Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
On Sat, June 15, 2013 10:22 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > The incompatable packages issue is getting so bad that Mint is > apparently about to fork all of the GNOME core, all the way down > to GTK3, for Cinnamon 2.0 (THIS cycle!), while installing GTK3 for > applications to use. GTK3 is changing so much anything else leaves > them roped to a now unpredictable upstream in Saucy and with the > upcomig Mir situation. I wonder if this has anything to do with the "hey why don't we do rolling releases" thing :P > > What are you using for graphics on your test system? Gnome-shell > and Cinnamon (which is a fork of gnome-shell )both require OpenGL2.0 to > run, meaning in ATI/AMD video at least R200 or later GPU. I don't know > the point where Intel and Nvidia got OpenGL2.0. If you don't have them, > you are stuck in fallback mode, meant only for testing and repairing a > system. You can still sample what Cinnamon will look like, but expect > a lot of CPU utilization and slow response via LLVMpipe. Ya, that is my problem. My nvidia card is 10 years old. SW render is slow, but at least I can see what the menu looks like. I am personally thinking of going KDE for now as everything just works. But I have an xfce, KDE, lxde and mint partition (and a few ubuntustudio) for testing anyway. When I have a newer computer to work with I will do the gnome shell, unity and mint (cinnamon/mate) stuff there. Right now Mate is a no show. menu wise. It doesn't do xdg menus (properly) Though there may be an addon that does. > On systems where Mint with Cinnamon works right simply pulling in > ubuntustudio workflow metas should work, since Mint is based on > Ubuntu and presumably uses the same PA setup. I would like to make a ubuntustudio meta install app. A user would download that and it would have a menu kind of like our old alt ISOs used to that would allow the user to customize their studio install. This would include the ability to change system settings that might help audio, etc. It would also allow some logo changes, though I would like to leave some of the original installed logos there because really, it is still that distro. But we could include backgrounds. It would be nice if we had some backgrounds that combined elements of both the donor distro and US. > The US-Desktop meta > would not be so easy, as the themes would first have to be manually > selected from within Cinnamon to show up and then would not work, as > per my tests. The Xubuntu US session would be installed and work as > intended almost for sure (EXCEPT for the "distributor-logo") which Mint > overwrites. I will test this on the road sometime. You can fix the > Ubuntustudio button by purging "ubuntu-system-adjustments," the > Mint package that overwrites it. Themes are less important to me... except that the current fashion in themes seems to have the windows with focus look the same as one without. IMO the focused window should be obvious... a title bar colour change at least. This doesn't matter in a consumer distro (or phone/tablet) where mostly only one window at a time is visible. In a production machine where many windows might be on the screen at one time, it matters for productivity. I actually still like the late 90s fvwm style (motif style really). It may be somewhat ugly, but very easy to work with. FVWM is in our repo, so I may try that too :) If I do, it will be starting from the mini.iso install. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
The incompatable packages issue is getting so bad that Mint is apparently about to fork all of the GNOME core, all the way down to GTK3, for Cinnamon 2.0 (THIS cycle!), while installing GTK3 for applications to use. GTK3 is changing so much anything else leaves them roped to a now unpredictable upstream in Saucy and with the upcomig Mir situation. What are you using for graphics on your test system? Gnome-shell and Cinnamon (which is a fork of gnome-shell )both require OpenGL2.0 to run, meaning in ATI/AMD video at least R200 or later GPU. I don't know the point where Intel and Nvidia got OpenGL2.0. If you don't have them, you are stuck in fallback mode, meant only for testing and repairing a system. You can still sample what Cinnamon will look like, but expect a lot of CPU utilization and slow response via LLVMpipe. On systems where Mint with Cinnamon works right simply pulling in ubuntustudio workflow metas should work, since Mint is based on Ubuntu and presumably uses the same PA setup. The US-Desktop meta would not be so easy, as the themes would first have to be manually selected from within Cinnamon to show up and then would not work, as per my tests. The Xubuntu US session would be installed and work as intended almost for sure (EXCEPT for the "distributor-logo") which Mint overwrites. I will test this on the road sometime. You can fix the Ubuntustudio button by purging "ubuntu-system-adjustments," the Mint package that overwrites it. On 06/15/2013 at 1:30 AM, "Len Ovens" wrote: > >On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:45 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >> Some development work is not possible right now on Saucy. >Cinnamon (which >> I work with) is not in repo, GTK3 just got updates that remove >many >> DE's, even Kdenlive is not in repo right now. My main systems >are Saucy >> with a lot of pinned packages, GTK3 among them, and my >development >> partition >> for a Cinnamon meta is based on a Raring image avaialble at the >time. >> >> This might get worse as Mir development picks up in the future, >and >> remember that package-pinning would on a fresh install have to >be all the >> way >> back to the previous version of Ubuntu and not the lasst good >intermediate >> version. I really hope this situation gets resolved, as right >now I'm >> seeing >> package after package being removed from repo and even more that >Synaptic >> would remove on an unrestricted update for reasons of >compatability. > >A little bit hard on "the community". > >I installed linuxmint to try things out on cinnamon. Cinnamon >crashes with >my system and goes into fallback mode. Or I can start cinnamon in a >software rendering mode (very slow). Mint also has the "Mate" DE >available >so I installed that as well. The mate menu is sick... err or >something. It >doesn't seem to be following any of the XDG menu files I have tried >playing with at all. The slow cinnamon seems to have the same menu >as >gnomeshell with the extension. Maybe there is a better menu >extension out >there that does better. Fallback mode works very well with a fixed >config >menu. I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the >latest >one which of coarse has no fallback mode... as I found with ubuntu >gnome. > > >-- >Len Ovens >www.OvenWerks.net > > >-- >Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:45 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > Some development work is not possible right now on Saucy. Cinnamon (which > I work with) is not in repo, GTK3 just got updates that remove many > DE's, even Kdenlive is not in repo right now. My main systems are Saucy > with a lot of pinned packages, GTK3 among them, and my development > partition > for a Cinnamon meta is based on a Raring image avaialble at the time. > > This might get worse as Mir development picks up in the future, and > remember that package-pinning would on a fresh install have to be all the > way > back to the previous version of Ubuntu and not the lasst good intermediate > version. I really hope this situation gets resolved, as right now I'm > seeing > package after package being removed from repo and even more that Synaptic > would remove on an unrestricted update for reasons of compatability. A little bit hard on "the community". I installed linuxmint to try things out on cinnamon. Cinnamon crashes with my system and goes into fallback mode. Or I can start cinnamon in a software rendering mode (very slow). Mint also has the "Mate" DE available so I installed that as well. The mate menu is sick... err or something. It doesn't seem to be following any of the XDG menu files I have tried playing with at all. The slow cinnamon seems to have the same menu as gnomeshell with the extension. Maybe there is a better menu extension out there that does better. Fallback mode works very well with a fixed config menu. I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the latest one which of coarse has no fallback mode... as I found with ubuntu gnome. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
