will provide time to update the seeds and meta-packages so we can begin testing Natty with the new package selections at the beginning of the release cycle. I am excited about this prospect and I hope you participate to help make Ubuntu Studio better. ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Putting the cart before the horse. (was: Final Notes on the Ubuntu Studio Website)
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Benjamin Turner passionsplaydes...@gmail.com wrote: In response to Scott's original mockup: http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-3.png Good work Scott! So, starting with what works: 1) I like that things have been moved up the page. The old site was pretty, but simple, with specific information at least a scroll's length down the page. 2) Navigation wise, I would say that someone that lands here has the potential of getting their bearings quickly. The global nav is easily accessible in the upper right, along with lower level categories on the left being easily skimmed by the eye without having to 'move' the page. 3) On the old site the blog entries were pretty small, closer to tweets -- Look a new release! With this mockup, the space is tuned more to those types of posts. Someone can easily take in the most recent information, again without 'moving the page.' As for what it can do better: 1) I don't really like the social media icons. They seem to clutter up that valuable 'upper right' real estate. I would question how much use they will get. However, if we do decide that they belong, then I think the icons themselves need to be desaturated. These current colors are good for THEIR respective brands, but totally destroy our color scheme, and our brand. Perhaps gray/black social media icons, that regain their color with a mouse hover? 2) I would tend to agree with others that the mock-up feels busy. I think that the majority of this has to do with the font settings, and to a lesser extent, certain page elements not lining up. (I'll post something later showing what I mean) I would submit that much 'breathing room' could be created by using a tighter editorial writing style coupled with a larger line height, and greater margins/padding. A quick example - within the 'what is ubuntu' section: Watch the YouTube video for a quick explanation of what Ubuntu Studio offers or look at the feature walkthrough for a more in depth exploration of the features available in Ubuntu Studio. This feels wordy, and could possibly be removed or rewritten to something more succinct: Explore what Ubuntu Studio can do for you ** A link to the walk-though would be included. As for the youtube video, having that video right there with the 'play' button ready to go, is more than enough prompting for most people. Summary : All in all I think this shows some merit, with more work needed on the actual wording, along with spacing the text correctly, and better alignment of the various page elements. I'll throw in a little design time this weekend, once I get a hold on Scott's svg. Good work guys! -- Benjamin -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel First I would like to point out that my mock-up is just a suggestion. This isn't necessarily the direction we have to go. If someone has something they want to share then please do so. Or if someone has something they have been working on, then please post a screen shot as well. Secondly I would like to agree with many of the assessments. My inspiration was originally very simple, almost elegant, and my mock-up grew way to busy. As to the font size or syntax, I fear that I lack the experience as a website designer to make something elegant. My feelings toward what audience the website should be focused is probably a person unfamiliar with Ubuntu Studio. Someone who has heard about it perhaps but doesn't really understand it yet, or did a Google search for free audio distribution. I expect some experienced people will attend the site as well, but probably will already know where to find answers or tutorials or help directly without the website and therefore need it less. So I feel the audience are to be musicians, new to Ubuntu Studio who wish to learn about it so they can use it, and the website's voice would be learn. Lastly, here is my .svg file: http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-3.svg ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
