Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 02:29 -0500, Brian David wrote: > > We are having a simple communication error. I was saying that GIMP is > noticeably slower with Compiz enabled, not disabled. In other words, > we are agreeing. > > > -- > -Brian David Yeah sorry, I was getting confused. lol -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web www: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au ABN: 98 317 740 240 -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 21:50 -0500, Brian David wrote: > > > I believe that Unity does not currently use Compiz, although it will > > by the time of Natty's release. In order to use Unity on a desktop > > right now, you'll want to make sure Compiz is turned off (at least, > > such is the case with my computer). I always have Compiz turned off, > > anyway, because it introduces noticeably slower performance with > > certain applications (GIMP in particular). > > -- > > -Brian David > > > I do not use Compiz at current. And at the time of testing Unity, it > still did not work with Compiz disabled. > > > I have no dramas with performance in The Gimp with Compiz disabled. Why > do you suggest there is a performance hit with it disabled? > > Regards > > > -- > > Chris Jones > > > We are having a simple communication error. I was saying that GIMP is noticeably slower with Compiz enabled, not disabled. In other words, we are agreeing. -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 21:50 -0500, Brian David wrote: > I believe that Unity does not currently use Compiz, although it will > by the time of Natty's release. In order to use Unity on a desktop > right now, you'll want to make sure Compiz is turned off (at least, > such is the case with my computer). I always have Compiz turned off, > anyway, because it introduces noticeably slower performance with > certain applications (GIMP in particular). > -- > -Brian David I do not use Compiz at current. And at the time of testing Unity, it still did not work with Compiz disabled. I have no dramas with performance in The Gimp with Compiz disabled. Why do you suggest there is a performance hit with it disabled? Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web www: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au ABN: 98 317 740 240 -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
Hey Eric, happy to see you again :D yeah, you are right, XFCE isnt so lightweight anymore. It looks like gnome 2.x will be supported for Natty, because there is a need for a fallback if the driver doesnt work or the computer doesn support it, so it seems we have no big problem continuing with gnome panels. and also this is not so important for us anyway, we are very different from ubuntu default desktop so 2010/10/29 Brian David > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > >> On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 09:17 +0200, Antoine Thomas wrote:> >> >> I am not so sure about that. >> >> I have tested Unity in its current form on my onboard Intel i865 video >> chipset which can run Compiz just fine. Yet Unity simply does not work, >> on the same hardware. >> Although this may change as development comes along. >> >> Regards >> >> >> -- >> >> Chris Jones >> > > I believe that Unity does not currently use Compiz, although it will by the > time of Natty's release. In order to use Unity on a desktop right now, > you'll want to make sure Compiz is turned off (at least, such is the case > with my computer). I always have Compiz turned off, anyway, because it > introduces noticeably slower performance with certain applications (GIMP in > particular). > -- > -Brian David > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 09:17 +0200, Antoine Thomas wrote:> > > I am not so sure about that. > > I have tested Unity in its current form on my onboard Intel i865 video > chipset which can run Compiz just fine. Yet Unity simply does not work, > on the same hardware. > Although this may change as development comes along. > > Regards > > > -- > > Chris Jones > I believe that Unity does not currently use Compiz, although it will by the time of Natty's release. In order to use Unity on a desktop right now, you'll want to make sure Compiz is turned off (at least, such is the case with my computer). I always have Compiz turned off, anyway, because it introduces noticeably slower performance with certain applications (GIMP in particular). -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
I just wanted to weigh in here and say that I would NOT like to see Ubuntu Studio turn into Xubuntu Studio. From my experience, XFCE is not all that lightweight, and it does not behave the way my mind expects a WM to behave. Between Unity and Gnome Panels, I'd stick with Gnome Panels right now. Unity is convenient with netbooks and touchscreens, but neither of these use cases are what the average Ubuntu Studio user would likely need. Is it possible to consider Gnome Shell in this discussion? Could it be a viable user friendly solution? I personally have started using it on my netbook and prefer it to Unity or Gnome Panels. - Eric Hedekar -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
The only problems coming is that we only will now the real performace of unity very near to the release date, and that is bad for US. If we already have problems with 3d and RT kernels, imagine how much more people will have problems with a 3d desktop wihout a fully supported driver for its kernel. more over pushing the user to the usage of propietary drivers etc... I would stick for Gnome 2.x if it is available (and I believe it will be, since ubuntu needs a fallback for non 3D ready computers),or then switch to XFCE. I am of the opinion that if we have to change from desktop enviroment, then it should be a lightweight one. LXDE its also a possibility. Of course all of this needs testing. Maybe we could try to install stuff from the base up trying XFCE to see how it works. bye 2010/10/28 Luke Yelavich > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 06:02:01AM EDT, mark wrote: > > If we're no longer tied to gnome, that's excellent news. We can finally > > say goodbye to pulseaudio. > > To be clear, switching to unity for Ubuntu does not in any way mean a move > away from GNOME completely. Unity is an alternative shell. The underlying > desktop components will still be GNOME. > > As I said, its up to the Studio developers as to what they choose to do, > whether they move to using a different desktop, stick with traditional GNOME > with panels etc, or unity. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 06:02:01AM EDT, mark wrote: > If we're no longer tied to gnome, that's excellent news. We can finally > say goodbye to pulseaudio. To be clear, switching to unity for Ubuntu does not in any way mean a move away from GNOME completely. Unity is an alternative shell. The underlying desktop components will still be GNOME. As I said, its up to the Studio developers as to what they choose to do, whether they move to using a different desktop, stick with traditional GNOME with panels etc, or unity. Luke -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
2010/10/28 mark > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:12 -0500, Brian David wrote: > > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: > > > > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss > > > > Thoughts? > > If we're no longer tied to gnome, that's excellent news. We can finally > say goodbye to pulseaudio. > > It means saying googbye to Totem, etc... but maybe it would be possible to solve that by packaging the gstreamer-jack plugin. > As this opens up an opportunity for a new choice of desktop environment, > how about choosing something more suitable for our intended use cases, > e.g. Xfce? It's been a great success in PureDyne, for example, which > I've used successfully on far more systems than UbubtuStudio. > > Perhaps the good solution is now to use Xubuntu as a base for Ubuntu Studio ? On the french portal http://linuxmao.org , they use Xubuntu as a base, and some common documentations on how to setup Vanilla Ubuntu for multimedia production, merged in a howto "setup Xubuntu for multimedia production". I have well contributed to that howto. And most users feedback is good, they are happy with it, allowing them to produce their stuff on old or light laptop/dektop/workstation. Toine > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:12 -0500, Brian David wrote: > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss > > Thoughts? If we're no longer tied to gnome, that's excellent news. We can finally say goodbye to pulseaudio. As this opens up an opportunity for a new choice of desktop environment, how about choosing something more suitable for our intended use cases, e.g. Xfce? It's been a great success in PureDyne, for example, which I've used successfully on far more systems than UbubtuStudio. Mark signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 09:17 +0200, Antoine Thomas wrote: > > > 2010/10/28 Brian David > > > I am concerned about the 3d graphics requirement. I know a > lot of people use Ubuntu (and Linux in general) to run older > machines, so that could be an issue. > > Do you really think that Unity may need more graphic power than > current desktop effects using Compiz Fusion ? I think that it will be > lighter than a standard Gnome. > > > Toine > I am not so sure about that. I have tested Unity in its current form on my onboard Intel i865 video chipset which can run Compiz just fine. Yet Unity simply does not work, on the same hardware. Although this may change as development comes along. Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web www: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au ABN: 98 317 740 240 -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
2010/10/28 Brian David > > > Spent some time messing around with Unity today and. . .I kind of like it, > to be honest. Give it a few more months of tweaking and I'd be completely > okay with using it. > > I agree, we need to let more time to developers and see Unity with more features. Think too that Mac Os X Lion is dropping a lot of stuff to get closer to iPad iOS4 too. Will users be disappointed so much ? I don't think, they only need something simple to use and that works a stable way. > I am concerned about the 3d graphics requirement. I know a lot of people > use Ubuntu (and Linux in general) to run older machines, so that could be an > issue. > > That is more a problem for older laptops, but think that Unity is first designed for small netbooks and tablets with poor performances. In any desktop or workstation, any 20 to 30 €/$ graphic card is a good solution, it is not too expensive. Do you really think that Unity may need more graphic power than current desktop effects using Compiz Fusion ? I think that it will be lighter than a standard Gnome. Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:12 -0500, Brian David wrote: > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss > > Thoughts? > > -- > -Brian David When I was the Co-Maintainer for the Fedora Design Suite Spin, we recently had a related discussion on the move to Gnome-Shell when it was available. And seeing as the main Red Hat/Fedora distro was moving to G3, we were considering whether to also move to G3 or stick with a stable version of Gnome 2.x. After weighing up the pros/cons, we decided that it would be too much effort and manual labor to stick with an interface that was different from that of our mainstream 'mother' distro. I assume the same outcome will come out of this announcement for Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio. -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web www: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au ABN: 98 317 740 240 -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Antoine Thomas wrote: > > Imho, we should first test if Unity desktop has a good or bad influence on > stability and performances. Once tested, it will be time to say if it is > good to keep Gnome and wait for Gnome 3.0, or follow on Unity. > > Think that if we choose to continue to use Gnome desktop, we will have to > maintain more stuff by ourselves, this is a lot of work, or perhaps there > will be a new Gubuntu flavor (like Kubuntu) on which we might count. But it > means a lot of work and skills we don't have. Maybe it's better to focus on > applications packaging, performance optimization, etc... than on which > desktop should the default one. > > If Unity works well, why should we bored ?? > > Toine > > Spent some time messing around with Unity today and. . .I kind of like it, to be honest. Give it a few more months of tweaking and I'd be completely okay with using it. I am concerned about the 3d graphics requirement. I know a lot of people use Ubuntu (and Linux in general) to run older machines, so that could be an issue. -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
curious, what's gnome 3.0 supposed to be like? On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Antoine Thomas wrote: > > > 2010/10/27 Luke Yelavich > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:12:54PM EDT, Brian David wrote: >> > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: >> > >> > >> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss >> > >> > Thoughts? >> >> To be clear, Studio does not have to follow this path. Being a derivitive, >> studio can decide what it wants to do, whether it uses unity, gnome-shell, >> or stick with the usual GNOME panel interface. Of course its up to the >> project developers to decide, but just because Ubuntu is changing, doesn't >> mean UbuntuStudio has to. >> >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >> > > Imho, we should first test if Unity desktop has a good or bad influence on > stability and performances. Once tested, it will be time to say if it is > good to keep Gnome and wait for Gnome 3.0, or follow on Unity. > > Think that if we choose to continue to use Gnome desktop, we will have to > maintain more stuff by ourselves, this is a lot of work, or perhaps there > will be a new Gubuntu flavor (like Kubuntu) on which we might count. But it > means a lot of work and skills we don't have. Maybe it's better to focus on > applications packaging, performance optimization, etc... than on which > desktop should the default one. > > If Unity works well, why should we bored ?? > > Toine > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
2010/10/27 Luke Yelavich > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:12:54PM EDT, Brian David wrote: > > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: > > > > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss > > > > Thoughts? > > To be clear, Studio does not have to follow this path. Being a derivitive, > studio can decide what it wants to do, whether it uses unity, gnome-shell, > or stick with the usual GNOME panel interface. Of course its up to the > project developers to decide, but just because Ubuntu is changing, doesn't > mean UbuntuStudio has to. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > Imho, we should first test if Unity desktop has a good or bad influence on stability and performances. Once tested, it will be time to say if it is good to keep Gnome and wait for Gnome 3.0, or follow on Unity. Think that if we choose to continue to use Gnome desktop, we will have to maintain more stuff by ourselves, this is a lot of work, or perhaps there will be a new Gubuntu flavor (like Kubuntu) on which we might count. But it means a lot of work and skills we don't have. Maybe it's better to focus on applications packaging, performance optimization, etc... than on which desktop should the default one. If Unity works well, why should we bored ?? Toine -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu switching to Unity Desktop
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:12:54PM EDT, Brian David wrote: > Holstein just posted this on IRC. It's worth re-posting to the list: > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss > > Thoughts? To be clear, Studio does not have to follow this path. Being a derivitive, studio can decide what it wants to do, whether it uses unity, gnome-shell, or stick with the usual GNOME panel interface. Of course its up to the project developers to decide, but just because Ubuntu is changing, doesn't mean UbuntuStudio has to. Luke -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
