Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Set,

On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 08:41 +, Set Sakrecoer wrote:
> Yes, indeed, maybe that would be the last source of the old ones. :)
> It would could constantly ce back when we had design
> contests/proposition being submitted and I have never been too sure
> we're they came from.
> 
> The corrected ones are in the "current-standard" branch in
> ~ubuntustudio-art on launchpad.
> 
> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files
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> 

I totally just got done converting all of the -artwork repos to git,
mostly for futureproofing's sake.

For my next trick, I'll upgrade the COF's on the wiki I previously
linked to the new ones that you had linked (now in a git repo).

Not sure we'll do a wallpaper contest this time around, since I just
got done moving the pre-18.10 wallpapers to -legacy and -xenial (the
ubuntustudio-wallpapers .deb file was getting rather large!). Seems
like something that would be good to do again for 19.10.

I think we're getting into a decent rhythm of development as Len and I
have been working on making -installer the gateway to the Ubuntu Studio
Bolt-On. Ubuntu Studio as a Toolkit (USaaT), as it were.

Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Thomas Pfundt]

Hi Set,


On Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:41 AM, Set Sakrecoer  
wrote:
> The corrected ones are in the "current-standard" branch
> in ~ubuntustudio-art on launchpad.
>
> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files


Thank you, I'll make sure to use those assets for everything.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Set Sakrecoer]

On January 3, 2019 3:52:50 AM UTC, Erich Eickmeyer  
wrote:
>
>On 1/2/2019 5:21 PM, Set Sakrecoer wrote:
>> Maybe you have reverted to the old logo and I've just missed out, but
>> on this wiki page there only seem to be the "corrrupt" version of the
>> Ubuntu studio CoF FTR, The graphic lead from Xubuntu (the Nick is
>> escaping my memory right now, sorry) corrected the distorted path
>seen
>> in those available on the wiki page linked above during 16.04 cycle.
>> It's been really difficult to remove the broken logo, so i'm not
>> blaming anyone. I'll show you the latest versions first thing in the
>> morning tomorrow. 
>Thanks, Set! I'll await the correct version.
>I didn't put that CoF on the Wiki, so chances are it's something left
>over from Kaj's time (for all I know). That said, if you have a better
>version (preferably in .svg) then we need to attach it to that page.
>I'd
>be more than happy to do that once I have the correct version. :)
>Erich

Yes, indeed, maybe that would be the last source of the old ones. :) It would 
could constantly ce back when we had design contests/proposition being 
submitted and I have never been too sure we're they came from.

The corrected ones are in the "current-standard" branch in ~ubuntustudio-art on 
launchpad.

https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On 1/2/2019 5:21 PM, Set Sakrecoer wrote:
> Maybe you have reverted to the old logo and I've just missed out, but
> on this wiki page there only seem to be the "corrrupt" version of the
> Ubuntu studio CoF FTR, The graphic lead from Xubuntu (the Nick is
> escaping my memory right now, sorry) corrected the distorted path seen
> in those available on the wiki page linked above during 16.04 cycle.
> It's been really difficult to remove the broken logo, so i'm not
> blaming anyone. I'll show you the latest versions first thing in the
> morning tomorrow. 
Thanks, Set! I'll await the correct version.
I didn't put that CoF on the Wiki, so chances are it's something left
over from Kaj's time (for all I know). That said, if you have a better
version (preferably in .svg) then we need to attach it to that page. I'd
be more than happy to do that once I have the correct version. :)
Erich



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Set Sakrecoer]

Good to read some activity :)

> and updating the logo to be matching the official logo at
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase#Ubuntu_Studio_Official_Logo.
>The wordmark is correct, but that spinning logo (while a cool idea) is
>off-axis terribly. But, as far as I'm concerned, go nuts. It needs a
>refresh like a monkey needs a banana.
>
>Thanks!
>Erich


Maybe you have reverted to the old logo and I've just missed out, but on this 
wiki page there only seem to be the "corrrupt" version of the Ubuntu studio CoF

FTR, The graphic lead from Xubuntu (the Nick is escaping my memory right now, 
sorry) corrected the distorted path seen in those available on the wiki page 
linked above during 16.04 cycle.

It's been really difficult to remove the broken logo, so i'm not blaming 
anyone. I'll show you the latest versions first thing in the morning tomorrow.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Thomas,

On 1/2/2019 9:53 AM, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
> Hi Erich and everyone else reading,
>  
> a happy and successful new year to all of you, too!
>  
>  
> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 7:39 PM, Erich Eickmeyer
> er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote:
>
> I hope everyone is having a happy new year. I haven't been checking-in
> lately due to a number of things going on in my life. First, it
> was work
> getting busy, then it was a bit of depression onset by my
> resigning said
> position (they pretty much promised me that I wouldn't ever have room
> for advancement or promotion, or even being full-time).
>
>  
> I have also had experiences working in such positions and, without
> knowing your exact life situation, I would like offer a few words of
> encouragement by saying that although it may be difficult, it's not a
> bad choice to end such a condition in which you feel unable to move
> forward and I wish you the best of luck to find a better occupation soon!
>  
>  
Thanks for the encouraging words!

> Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>
> I, for one, have started-in on ubuntustudio-installer.
> I have moved it from bzr to git, and I'm going to be working on
> adding a
> few entries that will enable it to be used on other flavors for
> installation of Ubuntu Studio-specific items, namely the
> swappiness and
> lowlatency kernel default selection in GRUB.
>
>  
> Is there a comprehensive list of these changes somewhere? I'm only
> aware of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation,
> but that doesn't include much information on the system configuration
> to for example comply with Linuxaudio.org's recommended
> scanner-script: https://github.com/raboof/realtimeconfigquickscan.
>  
> I also remember reading about tweaks regarding the hardware timers on
> https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#timersthat
> weren't set on my Ubuntu Studio system and I believe, without being
> able to specify anything right now, that there were some other
> configuration options from there on that I adopted. I personally can't
> assess how important those changes are, but I remember reading
> something about the lowlatency kernel not being necessary anymore, as
> all patches had been included in generic at this point. While I don't
> know the details of that and would probably stay with it for safety,
> maybe some parts of the configuration could be in need of a review? I
> might be completely wrong, but that's just something I've been asking
> myself for a while.
>  
Everything that Ubuntu Studio changes to the default install can be
found at https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/,
which is the ubuntustudio-default-settings package. Basically, it adds
files to /etc, /usr, and /lib, and you can browse those from that link.
That "Ubuntu Studio Preparation article is severely outdated as much, if
not all, of the configuration is done with ubuntustudio-default-settings
and ubuntustudio-controls. Len could chime-in for more details.
> Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>
> The other thing, which I believe Thomas was working on, was
> changing our
> Plymouth boot theme. I'll admit, Plymouth quite over my head. Thomas,
> have you made any progress on this?
>
>  
> I've had to consult with a friend of mine who's working as a
> programmer to get a basic understanding of how the themes work. I
> haven't touched it over the holidays, but I'll try to get something
> viewable together as soon as possible.
>  
> By the way, if anybody has got specific ideas regarding the looks of
> it already, please feel free to share them with me. Now I guess would
> be the time to discuss any ideas.
My only ideas involve removing the tagline (we don't need it, and we're
the only flavor still referencing the old "Linux for Human Beings"
slogan), and updating the logo to be matching the official logo at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase#Ubuntu_Studio_Official_Logo.
The wordmark is correct, but that spinning logo (while a cool idea) is
off-axis terribly. But, as far as I'm concerned, go nuts. It needs a
refresh like a monkey needs a banana.

Thanks!
Erich



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Thomas Pfundt]

Hi Erich and everyone else reading,

a happy and successful new year to all of you, too!

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 7:39 PM, Erich Eickmeyer er...@ericheickmeyer.com 
wrote:

> I hope everyone is having a happy new year. I haven't been checking-in
> lately due to a number of things going on in my life. First, it was work
> getting busy, then it was a bit of depression onset by my resigning said
> position (they pretty much promised me that I wouldn't ever have room
> for advancement or promotion, or even being full-time).

I have also had experiences working in such positions and, without knowing your 
exact life situation, I would like offer a few words of encouragement by saying 
that although it may be difficult, it's not a bad choice to end such a 
condition in which you feel unable to move forward and I wish you the best of 
luck to find a better occupation soon!

Erich Eickmeyer wrote:

> I, for one, have started-in on ubuntustudio-installer.
> I have moved it from bzr to git, and I'm going to be working on adding a
> few entries that will enable it to be used on other flavors for
> installation of Ubuntu Studio-specific items, namely the swappiness and
> lowlatency kernel default selection in GRUB.

Is there a comprehensive list of these changes somewhere? I'm only aware of 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation, but that doesn't 
include much information on the system configuration to for example comply with 
Linuxaudio.org's recommended scanner-script: 
https://github.com/raboof/realtimeconfigquickscan.

I also remember reading about tweaks regarding the hardware timers on 
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#timers that weren't set 
on my Ubuntu Studio system and I believe, without being able to specify 
anything right now, that there were some other configuration options from there 
on that I adopted. I personally can't assess how important those changes are, 
but I remember reading something about the lowlatency kernel not being 
necessary anymore, as all patches had been included in generic at this point. 
While I don't know the details of that and would probably stay with it for 
safety, maybe some parts of the configuration could be in need of a review? I 
might be completely wrong, but that's just something I've been asking myself 
for a while.

Erich Eickmeyer wrote:

> The other thing, which I believe Thomas was working on, was changing our
> Plymouth boot theme. I'll admit, Plymouth quite over my head. Thomas,
> have you made any progress on this?

I've had to consult with a friend of mine who's working as a programmer to get 
a basic understanding of how the themes work. I haven't touched it over the 
holidays, but I'll try to get something viewable together as soon as possible.

By the way, if anybody has got specific ideas regarding the looks of it 
already, please feel free to share them with me. Now I guess would be the time 
to discuss any ideas.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Checking in, a little vision, Calf & LMMS

[Ross Gammon]

Hi Erich,

On 1/1/19 7:39 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I hope everyone is having a happy new year. I haven't been checking-in
> lately due to a number of things going on in my life. First, it was work
> getting busy, then it was a bit of depression onset by my resigning said
> position (they pretty much promised me that I wouldn't ever have room
> for advancement or promotion, or even being full-time).

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope the new year brings a better
work situation for you.


> 
> With that, I thought I'd check-in to see where everyone is with their
> current projects. I, for one, have started-in on ubuntustudio-installer.
> I have moved it from bzr to git, and I'm going to be working on adding a
> few entries that will enable it to be used on other flavors for
> installation of Ubuntu Studio-specific items, namely the swappiness and
> lowlatency kernel default selection in GRUB. I already split-out the
> parts of ubuntustudio-default-settings to become their own sub-packages,
> so it should be relatively trivial. This should complete the goal of
> allowing other flavors to install the benefits of Ubuntu Studio while
> still keeping their chosen Desktop Environment.

I you need a review of any of these packages before chasing a sponsor,
let me know. If we can minimise the work the sponsors have to do, they
are more likely to look at your packages than somebody else's!

> 
> == Vision for a Beautiful Experience ==
> 
> As many of you know, I also forked Ubuntu MATE's GRUB theme to our own.
> I contacted Simon Quigley to get it into Universe (would be my first
> full package! \o/), so hopefully that will happen. He's got his hands
> full with Lubuntu, so we'll see.

Congrats. It would be great to have an extra hand doing this packaging
stuff :-)

> 
> My thought behind theming GRUB is this: Ubuntu Studio is intended for
> artists of all kinds, and as such should provide a beautiful experience.
> I will concede that the notion of beauty is subjective. For this reason,
> I'm going to also look into the LightDM theme and see if there's
> anything we can learn from other flavors. Right now, Ubuntu MATE
> provides a nice LightDM theme, which I will explore forking into our own.
> 
> The other thing, which I believe Thomas was working on, was changing our
> Plymouth boot theme. I'll admit, Plymouth quite over my head. Thomas,
> have you made any progress on this?
> 
> == Calf & LMMS ==
> 
> Specifically, this goes out to Ross (with a little slice of Len on the
> side): We obviously had to remove LMMS for its dependency on
> calf-ladspa. That said, I have found out that calf-ladspa is a
> subpackage of LMMS and should never have been split-out in upstream
> Debian, that the calf-ladspa plugins are included with LMMS but were
> never intended to 1) be split-out, and 2) be enacted as a dependency.
> This seems like something that could be trivial to fix in the
> debian/control file for the lmms package. I'm wondering, Ross, if you
> could look into this? Here's a link to a thread for more context:
> https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/calf/issues/134

I looked at this a while back. Unfortunately, lmms is not maintained in
the Debian Multimedia Team, so getting it updated is not as easy. but I
will give it ago.

> 
> 
> Well, that's what I've got this time. Would love to hear back from everyone!
> 
> Erich
> 
> 

I have not given up on applying for some upload rights in Ubuntu (again)
sometime this year, so I have been doing a few merges from Debian to
keep the statistics up (they needed to see more sustained activity from
me last time).

Recent sponsored uploads:
1. Qjackctl
2. Blends (needed for debian-multimedia)

Waiting sponsorship:
1. debian-multmedia (multimedia-puredata is used in our audio seed to
pick up all the latest puredata stuff).
I will ping a sponsor soon, now that the holiday season is over.

If you notice any other packages out of date compared to Debian (or
upstream), then let me know.

Cheers,

Ross



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