Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

Well, this ended up on the wrong thread - clumsy me!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

I've added a bunch of forum links here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelationsDocumentation#Forums

Notice I've added the sentence "Use these?" for most of them. I will use
them this once, but not sure if they are appropriate really. I'm going
to post to a misc section in all those forums, since no other would be
on topic.

Only the linuxmusicians forum allows for posting news about anything
linuxaudio specific, which seems like a nice place for us to post news
as well. Couldn't find any linuxgraphics or linuxvideo forums, which
would be equivalent to linuxaudio.

On top of that, I've created official Ubuntu Studio accounts in:
 * http://linuxforums.org - not only for using the forum, but also
 writing articles)
 * http://diasp.eu - peer to peer social network. Small outreach, but a
 lot of linux people there.

Diaspora is as said a peer to peer social network. You may create an
account at any hub, and you should be able to socialize with any account
on any other hub. I'm using diasp.eu, since it's one of the larger ones,
and it had open registration. Our diaspora address is
ubuntustu...@diasp.eu.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[set]

On 2015-10-29 13:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> A note that isn't related to Krita.
> 
> This drawing causes the same pain as many websites with a black
> background and dark grey fonts cause for me.
> 
> I'm using CRTs and environments with bright themes, IOW more or less
> white background with more or less black fonts. I reduce the brightness
> and contrast of the CRTs. Sure, for drawings there's the need to fix
> the colours, brightness, contrast etc., but for averaged usage it's
> better for the CRT and for the user to at least reduce the brightness,
> so it's nearly impossible for me to recognise the face of your drawing.
> 
> The headset and the spiderweb laser coming out of the aerosol can leads
> to the face of a Japanese school girl, but she seems to have a beard
> and an animal nose.
> 
> The contrast seems not to be optimal for old school CRT users, power
> saving tablet PC and smart phone users. Btw. on my iPad I've got an app
> to switch between two brightness settings, but I don't have this option
> for my Ubuntu Wily and the used CRT I'm using right now.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
Thank you for your feedback. I am afraid the quality of the drawing is
on the drawer: that would be me, not krita! (btw the bad resolution is
neither on krita, it's me sending the wrong file.)

As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of
mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to tune
it according to personal taste using krita.

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:24:54 +0100, set wrote:
>On 2015-10-29 11:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>I tested Krita as a replacement for GIMP. Krita is completely
>>unusable. It's missing features and the performance is much to
>>slow.
>Strange, i use it very much and never had to complain about anything. I
>actually have got a design studio in barcelona to migrate to it from
>adobe tools. But it is important to know krita is not a substitute to
>gimp. It's really made for digital painting/drawing.

Gimp (and PhotoShop) are for painting/drawing too.

Krita performs on other machines as other apps do? On my machine it
performs very bad. It's very, very slow. Does it require special
graphics settings, CPU and or RAM resources that aren't needed for GIMP?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:37:55 +0100, set wrote:
>Here is a picture i've drawn with it. Nothing else used. At it's height
>it had 17 layers with transparencies and filters and such... Not a huge
>piece of any sort, but proof it works well for what is ment.

A note that isn't related to Krita.

This drawing causes the same pain as many websites with a black
background and dark grey fonts cause for me.

I'm using CRTs and environments with bright themes, IOW more or less
white background with more or less black fonts. I reduce the brightness
and contrast of the CRTs. Sure, for drawings there's the need to fix
the colours, brightness, contrast etc., but for averaged usage it's
better for the CRT and for the user to at least reduce the brightness,
so it's nearly impossible for me to recognise the face of your drawing.

The headset and the spiderweb laser coming out of the aerosol can leads
to the face of a Japanese school girl, but she seems to have a beard
and an animal nose.

The contrast seems not to be optimal for old school CRT users, power
saving tablet PC and smart phone users. Btw. on my iPad I've got an app
to switch between two brightness settings, but I don't have this option
for my Ubuntu Wily and the used CRT I'm using right now.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:15:13 +0100, set wrote:
>As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of
>mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to
>tune it according to personal taste using krita.

A drawing purposed to be displayed by a MUA already should be optimized
to the lowest common denominator :p.

The bottom of http://ardour.org/ is nearly unreadable on my CRT and the
orange or what ever this colour of the text behind the ** should be on
http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html, is also nearly unreadable on the
CRT.

On my iPad using the dimmed brightness profile, the bottom of the Ardour
homepage already is good readable, but the orange text of the AV Linux
page depending to environment light still isn't a pleasure to read.
The face of your drawing becomes good visible on the iPad too.

Replication always is an issue, drawings become ugly regarding average
values for magazine printing, audio recordings become muddy when played
on different gear.

Perhaps nearly nobody nowadays still uses CRTs and when they were used
by most users, then a lot of people used much brightness and contrast
optimised to the high brightness. When the monitors aged they were
replaced by new monitors, when too much brightness causes headaches,
pills helped. :D



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[set]

On 2015-10-29 15:54, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:15:13 +0100, set wrote:
>> As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of
>> mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to
>> tune it according to personal taste using krita.
> 
> A drawing purposed to be displayed by a MUA already should be optimized
> to the lowest common denominator :p.

The point was not to show a superbe piece of art to everyones amazement.
It was to show that krita works for what it is intended. However, i have
displayed it to the *Make Up Artist* i live with (she runs thunderbird
on her ubuntustudio), and it didn't get best marks, but was approved. :D

> 
> The bottom of http://ardour.org/ is nearly unreadable on my CRT and the
> orange or what ever this colour of the text behind the ** should be on
> http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html, is also nearly unreadable on the
> CRT.

hm... i can read it without any trouble... but i have no CRT.

> 
> On my iPad using the dimmed brightness profile, the bottom of the Ardour
> homepage already is good readable, but the orange text of the AV Linux
> page depending to environment light still isn't a pleasure to read.
> The face of your drawing becomes good visible on the iPad too.

I have no CRT, so there is no way for me to verify. But then again i
also lack the need to make it compatible with lowest common denominator:
I draw for myself.

Have you tried calibrating your CRT with a calibrator?

> Replication always is an issue, drawings become ugly regarding average
> values for magazine printing, audio recordings become muddy when played
> on different gear.

That is why we have pantone and proofprinting! :)
Thanks for bringing it up. This is something that should be mentioned on
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Graphics/draftpage

> 
> Perhaps nearly nobody nowadays still uses CRTs and when they were used
> by most users, then a lot of people used much brightness and contrast
> optimised to the high brightness. When the monitors aged they were
> replaced by new monitors, when too much brightness causes headaches,
> pills helped. :D
> 

Yeah, ever since i stopped using CRT well, i don't miss my CRT :)

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

I had no trouble using GIMP for photoediting even on Pentium III class
machines. None of the photos were larger than 6MP however.

On 10/29/2015 at 7:38 AM, "set"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-10-29 12:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Gimp (and PhotoShop) are for painting/drawing too.
>> 
>> Krita performs on other machines as other apps do? On my machine 
>it
>> performs very bad. It's very, very slow. Does it require special
>> graphics settings, CPU and or RAM resources that aren't needed 
>for GIMP?
>> 
>Yes you can draw with gimp too, and do so very well. But gimp has 
>MANY
>functions and is hence not always suited for painters who do not 
>really
>care about those affinities. I run it on intel core i3 with 4 gb 
>ram and
>no graphic cards, its smooth like a vanilla yogurth. I also run it 
>on a
>intel core i7 with 16gb ram, Nvidia 4gb GTX770 and SSD. The only
>difference between both machines i can notice (except from the 
>obvious
>overall system speed increase) is that the 16gb ram one can handle 
>more
>layers. No special settings required... Never crashed, computer 
>never
>said "no".. :)
>
>Here is a picture i've drawn with it. Nothing else used. At it's 
>height
>it had 17 layers with transparencies and filters and such... Not a 
>huge
>piece of any sort, but proof it works well for what is ment.


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