Re: Lack of info
Cory K. a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Cory K. a écrit : >> >> >>> And honestly, I take offense to posts like this from someone who was >>> *supposed* to be on our team, was even flown to the states for a UDS, >>> and did *nothing*. Help us make things better. Don't complain about >>> things when you know nothing of the situation. Ask questions. >>> >> I just did the first even Real Time Kernell for Ubuntu, available in a >> repository. And that's why I have been invited at the UDS. I didn' ask >> to come, please remember. >> >> I still does documentation (mostly in french today), maintain the >> UbuntuStudioPrepation page on the wiki wich is one of the bases for >> Ubuntu Studio, do bug report, buy hardware for testing, and demonstrate >> to audio professionals what we can do with Ardour. At the moment, I am >> focusing on a dedicated production box for music, based on Linux, called >> Promethee, with development of new LV2 plugins, etc >> >> So I don't think I am doing nothing, as you said. Oh, of course, beside >> that, I have a work and a family, of course. >> > > If you say you're a contributor, I'm sorry, there are people who just > consider themselves users that have done more and have never been > invited to a UDS. (which you spent most of the time getting your own HW > support looked at) > > *I* invited you because of your desire to work closely with the team. Do > documentation and testing. > > You have done *no* documentation or testing that warranted the trip. It > was a waste of the teams time and Canonical's money. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation?action=info shows no > edits from you in at least 2 years and you have no account set up on the > ISO testing page for Studio. Any gear you have bought matters not as you > haven't communicated with us as to what you're testing and if it works > or not. > > Don't delude yourself and don't assume you know what we're going through > with Studio. Assuming and not asking questions is just insulting. > > This will be my last post on the matter. > > -Cory K. > > Cory, the first invitation I get for the UDS was from Dana and Mark Shuttleworth, it was not a request from you at all, I still have the emails. Please remember that I didn't ask to come, it was proposed to me, for my previous work on rt kernel. And Mark Shuttleworth had to ask me a second time to make me come. That's all. Another exemples of recent contribution : I was the main tester (thanks to my collection of hardware) and one of the contributor for alsa-firmware package (thanks to Toby for packaging). Then, I was at the origin of the contact with Medibuntu to get it in their repository. I was too the first people confirming that freebob driver works with jackd in Ubuntu (in general, not only Studio)... I had telephon and email chat (and did reports) with Steinberg people in France and Germany in order to clarify their position and licence of the VST sdk (a kind of lgpl licence), to try to find a way to distribute it. I still answer to bug reports for pro sound cards on Launchpad. And you don't know anything of my contributions in the french community of users. To conclude that unfair discussion (you are the good, I seem to be the bad), I have to remember something : as some people know (and I would guess you too, Cory), the main reason why I am not anymore an official contributor to Studio is because we (you and me) always disagree on what is important for Studio, from user support/forum to theming, including application focus, etc... Team people can just have a look at the history of the mailing list if they don't know or remember. That don't mean I do nothing. At all... My question was not intended to attack anybody, it was just a simple question about what is really important for multimedia users... Are theme and look so important ? Is it more important to have a set of choosen apps tweaked to work well together ?? Well, here are my questions, and questions of people I am working with on Linux based audio products, and several users I follow in France. But perhaps some people of the current team are not that same kind of users. If this is the case, thanks in advance to unsuscribe me from all the mailing list of Ubuntu Studio. I have no more time to spend here : look is the last importance for me. If some people think I am not so wrong, I would be pleased to see your answers, via the mailing list or directly on mail email. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Lack of info
Cory K. a écrit : > And honestly, I take offense to posts like this from someone who was > *supposed* to be on our team, was even flown to the states for a UDS, > and did *nothing*. Help us make things better. Don't complain about > things when you know nothing of the situation. Ask questions. > > -Cory K. > > > I just did the first even Real Time Kernell for Ubuntu, available in a repository. And that's why I have been invited at the UDS. I didn' ask to come, please remember. I still does documentation (mostly in french today), maintain the UbuntuStudioPrepation page on the wiki wich is one of the bases for Ubuntu Studio, do bug report, buy hardware for testing, and demonstrate to audio professionals what we can do with Ardour. At the moment, I am focusing on a dedicated production box for music, based on Linux, called Promethee, with development of new LV2 plugins, etc So I don't think I am doing nothing, as you said. Oh, of course, beside that, I have a work and a family, of course. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Future Ubuntu Studio design guideline and Jaunty/+1 idea
Nedko Arnaudov a écrit : > "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> I'm *thinkin'* of droppin' the #009bf9 blue and adopting the mainline >> Ubuntu colors. I'd still use our dark theme, just use orange instead of >> blue. Human icon set. The idea is to just look a *little* more Ubuntu. >> :) Just an idea. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > I like the blue in Ubuntu Studio much more than orange in Ubuntu. It > gives it more state of art look. And I think it is better suited for > something looking "professional" than orange that calls for joy of life, > sunset, etc. > > What about focusing more about choosing an packaging applications, user friendlyness and rt kernel, more than color and theme? I ask this question because Intrepid is worse than Hardy LTS to make music... (stability of rt kernel, etc...), making 64Studio a better choice today for that purpose. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Veejay
Hey, For people who don't know, you can find a package for VeeJay for Hardy, follow this link : https://launchpad.net/~veejay/+archive It is a great new to find it packaged. I hope that it will be a good base to find it universe, multiverse, or medibuntu as soon as possible. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Codec metapackages?
Cory K. a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Cory K. a écrit : >> >> >>> Luis de Bethencourt wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm wondering if we should go through the trouble of creating to >>>>> metapackages for A/V codecs? The obvious free and nonfree. >>>>> >>>>> They would include any audio *and* video codec that fits into either >>>>> category. "Free" could ship on the disks. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> -Cory \m/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Codecs are in a legal void I am not very clear about. I would need >>>> somebody to clarify me how does Ubuntu and Canonical deal with sharing >>>> codecs that don't explicitely permit this in their license uses. Maybe >>>> having a metapackage of so in an official project as Ubuntu Studio is >>>> a lawyer no no. >>>> >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> >>> I shoulda mentioned this. Maybe just split the 2 based on archive. >>> free=Universe, nonfree=Multiverse. That way, we should be clear. And the >>> lists that actually make up the metas is up for debate. I'm more just >>> wondering about the validity of the idea. >>> >>> -Cory \m/ >>> >>> >> Maybe this should be a package we can propose to the Medibuntu project. >> >> Thay already have a metapackage for the w32/w64/ppc codecs packages, >> wich choose the good codec package depending on your cpu kind. It should >> be possible to add a bigger list of package in this metapackage, I guess. >> >> Toine >> >> > > Please don't top-post. :) > > I wanna keep as many things in the repo as we can. So we'll look to the > official repos 1st. > > -Cory \m/ > > > Ok. But think that we already have alsa-firmware packages in Medibuntu. And this is a well maintained and used repository: there is libdvdcss, some restricted codecs, etc... It means users watching dvds on Ubuntu are aware of the Medibuntu Project. Maybe we could just add the medibuntu repository to the checkbox list in Synaptic, for Ubuntu Studio ?? then, considering it as an second kind of "restricted" repository, any user who wants to install all codecs, can do it more easy. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Codec metapackages?
Maybe this should be a package we can propose to the Medibuntu project. Thay already have a metapackage for the w32/w64/ppc codecs packages, wich choose the good codec package depending on your cpu kind. It should be possible to add a bigger list of package in this metapackage, I guess. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Luis de Bethencourt wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> I'm wondering if we should go through the trouble of creating to >>> metapackages for A/V codecs? The obvious free and nonfree. >>> >>> They would include any audio *and* video codec that fits into either >>> category. "Free" could ship on the disks. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -Cory \m/ >>> >>> >> Codecs are in a legal void I am not very clear about. I would need >> somebody to clarify me how does Ubuntu and Canonical deal with sharing >> codecs that don't explicitely permit this in their license uses. Maybe >> having a metapackage of so in an official project as Ubuntu Studio is >> a lawyer no no. >> >> Luis >> > > I shoulda mentioned this. Maybe just split the 2 based on archive. > free=Universe, nonfree=Multiverse. That way, we should be clear. And the > lists that actually make up the metas is up for debate. I'm more just > wondering about the validity of the idea. > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Addition to the -graphics meta.
Yes, great. Toine Luis de Bethencourt a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "pstoedit" - pstoedit converts Postscript and PDF files to various >> editable vector graphic formats including tgif, xfig, PDF graphics, >> gnuplot format, idraw, MetaPost, GNU Metafile, PIC, Kontour and >> flattened PostScript. >> >> Adding this allows Inkscape to import .eps files. A very common format. >> It's in Universe. I'd like this to be added to our seed list for the >> -graphics meta. >> >> -Cory K. \m/ >> > > If this helps inkscape it is a great addition to the meta. > > Luis > > >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> >> > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: request version update for SooperLooper
Jesse, Perhaps you and your team could package it ? and put it on GetDeb or a dedicated repository ? Wich version is in Debian at the moment ? Toine Jesse Chappell a écrit : > Hello, > > I am the developer of SooperLooper and I've had several requests from > users who would like to see a recent version of SL in the Ubuntu > Studio repository. It would be great if the maintainer could update > the package to version 1.6.3. > > Thanks, > > jlc > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Moving onto a new level with UbuntuStudio
Erno, I don't have more thing to add. As I said, the only matter with that kind of dark theme is when you have black text on drak gray background. It is not specific to LUX, but to several other dark themes, no matter the system/environment (macos, win, gnome, kde, etc...) So it is why I think that work can be done on that point for a new Ubuntu Studio theme. Toine SzerencseFia a écrit : > > > Thanks Toine, I work 7/24 on Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop therefore I understand > your concern. > What I need is feedback on your experience during the time using a particular > theme. > As UbuntuStudio is a dark colorized based distro this issue is something that > needs to be > taken into account. > > I experiment LUX and I put the colors together with exactly your points. > > So, Let me know what do are you running into during ths time using LUX theme. > > Cheers, Erno [Szerencsefia] > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Moving onto a new level with UbuntuStudio
Hey, Nice work. In general, with dark themes, a problem I want to highlight is that black text on dark gray background is not easy to read on laptop screens. It is a harder problem, when on battery, with less light on screen. Would it be possible to find a way that in menu, windows,etc. (not on applications if white backgroud, of course), text would be in blue or any light color ? It would be great to have a visual solution for next Ubuntu Studio. Toine > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Intrepid issues/review/plans
> >> - Midi works well in Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, what do you want to add ? >> > > Not so much MIDI as transmission of note data, but extending the > use of MIDI automation and controller input to handle processing of > more of the applications. Having it in jackrack to allow a sequencer > to feed automation of the laspda plugins is one of the types of > applications that isn't handled well now. > > So you need to rewrite Jackrack, ZynAddSubFX, etc... it is not only a midi support problem, but more an application problem : Ardour2 can manage many controle surface, Hydrogen can be used by pads, Mixxx can use several commercial midi/usb controls, etc... It's up to the application to support those type of midi input, no ?? Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Documentation
Philipp, Ok, So I'll be there to help you. Toine > Thanks Luis, the need for this kind of documentation is what drives me, > explaining the same stuff again and again on IRC just can't be it. > > ttoine, my plan is to provide set of basic first steps to get jack > running, as this is, from my experience, the most needed thing. > More in-detail descriptions should be on separate pages, else this > JackQuickStartTutorial, or however we will call it, will simply become > too large. > > I plan to keep the jack-settings in the tutorial at a high latency, and > I think that most cards work with that, but I will of course tell the > user to experiment and give hints for that, and ask for help on > creating a database of settings. Team members should also contribute to > it, since it's not a lot of effort for them (no extra signup needed). > I appreciate any help on technical details, since there are quite some > things I don't know, for example if rt should be set if the kernel is > generic. > That's all stuff that can be included once the page is there. > > On screen capture: > Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToQjackCtlConnections, > it appears to be possible. The code seems to be a simple: > attachment:TutQjackCtlConnections2.png > Here's the wikis tutorial page for that stuff: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Screenshots > > I'd like to have a nice name for the page for a start, so we can start > to work on it together. > Something similar JackQuickStart would be my choice. > Also, if you think my idea of the thing is flawed, please criticise now. > I may or may not start tomorrow, but it would be best if we already > had that thing up with the release of hardy (I'll base the thing on > hardy). > > Best Regards, > Philipp > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Intrepid issues/review/plans
Cory, I would like to add some ideas and thoughts : - Jack to Pulse Audio, Pulse Audio to Jack plugin, and VLC plugin for Jack, in order to ease everything working out of the box for everyone, and of course, to ease the work of people working on video score - What about Lash, it is compiled, but if it could really work it would be great - Enhance the possibilities of the ubuntustudio-control applications, and maybe, so, use it for enabling right access to peripheral like JogDial (as you suggest), tweak Jack to Pulse Audio or Pulse Audio to Jack, etc... (if it can be programmed, of course) - Midi works well in Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, what do you want to add ? Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Ok all. Intrepid is open and now is the time to identify things to shape > up for this cycle. > > Please share things you would like to see. > > Some things mentioned: > > * LV2 > * MIDI > * jackmp - http://subversion.jackaudio.org/jackmp/trunk/jackmp/ > * Redundant packages in -audio? > * Jog Wheel / Shuttle Pro Support? - > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2008-February/000288.html > * More default settings (that work for all. not just some) > > Those are just a quick couple. > > -Cory \m/ > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Documentation
Philipp, It is not so easy. First of all, depending of the sound card chipset, some will start with a period at 2, some at 3. As there is no database about that point (I can't find one), anyone will have to test. It is a good idea imho to create a wiki page with the tested setting of the user community, but I don't know if it is easy to motivate people to fill that. Second point, it is not compulsory to have a real time kernell in order to start Jack. If well set up with a long latency (more than 60ms), it can starts and works very well too. Third point, the frames is the latest point to configure. I mean that first, one has to set up the sample frequency he wants to work with (44,1, 48, ...), then, try different period values (most of the time 2 or 3). And then, when RT is activated, it is possible to decrease the frame value, so it will decrease the latency time. Basic sound cards (like integrated chipsets) will not work well at latency below 20ms. And some more professional sound chipset (M-Audio envy24, RME hdsp, etc...) will start without matter at a period of 32 or 64, giving very low latency around 2 or 3 ms at 48khz. Depending the use, the latency has to be different. For example, if the aim of the session is only to record a live performance, one can work with a latency around 60ms to be sure of the quality of the result. If the aim is to work on multi audio tracks with re-recording of musicians, the lowest the latency is, the better it is for the musicians. And if one wants to use midi, he will have to work around 8 ms or 10 ms to avoid midi synchro problems. So it means that people will have to test a bit, and configure depending their sound card, and their need. And once it is well set up, it is possible to save profiles for several uses and sound cards. Then, using Patchage is not very difficult to explain. A few month ago, I tried to write something on the ubuntu help wiki. The problem is how to include on a ubuntu wiki page some screen capture ? IMHO, it will be hard to write a good stuff for beginners on Qjackctl without any screen capture. If you know how to do that, I would be glad to help you. Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Is the leader of the documentation team Murat Güneş? And if so, is he > still not available? > > I feel the need to write a quick jack starter guide for new users, > which covers the absolute basics to work with jack. But I need some > advice, mainly because there are at least 3 articles that are similar, > but don't really do the trick. Additionally, I never edited a wiki > before. > > The guide, as I imagine it, in short words: > > 1. Make sure you have the rt-kernel > > 2. Make the appropriate settings in ubuntu studio controls > > 3. Make the necessary, stable settings in qjackctl, something like: > frames 1024, periods3, rt > > 4. How to make basic connections using qjackctl, patchage > > > Similar Articles: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/GettingStarted > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToQjackCtlConnections > > > Advice appreciated. > > Best Regards, > Philipp > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Know where I can get Ubuntu Studio shipped to me?
Hey there. Do u know where I can get Ubuntu Studio sent to me? I live in South Africa, and therefore are limited to bandwidth to download an DVD ISO! Rudi -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.04 release notes and translations.
Hey Ubuntu Studio team, You will find encloses a french version of the release note. Don't hesitate to ask me if there are some modification of the english original version I will translate it again. Toine == Ubuntu Studio Hardy 8.04 == Ubuntu Studio est une version d'Ubuntu orientée édition et création multimédia, créée pour les amateurs et professionnels de l'audio, de la vidéo et du graphisme avec GNU/Linux. L'équipe d'Ubuntu Studio est fière d'annoncer sa troisième version : Ubuntu Studio 8.04. Avec cette version, dont vous pouvez télécharger le DVD de 1,1 Go, Ubuntu Studio offre une sélection de paquets logiciels, orientés pour les utilisateurs audio, vidéo et graphisme. Ubuntu Studio simplifie considérablement la configuration de stations de travail multimédias basées sur Linux. Pour Ubuntu 8.04, nous avons continué de mettre à jour les paquets et à corriger les bugs pour que l'expérience Ubuntu Studio soit la meilleure possible. Nous avons développé une petite application du nom de "Ubuntu Studio Controls" pour faciliter la configuration du fichier limits.conf, par exemple pour les valeurs rtprio et memlock, qui sont pratiques pour utiliser le serveur audio Jack en temps réel. Cela permet également d'activer l'accès aux périphériques Firewire. Des efforts ont été faits dans cette version pour simplifier l'interface utilisateur. Nous avons réduit l'affichage à une seule barre, et diminué le nombre d'applets. Il n'y a pas d'îcones sur le bureau et le thème est un mix entre les précédents de Feisty et Gutsy : plus plat, avec juste ce qu'il faut de relief. Nous avons aussi ajouté 3 nouveaux fonds d'écran pour l'audio, la vidéo et le graphisme. Compiz est également disponible, mais n'est pas activé par défaut. Parmis les nouvelles applications : * Open Movie Editor (remplace PiTiVi) * jaaa (Analyseur pour JACK et ALSA) * Ubuntu Studio Controls * PulseAudio * gigedit (Editeur d'instrument au format Gigasampler) * mscore et le paquet fluid-soundfont * Genpo Fonctionnalités/Corrections/Améliorations : * Interface graphique simplifiée. Mise à jour des visuels et thèmes. * JACK Control avec compatibilité Pulse Audio. * Compiz distribué mais non activé. * Sons systèmes paramétrés. * Configuration de jackd pour lancer et arrêter PulseAudio quand JACK est utilisé. * Support complet de toutes les langues, elles sont toutes disponibles sur le disque. Particularités à mentionner : * Nous avons travailler avec Medibuntu (http://www.medibuntu.org) pour que le paquet alsa-firmware, nécessaire à beaucoup de cartes son professionnelles, soit disponible. Il est dans leur dépôt Hardy. * Control+F1 est configuré pour lancer le Moniteur Système de Gnome. * OpenOffice a été enlevé, il est toujours installable via Synaptic. Merci de consulter les notes d'Ubuntu pour tous les changements non spécifiques à Ubuntu Studio. Comme le précise notre page wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.com, "notre objectif est de rendre plus accessible pour les nouveaux utilisateurs les logiciels que GNU/Linux offre pour la création et la production multimédia. Nous voulons aussi mette en avant ce qui est disponible, et montrer aux utilisateurs des outils qu'ils ne connaissent peut-être pas. Nous pensons que c'est aujourd'hui notre meilleure version et que nous nous rapprochons du meilleur système possible pour la création multimédia. Merci à tous ceux et celles qui ont participé au développement d'Ubuntu Studio 8.04 ! -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: realtime kernel
I don't know... I don't own a ppc box or laptop. Can you check about that on the ubuntu wiki and launchpad ? Maybe Joejaxx can answer to that point. Toine Sean Edwards a écrit : > > How about for PPC? Is there a real-time kernel for PPC? > > > - Original Message > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:58:23 AM > Subject: Re: realtime kernel > > You want to build a real time kernell for Ubuntu ? It is still in the > repository, just look for 'linux-rt' package in synaptic or apt get. > > Toine > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: realtime kernel
You want to build a real time kernell for Ubuntu ? It is still in the repository, just look for 'linux-rt' package in synaptic or apt get. Toine Jason Schaefer a écrit : > Hello > > I want to build 2.6.25 realtime, where is the appropriate patch for > this? There are lots of references to various patches and its > confusing not to mention > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ only has 2.6.24 > patches. > TIA! -Jason > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Leave
Good luck and work hard to get them. Toine Toby Smithe a écrit : > Hi, > > I'm just making everyone aware that from about now on (ish), my time > available for free software will decrease as the priority of exams > increases. I'll continue my maintainership of fluid-soundfont and > mscore (which I continue to require Debian sponsorship for), but I'll > not be available on demand, and only occasionally be on IRC. Exams are > over by late June, when I hope things can pick up again. > > I will still be reachable by e-mail. > > Thanks for the ride, > > Toby > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Yay! We dropped OO.o!
Oh wow, I did not know about that one, thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Although I rely on openoffice, I would be happy to loose it from ubuntustudio > as > long as it can be downloaded. (actually, I usually install studio via apt > anyhow, so at that point, openoffice is already in the system) > > As far as invoicing is concerned, there is a great accounting program that > has a > deb installer now called 'quasar' > > You can download it from www.linuxcanada.com > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> True True, but how are you going to send that invoice to the client with >> out a word processor and spreadsheet...;) >> > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Yay! We dropped OO.o!
True True, but how are you going to send that invoice to the client with out a word processor and spreadsheet...;) Luis de Bethencourt wrote: > It is a multimedia distro. There is no need for rich text editors or > number punching sheet sofware. > > Luis de Bethencourt > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That is great news, I have really hated the bloat that that program has. >> What is replacing it? Abiword, Gnumeric? >> >> >> >> Cory K. wrote: >> > As of today's daily we have got rid of OO.o. W00t!! The pain in our >> > asses for 2 releases now. >> > >> > With this change we have decided to better our language support by >> > adding all the language packs. I'm still a little fuzzy on this and I'm >> > sure some tweaks will be made after testing. >> > >> > -Cory \m/ >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Yay! We dropped OO.o!
That is great news, I have really hated the bloat that that program has. What is replacing it? Abiword, Gnumeric? Cory K. wrote: > As of today's daily we have got rid of OO.o. W00t!! The pain in our > asses for 2 releases now. > > With this change we have decided to better our language support by > adding all the language packs. I'm still a little fuzzy on this and I'm > sure some tweaks will be made after testing. > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ship mscore / fluid-soundfont in Hardy?
It would be great, if the sound works just out of the box. It would be a great step in making music with a Linux distribution. Toine > . > > To sign off, I'll just ask again the question asked in the subject: do > we ship mscore and/or fluid-soundfont in Ubuntu Studio 8.04? > > -- Toby Smithe > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Suggestion for menu layout
I am currently using Gutsy. Well to be accurate, I had a Ubuntu 7.10 install with an upgrade to Studio. I did it this way as I was testing an audio problem I have had when using the CD iso. Cory K. wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Hello all >> >> I have just started using Ubuntu studio. Very nice so far. I have a >> suggestion for the menu layout. >> >> I would suggest two extra top level menus to sit along side the >> 'applications, places and system' menus. > > This is not possible as that menu is a applet. You can't edit it that way. > >> Currently these are sub menus in the 'Sound & Video' >> menu. There are also a bunch of programs and utilities that sit outside >> the video and audio menus that should sit inside. > > There are always gonna be things that sit outside that people will think > should be in. We can't please everyone. ;) > >> Otherwise keep up the great work guys. >> >> Ciao...Gareth >> > > You didn't mention if you are using Gutsy or Hardy. > > -Cory > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Suggestion for menu layout
Hello all I have just started using Ubuntu studio. Very nice so far. I have a suggestion for the menu layout. I would suggest two extra top level menus to sit along side the 'applications, places and system' menus. One for video production and one for audio production. You could possibly even split video into graphics and video. Currently these are sub menus in the 'Sound & Video' menu. There are also a bunch of programs and utilities that sit outside the video and audio menus that should sit inside. I think these menus could even be seperated from the 'applications, places and system' menus. Maybe sitting on the other side of the menu bar. Otherwise keep up the great work guys. Ciao...Gareth -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Enabling firewire with ubuntustudio-controls.
Think that the same tweak for sound cards allow the use of firewire cameras too. Toine Luis de Bethencourt a écrit : > Yes, we should do this. > > Luis > > On Feb 6, 2008 11:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Now that it seems we at a good point with *-controls I'd like us to look >> at enabling firewire audio devices. >> >> It must come with a warning about the security risk of it all. (the >> reason for it being turned off in the 1st place) >> >> Just a simple checkbox to enable/disable with maybe a pop-up warning? Up >> to Andrew and Luis really. >> >> -Cory \m/ >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> >> > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?
Luis de Bethencourt a écrit : > We can always use the "Pause" button. Who uses that one anyway? > > Luis de Bethencourt > Good Idea ! Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?
My question was not about ctrl+esc, I read your mails. But about ctrl+shift+esc Toine Cory K. a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In windows, ctrl+shift+esc launch system monitor. Is it possible to use >> the same ? (in order to avoid the compiz problem) >> >> Toine >> >> > On 2/5/08, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Ubuntu Studio has decided to add a keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor. >>> >>> Most windows users see this as a equivalent to Ctrl+Alt+Del. That is of >>> course already mapped and launches the logout dialog. >>> >> >> > > As Ctrl+Alt+Del is already used, we can't use it. As I said in my 1st > post, Ctrl+Esc *cannot* be used together in Compiz. > > > -Cory > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Alsa-firmware
Well done, Toby. Toine Toby Smithe a écrit : > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 19:25 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Tsmithe, >> >> Try to contact medibuntu team in order to have the alsa-firmware in >> their repository till it will be in a official Ubuntu one. It may be a >> good solution to be sure that people can install in a easy way. >> > > alsa-firmware is currently on its way to multiverse. It should be there > shortly, after being approved through the NEW packages queue. > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Speakers and sound configuration tool
Piotr Zaryk a écrit : > OK, but generally sound cards are controled by alsa (popular pro-audio > esi cards, audiotrak, etc.). I think that the most of the ubuntu users > would be satisfied with the tool. -> So it has to be a general Ubuntu too, imho. Toine > > 2008/2/6, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > > > > Piotr Zaryk a écrit : > > Yes, I agree that it is a general ubuntu need, but the ubuntustudio > > with its pro-audio applications would profit most by that tool. > > > Not at all... sound cards like RME hdsp have their own control gui and > alsa can not control I/O at all... > > Toine > > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > -- > Regards, > Piotr Zaryk -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?
In windows, ctrl+shift+esc launch system monitor. Is it possible to use the same ? (in order to avoid the compiz problem) Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Where we are now. (As of Feb. 5th 2008)
Tsmithe, Try to contact medibuntu team in order to have the alsa-firmware in their repository till it will be in a official Ubuntu one. It may be a good solution to be sure that people can install in a easy way. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Cory K. wrote: > >> Update from the meeting on Jan 6th 2008. >> >> * alsa-firmware (get into restricted modules) - (tsmthe) >>> No change in status. >>> >>> > > Toby cannot get alsa-firmware into LRM so we need to see if we can ship > it from Multiverse. > > * gigedit - (AstralJava) >>> Need update in status. >>> >>> >>> >> AstralJava should start work on this soon. >> >> > > AJ should be filing a sync soon as this has made it into Debian. > > 8) Edit meta descriptions to fix how they are displayed in our Tasksel options. (Will need testing. Revert if it doesnt work.) >>> Not implemented yet. >>> >>> >>> >> Not implemented. Joe should be working on this with Luke. >> >> > > Still needs done. > > **OTHER** 1) "Review video editors to possibly move from PiTiVi." (rexbron will be gathering intel) >>> Work is progressing. >>> >>> >>> >> KDEnlive and Open Movie Editor look to be the contenders here. We will >> be evaluating them during the Hardy dev cycle to see which has the >> better base. >> >> Interesting development. See last comment. https://launchpad.net/bugs/105907 >> >> > > Open Movie Editor has replaced PiTiVi in Ubuntu Studio. > > I will note that there is a big push for Cinelerra 3. Anyone interested > please join the Cinelerra ML. > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > >> New Items: >> >> * Rosegarden and Scribbus have icons in the wrong sections. - This was >> fixed with a new upload to -menu. >> * Scribbus is missing it's icon. - Cory is looking into this. >> * Brasero will replace K3B in Hardy for now. - It will need testing to >> see how it fits in with what we do. >> >> > > All done. > > >> * ALSA-firmware still needs work - Toby needs to step up the work and >> ask for help if need be. This _NEEDS_ to be in Hardy. >> >> > > Looks like getting this into l-r-m wont happen. Can it be shipped by > default as its a Multiverse package? > > >> * Joe will take over handling the seeds from Luke. - This is an >> important job and must be taken seriously. >> >> > > Joe has taken over and looks to be doing a fine job. There are some > concerns over methodology last I heard. Still true? > > >> * Ubuntustudio-controls is progressing and will need testing in the next >> 2 weeks. We will be pushing the .10 release to the archive soon. >> >> > > Happening now. > > Seems like it all. I have created a page on the wiki to better scratch > off and track these issues. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleaseTODO > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Speakers and sound configuration tool
Piotr Zaryk a écrit : > Yes, I agree that it is a general ubuntu need, but the ubuntustudio > with its pro-audio applications would profit most by that tool. > Not at all... sound cards like RME hdsp have their own control gui and alsa can not control I/O at all... Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Speakers and sound configuration tool
Very good idea... but is it to the studio devel team to create that ? it is a very general ubuntu need, imho. Toine Piotr Zaryk a écrit : > > What do you think about it? > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeakersAndSound > > There have been complaints that Ubuntu lacks a speakers and sound > configuration utility, which forces newbies to manually edit .asoundrc > and /etc/modules.d/alsa files if they want to use surround sound or > another soundcard. Manually editing the files is difficult and > frustrating to them, and not an ideal way to handle the issue on the > long run. > > The 'Speakers and sound' tool should be able to configure: * default > soundcard used by Ubuntu * speakers configuration (from 2.0/2.1 to > surround 5.1, 7.1, etc.) > > -- > > Regards, > Piotr Makowski -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Suggestions/ideas
Hey, I am glad to see that I am not alone to think like Haig about support, etc... Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our system sounds.
Cory, Can you check when pulse audio and sound modules are launched during the startup of the system ? Because if there is a missing module, or something like that, that is just launched when opening the gnome session and not before gdm starts, so gdm can not access to pulse and so no sound. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Cory K. wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> Cory K. a écrit : >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok. After some going back and fourth with seb128 and some help with >>>> crimsun I got the login/out sounds working in Ubuntu-hardy again but not >>>> in Ubuntu Studio for some reason. The rest of the system sounds work but >>>> not the sounds at GDM or Login/out. >>>> >>>> When running gnome-sound-properties and rapidly trying to play the >>>> sounds I will hit a caching error. >>>> >>>> So we need help to get this sorted out. >>>> >>>> -Cory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Is pulse audio enabled in hardy per default ? >>> >>> Toine >>> >>> >> Yes. >> >> -Cory \m/ >> > > It's great to see all the people stepping up and helping out. > > > If I can't get help on this it will be broken for Hardy's release. > > -Cory > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our system sounds.
So that's the problem, installing pulse audio in any version of ubuntu cause a problem of connection of GDM and other stuff to the sound card. Hope you find a way to fix that in Studio, and hope that it will not breal jack compatiblity. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Cory K. a écrit : >> >> >>> Ok. After some going back and fourth with seb128 and some help with >>> crimsun I got the login/out sounds working in Ubuntu-hardy again but not >>> in Ubuntu Studio for some reason. The rest of the system sounds work but >>> not the sounds at GDM or Login/out. >>> >>> When running gnome-sound-properties and rapidly trying to play the >>> sounds I will hit a caching error. >>> >>> So we need help to get this sorted out. >>> >>> -Cory >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Is pulse audio enabled in hardy per default ? >> >> Toine >> > > Yes. > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our system sounds.
Is pulse audio enabled in hardy per default ? Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Ok. After some going back and fourth with seb128 and some help with > crimsun I got the login/out sounds working in Ubuntu-hardy again but not > in Ubuntu Studio for some reason. The rest of the system sounds work but > not the sounds at GDM or Login/out. > > When running gnome-sound-properties and rapidly trying to play the > sounds I will hit a caching error. > > So we need help to get this sorted out. > > -Cory > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: How to modify the CD ROM image
In order to make an audio streaming server distribution ?? Toine Sean Edwards a écrit : > Hello list, > > Do you have documentation of how you build the ubuntu studio CD ROM? I > would like to make a CD that installs ubuntu studio, but only console > applications (real-time kernel, console audio applications, etc.), no X or > other GUI interface. > > Thank you, > > -=Sean Edwards=- > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: "ubuntustudio" meta package.
Hey all, What about having a kind of "ubuntustudio-core" metapackage with only the configuration tweaks, the -rt kernell, plus some other very important packages like jack, qjackctl, the little studio application in development, etc... ??? And of course, let the other current metapackages like they are at the moment. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Pulseaudio module support for jack
Luke, Is it possible to compile the pulseaudio module for jack anyway ? As a separate package, I mean. And then, perhaps, to put this package in universe? Toine Luke Yelavich a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 06:12:35PM EST, Patrice Vetsel wrote: > > For informations i'v reported a bug, asking to compile/add the jack > > module support in pulseaudio : Bug #181421 > > This is not possible, as jack is in universe, and pulseaudio is in > main. However, there are a few of us who would like to move jack from > universe into main. When this will happen is unknown. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re:
Yes, you will find what you need about jack, real time, etc... in Ubuntu
Studio.
Toine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> I'm sorry to bother you, i wanted to try your distro before contacting you,
> but
> i have no more space on my HD...
> I was serching for a multimedia distro to be used for realtime sound
> manipulation and i saw this new project. My question is: Is this distro and
> the
> programs included compatible with jack? If not, did you plan to implement it
> in
> the future? I need very low latency and lot of compatibility among programs
> (VST kind), and jack is the best for this.
>
>Grazie Infinite
> Cape
> BTW, i personally think that you have a very important responsability for
> the
> linux community since multimedia is the the weakest link of any linux distro,
> and if you menage to make a really super optimized low latency distro for
> professional use, it could be the turning point for linux angainst M$('couse
> it's war, man!).
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Re: [Poll] Changing permissions on raw1394
Cory, Of course as soon as possible it as to be removed. perhaps a disclaimer about ethernet on firewire has to be included in the app when the user use it to configure firewire. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Andrew, >> >> I am doing it by hand on pc and my workstation, and suggested to dot it >> to a many user I have provided support on the french community. Firewire >> sound card is common on laptop now if you want quality (usb sound cards >> are not very good with low latency). >> >> Just a few question : I guess you agree that there is no security risk >> if there are only disks, camera or sound card plugged in firewire, >> because they are "passive" hardware. But is there really a way to have >> ethernet on firewire ? Is it common ? >> >> Toine >> > > Yes. It can be done. I also want to stress that while the real-world > reality is that this won't pose too big a risk to most of our users I > don't want to play down the fact that this is a security risk. There's a > good reason it's disabled but default. > > This setting will also be removed from the app once the new firewire > stack gets into the kernel. > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Should Qsampler be dropped from Ubuntu archives?
Ok. thanks for the info. Toine Luis de Bethencourt a écrit : > Ttoine, > > The situation is not the same as MySQL or QT. I've contacted the > linuxsampler main developer and he's closing it this way because other > programs use linuxsampler not as a library but through sockets. > > Anyway, I will try to share some ideas of how to fix this with him. > > Luis de Bethencourt > > On Nov 29, 2007 9:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I agree with Cory. >> >> However, think that you can compare this discussion with the licence of >> Mysql, wich is GPL if the application is non commercial or GPL, and they >> have a possibility to make a commercial licence for closed source >> software using their librairies. It is quite the same problematic, and >> ofr what I know, mysql is in Ubuntu (for lamp servers) >> >> So waiting for a statement of linuxsampler team is a good thing, but >> imho we can package and distribute linuxsampler in Ubuntu. >> >> Toine >> >> >> >> Yvan Vander Sanden a écrit : >> >> >>> Luis de Bethencourt wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If you say it is so close to gpl... Why don't they license it gpl or >>>> any other known license with a foundation behind? >>>> >>>> When a linuxsampler developer gives me a valid purpose I will start >>>> agreeing with them. Or they license it gpl or any other free license >>>> for that matter, we will ship it by default. >>>> >>>> For now, they have their own license, which is never cool. And that >>>> license has ambiguos terms as you mention, that can be taken to be >>>> very free or dictatorship. As a contributor to a distro that deploys >>>> software to a _LOT_ of people. I can't take the risk of >>>> misinterpreting a license, and breaking it, or even worse, making the >>>> users break it. >>>> >>>> Not talking about you, Yvan, but most end users don't care about >>>> licenses. So we have to care for us and for them. Sadly enough, free >>>> software development isn't excempt of a lot of legal issues (which are >>>> boring and tedious). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I agree. It is a sound reason to refuse software if it's not GPL. I was >>> only worried because I thought there was a misinterpretation, and a >>> judgment made for the wrong reasons could polarize people. As a final >>> point I'd like to mention i don't use samplers myself. So it doesn't >>> have anything to do with my personal preferences. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> yvan >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> >> > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [Poll] Changing permissions on raw1394
Andrew, I am doing it by hand on pc and my workstation, and suggested to dot it to a many user I have provided support on the french community. Firewire sound card is common on laptop now if you want quality (usb sound cards are not very good with low latency). Just a few question : I guess you agree that there is no security risk if there are only disks, camera or sound card plugged in firewire, because they are "passive" hardware. But is there really a way to have ethernet on firewire ? Is it common ? Toine Andrew Hunter a écrit : > Hey everyone! > > If you have not heard about it already, the Ubuntu Studio team is > looking at creating an app that would easily allow users to change > common settings that they may be currently editing by hand.[1] > > One of the features that we are considering is changing the permissions > on raw1394 /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules from disk to audio or > video. This is a necessary change currently to enable firewire based > devices to work as a regular user, such as firewire sound cards and > video cameras. > > The other alternative solution is to add the user to group "disk", > though this may also cause problems. > > The issue with this is that it creates a rather large security risk for > the system, in that any device on the firewire bus can run with root > privileges. This risk is less of an issue for stand-alone machines that > do not use Ethernet over firewire, but is still something to consider. > > I would like to stress that it _will not_ be changed by default. All > that we are considering is providing a more accessible way to modify > those settings. > > In the future, when Ubuntu and by extension Ubuntu Studio move to the > new firewire stack in the kernel, this issue will be an non-issue. The > new kernel stack provides much finer granularity and control over > permissions on specific devices. > > The question then I am posing to you guys is this: How many of you > already change this setting by hand? > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > [1] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2007-November/95.html > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Should Qsampler be dropped from Ubuntu archives?
I agree with Cory. However, think that you can compare this discussion with the licence of Mysql, wich is GPL if the application is non commercial or GPL, and they have a possibility to make a commercial licence for closed source software using their librairies. It is quite the same problematic, and ofr what I know, mysql is in Ubuntu (for lamp servers) So waiting for a statement of linuxsampler team is a good thing, but imho we can package and distribute linuxsampler in Ubuntu. Toine Yvan Vander Sanden a écrit : > Luis de Bethencourt wrote: > >> If you say it is so close to gpl... Why don't they license it gpl or >> any other known license with a foundation behind? >> >> When a linuxsampler developer gives me a valid purpose I will start >> agreeing with them. Or they license it gpl or any other free license >> for that matter, we will ship it by default. >> >> For now, they have their own license, which is never cool. And that >> license has ambiguos terms as you mention, that can be taken to be >> very free or dictatorship. As a contributor to a distro that deploys >> software to a _LOT_ of people. I can't take the risk of >> misinterpreting a license, and breaking it, or even worse, making the >> users break it. >> >> Not talking about you, Yvan, but most end users don't care about >> licenses. So we have to care for us and for them. Sadly enough, free >> software development isn't excempt of a lot of legal issues (which are >> boring and tedious). >> >> > I agree. It is a sound reason to refuse software if it's not GPL. I was > only worried because I thought there was a misinterpretation, and a > judgment made for the wrong reasons could polarize people. As a final > point I'd like to mention i don't use samplers myself. So it doesn't > have anything to do with my personal preferences. > > Regards, > > yvan > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Should Qsampler be dropped from Ubuntu archives?
It would be a good idea to remove Qsampler, if it is not possible to ship linuxsampler... Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Since there are several samplers out there and Qsampler depends on > linuxsampler (which we cannot ship) Qsampler is kinda on the chopping > block in Ubuntu. > > What are some thoughts on this? > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Should Qsampler be dropped from Ubuntu archives?
In Ubuntu, per default, there is "Specimen". Toine gabriel moreira a écrit : > Which are that several samplers that could be used instead of Qsampler? > > 2007/11/26, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > > Since there are several samplers out there and Qsampler depends on > linuxsampler (which we cannot ship) Qsampler is kinda on the chopping > block in Ubuntu. > > What are some thoughts on this? > > -Cory \m/ > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Common settings app for Ubuntu Studio
Cory, Two good ideas would be with this little setup app: - "fix" the sound card number (alsa order, hw0, hw1, etc...) for people having several sound cards (ie motherboard sound card + pci sound card); - enabling access to firewire (both for video cam and sound card), with adding user to group "disk" This is for me the two things that can bother people using Ubuntu Studio and don't want/know what to edit and how. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > Hi all. > > Luke and I were throwing around the idea of a little app for common > settings that Ubuntu Studio users would like to have access to. > > It would have to be a app that ran as sudo. We would call it > "ubuntustudio-controls" > > We would have to get together a list of common things that users usually > edit by hand. > > One I can think of are in the limits.conf file. The "memlock" setting > where it would be specific to the users system, depending on their > amount of RAM. The "rtprio 99" and "nice -10" settings in limits.conf I > think are static for the most part and we can continue to set those for > the users and forget it. > > Any others? > > Anyone out there other than someone on the current dev team wanna help > us tackle this? Now I must say this is just a app for common settings. > Something to use a GUI to edit text files that you normally have to hunt > for. We're not out to make a app that will be some billion setting monster. > > So throw out some ideas. :) > > -Cory \m/ > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Thoughts for default Hardy UI. (.deb included)
I do it on the desktop, like on macosX... Toine Karoliina Salminen a écrit : > Hi, > > On Nov 21, 2007 6:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Karoliina, >> >> You already can do that with right clic on the drive (usb or other) and >> you will see "unmount" or something like that depending on your main >> language (démonter in french) >> > > I know, that I can do this in Nautilus. However, I would like to do > that on places-menu. > Right-clicking in Nautilus is unintuitive. > > Best Wishes, > Karoliina > > >> Toine >> >> >> >> Karoliina Salminen a écrit : >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>>> Its not so much the automated mounting Im worried about, its the not >>>> so automated unmounting. What drives me insane is having to fuss about >>>> to unmount a usb drive. >>>> >>>> >>> I have the same problem. It is slow and clumsy to unmount the drives in >>> Linux. >>> This results that I just type sync and wait the disk to stop and >>> disconnect the drive. >>> >>> >>> >>>> For instance, Windows XP has that little >>>> "Safely remove drive" Thing that pops up when a USB drive is present. >>>> >>>> >>> On Mac, this is simply an eject icon that is easy to press and it does >>> eject immediately without further questions. >>> In my opinion, this would be maybe most convenient if such eject icon >>> would be on the right >>> side of the menu item on the Places-menu (assuming that the places >>> menu is there, IMHO, it is one of the >>> most handy things in the Gnome UI compared to other UI environments). >>> >>> E.g. menu items as follows in Places-menu: >>> ... >>> >>> My Usb drive eject >>> icon >>> >>> ... >>> >>> The eject icon would then just run sync and unmount the drive and no >>> questions >>> asked, thing just done right now. Similar things are done in the menus in >>> the >>> Hildon Desktop, there is close-icon on the right side of program name >>> on the application >>> switcher menu. That kind of thing would be quite brilliant on Ubuntu >>> desktop too (for >>> ejecting (=unmounting) USB drives). >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Karoliina Salminen >>> --- >>> http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> >> > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio Involvement.
Dear Ubuntu Devel Team, Sorry not answering earlier to your mails, I was very very busy during September and October. Except that I miss time for being more involved for the hardy release, I have several reasons that let me take a bit of distance of the project. First, I disagree with the target user for Ubuntu Studio. Cory tell in one of his mail : "Also think about who our target audience is. People who have experience with Linux and multimedia production on it." I think there is confusion between the current audience and the target audience. 64Studio is the distribution for experienced user about Linux multimedia production, not Ubuntu Studio which seems more to be the first "look". Just have a look at the 64studio users forum and you will see some feelings and comments about that point. For me, we should focus on people discovering Linux, have a "easy to use" mind for desktop, have a live install dvd, etc... and perhaps do an install cd with only core apps, letting the choice to more advanced users to install the apps thay want, but with all the config tweaks done for Ubuntu Studio. Second, the alsa-firmware package is not in Gutsy, and it miss a lot for people who try it and see their sound card just don't work. I still meet people asking "why do I still need the terminal to compile drivers?" See the Medibuntu.org project, they will be glad to add restricted stuff in their repository. In the same kind of problem, If Pulse Audio is becoming the standard for audio in Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio devel have to take care that it will still be possible to run jackd, otherwise their will be a problem. Third, I am now more involved in the french community, supporting users on irc or by mail, and it takes a lot of time. I will do my best to make some documentation, but I think I will first focus my time on Ardour2 "manual", and writing good doc in french because there is a lack. You can see a good "resume" of the very important stuff to do and know about hardware configuration and basics applications to have to record audio at this url: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation . It is already linked on the Ubuntu Studio main page of the help wiki. So, shortly, for Hardy, I can't spend time about decision, way to go, etc... you know with that mail my feelings. I will see when Hardy will be released what will be Ubuntu Studio, and decide if I spend time again or not on the project. But, of course, I will still be around, and still be glad to provide my hardware for testing alsa, freebob, jack, etc... so you can be sure that all is working well, as I did until now. Best regards for everyone involved. Toine Cory K. a écrit : > (I'm sending this again to make sure Antione gets it) > > Hello Antoine. (I sent this to both address I have for you in case 1 > doesn't work) > > Our team has returned from UDS-Boston and with that we have > identified some things we need to take care of. Both technically and > and as a team. > > We need to know what exactly you involvement is, because honestly, it > hasn't been anything except for some advocacy. (you presentation a > couple months ago) > > At the start of the project (Feisty development) you were supposed to > do documentation and testing. I think you have 1 or 2 things on the > WIKI (rather small for being our documentation lead) and we've seen > zero testing from you. Especially when we needed you to test disks. > I've pretty much handled that myself sadly. :( > > So we need you to decide exactly what your involvement in this > project is. We need people who are active and communicate regularly > with us. Otherwise there's no need for a official connection to the > team. > > So please give a hard look at your situation and decide if you can > handle the responsibility of being very active in this project. > > -Cory > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Thoughts for default Hardy UI. (.deb included)
Karoliina, You already can do that with right clic on the drive (usb or other) and you will see "unmount" or something like that depending on your main language (démonter in french) Toine Karoliina Salminen a écrit : > Hi, > > >> Its not so much the automated mounting Im worried about, its the not >> so automated unmounting. What drives me insane is having to fuss about >> to unmount a usb drive. >> > > I have the same problem. It is slow and clumsy to unmount the drives in Linux. > This results that I just type sync and wait the disk to stop and > disconnect the drive. > > >> For instance, Windows XP has that little >> "Safely remove drive" Thing that pops up when a USB drive is present. >> > > On Mac, this is simply an eject icon that is easy to press and it does > eject immediately without further questions. > In my opinion, this would be maybe most convenient if such eject icon > would be on the right > side of the menu item on the Places-menu (assuming that the places > menu is there, IMHO, it is one of the > most handy things in the Gnome UI compared to other UI environments). > > E.g. menu items as follows in Places-menu: > ... > > My Usb drive eject > icon > > ... > > The eject icon would then just run sync and unmount the drive and no questions > asked, thing just done right now. Similar things are done in the menus in the > Hildon Desktop, there is close-icon on the right side of program name > on the application > switcher menu. That kind of thing would be quite brilliant on Ubuntu > desktop too (for > ejecting (=unmounting) USB drives). > > Best Regards, > Karoliina Salminen > --- > http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Release notes & new email addy
Hey, Please, add in the note that alsa-firmwares is not in Ubuntu Studio for this release. About that, can someone tell me where I can find find the package of tsmithe, because I have no news from him and he didn't answer to any my emails... The reason why I need it is because I would like to valid that it works well, so it will be done +1, since no test has been done on it at the moment with any of the concerned sound cards. Toine Luis de Bethencourt a écrit : > Guys, > > rexbron has made a wiki page with the first draft I did of the release note: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/GutsyReleaseNotes > > Feel free to edit and retouch, but have in mind final verison will be done > soon. > > Luis > > > On 10/14/07, Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> there goes what I have done in my cool but not formal spanglish... >> >> most important stuff to mention in this release note are: >> rt kernel, new menu and canonical building the disc. >> >> I've mentioned more since there are a lot more, please edit asap (not >> much time left). >> >> Luis de Bethencourt >> >> On 10/14/07, Janne Jokitalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> just to let you know that I haven't forgotten, and will take a stab at the >>> release notes tomorrow from 0900 GMT onwards. Suggestions and opinions will >>> be accepted to be included in the first draft up until then. Revisions will >>> take place after that for sure, so don't worry about going totally unheard >>> of if you miss that deadline. :) >>> >>> And please take notice of my new email address, in case you ever plan on >>> using private messages. :) Hopefully this one will last a lot longer than >>> the previous... :) >>> >>> Greets, >>> >>> -- >>> Jaska >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >>> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >>> >>> >> -- >> Luis de Bethencourt Guimerá >> luisbg >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> GPG: B0ED1326 >> >> >> > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
