Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Kdenlive comes with a lot of dependencies but also a hell of a lot of capability combined with a GUI not as different from the paid video editors as blender's video editing GUI. It does add a lot of dependencies, but lots of times someone ends up needing one KDE application anyway, Right now the real ugliness is having anything that depends on KDE 4 plus something that depends on kf5, as the newest version of kdenlive does. That should soon be resolved. Kdenlive is also an official part of the KDE 5 software suite (whatever it's official name is) and will probably thus end up a default install in Kubuntu at some point. On 5/12/2015 at 6:58 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I agree, we need one simple and one advanced. With kdenlive, however, come a lot of KDE dependencies. It will add weight to install I so, and is not great for performance. Blender is a desktop agnostic application, that is why it is my main choice, + you can use it in jacks, sync transport with ardour, and many more. Maybe we can create a custom user profile dedicated for video editing, and have a standard launcher for 3D ? Le 12 mai 2015 12:32, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2015-05-12 12:29, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and Mac platforms as well as a more advanced application for creating more advance videos. /Jimmy That's a great idea! I'm 700% down with you on it :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
One thing about Openshot: It shares the same backend as kdenlive, but you must make sure that in a finished distro they are both depending on the same versions of melt or installing one blocks the other. I've run into this with ppa versions of kdenlive blocking openshot from installing. I was alwasy curious to see what Openshot was doing and thus often installed it for testing, On 5/12/2015 at 5:44 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). A good solution could be to integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio: http://blendervelvets.org/ This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful addons, focused on video editing. What do you think of this idea ? Antoine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 11:03 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com: My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Be careful not to over-simplify, that's part of what a lot of people don't like about GNOME these days. On 5/12/2015 at 9:21 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I agree, we need more simplification. Le 12 mai 2015 12:49, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but i'm assuming that someone interested in video will also want to have the graphic workflow. Same goes for audio- editing. I think i can comfortably state that Video sort of implies audio by nature. What do you think? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:36 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive comes with a lot of dependencies but also a hell of a lot of capability combined with a GUI not as different from the paid video editors as blender's video editing GUI. It does add a lot of dependencies, but lots of times someone ends up needing one KDE application anyway, That's a good point. A user with previous experience with video editors, will be way more familiar to Kdenlive than blender. How is the documentation for kdenlive? Is it possible to open a video project from kdenlive on another OS? In terms of feature, how would you compare kdenlive and blender? I've worked with kdenlive, only enough to have a partial judgement. You on the other hand seem to be quite busy with it and with video in general. I would love to read an A - B comparison if any exist. Right now the real ugliness is having anything that depends on KDE 4 plus something that depends on kf5, as the newest version of kdenlive does. That should soon be resolved. Kdenlive is also an official part of the KDE 5 software suite (whatever it's official name is) and will probably thus end up a default install in Kubuntu at some point. I'm not sure how to consider this information. On one hand it sounds good, because if it's an official kubuntu application, the support and user base will presumably be great. But the technical part seem challenging. Do you think it's worth the effort? My skills won't allow me to help very much on that level, so i guess i am asking on behalf of the skilled ones. -- Set Hallström -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
On 2015-05-12 12:29, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and Mac platforms as well as a more advanced application for creating more advance videos. /Jimmy That's a great idea! I'm 700% down with you on it :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). A good solution could be to integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio: http://blendervelvets.org/ This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful addons, focused on video editing. What do you think of this idea ? Antoine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 11:03 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com: My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and Mac platforms as well as a more advanced application for creating more advance videos. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
I agree, we need one simple and one advanced. With kdenlive, however, come a lot of KDE dependencies. It will add weight to install I so, and is not great for performance. Blender is a desktop agnostic application, that is why it is my main choice, + you can use it in jacks, sync transport with ardour, and many more. Maybe we can create a custom user profile dedicated for video editing, and have a standard launcher for 3D ? Le 12 mai 2015 12:32, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2015-05-12 12:29, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and Mac platforms as well as a more advanced application for creating more advance videos. /Jimmy That's a great idea! I'm 700% down with you on it :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Both OpenShot and Pitivi have been in the stage of backend rewrite for some time: In https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/description Jonathan Thomas said he's developing a new, revolutionary, cross-platform backend since 2011. I checked the download page but it only points to the old 1.4.3 release from 2012, not to the new 2.0. Pitivi also started a fundraising campaign in 2014, the primary goal of Thibault Saunier and Mathieu Duponchelle being stabilization, see http://fundraiser.pitivi.org/. You can try the latest Pitivi by running a bundle with all the dependencies included http://www.pitivi.org/?go=download . So none of them are really there but both are making progress. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
You guys mention blender its not for normal videos. It is more for 3d animated movies etc. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). A good solution could be to integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio: http://blendervelvets.org/ This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful addons, focused on video editing. What do you think of this idea ? Antoine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 11:03 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com: My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Jonathan Aquilina -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but i'm assuming that someone interested in video will also want to have the graphic workflow. Same goes for audio-editing. I think i can comfortably state that Video sort of implies audio by nature. What do you think? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
I agree, we need more simplification. Le 12 mai 2015 12:49, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but i'm assuming that someone interested in video will also want to have the graphic workflow. Same goes for audio-editing. I think i can comfortably state that Video sort of implies audio by nature. What do you think? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote: While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but i'm assuming that someone interested in video will also want to have the graphic workflow. Same goes for audio-editing. I think i can comfortably state that Video sort of implies audio by nature. What do you think? I'm ok with that I say that without any real knowledge as to the usablility, but the file edit is easy. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
On 2015-05-12 11:43, ttoine wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Thats good news! I felt an instant regret after sending that hair rant without even opening a rant tag... i hope no-one got offended. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). I think it should be possible to achieve using a different user configuration when clicking the blender shortcut in the video menu. A good solution could be to integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio: http://blendervelvets.org/ This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful addons, focused on video editing. What do you think of this idea ? Antoine I think its a good idea, but the problem with keyboard shortcut correction, is that it renders most of the available tutorial useless. Especially if the implementation of the shortcut mod is _not_ pro-active. Actually, the quantity of available on-line documentation in various formats is another very good argument for giving blender a better position in the video work-flow. -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Good discussion everyone! Reducing options has also come up in the Debian Multimedia team. Several people there agreed that it would be nice to have a basic setup in each category for new users, and then a pro setup. How do we make users aware of the choice? Then if we could find a way to make it easy for users to search for and install other more specialist packages? Debtags was considered as one part of the picture here. On 05/12/2015 03:21 PM, ttoine wrote: I agree, we need more simplification. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Users will find their way very easily: they will try the software and see immediately if the learning curve is easy or not. Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 16:51 GMT+02:00 Ross Gammon ret...@the-gammons.net: Good discussion everyone! Reducing options has also come up in the Debian Multimedia team. Several people there agreed that it would be nice to have a basic setup in each category for new users, and then a pro setup. How do we make users aware of the choice? Then if we could find a way to make it easy for users to search for and install other more specialist packages? Debtags was considered as one part of the picture here. On 05/12/2015 03:21 PM, ttoine wrote: I agree, we need more simplification. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... Wouldn't it be a lot easier for everyone, if blender became the bundled video sequence editor? And all those other options remained option? A good way to help users find the VSE in blender, could be to either set the shortcut to open blender in VSE mode, which i'm not sure is possible. But perhaps there is a possibility to start blender with a customized start-up file? Yours, -- Set Hallstrom -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:39 PM, WMID wachin...@gmail.com wrote: Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel That would be Martin Munthe, who has been somewhat active in the IRC on a couple of occasions: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Munthe http://munthe.biz/ https://twitter.com/martinmunthe It seems he has deleted all his previous blog articles which covered the open source projects. Found the old site though: http://openvideolab.blogspot.se/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... The reason I put it up there is to check if it will affect Ubuntu Studio or not. It could be that it will continue to work just as before, but it raised some questions when I read Kdenlive's latest updates: --- We stick to KDE Applications release schedule, which means one bugfix release every month, one feature improved version every 4 months. Since we are now based on Qt5/KF5, you NEED KDE Frameworks 5 to run Kdenlive. You will have to run a recent distribution offering KF5, this may be problematic at the beginning (you can stick to 0.9.10)... --- So it could be that 0.9.10 would be that last version for Ubuntu Studio, or not. I have tried several video editors over the year and they all have their advantages and disadvantages. PiTiVi and openshot I would say are in the same category, easy to do home videos but not suitable for any medium or advanced editing. Making a amateur home music video with more than one video and one audio file is IMHO a mess. Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it more often require google skills and reading forums to understand how to do it. Not click-and-drag like in Mac or Windows environments. Blender, to me, is more of a 3D application and not really a video editor even though you would be able to do a music video in Blender. I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! So far Kdenlive have been the least worst choice. I know a Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive. Then there is Lightworks and Cinelerra which are on the advanced side. They have a bit of more tricky licensing, but I haven't studied them in detail. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel 2015-05-11 7:32 GMT-05:00 Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... The reason I put it up there is to check if it will affect Ubuntu Studio or not. It could be that it will continue to work just as before, but it raised some questions when I read Kdenlive's latest updates: --- We stick to KDE Applications release schedule, which means one bugfix release every month, one feature improved version every 4 months. Since we are now based on Qt5/KF5, you NEED KDE Frameworks 5 to run Kdenlive. You will have to run a recent distribution offering KF5, this may be problematic at the beginning (you can stick to 0.9.10)... --- So it could be that 0.9.10 would be that last version for Ubuntu Studio, or not. I have tried several video editors over the year and they all have their advantages and disadvantages. PiTiVi and openshot I would say are in the same category, easy to do home videos but not suitable for any medium or advanced editing. Making a amateur home music video with more than one video and one audio file is IMHO a mess. Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it more often require google skills and reading forums to understand how to do it. Not click-and-drag like in Mac or Windows environments. Blender, to me, is more of a 3D application and not really a video editor even though you would be able to do a music video in Blender. I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! So far Kdenlive have been the least worst choice. I know a Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive. Then there is Lightworks and Cinelerra which are on the advanced side. They have a bit of more tricky licensing, but I haven't studied them in detail. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Washington Indacochea Delgado -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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Lightworks is not Free and not open source at this time. It also phones home for licensing just like in Windows, and without the source you do not know what it is sending. No way I'm giving a blob known to phone home access to my raw clips, given that I shoot activist news videos from places like Baltimore. Cinelerra does not seem to have kept up with the codecs, at least as installed in Ubuntu from one of the PPA's I've used. My camera shoots in AVCHD and Cinelerra can't use those files. I used to use Cinelerra to clean up choppy video from a 20fps camera that sometimes shot duplicate frames-but usually worked on the output from a kdenlive render job to do this. Today Shotcut can do a better job of that sort of interpolation. Kdenlive has a much better GUI than Cinelerra to many, myself included. On the other hand, I suspect people who edit video judge all video editor interfaces by how similar they are to the first video editor they put a lot of time into using! To me, it's about how easy it is for a kdenlive user to use any other editor, for example. If someone learned to edit video on Blender and got to the point of being proficient with Blender's keyboard shortcuts, that might turn all other video editor interfaces into clunky, hard to use throwbacks for that user. In short, video interfaces are like DE's and I think people will always judge them by what they learned on. On 5/11/2015 at 8:39 AM, WMID wachin...@gmail.com wrote: Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel 2015-05-11 7:32 GMT-05:00 Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... The reason I put it up there is to check if it will affect Ubuntu Studio or not. It could be that it will continue to work just as before, but it raised some questions when I read Kdenlive's latest updates: --- We stick to KDE Applications release schedule, which means one bugfix release every month, one feature improved version every 4 months. Since we are now based on Qt5/KF5, you NEED KDE Frameworks 5 to run Kdenlive. You will have to run a recent distribution offering KF5, this may be problematic at the beginning (you can stick to 0.9.10)... --- So it could be that 0.9.10 would be that last version for Ubuntu Studio, or not. I have tried several video editors over the year and they all have their advantages and disadvantages. PiTiVi and openshot I would say are in the same category, easy to do home videos but not suitable for any medium or advanced editing. Making a amateur home music video with more than one video and one audio file is IMHO a mess. Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it more often require google skills and reading forums to understand how to do it. Not click-and-drag like in Mac or Windows environments. Blender, to me, is more of a 3D application and not really a video editor even though you would be able to do a music video in Blender. I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! So far Kdenlive have been the least worst choice. I know a Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive. Then there is Lightworks and Cinelerra which are on the advanced side. They have a bit of more tricky licensing, but I haven't studied them in detail. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Washington Indacochea Delgado -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Mon, May 11, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... Wouldn't it be a lot easier for everyone, if blender became the bundled video sequence editor? And all those other options remained option? Personally, I like openshot as I only do very simple video editing, and it really allows for that. So, I wouldn't want to replace that, while I'm sure it's not enough for any serious video editing. I don't really have an opinion of which should be the default pro video editor, since I have no experience in that. A good way to help users find the VSE in blender, could be to either set the shortcut to open blender in VSE mode, which i'm not sure is possible. But perhaps there is a possibility to start blender with a customized start-up file? If there is a command line option for that, why not? And, perhaps that is something worth adding in packaging too, if it is something that people like to do a lot. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
