Re: Ubuntu Studio Artwork

[Len Ovens]

On Thu, March 14, 2013 2:39 am, C. F. Howlett wrote:

> Oh, and has Desktop Publishing really been abandoned as an Ubuntu Studio
> component?  No Scribus, no font manager ... just askin'.

Say what? I am writing from the 13.04 beta right now. I have just opened
scribus 1.4.1 (I think... the graphic still says 1.4.0, but it shows 1.4.1
in the title :) ), I can open FontForge, a font editor and Oh, I found an
app called Font Manager too. I would like to say this is a complete
publishing setup... and hope some of the graphics and photography apps
help a lot... but until people start using it to publish things and give
us feed back... we won't know.

Yes we want publishing.

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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:58:48 +0100,  wrote:

I have no  commercial accounts of that sort, and I avoid doing business  
with a
lot af ad-supported services because of security and privacy issues. I  
won't

even connect to Google except via Tor or have a facebook account.



Well, you are most welcome to send me the mail directly, and I can then  
upload it to a wiki page.


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Wallpaper submissions 13.04

[Kaj Ailomaa]

I put together the wallpaper submissions so far on this wiki page  
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/Wallpaper


There's no community vote yet, just so everyone is aware of that, and so  
that no one will get disappointed.


We could include all of them, since they are so few, and it wouldn't cost  
too much space. Though, I do think it's important for the images to hold a  
certain quality, which is somehing that needs to be discussed and argued  
about.


For images that don't make it onto the ISO, we could showcase on our  
website and let users download if they wish. I could arrange that all the  
wallpapers that have licenses will end up there soonish.


I didn't find any licenses for these:
http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/wallpapers.php
http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Studio-Wallpaper-173220729

Maybe I'm just blind, but that would be the first most important thing in  
order to be able to have these on the ISO.


So, there you have it.

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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[lukefromdc]

I have no  commercial accounts of that sort, and I avoid doing business with a 
lot af ad-supported services because of security and privacy issues. I won't 
even connect to Google except via Tor or have a facebook account.


On 03/14/2013 at 7:31 PM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:21:45 +0100,  
>wrote:
>
>> Attached themes are in pending message needing approval due to 
>the 3MB  
>> or so
>> of attachments, yes you are welcome to use them, modify them, 
>and revert
>> any unwanted changes any way you see fit. All open source 
>distros are  
>> welcome
>> to reuse my contributions.
>>
>
>I believe Scott is the admin of this mail list, so until he reads 
>this, or  
>perhaps you could use some service to create a public download 
>link?
>
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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:21:45 +0100,  wrote:

Attached themes are in pending message needing approval due to the 3MB  
or so

of attachments, yes you are welcome to use them, modify them, and revert
any unwanted changes any way you see fit. All open source distros are  
welcome

to reuse my contributions.



I believe Scott is the admin of this mail list, so until he reads this, or  
perhaps you could use some service to create a public download link?


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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[lukefromdc]

Attached themes are in pending message needing approval due to the 3MB or so
of attachments, yes you are welcome to use them, modify them, and revert
any unwanted changes any way you see fit. All open source distros are welcome
to reuse my contributions.

On 03/14/2013 at 11:09 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:20:30 +0100,  
>wrote:
>
>> I still think the theme used back in 2008 was gorgeous, and it 
>mostly  
>> worked with
>> XFCE at that time.  Still using a rough port of it (to handle 
>GTK3  
>> applications)
>> myself. As far as am  concerned, whoever did the orignal 
>UbuntuStudio  
>> artwork
>> in 2007-2008 did an incredible job.
>>
>
>I just had the idea that if we ported the theme to XFCE4, we could 
>rebrand  
>it to Ubuntu Studio classic, or something. Even if we wouldn't use 
>it as  
>default, we could include it.
>Would you be interested in sharing what you've done on it so far?
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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:20:30 +0100,  wrote:

I still think the theme used back in 2008 was gorgeous, and it mostly  
worked with
XFCE at that time.  Still using a rough port of it (to handle GTK3  
applications)
myself. As far as am  concerned, whoever did the orignal UbuntuStudio  
artwork

in 2007-2008 did an incredible job.



I just had the idea that if we ported the theme to XFCE4, we could rebrand  
it to Ubuntu Studio classic, or something. Even if we wouldn't use it as  
default, we could include it.

Would you be interested in sharing what you've done on it so far?

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Re: Ubuntu Studio Artwork

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:52:42 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa   
wrote:


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:39:27 +0100, C. F. Howlett  
 wrote:



A few random thoughts:

It seems to me that a new "official" theme should be introduced with  
each
LTS release.  Where/how this theme is developed is not so important as  
is a

consistent look, feel and functionality with all UbuntuStudio parts.
Perhaps alternate introducing dark and light themes for each release?



I think this is something that many people would like, yes.


Wallpapers: I'm surprised and disappointed that more community
contributions haven't been adopted ... or perhaps I missed the  
invitation

to participate?  At any rate, perhaps a contest?



If we had started this earlier, I think we might have gotten more  
submissions. Sorry for being so late. We were busy with other things.


Can/would/should the XFCE team or community be willing to contribute to  
US

artwork in some fashion?

Finally if the goal is to generate community involvement, introductory
tutorials on DIY xfce themes and the various US tools graphic tools  
would

seem a welcome addition to the official US "Welcome New User!"
introduction.


Currently we don't have anyone competent in XFCE theming on the team,  
which would be needed as a starting point. Writing docs is something many  
people would like to see happening, but very few actually are prepared to  
do the work. This makes me think the chance for docs appearning on XFCE  
theming on a Ubuntu Studio wiki/web site is pretty slim. But, we could put  
together links for existing external documentation. (this goes for all our  
workflows, and anyone is free to join our effort in making our docs  
richer).



Oh, and has Desktop Publishing really been abandoned as an Ubuntu Studio
component?  No Scribus, no font manager ... just askin'.
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I guess I answered this already, but, nope. It hasn't been abandoned.

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Re: Ubuntu Studio Artwork

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:39:27 +0100, C. F. Howlett   
wrote:



A few random thoughts:

It seems to me that a new "official" theme should be introduced with each
LTS release.  Where/how this theme is developed is not so important as  
is a

consistent look, feel and functionality with all UbuntuStudio parts.
Perhaps alternate introducing dark and light themes for each release?

Wallpapers: I'm surprised and disappointed that more community
contributions haven't been adopted ... or perhaps I missed the invitation
to participate?  At any rate, perhaps a contest?

Can/would/should the XFCE team or community be willing to contribute to  
US

artwork in some fashion?

Finally if the goal is to generate community involvement, introductory
tutorials on DIY xfce themes and the various US tools graphic tools would
seem a welcome addition to the official US "Welcome New User!"
introduction.
Oh, and has Desktop Publishing really been abandoned as an Ubuntu Studio
component?  No Scribus, no font manager ... just askin'.
--



First of all, no decisions have been made towards any direction. I've  
started a discussion on the -devel mail list about how to deal with art in  
the future, and anyone is welcome to contribute with thoughts on that.


There were plans on enabling the community to contribute with art during  
this cycle, but as all the active members of the team were busy with other  
things, frankly, nobody thought of this until quite late.
Now, all we want to do is to have a change in default wallpaper, just so  
something is updated. We've had the same wallpaper now for two cycles, and  
it's time to change it.


There's no agreement that the theme should stay the same between LTSs, but  
that is of course an idea to put down. The discussion I started is about  
how we deal with art in the future, not now, for raring.
As for the wallpaper, we should come to a conclusion before user interface  
freeze in less than a week from now.


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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:31:21 +0100, ttoine  wrote:

Shubban, that is why I told to use the defaut Xubuntu theme or to choose  
a

theme on Xfce. However, we already have icons we can use.


Antoine THOMAS
Tél: 0663137906







So what exactly is needed here? A unified Ubuntu Studio GTK, window
manager and icon theme? If so it would be nearly impossible to make it  
all
by the UI freeze (which is just a week away) wouldn't it? Considering  
the
time required to arrange for an artist team, then laying out the plans  
and

coordinating everything, testing for bugs...




No one is suggesting any other change for raring then the change of  
wallpaper. But we might as well discuss how to go about this in the  
future, and also how we decide on the wallpaper this week.


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Ubuntu Studio Artwork

[C. F. Howlett]

A few random thoughts:

It seems to me that a new "official" theme should be introduced with each
LTS release.  Where/how this theme is developed is not so important as is a
consistent look, feel and functionality with all UbuntuStudio parts.
Perhaps alternate introducing dark and light themes for each release?

Wallpapers: I'm surprised and disappointed that more community
contributions haven't been adopted ... or perhaps I missed the invitation
to participate?  At any rate, perhaps a contest?

Can/would/should the XFCE team or community be willing to contribute to US
artwork in some fashion?

Finally if the goal is to generate community involvement, introductory
tutorials on DIY xfce themes and the various US tools graphic tools would
seem a welcome addition to the official US "Welcome New User!"
introduction.
Oh, and has Desktop Publishing really been abandoned as an Ubuntu Studio
component?  No Scribus, no font manager ... just askin'.
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:40:01 +0100
From: "Kaj Ailomaa" 
To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio
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= Creating Art for Ubuntu Studio =

Lately, we haven't been very active on creating art for Ubuntu Studio. Not
sure exactly how this has been managed back in the day when Ubuntu Studio
had its own gtk2 theme and so forth.
There are three ways I see how we can go about it in the future, and this
depends on what we want to achieve with the artwork.

Out of these three suggestions, I'd personally like to go with having a
art team work for us, but in order to make that happen, we need to find
some artists who are willing to work with us on this.

== 1. Art Team Develops the Artwork ==

With this solution, we have artists developing the artwork during the
development cycle, or over several cycles.  Using this method, it would be
logical to strive for a unified theme, where all of the components - XFCE
theme, icon theme, wallpaper, and the look on our website and social sites
are all coherent, at least to some degree. It would mean there is some
kind of a schedule, with planned goals. It would also mean that we need to
get artists to join our team.

== 2. Submissions selected by Ubuntu Studio devs ==

We set dates, call for submissions, and then the team decides what goes
onto the ISO. It would be hard to have a unified theme experience this
way, but the team is still able to select items that they think go well
together, and what works with Ubuntu Studio, generally.

== 3. Community decides ==

We set dates, call for submissions, and have polls. The Ubuntu Studio team
could either let the users decide completely, or at a minimum decide what
submissions will be up for a vote.


= Choosing wallpaper for this cycle =

As for the current problem on selecting the wallpaper - we haven't really
discussed how to go about it. And we need to do that pretty fast. User
interface freeze is March 21st
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule.

The situation right now is that we have one of my wallpapers as default on
the ISO (just got it in yesterday)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme, but it's not a
final decision in any way.

We have gotten a few suggestions so far. It's not much, but enough to put
together some kind of vote. So, should we let our users decide (if we do
that, I'd rather we do it on social channels and mail lists alike, and use
some kind of poll service), or do we let the devs decide (which would be
faster)?

I would like to include the best of what has been suggested so far in any
case, no matter which one is chosen as default.
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Re: Choosing Art for Ubuntu Studio

[ttoine]

Shubban, that is why I told to use the defaut Xubuntu theme or to choose a
theme on Xfce. However, we already have icons we can use.


Antoine THOMAS
Tél: 0663137906


2013/3/14 Shubham Mishra 

> On 03/13/2013 11:10 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> = Creating Art for Ubuntu Studio =
>>
>> Lately, we haven't been very active on creating art for Ubuntu Studio.
>> Not sure exactly how this has been managed back in the day when Ubuntu
>> Studio had its own gtk2 theme and so forth.
>> There are three ways I see how we can go about it in the future, and this
>> depends on what we want to achieve with the artwork.
>>
>> Out of these three suggestions, I'd personally like to go with having a
>> art team work for us, but in order to make that happen, we need to find
>> some artists who are willing to work with us on this.
>>
>> == 1. Art Team Develops the Artwork ==
>>
>> With this solution, we have artists developing the artwork during the
>> development cycle, or over several cycles.  Using this method, it would be
>> logical to strive for a unified theme, where all of the components - XFCE
>> theme, icon theme, wallpaper, and the look on our website and social sites
>> are all coherent, at least to some degree. It would mean there is some kind
>> of a schedule, with planned goals. It would also mean that we need to get
>> artists to join our team.
>>
>> == 2. Submissions selected by Ubuntu Studio devs ==
>>
>> We set dates, call for submissions, and then the team decides what goes
>> onto the ISO. It would be hard to have a unified theme experience this way,
>> but the team is still able to select items that they think go well
>> together, and what works with Ubuntu Studio, generally.
>>
>> == 3. Community decides ==
>>
>> We set dates, call for submissions, and have polls. The Ubuntu Studio
>> team could either let the users decide completely, or at a minimum decide
>> what submissions will be up for a vote.
>>
>>
>> = Choosing wallpaper for this cycle =
>>
>> As for the current problem on selecting the wallpaper - we haven't really
>> discussed how to go about it. And we need to do that pretty fast. User
>> interface freeze is March 21st https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**
>> RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
>> **.
>>
>> The situation right now is that we have one of my wallpapers as default
>> on the ISO (just got it in yesterday) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**
>> UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme
>> **, but it's not a final decision in any way.
>>
>> We have gotten a few suggestions so far. It's not much, but enough to put
>> together some kind of vote. So, should we let our users decide (if we do
>> that, I'd rather we do it on social channels and mail lists alike, and use
>> some kind of poll service), or do we let the devs decide (which would be
>> faster)?
>>
>> I would like to include the best of what has been suggested so far in any
>> case, no matter which one is chosen as default.
>>
>>
> So what exactly is needed here? A unified Ubuntu Studio GTK, window
> manager and icon theme? If so it would be nearly impossible to make it all
> by the UI freeze (which is just a week away) wouldn't it? Considering the
> time required to arrange for an artist team, then laying out the plans and
> coordinating everything, testing for bugs...
>
>
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