Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio 
production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to get Jack 
happening therefore have not started any type of production because i have no 
sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't send me a link as I have 
read all the help pages. I don't understand them. I have been battling for 
months and have a background in audio using a studio(Mac and protools). I have 
also used a lot of programs in windows for years like acid pro, free pro tools, 
Ejay(Hip Hop), Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that there are a lot of apps 
in this distro that have the name Jack so I have no idea which is which.
Carla

   
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread hollunder
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:11:08 +1000 (EST)
Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio
 production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to
 get Jack happening therefore have not started any type of production
 because i have no sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't
 send me a link as I have read all the help pages. I don't understand
 them. I have been battling for months and have a background in audio
 using a studio(Mac and protools). I have also used a lot of programs
 in windows for years like acid pro, free pro tools, Ejay(Hip Hop),
 Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that there are a lot of apps in
 this distro that have the name Jack so I have no idea which is which.
 Carla

And a link :P
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/JackQuickStart
I started to write that tutorial for people who are new and try to get
jack up and running. However, it is still far from finished.

You could try to follow it, and write a mail when you are stuck
somewhere. Please provide further information, like: What is your audio
interface? Did you install Ubuntu Studio from DVD? What did you do so
far?

Also, you could try to get almost-realtime answers (if you are lucky..)
on IRC. Channel #ubuntustudio on freenode.

Best Regards
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
OK I have 8.04 Ubuntu studio. I have soundonboard which is AC '97 and a Intel 
1.8gig cpu, 512mhz rambus. Um how much more details? I can get a full report as 
I have a program on the windows drive that does that. I will be getting a 
proper soundcard at some point. I want to be able to make music with linux but 
I don't know what all these programs do yet. I used to use loops a lot but want 
to get more into making my own beats. I will use whatever program to record 
vocals and use effects on them. I make Hip Hop basically.
Carla

antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi!

You have to give some details on the distribution you work with, your soundcard 
and your hardware, and what do u want exactly???

2008/6/8 Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio 
production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to get Jack 
happening therefore have not started any type of production because i have no 
sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't send me a link as I have 
read all the help pages. I don't understand them. I have been battling for 
months and have a background in audio using a studio(Mac and protools). I have 
also used a lot of programs in windows for years like acid pro, free pro tools, 
Ejay(Hip Hop), Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that there are a lot of apps 
in this distro that have the name Jack so I have no idea which is which.
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread antoine clémot
To make easily drums you can use hydrogen. You can use the soundbanks and
add some files in .wav or .flac (samples, anything you want but it reads it
entirely, that is until the end of your audio file).
Zynaddsubfx (a modular synthesizer) has some interesting soundbanks, and you
can change the sound like you want! Use the virtual keyboard (button VKB) to
play the sounds with your keyboard.
To do multiple tracks use ardour or audacity (the last is less convinient
'cose you don't have a mixer to manage your different tracks, but maybe
easier to use at the beginnig ;).
With Jackrack you can play FX on your voice or whatever you want in realtime
(the latency depending on your system and soundcard).
Qjackctl is a soundserver allowing you to connect the inputs/outputs of your
soundcard (as well as the ones of your audio softwares) in any ways you want
it to work. It synchronizes all that.
Follow the tutorial to make qjackctl work. I have only one bad new : under
8.04 ubuntu studio Jack is really not stable... I just moved to Studio64
(and it works well) : try both!!!

2008/6/8 Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 OK I have 8.04 Ubuntu studio. I have soundonboard which is AC '97 and a
 Intel 1.8gig cpu, 512mhz rambus. Um how much more details? I can get a full
 report as I have a program on the windows drive that does that. I will be
 getting a proper soundcard at some point. I want to be able to make music
 with linux but I don't know what all these programs do yet. I used to use
 loops a lot but want to get more into making my own beats. I will use
 whatever program to record vocals and use effects on them. I make Hip Hop
 basically.
 Carla


 *antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Hi!

 You have to give some details on the distribution you work with, your
 soundcard and your hardware, and what do u want exactly???

 2008/6/8 Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio
 production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to get
 Jack happening therefore have not started any type of production because i
 have no sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't send me a link
 as I have read all the help pages. I don't understand them. I have been
 battling for months and have a background in audio using a studio(Mac and
 protools). I have also used a lot of programs in windows for years like acid
 pro, free pro tools, Ejay(Hip Hop), Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that
 there are a lot of apps in this distro that have the name Jack so I have no
 idea which is which.
 Carla
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Hi I installed from the dvd and as I am reading the howto, it has the kernel 
that is mentioned. What is an audio interface?
OK I have jack control opened and only got as far as the interface. In the drop 
down box there is default, hw:0, plughw:0 and /dev/dsp .
I have never done the IRC thing. Is it like using an IM? Sorry I have no idea.
Carla

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:11:08 +1000 (EST)
Carla 
 wrote:

 Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio
 production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to
 get Jack happening therefore have not started any type of production
 because i have no sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't
 send me a link as I have read all the help pages. I don't understand
 them. I have been battling for months and have a background in audio
 using a studio(Mac and protools). I have also used a lot of programs
 in windows for years like acid pro, free pro tools, Ejay(Hip Hop),
 Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that there are a lot of apps in
 this distro that have the name Jack so I have no idea which is which.
 Carla

And a link :P
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/JackQuickStart
I started to write that tutorial for people who are new and try to get
jack up and running. However, it is still far from finished.

You could try to follow it, and write a mail when you are stuck
somewhere. Please provide further information, like: What is your audio
interface? Did you install Ubuntu Studio from DVD? What did you do so
far?

Also, you could try to get almost-realtime answers (if you are lucky..)
on IRC. Channel #ubuntustudio on freenode.

Best Regards
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Yeah I was playing a bit with Hydrogen last night and I know I have used 
programs like it in windows way back in the past. Don't remember the names. I 
lost a lot of stuff due to computer problems that went on forever with the OS 
(windows) or whatever infection being at fault probably. Oh and software 
conflicts. Ah so I can add filesm didn't know that ok. Thanks!
So I can use my KB like a piano is that what your saying? Wow sounds good. 
Would like to try that.
Yeah ardour and audacity are what I have been mostly looking at. I dabbled with 
audacity quite a bit. Just some simple editing and converting files like wav to 
mp3. I understand ardour is like protools but because I haven't got sound I 
can't give it a good go yet.
Thanks for the explanation about jackrackthat would be a good edition 
especially if it has a vocador...or however you spell that word. Nice old 
school effect for the voice.
Qjackctl-is that just like Jack?
Gee i can't download any os's as I have a very low internet usage. Damn 
australia...backwards country. I do have dynebolic that someone also downloaded 
for me but gee I have asked too many favours to get what I have. Is it really 
that unstable. E I would have to find new friends to get another os. It is 
just that here in Australia we are all restricted by small usage limits. 
Sending for an OS on dvd is also not an option for me as I am broke(pension) 
and struggling badly.
Carla 
antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make easily drums you can use 
hydrogen. You can use the soundbanks and add some files in .wav or .flac 
(samples, anything you want but it reads it entirely, that is until the end of 
your audio file). 
Zynaddsubfx (a modular synthesizer) has some interesting soundbanks, and you 
can change the sound like you want! Use the virtual keyboard (button VKB) to 
play the sounds with your keyboard.
 To do multiple tracks use ardour or audacity (the last is less convinient 
'cose you don't have a mixer to manage your different tracks, but maybe easier 
to use at the beginnig ;).
With Jackrack you can play FX on your voice or whatever you want in realtime 
(the latency depending on your system and soundcard).
 Qjackctl is a soundserver allowing you to connect the inputs/outputs of your 
soundcard (as well as the ones of your audio softwares) in any ways you want it 
to work. It synchronizes all that.
Follow the tutorial to make qjackctl work. I have only one bad new : under 8.04 
ubuntu studio Jack is really not stable... I just moved to Studio64 (and it 
works well) : try both!!!
 
2008/6/8 Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 OK I have 8.04 Ubuntu studio. I have soundonboard which is AC '97 and a Intel 
1.8gig cpu, 512mhz rambus. Um how much more details? I can get a full report as 
I have a program on the windows drive that does that. I will be getting a 
proper soundcard at some point. I want to be able to make music with linux but 
I don't know what all these programs do yet. I used to use loops a lot but want 
to get more into making my own beats. I will use whatever program to record 
vocals and use effects on them. I make Hip Hop basically.
 Carla


antoine clémot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi!

You have to give some details on the distribution you work with, your soundcard 
and your hardware, and what do u want exactly???

2008/6/8 Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi I have Ubuntustudio installed and previously had some of the audio 
production stuff on Ubuntu 6.10 and Debian. I have never been able to get Jack 
happening therefore have not started any type of production because i have no 
sound. I would appreciate someone that just doesn't send me a link as I have 
read all the help pages. I don't understand them. I have been battling for 
months and have a background in audio using a studio(Mac and protools). I have 
also used a lot of programs in windows for years like acid pro, free pro tools, 
Ejay(Hip Hop), Cool Edit etc. I have also noticed that there are a lot of apps 
in this distro that have the name Jack so I have no idea which is which.
  Carla
   

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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far so good 
with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning.
OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down box. The 
numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70 something percentage and 
drops, rises, drops etc.
Yes I realise I will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get 
one this week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of 
people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one ofcourse 
but maybe it will. Anyway when I am recording I am using a microphone. I don't 
record musical instruments at all. I also don't use a lot of tracks when making 
music after all I am from the old skool of Hip Hop where music is not the 
focus. It s about the lyrics.
C

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:57:35 +1000 (EST)
Carla 
 wrote:

 Hi I installed from the dvd and as I am reading the howto, it has the
 kernel that is mentioned. What is an audio interface? OK I have jack
 control opened and only got as far as the interface. In the drop down
 box there is default, hw:0, plughw:0 and /dev/dsp . I have never done
 the IRC thing. Is it like using an IM? Sorry I have no idea. Carla

Hi Carla,
so far, so good.
There are no pictures in the tutorial yet, so it's not that easy to
follow.
An audio-interface is the same as a soundcard, it's just a different
name. Your 'soundcard', for example, isn't a card, so some people like
to use audio-interface instead.
So you need to choose the interface the jack server should use.
Try to click on the little  besides the interface option, try to
identify your onboard soundcard and select it. If you can't identify
it, try (default).

Then try what the tutorial suggests: tick the realtime checkbox, set
the Frames/Period to 1024 and the Periods/Buffer to 3.

Click the OK-button to close the setup dialogue, press the Start button
and see if the jack-server starts.

If it does, good. If not, there's something wrong.
When it is running, look at the display. If there's a red number that's
increasing, you need to tune your settings, else you'll experience
dropouts.
Be aware that it's rather hard to get good performance out of jack with
onboard audio interfaces.

Regards,
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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread hollunder
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST)
Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far
 so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning.
 OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down
 box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70
 something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. 

Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below 'Started' and no red
numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It
shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%.


Yes I realise I
 will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this
 week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of
 people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one
 ofcourse but maybe it will.

When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to
check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main


 Anyway when I am recording I am using a
 microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't
 use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old
 skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics.
 C

The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really
low latencies and very flexible routing. If you don't have high
requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice.
For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option
(similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in
development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default.
Try and test, find out what works for you. It could be interconnecting
apps using jack or a single app that does it for you, try, try, try,
and ask.

Philipp

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Setting Up Jack, Envy24

2008-06-08 Thread Dave Ricketzz
#1 seems like a no-brainer, but...  My installation changes this setting every 
time I boot.  Since I have a Delta 1010LT, I select ICE1712 (the chipset on the 
Delta).

 I start Jack, then I open the Envy24 control panel for the soundcard, then I 
open Ardour.  The audio in and out of Ardour is adjusted on the Envy 24.  There 
is also a monitor input selector on Envy24.  The cables from the Delta 1010LT 
aren't fully labeled, near as I can tell.

This information is what I have needed at bare minimum to get the editor 
working.  As I can get sound in and out, I'm now at the stage where I'm 
learning to edit on Ardour.

http://www.ubustu.com/globe/2007/05/29/how-to-configure-jack-in-ubuntu-studio/


  


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Re: Setting Up Jack, Envy24

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Well I got a little further with your info ...like that I am getting the 
numbers happening but I keep having to change one of the things as the xrun 
thing is a problem so I am not there yet.
I think I have decided to install ubuntustudio on my other machine that has 
ubuntu 7.10 on it but I don't know how to update from a dvd. The other machine 
has a good soundcard so that would solve a lot.
C

Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #1 seems like a no-brainer, but...  My 
installation changes this setting every time I boot.  Since I have a Delta 
1010LT, I select ICE1712 (the chipset on the Delta).

 I start Jack, then I open the Envy24 control panel for the soundcard, then I 
open Ardour.  The audio in and out of Ardour is adjusted on the Envy 24.  There 
is also a monitor input selector on Envy24.  The cables from the Delta 1010LT 
aren't fully labeled, near as I can tell.

This information is what I have needed at bare minimum to get the editor 
working.  As I can get sound in and out, I'm now at the stage where I'm 
learning to edit on Ardour.

http://www.ubustu.com/globe/2007/05/29/how-to-configure-jack-in-ubuntu-studio/


  


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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Thanks but I have bashed my head too long and it hurts. I really don't 
understand alsa or anything sound wise in linux. I have decided to install 
ubuntustudio on my other machine as it has the better soundcard (well not 
soundonboard) and more ram too. I just don't know how to upgrade from a dvd via 
the respositories.
C

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST)
Carla 
 wrote:

 Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far
 so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning.
 OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down
 box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70
 something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. 

Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below 'Started' and no red
numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It
shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%.


Yes I realise I
 will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this
 week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of
 people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one
 ofcourse but maybe it will.

When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to
check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main


 Anyway when I am recording I am using a
 microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't
 use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old
 skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics.
 C

The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really
low latencies and very flexible routing. If you don't have high
requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice.
For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option
(similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in
development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default.
Try and test, find out what works for you. It could be interconnecting
apps using jack or a single app that does it for you, try, try, try,
and ask.

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Re: Trouble with setting up Jack

2008-06-08 Thread Carla
Hi Andrew
Yep I get sound on startup and using voice like when chatting in skype. 
I don't know re-wire.
I do know what a patchbay is as I used one in a studio I used to use where 
there was a Mac and protools on it but I am afraid I wasn't experienced enough 
sometimes. Like if someone changed things around the day before I went in it 
was hell to remember where everything was supposed to be. I only every used 
protools and I recorded vocals there. I used to walk in with the backing 
track(music) already done at home and load it in via the cd or dvd drive. 
Sometimes from a flash drive. There was also mixind desk there too but I always 
had trouble remembering what went where.
Gee I wish I could get my head around your explanation. I am sorry I don't get 
it.
C

Andrew Oikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carla.  By the looks of it, your sound 
card is compatible.  If you haven't already, you need to understand what Jack 
is for.  If you've used Re-Wire in the Windoze world, it's like that but 
better.  It's used to route (wire) audio inputs and outputs between the music 
programs and the soundcard, so it's actually your patchbay.  It's also used to 
synchronize tempo of the multiple music programs you choose.  
 
For instance I use Ardour to record.  To route inputs from the soundcard, I go 
to Jack, click connect and connect the soundcard inputs on the left panel 
(which might appear as 'capture_1' and 'capture_2' under 'alsa_pcm' or 
'system') to the tracks I created in Ardour on the right that appear under 
'ardour'.  You will probably need to click on the [+] to expand and see the 
individual connections under each program you see in Jack.  You simply connect 
these inputs and outputs by click-dragging between them.  Ardour depends on 
Jack to connect all its tracks to it's master output and bus'es too.  You 
disconnect by clicking on both sides of the connection and clicking disconnect. 
 Don't click Disconnect All unless you really mean to Disconnect All.
 
So to not get confused, the input of the soundcard is actually an output in 
Jack, called Readable Clients which makes more sense said that way.  The 
Writeable Clients such as your soundcard output system or alsa_pcm, is an 
Input in Jack but a physical output respectively.  Look at like the 'inputs' to 
your 'outputs' and the 'outputs' of your 'inputs'.
 
For each Jack-aware music app (eg. Hydrogen), you'll also see them in the Jack 
connections panel.  To understand what Alsa is in the Linux world, Instead of 
getting a driver for windows from that soundcard's website, Alsa is the sound 
driver(s) for all the different sound cards our there, a one-for-all(most 
actually), instead of one-for-one in the shitty windows world.  If you get any 
sound without Jack (ie. the startup sound), your card is working and you really 
don't need to understand more about Alsa.  Hope that helps.
 
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks but I have bashed my head too long and it hurts. I really don't 
understand alsa or anything sound wise in linux. I have decided to install 
ubuntustudio on my other machine as it has the better soundcard (well not 
soundonboard) and more ram too. I just don't know how to upgrade from a dvd via 
the respositories. 
C

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST)


Carla  wrote:

 Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far
 so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning.
  OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down
 box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70
 something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. 

Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below  'Started' and no red
numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It
shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%.


Yes I realise I
 will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this
  week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of
 people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one
 ofcourse but maybe it will.

When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to
 check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main


 Anyway when I am recording I am using a
 microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't
  use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old
 skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics.
 C

The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really
 low latencies and very  flexible routing. If you don't have high
requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice.
For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option
(similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in
 development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default.
Try and test, find out what works for you. It could be interconnecting