Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] gphoto2
On Wed, May 14, 2014 6:58 am, yves wrote: i tried to access to my digital camera Canon powershot N with ubuntustudio 14.04 64bits i can see it with lsusb: ~$ lsusb Bus 002 Device 005: ID 04a9:325e Canon, Inc. but nothing happens so i try with my laptop with ubuntusudio 14.04 32bit everything works the memory card is mounted in the filesystem gphoto2://[usb001:002] is there anything i can try? I don't have a powershot, but my Canon EOS 60D works fine Hang on this is 32 bit too. Let me try on another machine. Yup, works for me on 64bit machine as well. Thunar shows: gphoto2://[usb:001,006]/DCIM/100CANON/ where my pictures are. Entangle also is able to connect on both machines and set various things on the camera and then trigger a shutter event for teathered operation. The only thing I have to watch out for is that the camera shuts off after a time out. In my case just touching any control brings it back... I toughed the menu button. Best thing is to plug in while the camera is off and turn power on while thunar is open. You should see the camera show up in devices and can click on it. I have automounting turned off as is default. If you have it turned on you might try turning it off. I am not using any external USB hub and don't have any other USB devices in use on either machine. I chose a mother board that has PS2 mouse/KB because USB mice are known for causing audio xruns in some cases. It would seem it is not a kernel problem in any case, but the possibility of some driver issue is there. I have found the USB ports on the back work better for me than those on the front for some things (USB hard drive in my case), but I used the front port this time with no problem. Those are my guesses and experiences. I don't know if any of them will help. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec Discussion: Introduce New Netinstall ISO
I've reconsidered a bit. lubuntu-core is great to base on, but we would at least need to add networking, and a few other things. We could also, as pointed out, just go with a smaller version of our XFCE setup - that would save us some energy, since we already know Xubuntu/XFCE better than Lubuntu/LXDE. In fact, our current DE, without the multimedia metas is probably quite a bit smaller than the Xubuntu installer. So, perhaps better to start with that. So, I think I will do that. I'm sure no one is against taking that road. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
At this point, to make things really simple, I propose that we create install options for other DEs, but without specific *-default-settings for those. Once we have that working, we can decide if we want to add our own session, which at this point would mostly be about displaying our artwork instead of the artwork for Kubuntu/Lubuntu/Ubuntu. At this point, we don't really need our own metas for those DEs. The ubiquity plugin will handle installing the DE meta and whatever extra packages we want to add to that setup, like ubuntustudio-meta. We keep our own DE based on Xubuntu, and make sure we sync with their changes more closely. More or less, just as now. We also use the same DE setup on both the smaller and the bigger ISOS. The smaller ISO will be missing most of the multimedia packages found in our metas, but everything can be installed having an internet connection. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
I would like to see galculator as a basic desktop component. I for example use the English language for my installs, but use a German keyboard. AFAIK galculator is the only calculator available for Linux, that by default interprets the German , as an English .. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
On Tue, May 27, 2014, at 02:06 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I would like to see galculator as a basic desktop component. I for example use the English language for my installs, but use a German keyboard. AFAIK galculator is the only calculator available for Linux, that by default interprets the German , as an English .. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel I would rather you suggested this to Xubuntu, or other DE flavors. I would very much like to keep our DE customization to a minimal. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
And some personal feelings as well. In the past I have tried lubuntu, xubuntu and KDE as they relate to use with the studio metas. I tried unity and gnome shell, but was not able to evaluate them well as they seemed to require more than my system had to offer. They seemed exclusive to those who could afford new and fast HW. Even my new laptop found it could not keep up with the computational requirements. In my mind this continued to make xfce the DE to use. I have used Linux for about 20 years now and started with slackware back when the default boot was text only and X was a play thing that needed more memory than most people could afford (I can get a whole system for what 16MB of Ram cost then). The WM at the time was TWM and then FVWM. KDE was the first modern style DE with a menu that did not have to be crafted by hand (or as was more aften the case, came with anything you might load so that the menu looked full, but many selections didn't do anything) but rather updated itself as SW was added. Effects became common and then gnome came along. There was a point that KDE started to use more cpu than I had and getting to artsy and effecty for me and so I started using gnome. I had a tape based studio with an Atari that I did sequencing on... the PCs didn't have anything as good or stable. I moved to AudioSlack when it came out with the hope I could record audio, but the SW wasn't really there yet and sub GB drives were still normal too. I tried other audio distros too. but found nothing better at the time. Somewhere in the early 2000s (2004 maybe?) I bought what was one of the better MB/RAM/Audio cards. and not too long after installed some different audio distros to try again... with some success. I don't know when I first started using UbuntuStudio maybe 2008-2010ish after a move to another city. I had done very little with my computer for a few years and liked the newer stuff happening in audio. Anyway, I like some of the features of the newer WM/DEs I have tried a modern version of FVWM, which is still being developed. It is fast and light there is not doubt, but it takes a lot of hand tweaking of config files to do anything. There has been a trend in linux distros not too long ago to include as many apps as possible. I am guessing there were two reasons for this: To show off how many free apps there are in the linux world and because it used to be hard to install stuff. Audio distros went through that too but there are now so many apps available there is just not enough room. So people have to be more picky. things seem to be swinging the other way now. Many distros are pretty bare. The installation tools are easy to use and really, most people use about three applications for everything. So unity, gnome shell, xfce-wisker and some of KDEs new environments are right on target for most users. I am noticing also, a simplification in the settings area. Many normal X settings are hidden. focus follows mouse cannot be set from the settings screen as an example. Having more than one workspace (FVWM was normally set up with at least 3 sets of 4 screens) is there, but hidden and not really set up... most users find it confusing. Linux is crossing over from a desktop made for development, to a system made for the end user. I think this is the right path. In the end it will bring better working hardware drivers to Linux. However, things are more tricky for distros like UbuntuStudio and other development based distros. There are desktops around that still have all the things that make development nice, but we have the task of making creative tools work well with the latest desktops too. They are not going away and it is the direction all DEs are going. The xdg based menus seem to be on their way out to be replaced by panel menus, lens based menus, and search based menus. (aside from the show everything as icons deal that android and win8 have chosen) We have talked about workflow based applications in the past and I think we were on the right track. I think it is what will fit in with the new DEs that we are seeing. Remove the clutter of the workflows not in use and present only the applications needed for one workflow at a time. What I am saying is that we can just map our applications over into some DEs (LXDE, xfce and KDE), but others we can't really. I have tried just adding an applications menu to unity and it does work, but it hacky and takes away from that DE. We need something better. There are add-on menus for gnome shell too, but I have not been impressed with their quality so far... they are also a hack right now. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
I have found that for video editing and news audio use nothing seems to beat the basic Win95 taskbar concept extended by multiple workspaces. GNOME2, MATE, Cinnamon LXDE, XFCE, and even IceWM all support this concept and thus are essentially used the same way once set up. Honestly, nothing has come along that is more functional to me than US Hardy's GNOME 2 with Compiz enabled and a 4 workspace grid or cube. GNOME 3 is pretty but hard to use for someone used to a traditional desktop, Cinnamon is gorgeous with the GNOME theme and works like the old GNOME 2 did but is heavy , XFCE is just enough different from GNOME2 to interrupt the workflow until you get used to it. Differences between Thunar and old style Nautilus are behind a lot of that. Now for the bad news: GNOME/Red Hat, Unity/Ubuntu, and KDE will all be handling the X/Wayland/Mir issue on their own schedules, so this is about to get messy for everyone else, especially those of us who favor any DE other than the Big Three, like 2011 but worse. As an example, if I had been sucessful in developing a metapackage to install Cinnamon with the US themes without a lot of hand configuration and in some cases rt kernel bugs, that work would have just been obsoleted by an upstream response to the Mir/Wayland transition. Mint is pinning Ubuntu at 14.04 and will not use the rolling releases, staying with 14.04LTS until 16.04LTS and relying on backports of end user applications. What do you want to be they won't be the last to throw in the towel and do this? As for me, I am keeping Cinnamon set up to look and work like GNOME 2/Compiz in UbuntuStudio Hardy did and will pin whatever I have to between LTS releases to keep it. I do in fact now have debs for my themes and icons, but am not sure they are up to standards for redistribution thus have not set up a PPA. I have the legacy theme packages ported to GTK3 with some customizations I've used since 2008, plus systemd, a working dracut with systemd in it, multi encrypted disk unlocker both for initramfs-tools and for dracut, and even a Plymouth theme using the KDE3 soft-green background image as on my desktop. The systemd, plymouth, and dracut stuff use some binaries harvested out of Debian Unstable packlages rather than locally built. All of this grew out of what started as UbuntuStudio Hardy back in 2008. On 5/27/2014 at 9:19 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: And some personal feelings as well. In the past I have tried lubuntu, xubuntu and KDE as they relate to use with the studio metas. I tried unity and gnome shell, but was not able to evaluate them well as they seemed to require more than my system had to offer. They seemed exclusive to those who could afford new and fast HW. Even my new laptop found it could not keep up with the computational requirements. In my mind this continued to make xfce the DE to use. I have used Linux for about 20 years now and started with slackware back when the default boot was text only and X was a play thing that needed more memory than most people could afford (I can get a whole system for what 16MB of Ram cost then). The WM at the time was TWM and then FVWM. KDE was the first modern style DE with a menu that did not have to be crafted by hand (or as was more aften the case, came with anything you might load so that the menu looked full, but many selections didn't do anything) but rather updated itself as SW was added. Effects became common and then gnome came along. There was a point that KDE started to use more cpu than I had and getting to artsy and effecty for me and so I started using gnome. I had a tape based studio with an Atari that I did sequencing on... the PCs didn't have anything as good or stable. I moved to AudioSlack when it came out with the hope I could record audio, but the SW wasn't really there yet and sub GB drives were still normal too. I tried other audio distros too. but found nothing better at the time. Somewhere in the early 2000s (2004 maybe?) I bought what was one of the better MB/RAM/Audio cards. and not too long after installed some different audio distros to try again... with some success. I don't know when I first started using UbuntuStudio maybe 2008-2010ish after a move to another city. I had done very little with my computer for a few years and liked the newer stuff happening in audio. Anyway, I like some of the features of the newer WM/DEs I have tried a modern version of FVWM, which is still being developed. It is fast and light there is not doubt, but it takes a lot of hand tweaking of config files to do anything. There has been a trend in linux distros not too long ago to include as many apps as possible. I am guessing there were two reasons for this: To show off how many free apps there are in the linux world and because it used to be hard to install stuff. Audio distros went through that too but there
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
On Tue, 27 May 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I have found that for video editing and news audio use nothing seems to beat the basic Win95 taskbar concept extended by multiple workspaces. GNOME2, MATE, Cinnamon LXDE, XFCE, and even IceWM all support this concept and thus are essentially used the same way once set up. I would tend to agree. It does work best for me because I am used to it. However, someone who wants to install Studio on Unity, wants to do that because they like the way unity looks and feels. If I make unity work like win95, I have taken their reason for choosing Unity away from them. People who like the newer DE style... or just want to be up to date (for good or ill) need to have something that works for them in the new workstyle. For us, the US dev team, That means thinking from a point of view that may feel just wrong. But a lot of new people are using computers and more people are trying out Linux too. There are boxes sold with Unity in them and it may be what someone has learned on and the win95 menu may just be awkward to them. To be honest, our whole customization of the menu is because the way it was made audio/video work a nightmare with all the applications in one big lump it was as bad as the win8 all the apps on the desktop. So the win95 menu is not perfect either though we have made it a lot better than it was. Differences between Thunar and old style Nautilus are behind a lot of that. Thunar is closer to old nautilus than what they have now. Software is not static. I don't know if that is good or bad... sometimes I wish there was just bug fixes and not UI changes :) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
Personally, having used Gnome3 ever since it was released, I have no use whatsoever for a traditional DE. The main upsides with Gnome3 for me are two things: 1.speed 2.simplicity. Also, the menu is not central for Ubuntu Studio. It's only needed for DEs that have menus, as those menus otherwise get cluttered. Our job is to make multimedia production work on Ubuntu, generally - on all its flavors. And, really, there aren't that many things we need to worry about when it comes to the DE for that to happen. The custom menu is nice, again for the DEs that have menus. But, what we still are missing is gui tools for tuning the system appropriately. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
