Re: studio backups
Kim Cascone wrote: And to be fair Kim, it was 1 person. Hardly an ass-chewing. ;) and to return that fairness I didn't say 'ass-chewing' and I didn't say that that took place here FWIW - the 'chewing out' occurred on the ubuntumini list you guys are better than that! ;) I simply asked the 'wrong' questions here I am not sure what you mean by this. I thought that it was good that you were asking the question. Backing up is something that is gets mentioned a lot but is very rarely done. but yes many people use the tools for backing up that now come bundled with OS X and XP rather than wading through the miasma of Linux utilities that exist (UI and CLI) What tools might these be? From what I have seen, most people do not even know about Windows previous versions and Time Machine. In any case, neither of these helps you if your hard drive dies, unless you are saving the data to an external source, which requires someone to make a change to the config, which most people don't do. and although most of them have community support they do not get explained in a clear and concise manner I done my time in the software industry and I've learned what it takes to write a useful manual and/or a clear spec for something IMO: most FOSS manuals or instructions get a D for their work and usually require some posting on forums to get the experience of someone who worked thru the unwritten steps The documentation is like all other software, hit and miss. The one difference is that with google I am usually able to find what I am looking for. I have yet to see documentation come with Windows that was useful (at least since 3.1). Cubase SX had pitiful documentation. Of course you can buy some $80+ books that do it right, but most of the time you don't get this with the software itself and google is not as useful. By comparison Python, Rosegarden, and bash are just a couple that come to mind with excellent *free* documentation. I am not a developer and the reason I am still a FOSS user is that it is reasonably easy for us mere mortals to figure this stuff out with nothing more than google and a willingness to learn. The documentation gap is another one of those myths IMO. I don't think your situation is all that common. really? nobody here has ever had to pop in a clone/mirror/backup/ up their data in order to restore it to a new and larger drive? I find that hard to believe clone/mirror/backup are different things that are suited to different tasks. I believe that it is important to backup your work, but most people simply do not do it, regardless of the platform they use. in any event yes rsync is what some people use and I've tested Grsync but not on command line yet Personally, (dev hat off) saving a session in ~/ is nuts to me if HD space is even a possibility of an issue. I do *everything* on another drive. Just me. :) maybe sessions aren't stored there but aren't app settings and the like? Nothing I really care about lives in ~/. I too use a different drive for sessions. I then backup that drive which is easy to do. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: ubuntu studio install
{ brad brace } wrote:
when ubuntu studio is installed on a (system76 pangolin)
ubuntu system (8.10), does it replace the existing
applications?
Some of them. Studio also installs its own kernel.
does it make any sense to partion the drive as
ubuntu and ubuntu studio? does it make any sense to pay for
ubuntu installation and support only to blow it all off by
installing studio?
The answer probably depends on the support contract from system76. I
would ask system76.
does a faster, smaller 7200rpm vs a larger, slower 5400rpm
drive make a significant difference for studio work?
For light audio work I don't think so. For me I do use a 7200 RPM drive
in my laptop. I do use VMWare workstation for work and my computer usage
tends to stress IO, so for me it was entirely worth it.
This answer probably depends on what exactly you are going to be doing
with this system.
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Re: wineasio
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 08:53:08PM CET, Eric Hedekar wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:44 AM, sandie san...@sandgreen.dk wrote: I have been looking at Python and Glade the last few days, and have made my first program, a Wineasio Installer for UbuntuStudio. If anyone is interested, you can get it here : http://www.sandgreen.dk/xt2/files/wineasioinstaller-0.7.4-2.tar.gz just unpack and run the executable. I have tested it on UbuntuStudio 7.04, UbuntuStudio 8.04 and Ubuntu 8.10 (both 32bit) and it actualy works :-) /Sandie Cool! But I've got a couple questions: 1) On line 69 of wineasioinstaller, wget is used but you've made no attempt to install wget on line 57 - that's not really a question, just a correction. It would in fact be better to use an http module/library for python, and download the file that way. There is often no need to call a program externally from python, because you can find a python module that you can use to do the work for you. Luke signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: wineasio
Eric Hedekar wrote: Cool! But I've got a couple questions: Thanks :-) 1) On line 69 of wineasioinstaller, wget is used but you've made no attempt to install wget on line 57 - that's not really a question, just a correction. Doesnt Ubuntustudio come with wget ? 2) What license is your program under? There's no copyright information anywhere in the tarball. I havent yet looked into all the quirks about license, but it's free to use and modify, so I gues that makes it GPL ? but as you pointed out, the asio header from Steinberg is another story. 3) In the Wineasio installation instructions it says: Copy the file asio.h from Steinberg's asio-sdk to the wineasio directory How do you get around the inclusion of this file, or is that what's being gotten from: http://www.sandgreen.dk/xt2/files/wineasio_0.7.4/wineasio.dll.so ? I hope this isn't breaking any of Steinberg's license terms - is it? Its only the source that is forbidden to distribute, and to my knowledge, it is ok to distribute it in binary form, thats why I use a precompiled dll from my own site. /Sandie -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: wineasio
Luke Yelavich wrote: It would in fact be better to use an http module/library for python, and download the file that way. There is often no need to call a program externally from python, because you can find a python module that you can use to do the work for you. Luke Thanks for the sugestion, I'll look into it. I have only been using Python/Glade for about a week, so I got a lot to learn :-) /Sandie -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
quickstart
very useful tool for backups/images and more forum: http://quickstart.freeforums.org/ online manual: http://quickstartdownload.pbwiki.com/QuickStart+Help how to install: http://howtoforge.com/quickstart-the-swiss-army-knife-for-ubuntu-8.04- desktop -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: wineasio
sandie wrote: Eric Hedekar wrote: Cool! But I've got a couple questions: Thanks :-) 1) On line 69 of wineasioinstaller, wget is used but you've made no attempt to install wget on line 57 - that's not really a question, just a correction. Doesnt Ubuntustudio come with wget ? When writing a program, it is a good habit to get into to assume nothing :) 2) What license is your program under? There's no copyright information anywhere in the tarball. I havent yet looked into all the quirks about license, but it's free to use and modify, so I gues that makes it GPL ? but as you pointed out, the asio header from Steinberg is another story. The licence is whatever you specify. There is no default licence. Look at the fsf site for more info: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ 3) In the Wineasio installation instructions it says: Copy the file asio.h from Steinberg's asio-sdk to the wineasio directory How do you get around the inclusion of this file, or is that what's being gotten from: http://www.sandgreen.dk/xt2/files/wineasio_0.7.4/wineasio.dll.so ? I hope this isn't breaking any of Steinberg's license terms - is it? Its only the source that is forbidden to distribute, and to my knowledge, it is ok to distribute it in binary form, thats why I use a precompiled dll from my own site. No idea on this one. I don't use wineasio, I am not a lawyer, and I have never looked at the Steinberg licence. :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: studio backups
What tools might these be? well I've only recently delved back into the Windoze battlefield (after being away since 2001) as I've been given the task of maintaining my son's new XP laptop there is a little app (if you dig deep enough) called Backup in XP it took me all of an hour to find it, grok it and get it backing up to a 500G USB drive on the OS X front (which is where I spend most of my time) there is Time Machine, Disk Utilities, SuperDuper and Carbon Copy Cloner to name a few I don't know ONE pro or semi-pro musician who doesn't backup their main machine as well as their session drives -- mostly they've learned to do this the hard way and back up on a daily or weekly basis I've found that most musicians back up their assets/deliverables to hard drive and/or burn it to DVD's In any case, neither of these helps you if your hard drive dies, unless you are saving the data to an external source, which requires someone to make a change to the config, which most people don't do. I haven't used Time Machine so I can't comment on how that works but I've had no trouble setting up my son's XP lappy to back up onto an external drive it makes no sense to backup to the same disc you are backing up - besides unless you config this with excludes it sounds like a recursion nightmare if someone is backing up to a local drive they should be instructed to stop doing this immediately and buy an external USB drive for $50 and back up on that instead as for documentation: I wasn't referring to commercial audio apps here but yes there is much crap documentation in the commercial neck of the woods I have a friend who works at Digidesign who (used to) rewrites crap manuals when we worked at Headspace he was finishing the Deck manual and had just started working on the Cubase manual (this is circa 1997) which if I remember correctly was a train wreck on paper and drove him crazy but what I was referring to are all the little Linux apps made by bedroom coders with poor writing skills I've worked with tech writers and have a great deal of respect for what they do to be fair not everyone has the skills to do this but developers should let their community add to a living document online in the form of a WIKI so that it can gain from the experience of people who use the tool in a variety of settings and can document the odd cases where something doesn't work and provide steps to work through a problem in any case, I've tested Clonezilla and this seems to be a good Linux app for making a clone one must read through the manual a couple of times in order to parse the instructions also, there is Quickstart (I posted this separately) which allows you to use either tar or partimage for backing up both Clonezilla and Quickstart have a UI and are fairly easy to use I've made tars with Quickstart and images with Clonezilla but have not tested them yet by restoring them next week I'll get to this clone/mirror/backup are different things that are suited to different tasks. one man's clone is another man's backup peoples needs are complex enough so that these functions intersect to a varying degree my own needs have changed -- from running my own company to working as a film sound editor to working in audio software to being a professional musician in my home studio but in all cases my basic need was the same: to protect my data by making copies of it on other media and throughout that time I've gone from copying data to floppy discs to Syquest drives to zip drives to CD to DVD to USB sticks etc etc so as technology advanced the needs changed and vice versa these days I work one a single laptop so I tend to work from an external disc that I've partitioned into backups and sound projects other musicians have different scenarios that require them to back up to another machine, across a network or backup certain files to one place while others go another etc. many of the commercial tools contain enough of a feature set that allows people to select a subset of functionality that meets their needs although I 'clone' my drive each night it serves as my 'backup' - i.e. if my drive fails I can go to my image and restore it onto a new drive in any case, I feel Ubuntu lacks a backup tool (ala Gnome or KDE) that gives new Linux users an easy reliable way to backup/clone/image/ snapshot/whatever without the pain and frustration of remembering all the switches for tar, rsnapshot, rsync, dd, dump, partimage or whatever another thing I've been researching since my reentry into Linux land: bootable rescue USB sticks I plan to make one for ubuntu-rescue or sysresccd later http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/ http://www.sysresccd.org if and when your machine goes south its good to have tools that you can boot from to help you troubleshoot problems maybe some of the more
Re: studio backups
If you wan rsync, tar and other Unix type utilities, you can get get the Cygwin environment for Windows: http://www.cygwin.net/cygwin/ - Original Message What tools might these be? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
