Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
On Tue, October 16, 2012 9:26 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Recommend to stay with the LTS or to do a new install. A normal release is able to aim at getting upgraded to the next release, while a LTS has got another priority. Ubuntu is halfway between a rolling release and something outdated as Debian is. That upgrading from a LTS to the hasty standard releases could cause issues doesn't surprise me. Actually, for this release I don't care too much. I am thinking about the next LTS and how I can support an upgrade at that time. I am thinking it is best to figure a fix now because we remember what the issue is. It seems no matter what we recommend, we still have people do something else. We still get asked for help for people upgrading gnome to xfce and the issues that causes. It is for that reason I would like LTS to LTS upgrade to work (boot and run). Keeping the old hard drive/ware intact and installing on a new hard drive seems the safest way to go. That way any old projects can be completed on the system they were started on if things go wrong. (not suggesting not to have backups as well either) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 08:49:39PM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: What do we want to do with this? (bug #1066401 for those who care) The upgrade does what it should in effect, but the end result is not the same as a fresh install. The big difference is that the photography meta is only half there and the publishing meta is not there at all. We can SRU these two metas into Desktop till after next LTS and that would fix that. It would also install more software into the user machine they may not need/want. I'm a little on the fence on this matter myself. Basically, I'd like upgrading to add as little as possible, to secure as problem-free procedure as possible. While this would mean the user might be unaware of certain additions to the new release, I'm guessing they might still prefer the functionality of their system. Besides, aren't Release Notes for informing of changes and new features in a release? :) We can accept the install as is (so long as the machine runs right with what SW it does have) and include an install note that allows the user to install those metas if they choose. We could go back to only recommending a fresh install. I'm supposing that's the recommendation that's always been there. -- Jaska (astraljava on freenode.net) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
On Tue, October 16, 2012 11:24 pm, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 08:49:39PM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: What do we want to do with this? (bug #1066401 for those who care) The upgrade does what it should in effect, but the end result is not the same as a fresh install. The big difference is that the photography meta is only half there and the publishing meta is not there at all. We can SRU these two metas into Desktop till after next LTS and that would fix that. It would also install more software into the user machine they may not need/want. I'm a little on the fence on this matter myself. Basically, I'd like upgrading to add as little as possible, to secure as problem-free procedure as possible. While this would mean the user might be unaware of certain additions to the new release, I'm guessing they might still prefer the functionality of their system. Besides, aren't Release Notes for informing of changes and new features in a release? :) OK, I have tested and oked the 32bit for upgrade, can someone do the 64bit? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
Can't..Need to revise my tests.. Regards, smartboyhw 2012/10/17 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net On Tue, October 16, 2012 11:24 pm, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 08:49:39PM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: What do we want to do with this? (bug #1066401 for those who care) The upgrade does what it should in effect, but the end result is not the same as a fresh install. The big difference is that the photography meta is only half there and the publishing meta is not there at all. We can SRU these two metas into Desktop till after next LTS and that would fix that. It would also install more software into the user machine they may not need/want. I'm a little on the fence on this matter myself. Basically, I'd like upgrading to add as little as possible, to secure as problem-free procedure as possible. While this would mean the user might be unaware of certain additions to the new release, I'm guessing they might still prefer the functionality of their system. Besides, aren't Release Notes for informing of changes and new features in a release? :) OK, I have tested and oked the 32bit for upgrade, can someone do the 64bit? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 06:07 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: OK, I have tested and oked the 32bit for upgrade, can someone do the 64bit? I only can offer to install Ubuntu Studio Precise to VBox and then upgrade to Quantal. I won't upgrade my real Precise install. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: upgrades 12.04 - 12.10
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 15:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 06:07 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: OK, I have tested and oked the 32bit for upgrade, can someone do the 64bit? I only can offer to install Ubuntu Studio Precise to VBox and then upgrade to Quantal. I won't upgrade my real Precise install. Is this useful? Is this wanted? -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
I could test this on a VM if you'd like. Could probably get to it by tomorrow. Tim H. On 10/17/2012 08:38 PM, Len Ovens wrote: No one seems to have tested the amd64 ISO. I don't have such a machine. We need a live session, install, post install and upgrade test. I have done all the 32 bit tests. No test, no release I think. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 17:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: No one seems to have tested the amd64 ISO. I don't have such a machine. We need a live session, install, post install and upgrade test. I have done all the 32 bit tests. No test, no release I think. I installed it from the amd64 ISO. I chose Install Ubuntu Studio, I didn't run the live version. I'm willing to upgrade from Precise to Quantal by VBox, using the new Quantal RC install, but at the moment Quantal RC is the most buggy OS I ever used. There seem to be serious issues regarding to GNOME 3.6 stuff :(. Regards, Ralf if you'd like to help Ralph, the link test page is here... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds these are the tests that need to be done... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26218/testcases needs to be done with that specific iso image.. thanks -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 05:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 17:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: No one seems to have tested the amd64 ISO. I don't have such a machine. We need a live session, install, post install and upgrade test. I have done all the 32 bit tests. No test, no release I think. I installed it from the amd64 ISO. I chose Install Ubuntu Studio, I didn't run the live version. I'm willing to upgrade from Precise to Quantal by VBox, using the new Quantal RC install, but at the moment Quantal RC is the most buggy OS I ever used. There seem to be serious issues regarding to GNOME 3.6 stuff :(. However, my reports are in the archive. 24 hours testing without sleep, resp. not testing, but killall -9 all the time. I don't know if it's possible to change fonts and backgrounds without getting issues. I didn't test it that much. Often it's needed to log out and in again, to get rid of artifacts. Drives will keep on the desktop, the Google Earth Icon in the menu often becomes very large, Windows don't show text ... I'm able to receive with Evolution, but I can't edit or send mails. White backgrounds aren't white, but grey ... spinymouse@qrc:~$ evolution (evolution:3032): e-web-view.c-WARNING **: Disabling webkit plugin: VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 3.4.3) (evolution:3032): e-web-view.c-WARNING **: Disabling webkit plugin: Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem) (evolution:3032): e-web-view.c-WARNING **: Disabling webkit plugin: DivX® Web Player (evolution:3032): e-web-view.c-WARNING **: Disabling webkit plugin: QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6 ^C At the moment I need a rest. To be continued ... -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
Still the old issue known from Precise, with each shutdown and restart a .goutputstream-* file is written. [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-* -rw--- 1 spinymouse 1000 0 Oct 18 06:03 /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-HJ04LW -rw--- 1 spinymouse 1000 0 Oct 18 05:18 /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-MKBBMW -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2012-October/004519.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2012-October/004524.html FWIW Quantal's Memtest is borked, not my RAM. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Testing
Ralph, if you are doing test, login and report at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26218/testcases these are the tests that allow us to release the operating system... thanks! i just got started testing On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: Still the old issue known from Precise, with each shutdown and restart a .goutputstream-* file is written. [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-* -rw--- 1 spinymouse 1000 0 Oct 18 06:03 /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-HJ04LW -rw--- 1 spinymouse 1000 0 Oct 18 05:18 /run/media/spinymouse/qrc/home/spinymouse/.goutputstream-MKBBMW -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
