[ubuntu-studio-devel] rtirq for systemd

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi,

as it turned out during a request regarding lightdm [1], Ubuntu packages
should have completely migrated to systemd. However, even while
upstream, Rui provides a systemd unit, the Ubuntu packages for 16.04
and 16.10 don't provide a unit at all [2], but rely on
systemd-sysv-generator.

What is your opinion on that?

Moving it to /bin has got the advantage, that you never need to run

  /path/to/rtirq satus

you only need to run

  rtirq status

in addition there would no systemd-sysv-generator related issue
anymore and a systemd unit could be used. Not to mention, that getting
rid of this hybrid approach, it becomes easier to maintain an install.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
>From the latest mail,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-July/286299.html :

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:38:33 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>you should complain to the rtirq maintainers then (the debian
>multimedia team) for not porting it to systemd yet  

I wonder why they rely on systemd-sysv-generator.

That's from upstream, Rui, the one who wrote the script, not Debian,
aka Ubuntu's upstream, http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20150216.tar.gz ,
IIRC he's using Suse:

[Unit]
Description=Realtime IRQ thread system tuning
After=multi-user.target sound.target

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/etc/init.d/rtirq start
ExecStop=/etc/init.d/rtirq stop
RemainAfterExit=true

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



On Arch Linux it's moved to /usr/bin/:

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/rtirq.service
[Unit]
Description=Realtime IRQ thread system tuning
After=multi-user.target sound.target

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/bin/rtirq start
ExecStop=/usr/bin/rtirq stop
RemainAfterExit=true

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



>From the Arch PKGBUILD:

sed -e "s|etc/init.d|usr/bin|" -i rtirq.service



Debian doesn't provide it at all:

"File list of package rtirq-init in sid of architecture all

/etc/default/rtirq
/etc/init.d/rtirq
/usr/share/doc/rtirq-init/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/rtirq-init/copyright" -
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/rtirq-init/filelist

I'll talk it over with the Ubuntu Studio team, instead of talking to
Debian packagers.


[2]
"File list of package rtirq-init in xenial of architecture all

/etc/default/rtirq
/etc/init.d/rtirq
/usr/share/doc/rtirq-init/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/rtirq-init/copyright" -
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/rtirq-init/filelist

http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/all/rtirq-init/filelist

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2016-07-25 Thread CD Image
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:05:13 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>Then, also create your PPA to which you will upload your own custom
>meta.

That's what I once wanted to do, but for me it's rocket science and I
never found a simple explanation for all steps, IOW there's no demo
with a real package, a beginner simply could copy, step by step.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> Make it transparent, easy to understand and I will help.
> 

I was referring to helping Ubuntu Studio by becoming a developer. The
information is what it is, until someone by their own initiative
improves it.  And, the only way to do so is to learn how it is done.
And, to learn that, you may need to consult other developers - either
Ubuntu Studio devs,  or devs who do work for other flavors.  I can share
what I know, which is that - what I know. And, if I don't know something
I will refer you to someone who I believe knows what I don't know.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I tried to do this since years, but didn't find any explanation on how
> to do this.
> 


Did you ever ask for advice on how to dit?

The meta is built with the help the tool *germinate*. There's a config
file in the source (update.cfg - which needs to be updated for each new
release, and hasn't been yet, but I will fix that on next upload). In
the config file you will find the url for some seed files.
Some of the seeds are the same for all official Ubuntu flavor desktop
metas, some are specific for the flavor. So, in order for us to make
changes the packages audio, video, graphics, etc, we do that in our
seeds - not in the meta itself.
Once the seeds have been changed, the meta is updated.

If you want to create your own custom meta, you can clone our seeds, and
the add your own bzr branch for it in launchpad. Then, also create your
PPA to which you will upload your own custom meta. In the config for the
meta, change the url so it points to your own seed files. Usually, we
only change the codename, but I'm sure you can work out the logic for
the renaming.

Finally, to create the new meta package (once you have changed the
config), you run the update script:

fakeroot debian/rules clean
./update
dput  

If you need more info, let me know. This is quite a sparse explanation,
but I'm guessing you will make sense of it. If not, just let me know.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:50:50 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:26:55 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:  
>> >Get the latest seeds. Make the changes as specified in the wiki
>> >(additions, replacements or removals).  
>> 
>> Do you consider
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance a
>> helpful Wiki?
>> 
>> Are you kidding?
>> 
>> If I search for those keywords, one after the other ("additions,
>> replacements or removals"), nothing is show.
>> 
>> Is there another hidden Wiki?
>>   
>
>If you were sakrecoer, who that post was meant for, you would know
>which page I'm talking about.
>
>Again, if you would like to help, please start from the right end.

Make it transparent, easy to understand and I will help.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:46:41 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:57:32 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:  
>> >i can't find docs on how to remove or add apps to a package, for
>> >example add drumgizmo to ubuntustudio-audio...  
>> 
>> Just edit the "control" file. With an editor add a package to or
>> remove it from the "Depends" or "Recommends" list. The "control"
>> file is in the "debian" folder.
>> 
>> Assumed the package should contain the binary, then you need to add
>> everything, "Depends", "Recommends", "Description" etc. to the
>> "control" file, also you need to add the "Build-Depends". After that
>> edit the "rules" file.
>> 
>> Editing the "rules" could be as easy as ./configure but also very
>> tricky.
>> 
>> I guess you already know this and you've got problems with the tricky
>> kind of "rules".
>> 
>> The problem is that already Debian, but even more Ubuntu follows an
>> opposite of the KISS principle. In addition to make it idiotic
>> complicated, they also don't provide good documentations. There are
>> good reasons that I'm an Arch Linux user, the KISS principle + good
>> documentations in English + good documentation in my native language
>> and _everybody_ _easily_ could edit Arch Wikis.
>> 
>> You would be surprised how complicated building a snap is, compared
>> to a deb. However, consider to become familiar with both, building
>> debs and snaps.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>>   
>
>
>Please don't advice on our packagin Ralf, unless you actually know how
>it works :).
>
>Each package has its own logic, and when it comes to metas, it is not
>as simple as editing the meta package itself.
>
>If you would like to help out with this in the future, you are free to
>do so. Just let us know in that case.

I tried to do this since years, but didn't find any explanation on how
to do this.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:26:55 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> >Get the latest seeds. Make the changes as specified in the wiki
> >(additions, replacements or removals).
> 
> Do you consider
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance a
> helpful Wiki?
> 
> Are you kidding?
> 
> If I search for those keywords, one after the other ("additions,
> replacements or removals"), nothing is show.
> 
> Is there another hidden Wiki?
> 

If you were sakrecoer, who that post was meant for, you would know which
page I'm talking about.

Again, if you would like to help, please start from the right end.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:26:55 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>Get the latest seeds. Make the changes as specified in the wiki
>(additions, replacements or removals).

Do you consider
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance a
helpful Wiki?

Are you kidding?

If I search for those keywords, one after the other ("additions,
replacements or removals"), nothing is show.

Is there another hidden Wiki?


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 02:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:57:32 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> >i can't find docs on how to remove or add apps to a package, for
> >example add drumgizmo to ubuntustudio-audio...
> 
> Just edit the "control" file. With an editor add a package to or remove
> it from the "Depends" or "Recommends" list. The "control" file is in
> the "debian" folder.
> 
> Assumed the package should contain the binary, then you need to add
> everything, "Depends", "Recommends", "Description" etc. to the
> "control" file, also you need to add the "Build-Depends". After that
> edit the "rules" file.
> 
> Editing the "rules" could be as easy as ./configure but also very
> tricky.
> 
> I guess you already know this and you've got problems with the tricky
> kind of "rules".
> 
> The problem is that already Debian, but even more Ubuntu follows an
> opposite of the KISS principle. In addition to make it idiotic
> complicated, they also don't provide good documentations. There are
> good reasons that I'm an Arch Linux user, the KISS principle + good
> documentations in English + good documentation in my native language
> and _everybody_ _easily_ could edit Arch Wikis.
> 
> You would be surprised how complicated building a snap is, compared to
> a deb. However, consider to become familiar with both, building debs
> and snaps.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 


Please don't advice on our packagin Ralf, unless you actually know how
it works :).

Each package has its own logic, and when it comes to metas, it is not as
simple as editing the meta package itself.

If you would like to help out with this in the future, you are free to
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:57:32 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>i can't find docs on how to remove or add apps to a package, for
>example add drumgizmo to ubuntustudio-audio...

Just edit the "control" file. With an editor add a package to or remove
it from the "Depends" or "Recommends" list. The "control" file is in
the "debian" folder.

Assumed the package should contain the binary, then you need to add
everything, "Depends", "Recommends", "Description" etc. to the
"control" file, also you need to add the "Build-Depends". After that
edit the "rules" file.

Editing the "rules" could be as easy as ./configure but also very
tricky.

I guess you already know this and you've got problems with the tricky
kind of "rules".

The problem is that already Debian, but even more Ubuntu follows an
opposite of the KISS principle. In addition to make it idiotic
complicated, they also don't provide good documentations. There are
good reasons that I'm an Arch Linux user, the KISS principle + good
documentations in English + good documentation in my native language
and _everybody_ _easily_ could edit Arch Wikis.

You would be surprised how complicated building a snap is, compared to
a deb. However, consider to become familiar with both, building debs
and snaps.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2016-07-24 23:17, Len Ovens wrote:
> 
> > Ya, I haven't seen anything about packages actually being added
> > removed... maybe it has been done and I missed it. I just meant that if
> > the actual changes to our packages have not been made there is nothing
> > to test.
> 
> Ok, thanks for clarifying, Len. No i haven't seen anything either. In
> fact no one has assigned themselves to a work item.
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development
> I guess i should have been more alert and pushy...
> 
> I'd love to do a few but someone has to teach me.
> 

Get the latest seeds. Make the changes as specified in the wiki
(additions, replacements or removals).  Either do one bzr commit per
change, or for the whole thing at once by referring to the planned
changes.
The upside with doing one commit per change is that you can throughly
document the reason for that change in the commit log itself, removing
the need to consult any other source. But, I leave that up to the
commiter.

Once the seeds are updated, anyone can just ping me and I can update the
meta package - which is the only package of ours that is not really in a
bzr branch (it's the same with all meta packages, usually).

Once both the seeds and the meta are updated, our next ISO will contain
the changes.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Set Hallstrom
måndagen den 25:e juli 2016 kl. 13:03:00 CEST, Ralf Mardorf 
 skrev:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:00:50 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:

Could we get started on this list of work items sometime soon perhaps?
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development

I'd love to help, but i have no proper experience with that kind of
packaging. But i'd love to learn...


Why doesn't somebody provide step by step examples too the mailing list,
when making the next packages. IOW really everything, how to package,
how and what to upload. What to care about regarding Ubuntu policy.
Since everything like this is kept as a secret, resp. is only provided
by crappy English documentations, nobody is able to help you.



that would be very nice, yes! :) zequence made quite a lot of documentation 
about it, 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance but
there is only that much docs one person can write while having a hole bunch 
of other responsabilities in check, and i can't find docs on how to remove 
or add apps to a package, for example add drumgizmo to 
ubuntustudio-audio...


what i can offer in exchange of someone guiding me step by step, is to 
document the process as i exectute it... :)



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:00:50 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>Could we get started on this list of work items sometime soon perhaps?
>https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development
>
>I'd love to help, but i have no proper experience with that kind of
>packaging. But i'd love to learn...

Why doesn't somebody provide step by step examples too the mailing list,
when making the next packages. IOW really everything, how to package,
how and what to upload. What to care about regarding Ubuntu policy.
Since everything like this is kept as a secret, resp. is only provided
by crappy English documentations, nobody is able to help you.

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Add and remove packages

2016-07-25 Thread Set Hallstrom
Hi all,

Could we get started on this list of work items sometime soon perhaps?
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development

I'd love to help, but i have no proper experience with that kind of
packaging. But i'd love to learn...

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Yakkety Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)

2016-07-25 Thread Set Hallstrom
On 2016-07-24 23:17, Len Ovens wrote:

> Ya, I haven't seen anything about packages actually being added
> removed... maybe it has been done and I missed it. I just meant that if
> the actual changes to our packages have not been made there is nothing
> to test.

Ok, thanks for clarifying, Len. No i haven't seen anything either. In
fact no one has assigned themselves to a work item.
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development
I guess i should have been more alert and pushy...

I'd love to do a few but someone has to teach me.

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