Re: Pulse ?
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: alex stone wrote: I can run with Video people possibly benefiting from using Pulse (any more or less than alsa/jack? I write music to image, and jack does fine here), but i'm a bit lost as to how Graphics people might prefer pulse over jack or alsa or oss or anything else. Graphics folks benefit from *not* having to worry about JACK. ;) I don't understand your answer to the pulse latency question. You were quick enough to tell me i'm wrong, but then cited ESD as 'worse' than pulse, without any sort of clue as to actual latency in pulse or not. Seems like a bit of a red herring. As far as latency with Pulse *generally* goes, I've spoken with Lennart himself and it cannot (and maybe will not) go where JACK does. If JACK were in the main repo we could get the Pulse/JACK plugin compiled but that adds latency as well. I'm actually a little confused by the confusion. Starting JACK with JACKcontrol, Pulse should be stopped for as long as JACKcontrol is going. I forget but it *might* even be tied to jackd itself. Luke can chime in here. You're completely off the mark with Ubuntu ppc. It's already done, and works, maintained as a community project. Package selection is large (as large as any other ubuntu from what i can see), and one can install from source without a hassle. I have RG 1.7.3svn running on my G4 a.k.a. UBUNTU HARDY PPC, as well as ardour 2, AND ardour 3. All installed from source without any extra pain or hassle. (Only missing the RT kernel) If we got someone to get together the -RT kernel and testing we would for sure put out a PPC Studio. We've just lacked the man-power. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Cory, I've only got an older G4 laptop, but you can count me in for testing. (Sadly, i can't code) Alex. 32bit Ubuntustudio Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 RT) 64bit Ubuntustudio Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 RT) PPC Kubuntu Hardy 8.0.4 (2.6.24-23 generic) All major audio stuff, including Alsa and Jack2, installed from up to date source. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Linux DAW on powerpc (was pulse?)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Khashayar Naderehvandi khashayar.li...@gmail.com wrote: You're completely off the mark with Ubuntu ppc. It's already done, and works, maintained as a community project. Package selection is large (as large as any other ubuntu from what i can see), and one can install from source without a hassle. I have RG 1.7.3svn running on my G4 a.k.a. UBUNTU HARDY PPC, as well as ardour 2, AND ardour 3. All installed from source without any extra pain or hassle. (Only missing the RT kernel) This sounds interesting. I have an old iBook G4 with 768M of ram, running as a sort of server currently. Would you recommend that machine as a Linux DAW instead? I always thought it would be too slow for that sort of thing. Regards, Khashayar -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Khashayar, I can't actually answer this completely, as we don't have an RT environment with which to make a comparison. But i will say, from my own humble experience, that Linux runs faster on my little laptop, than mac ever did. I'll make a correction here too. I'm using KUBUNTU HARDY, as i don't know if that makes any difference for a Ubuntu vs ? comparison. I also have enough foolhardy bravura/courage/pick one... in me to install and try up to date packages from source/svn/etc... and so far i've either been clever, or extremely lucky. I built a tiny linuxsampler template of modest gig files as a sound engine, that runs ok for playback/recording (the G4 is 867mhz, 512mb ram, titanium version), and rosegarden ticks along without complaint, or stalling. One thing is for sure from my personal experience. The G4 has a new lease of life, and when i'm traveling, it serves well as a modest musical notepad for that moment of sudden inspiration. :) It would be fair to say that with any sizable arrangement, this size laptop might struggle, but that would be true (and indeed was) running mac as well. I've got further with the linux distro install, if that gives you some indication of the worth of such a change. Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
What HW/SW do people have working?
Hi - I'm a Mac user and musician. I'm thinking of switching to Linux with my next laptop, and am wondering what people are using for audio/ MIDI interfaces, and what software - DAW, plugins, softsynths, etc.? It looks like developers are doing lots of exciting things with Linux and music (at CCRMA etc.), but what is the state of things for users who just want to make music and not tinker with code and spend lots of time debugging? Does anyone have a setup that just works? Thanks for the info. ld -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What HW/SW do people have working?
Larry David wrote: Hi - I'm a Mac user and musician. I'm thinking of switching to Linux with my next laptop, and am wondering what people are using for audio/ MIDI interfaces, and what software - DAW, plugins, softsynths, etc.? I have a little Dell XPS 1210 which I recently got working for my modest little music studio. All the details were in this post to the FFADO list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=496C1F6E.9080701%40troutpocket.orgforum_name=ffado-user Here it is in all its posterity: Well, I got it all working. I wanted to share my progress with everyone by editing the wiki but I don't have access to that. Here's what I did (in a nutshell): My Kit: Dell XPS M1210 laptop 1GB RAM Intel T5600 1.8GHz Core2Duo Intel 945GM Video controller Sigmatel 9220 internal audio controller Internal Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller http://tinyurl.com/clr43l EchoAudio Audiofire12 http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire12/index.php Ubuntu Studio 8.10 with RT (realtime) kernel Steps: 1. Install UbuntuStudio 8.10. 2. Install all updates via update manager 3. Install RT kernel ~$ sudo apt-get install linux-rt 4. Install ffado drivers and accompanying libraries In Synaptic Package Manager choose Settings/Repositories. In the Software Sources window choose the Third-Party Software tab. Add the following: deb http://www.ffado.org/apt gutsy contrib Reload your package manager and install the following: ffado-dbus-server ffado-mixer-qt4 ffado-tools jackd-firewire-driver libffado2 libffado2-dev (just in case) 5. Configure grub to boot RT kernel by default ~$ sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst edit the line: default 0 to say default 4 or whatever number (counting from 0) is your rt entry in the file. If you don't do this you have to manually choose it at boot every time. 6. Add yourself to the disk and audio groups. If the audio group doesn't already exist you can create it with the optional first command. ~$ sudo groupadd audio (optional step if audio group doesn't exist) ~$ sudo adduser username disk ~$ sudo adduser username audio 7. Adjust limits.conf to accommodate your RT kernel. ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - rtprio 99 /etc/security/limits.conf' ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - nice -19 /etc/security/limits.conf' ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - memlock unlimited /etc/security/limits.conf' 8. Reboot to your RT kernel! After you system is up and running you'll have to start jackd. I recommend using qjackctl to do this as it has a patchbay manager. Make sure everything is plugged in and running then start qjackctl (found in Sound Video/Audio Production/JACK Control) 9. You must install the raw1394 kernel module. Unfortunately my ability to get this to stick hasn't worked. No problem, just run the following short command after each boot: ~$ sudo modprobe raw1394 10. Here are the changes I made to the default jackd config by clicking Setup: Driver = firewire Realtime (checked) Priority = 70 Frames/Period = 64 Sample Rate = 48000 Periods/Buffer = 3 Port Maximum = 128 Interface = hw:0 Start Delay = 2 11. Click the Patchbay button. Click the New button and let it discover your port configurations itself. Mine showed System with 12 capture ports listed under Output and it showed System with 12 playback ports under Input. Select System in both windows and choose Connect. You may have to click the Activate though I don't really know exactly what that does. Click the start button and pray for no xruns. Following these exact steps I've been able to successfully record in Ardour for 30ish minutes without xruns or program errors. It may go longer but I haven't bothered trying yet. The big hurdle I encountered was outdated information on many websites. First of all, the Ricoh 1394 controller does not work with 8.04.1 RT kernel. It is working wonderfully with my 8.10 RT kernel. I hope someone can update the page at: http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/HostControllers to show that success has been had with the Ricoh R5C832 1394 controller and perhaps reference this guide. Guides from which I shamelessly ripped off information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation http://www.ffado.org/?q=release/apt -Scott -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Pulse ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Hedekar schrieb: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, alex stone compos...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't we make pulse optional in UBStudio? I understand UBS as an audio specific distro that focuses on audio/multimedia production. We use RT, Jack, etc, knowing precisely what UBS is designed for. Alex. Next, I think it's good to point out in this argument, that UBStudio is NOT an audio specific distribution - it's a multimedia specific distribution. Audio users may make up a large portion of the user base, but they're not the only cats in town. Graphics and Video people benefit greatly from Pulse. Everything, I repeat: everything Video/Graphics people can possibly want from a Linux Distro, is in the standard (K)(X)UBUNTU. It would be marketing at best to provide a whatsoever special distro for people, that only want to cut some movies and design graphics. The one and only relevant reason for a special distro like UBS, CCRMA or JAD is in fact the RT-capability including am optimized Kernel and a proper automagic to configure the system to work with it (limits.conf, timer resolution and firewire-setup). If the latter is not a must-have, UBS would be nothing but a theme(many people dislike) and a set of preinstalled apps (everybody can install with a few clicks in synaptic). Graphics and Video people benefit greatly from Pulse. If this is so (I doubt it is...) may it be: there are a lot of UBS-users like me, that prefer XFCE or KDE, Fluxbox etc. instead of GNOME and we all still accept, that GNOME is the standard-desktop for UBS. We simply install whatever DE we like and use the apps and have the benefit of the RT-optimisation as well. But pulse interferes with audio and so it should be removed from UBS, it would be OK with me, if it is installed but I would like to have a simple way to get rid of it. Ubuntu Studio Control should have a switch for that: disable pulseaudio, click, done The situation could be different if only the available jackd-plugin for pulse would be installable, the same situation for xinelib. There is NO sane reason not to have these plugins in universe and there is absolutely not the slightest reason not to install these plugins with UBS. Cory has pointed out later on in this thread, that the core-devs do not want the jackd-plugin in pulse, because jackd is not in main - they don't want to cope with that, because they do not care for audio-users, I'd say. The UBS-team should not accept such politics lightly... Anyway I have a Suse11.1 up and running now and thanks to jengelh with the best RT-support I have seen since 64Studio 2.0. I run jackd all the time with 8ms latency, no xruns on a machine on which the recent UBS does not run jackd with less then 40ms. And yes: of course you can install pulse and xinelib with proper jackd-support with a few mouseclicks in Suse. So I will see, how 9.04 improves the situation... best regs HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl88h8ACgkQ1Aecwva1SWMc/ACgkCgkU3v7WXwtWpwKBcQPdxa0 TpsAnA9TGrwnN6svvnHW/z+NETUBgdgg =pd53 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Pulse ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Billy C schrieb: A more effective color management system would be needed prior to making the claim that EVERYTHING needed for graphics was present. Yeah - right. But this is linked to licensing-issues, so I would not blame a Linux-Distro for being imperfect in that... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl8+BMACgkQ1Aecwva1SWNuBwCdGadEWcnsHeqg1ArQRT59jtnD qosAniecyTv6oCndB/EvxIkestvVuLOk =ZhV5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Pulse ?
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Billy C schrieb: A more effective color management system would be needed prior to making the claim that EVERYTHING needed for graphics was present. Yeah - right. But this is linked to licensing-issues, so I would not blame a Linux-Distro for being imperfect in that... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl8+BMACgkQ1Aecwva1SWNuBwCdGadEWcnsHeqg1ArQRT59jtnD qosAniecyTv6oCndB/EvxIkestvVuLOk =ZhV5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users The pieces are already present, were they packaged for easier installation/included in the distro, that would make the all-inclusive multimedia package a more valid claim, as color management is ESSENTIAL to billable hours for graphic arts or photography concerns. As one of the audio users mentioned earlier, some of us would rather spend the time with billable hours projects than tweaking and debugging software. BC -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: dumb midi questions
...can you solder an smd chip? On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Atom Smasher a...@smasher.org wrote: brief introduction: i've been playing with hardware synths for ~15 years, and i've been running freeBSD on my desktop for almost that long. i have ideological reasons for not using closed-source OSes. i recently installed ubuntu-studio on a desktop, and it seems like a step in the right direction for integrating my hardware synths with a (mostly) FOSS environment. i've got a very solid understanding of midi in the hardware world, but the software is new to me and i'm not sure where to start. i'm having a hard time finding any recent how-to guides and it seems like a steep learning curve to sort out alsa, dssi, vst, ladspa, jack, etc, and how they all fit in together... if anyone can point me to some current doco on all that stuff...? and i recently bought what seems to be the worlds cheapest usb-midi adapter. when i connect it to my pc1600x, i have to add 40uS delay per byte, or else amidi doesn't get to see all of what's coming in. at least, a delay of 40uS/byte lets the computer receive a complete sysex dump (~19K), but i'm still loosing a lot of CC info when i move sliders on the pc1600x (verified with a few different midi monitors). this seems like a problem with the usb-midi adapter having too small a buffer... even using amidi to monitor the input from the usb adapter (pc1600x -- usb adapter), and using the pc1600x just to send control change messages, a lot of it is not getting past the adapter. if i use the usb port on my controller keyboard (bypassing the cheap usb-midi adapter), and turn a knob, EVERYTHING comes through. so, what should i be looking for in a low-end/entry-level usb-midi adapter that can handle large sysex dumps and plays well with linux? thanks... -- ...atom http://atom.smasher.org/ 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808 - I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man; I am an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man; I am a humble man. -- Marion Barry Mayor, Washington, D.C -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be accepted and/or viewed -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: dumb midi questions
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009, simone-www.io-lab.org wrote: ...can you solder an smd chip? === if i have to. why? On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Atom Smasher a...@smasher.org wrote: brief introduction: i've been playing with hardware synths for ~15 years, and i've been running freeBSD on my desktop for almost that long. i have ideological reasons for not using closed-source OSes. i recently installed ubuntu-studio on a desktop, and it seems like a step in the right direction for integrating my hardware synths with a (mostly) FOSS environment. i've got a very solid understanding of midi in the hardware world, but the software is new to me and i'm not sure where to start. i'm having a hard time finding any recent how-to guides and it seems like a steep learning curve to sort out alsa, dssi, vst, ladspa, jack, etc, and how they all fit in together... if anyone can point me to some current doco on all that stuff...? and i recently bought what seems to be the worlds cheapest usb-midi adapter. when i connect it to my pc1600x, i have to add 40uS delay per byte, or else amidi doesn't get to see all of what's coming in. at least, a delay of 40uS/byte lets the computer receive a complete sysex dump (~19K), but i'm still loosing a lot of CC info when i move sliders on the pc1600x (verified with a few different midi monitors). this seems like a problem with the usb-midi adapter having too small a buffer... even using amidi to monitor the input from the usb adapter (pc1600x -- usb adapter), and using the pc1600x just to send control change messages, a lot of it is not getting past the adapter. if i use the usb port on my controller keyboard (bypassing the cheap usb-midi adapter), and turn a knob, EVERYTHING comes through. so, what should i be looking for in a low-end/entry-level usb-midi adapter that can handle large sysex dumps and plays well with linux? thanks... -- ...atom http://atom.smasher.org/ 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808 - Fascism is capitalism in decay. -- Nikolai Lenin -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What HW/SW do people have working?
There was definitely no programming skill involved. All I did was install some packages from the repo. If you started with a blank mac or windows machine you'd go through similar steps to get it up and running. My command line stuff can all be done in the GUI if cli isn't your bag. It's definitely worth doing in Linux for the RT kernel capabilities. Anyway, the entire process took about 10 minutes with a fast download connection. -Scott Larry David wrote: Thanks Scott. I've gotten the impression that using audio/MIDI hardware on a Linux machine is sort of the opposite of plug-and-play; and if your experience is typical, then that is an understatement. So is this kind of sleuthing and experimenting typical to get a Linux machine to do music? I'm not a programmer and don't have time to figure all this stuff out - I like the FOSS philosophy, and really hope Linux keeps growing - but it sounds like it may be a bit early for the humble user to try doing music with it. Am I wrong? Thanks again, ld On Jan 25, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Scott wrote: Larry David wrote: Hi - I'm a Mac user and musician. I'm thinking of switching to Linux with my next laptop, and am wondering what people are using for audio/ MIDI interfaces, and what software - DAW, plugins, softsynths, etc.? I have a little Dell XPS 1210 which I recently got working for my modest little music studio. All the details were in this post to the FFADO list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=496C1F6E. 9080701%40troutpocket.orgforum_name=ffado-user Here it is in all its posterity: Well, I got it all working. I wanted to share my progress with everyone by editing the wiki but I don't have access to that. Here's what I did (in a nutshell): My Kit: Dell XPS M1210 laptop 1GB RAM Intel T5600 1.8GHz Core2Duo Intel 945GM Video controller Sigmatel 9220 internal audio controller Internal Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller http://tinyurl.com/clr43l EchoAudio Audiofire12 http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire12/index.php Ubuntu Studio 8.10 with RT (realtime) kernel Steps: 1. Install UbuntuStudio 8.10. 2. Install all updates via update manager 3. Install RT kernel ~$ sudo apt-get install linux-rt 4. Install ffado drivers and accompanying libraries In Synaptic Package Manager choose Settings/Repositories. In the Software Sources window choose the Third-Party Software tab. Add the following: deb http://www.ffado.org/apt gutsy contrib Reload your package manager and install the following: ffado-dbus-server ffado-mixer-qt4 ffado-tools jackd-firewire-driver libffado2 libffado2-dev (just in case) 5. Configure grub to boot RT kernel by default ~$ sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst edit the line: default 0 to say default 4 or whatever number (counting from 0) is your rt entry in the file. If you don't do this you have to manually choose it at boot every time. 6. Add yourself to the disk and audio groups. If the audio group doesn't already exist you can create it with the optional first command. ~$ sudo groupadd audio (optional step if audio group doesn't exist) ~$ sudo adduser username disk ~$ sudo adduser username audio 7. Adjust limits.conf to accommodate your RT kernel. ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - rtprio 99 /etc/security/limits.conf' ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - nice -19 /etc/security/limits.conf' ~$ sudo su -c 'echo @audio - memlock unlimited /etc/security/ limits.conf' 8. Reboot to your RT kernel! After you system is up and running you'll have to start jackd. I recommend using qjackctl to do this as it has a patchbay manager. Make sure everything is plugged in and running then start qjackctl (found in Sound Video/Audio Production/JACK Control) 9. You must install the raw1394 kernel module. Unfortunately my ability to get this to stick hasn't worked. No problem, just run the following short command after each boot: ~$ sudo modprobe raw1394 10. Here are the changes I made to the default jackd config by clicking Setup: Driver = firewire Realtime (checked) Priority = 70 Frames/Period = 64 Sample Rate = 48000 Periods/Buffer = 3 Port Maximum = 128 Interface = hw:0 Start Delay = 2 11. Click the Patchbay button. Click the New button and let it discover your port configurations itself. Mine showed System with 12 capture ports listed under Output and it showed System with 12 playback ports under Input. Select System in both windows and choose Connect. You may have
Re: What HW/SW do people have working?
On Sunday 25 January 2009 09:21:19 am Larry David wrote:
Hi - I'm a Mac user and musician. I'm thinking of switching to Linux
with my next laptop, and am wondering what people are using for audio/
MIDI interfaces, and what software - DAW, plugins, softsynths, etc.?
It looks like developers are doing lots of exciting things with Linux
and music (at CCRMA etc.), but what is the state of things for users
who just want to make music and not tinker with code and spend lots
of time debugging? Does anyone have a setup that just works?
Thanks for the info.
ld
Check out the LAU {Linux Audio Users} list. Very active list.
http://lad.linuxaudio.org/subscribe/lau.html
the archive is a treasure trove
http://lalists.stanford.edu/
Tom
--
Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list
Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What HW/SW do people have working?
On Jan 25, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Scott wrote: Larry David wrote: Are you using a Linux machine regularly to do audio/MIDI and finding it solid and useable, or is this still mostly an experiment to see what you can get running and for how long? I'm not doing any MIDI, just audio recording 12 tracks in Ardour. It's working 100% with no xruns or crashes. My longest continuous session was 45 minutes before I stopped it to save. I'm actually a little surprised it's working so well in 8.10 considering it was complete trash in 8.04. I see, that's very interesting. Please forgive my complete ignorance of all things Linux, but what's an xrun? Do you know why Ardour works for you in 8.10 and didn't in 8.04? I mean did you figure something out or did you do everything the same and it just worked differently? About 5 years ago I had an old DAW that ran in NT4 and used a PCI audio capture card. It crashed about 1 in 5 times and both the hardware and software folks claimed that was normal. There was no win2k or newer support and it suffered from a 1/2 second recording delay. That was the biggest pain because it required tons of post-production editing. I think Windows machines crash more and are generally not as good for music apps as Macs - I know that's a generalization and I'm not trying to be a snob - but Mac has always catered more to multimedia, and Windows to business. The fact that Mac OS only runs on Apple machines, and MOTU hardware and software is developed and tested on the exact same machines that users have, makes it run a lot more smoothly than Windows DAWs. There are still problems occasionally of course, but like I said before, Mac+MOTU just plain works 99.9% of the time. RT provides for only a 2ms delay which is a dream... I just hit record and can punch in/out at will then export to an audio file. Even a Mac or PC can't match that. If it wasn't for RT capability I wouldn't have bothered with Linux. The fact that my day to day work takes place in the context of Linux helps, but it wasn't the deciding factor in choosing an OS to host my audio tools. I'd use a Nintendo if the quality and applications were as awesome as those available to Linux :^). Now this is very interesting. RT means real time, right? Is there some real time capability that Linux has for processing audio that Mac does not? Does the Mac CoreAudio or whatever it is not provide the same functionality? I've never heard it claimed that Linux was *better* than Macs (or anything else) for music/audio, but if that's true, that would be a big deal for me. And you say the apps are awesome - I know about Ardour; is it really as good or better than say Digital Performer or Logic or Protools (which I understand it is trying to emulate)? What other music/audio apps are so great? I really want to be convinced that Linux is the way to go - cheaper machine and free SW - can't beat that with a stick. But I'm very skeptical - you get what you pay for and all that... But maybe the FOSS movement/whatever can change that, at least with regards to SW. ld -Scott -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What HW/SW do people have working?
Larry David wrote: On Jan 25, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Scott wrote: Larry David wrote: Are you using a Linux machine regularly to do audio/MIDI and finding it solid and useable, or is this still mostly an experiment to see what you can get running and for how long? I'm not doing any MIDI, just audio recording 12 tracks in Ardour. It's working 100% with no xruns or crashes. My longest continuous session was 45 minutes before I stopped it to save. I'm actually a little surprised it's working so well in 8.10 considering it was complete trash in 8.04. I see, that's very interesting. Please forgive my complete ignorance of all things Linux, but what's an xrun? Do you know why Ardour works for you in 8.10 and didn't in 8.04? I mean did you figure something out or did you do everything the same and it just worked differently? I did everything in 8.10 as I did it in 8.04. I honestly don't know what's different since I'm just a user, not a programmer. This may answer your questions about xruns, latency, etc. http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/SomeNotesOnLatency Pay attention to the section titled So why is the latency higher than on OS XYZ? In any case, Now this is very interesting. RT means real time, right? Is there some real time capability that Linux has for processing audio that Mac does not? I don't know. I can run Linux on commodity hardware but a Mac costs bank. A recent email thread on the ffado-users list (or was it this list?) discussed why Apple and Microsoft wouldn't devote the resources to making an RT version of their OS because the proaudio community is too small to bother supporting, or perhaps they just can't do it. Again... I'm not a kernel hacker, I'm just good at following directions. I really want to be convinced that Linux is the way to go - cheaper machine and free SW - can't beat that with a stick. But I'm very skeptical - you get what you pay for and all that... You can always contribute to the cause. Donate buttons are on the right side of the page at http://ardour.org. ld BTW, I loved Curb Your Enthusiasm. :^) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
