Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:28 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 31.05.2011 00:45, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 18:05 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > >> ralph > > > > > I heard a lot of Linux recordings I like, but never one that regarding > > to the sound quality was comparable to any professional studio recording > > or any analog home recoding. > > I never heared any recording made unto cassette, that had a sound > quality comparable with the first primitive recordings I made with > Audacity on a Terratec EWX -- some 10 years ago. > > Excuse the hard words but your notions are plain nonsense. I do not > speak about software at all here, sound quality has nothing to do with > software at all. > You can actually make a audiophile recording of a Jazz-trio on Linux > simply using a capable interface (like the RME plus a decent IO-module), > good preamps, good microphones and good musicians playing good > instruments in front of them. With jack_record or Ardour or Mixbus or > Gramofile: at your option. > > Yes, top-notch analogue equipment still beats everything else but > certainly not a cassette-recorder. > > best regards > > HZN A maintained Yamaha MT44D, that does mean that you've got to clean and demagnetize it. Recalibrating is tricky and expensive, but you can buy cassettes, test them and if they are ok for your Yamaha MT44D, then you buy a bigger charge of those cassettes. I did use exactly this tape recorder when I worked for studio development at [snip], so I could compare my home recordings to top-notch studio recordings. A cassette recorder isn't nearly as good as top-notch analog equipment, but much better than my two TerraTec cards. Of cause, the cassette recorder was less good than a Firewire Motu device I could test at this time. I know that most 4-track cassette recordings are disgusting, but most people don't know how to maintain gear in the right way. It's possible to use the demagnetizer and to make things more worse, than they were before demagnetizing ;) etc.. The biggest difference between cheap and expensive analog equipment is the durability. Some of those rich guys I was working for collect old equipment, mics, pre-amps, tape recorders. I heard Telefunken tape recorders (Senkel, nicht Kassette, dunno the term in English, is it 1/4"?) that still were top-notch, thought those recorders were older then I was. Neither a home recording cassette recorder nor a microchip for any sound card will live that long. A lot of people will disagree even with your opinion, they say that no analog equipment is better than digital equipment and then use the tape saturation plugin ;) that never ever is able to do tape saturation, nearly as good as even a consumer cassette recorder. Tape saturation can be that good, that you don't need a compressor for the stereo sum! You can use disadvantages of some equipment as an advantage. It's easier for top-notch, but also, very limited possible for cheap analog equipment. It's a pity that this knowledge falls into oblivion. Listen to old Beatles recordings, older than Abbey Road ;), they did use gear comparable to the quality of a 4-track cassette recorder! I'm not a talker, Beatles LPs are available, but avoid loudness war remastered CDs. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
Am 31.05.2011 00:45, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 18:05 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: ralph I heard a lot of Linux recordings I like, but never one that regarding to the sound quality was comparable to any professional studio recording or any analog home recoding. I never heared any recording made unto cassette, that had a sound quality comparable with the first primitive recordings I made with Audacity on a Terratec EWX -- some 10 years ago. Excuse the hard words but your notions are plain nonsense. I do not speak about software at all here, sound quality has nothing to do with software at all. You can actually make a audiophile recording of a Jazz-trio on Linux simply using a capable interface (like the RME plus a decent IO-module), good preamps, good microphones and good musicians playing good instruments in front of them. With jack_record or Ardour or Mixbus or Gramofile: at your option. Yes, top-notch analogue equipment still beats everything else but certainly not a cassette-recorder. best regards HZN -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Looking for users located at Barcelona
you can enter in hospitalityclub.com, here the people lend you stay in them home for any days, it's depends, and maybe they can help you to find the place. 2011/5/31, Joan Quintana : > Here I am, in Barcelona (I worked in Can Bassa years ago, very near from > your spot). > > Joan quintana > > On Tue May 31st, 2011 5:30 AM EDT Josep Pujadas i Jubany wrote: > >>Hello! >> >>I would like to contact with users located near Barcelona ( >>http://maps.google.com/?q=41.591874,2.289965) >> >>Thanks, >> >>jpujades at gmail dot com >>http://www.bellera.cat > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Looking for users located at Barcelona
Here I am, in Barcelona (I worked in Can Bassa years ago, very near from your spot). Joan quintana On Tue May 31st, 2011 5:30 AM EDT Josep Pujadas i Jubany wrote: >Hello! > >I would like to contact with users located near Barcelona ( >http://maps.google.com/?q=41.591874,2.289965) > >Thanks, > >jpujades at gmail dot com >http://www.bellera.cat -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 10:12 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > finally we get to the bottom line. we actually *are* having the > 'analog vs digital' debate. theres no need to have that debate here. > > > the issue im trying to highlight is advocacy ralph. if you want to > discount *all* digital recording methods, go for it. if i had the > money, time, patience and space, i would quite enjoy having an analog > setup. but, for now, digital recording is SO much easier for me to > deal with. and for others who come to this list, and others you > communicate with, this is the case as well. most audio production is > done digitally these days, and i feel like it is important for us as > ubuntu users to help promote the tools we have. ALSO, using terms like > "pro-fools" to refer to protools is unnecessary. we probably have > users here that are using both protools and ardour, or maybe protools > on their production machines, and looking at ubuntu on a desktop > platform. i feel like this is an unnecessary alienating step. > personally, i dont use protools, but that doesnt mean that its use is > "wrong". and to imply that is not a 'community building' attitude. > > > i would like to think that any audio professional or home user using > whatever OS or proprietary software could come to this list, and feel > welcome. and i would like to ask all the long-time users to become > ambassadors, embracing the technology we have, and helping spread the > positives, as well as internally helping address and resolve the > negatives. > > Seconded. I'm using Ubuntu Studio because it's the only viable route for me at present. Should some miracle occur and I turn professional then I would probably look again, with expert advice, but for now the choice is Ardour because : a) it works and b) I can afford it. Cheers. > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
finally we get to the bottom line. we actually *are* having the 'analog vs digital' debate. theres no need to have that debate here. the issue im trying to highlight is advocacy ralph. if you want to discount *all* digital recording methods, go for it. if i had the money, time, patience and space, i would quite enjoy having an analog setup. but, for now, digital recording is SO much easier for me to deal with. and for others who come to this list, and others you communicate with, this is the case as well. most audio production is done digitally these days, and i feel like it is important for us as ubuntu users to help promote the tools we have. ALSO, using terms like "pro-fools" to refer to protools is unnecessary. we probably have users here that are using both protools and ardour, or maybe protools on their production machines, and looking at ubuntu on a desktop platform. i feel like this is an unnecessary alienating step. personally, i dont use protools, but that doesnt mean that its use is "wrong". and to imply that is not a 'community building' attitude. i would like to think that any audio professional or home user using whatever OS or proprietary software could come to this list, and feel welcome. and i would like to ask all the long-time users to become ambassadors, embracing the technology we have, and helping spread the positives, as well as internally helping address and resolve the negatives. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I'm still reading all mails, but the only thing I've to add, for a lsat > time is ... > Just again, Ardour2 is the best HD recording software I know, I call > ProTools "Pro Fools". My claim is, that neither Ardour2, nor any other > software should be used to record orchestras. No discussion about cut, > copy and paste for orchestra recordings. But well, a note to the > microphoning. Dirk Brauner borrowed microphones for orchestra recordings > done in studio halls and also for orchestra recordings in sport halls. > The Tim Isfort Orchester > http://www.amazon.de/Tim-Isfort-Orchester/dp/B0B5Y7 > recording was done in a sports hall, pardon, it was a school hall, > anyway, you can't compare such a production with studio hall recordings. > It's always a discussion if an orchestra recording can be cut, copied > and pasted. Perhaps there might be one point at 25 minutes of a 45 > minute recording where it's possible and done, regarding to costs. > > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 08:21 -0400, Mac wrote: > > Well, I sort of agree with both lines of thought here. > > > > 1. Having a stable recording platform where there are zero hick-ups of > > any kind is important for live recording. > > > > 2. In a studio environment there may be many stops, but, the people > > paying for the recording time won't be thrilled paying for breaks to > > deal with buffer overruns. > > > > That said, I've successfully done 2+ hour recordings of musical > > theater events with 24 channels via firewire into Ardour. > > > > That was with Ubuntu 9x, a tweaked kernel from Luke, and locally > > compiled latest (at that time) Ardour. I got to that point only after > > a lot of help from Paul, Luke and others. I have not attempted > > anything like this since then. > > > > FWIW: I did some quick tests with the same hardware using the latest > > AVLinux...it just worked out-of-the-box, no tweaks or after install > > setups. > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ricardo Lameiro > > wrote: > > > Well, Ralf. > > > > > > You seem to like to talk to other person from top down. well i will > > > tell you maybe Mike is right. > > > There is ONLY ONE situation where a sound engeneering needs to record > > > for more than 60 minutes non stop. a Live concert. > > > In studio an orchestra can stop a lot. And dont come tell me that I am > > > liyng or that it isnt true. I play in orchestr and recorded like that, > > > and I ha a teacher in the Belgium radio orchestra and another teacher > > > on the Bamberger symphoniker. Everywhere is the same!! > > > > > > Another thing, why the hell are the technicias that spread Audio > > > foolery FUD? (Fear, Unceartinty and Doubt). Technicias and sound > > > engeneeres dont like change, dont want to learn new workflows... it > > > isnt uncomon to see technicias recording with very old software... > > > they say it sounds better.ya right > > > Ardour is made by the same man that created JACK. JACK is way, really > > > way better than ASIO made by a top funded company. That technology is > > > the ardoour core. > > > So to finalize, if you dont want to be acused of misinformation , then > > > test ardour recording an orchestra first, on a top notch > > > Computer/hardware (not on that old machine at home to run linux > > > because windows cant handle it...) > > > and then come and say the result. Then i will believe you. > > > > > > Ãnothaer thing to recor an orchestra Professionaly you dont need much. > > > A very good matched pair mi
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
I'm still reading all mails, but the only thing I've to add, for a lsat time is ... Just again, Ardour2 is the best HD recording software I know, I call ProTools "Pro Fools". My claim is, that neither Ardour2, nor any other software should be used to record orchestras. No discussion about cut, copy and paste for orchestra recordings. But well, a note to the microphoning. Dirk Brauner borrowed microphones for orchestra recordings done in studio halls and also for orchestra recordings in sport halls. The Tim Isfort Orchester http://www.amazon.de/Tim-Isfort-Orchester/dp/B0B5Y7 recording was done in a sports hall, pardon, it was a school hall, anyway, you can't compare such a production with studio hall recordings. It's always a discussion if an orchestra recording can be cut, copied and pasted. Perhaps there might be one point at 25 minutes of a 45 minute recording where it's possible and done, regarding to costs. On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 08:21 -0400, Mac wrote: > Well, I sort of agree with both lines of thought here. > > 1. Having a stable recording platform where there are zero hick-ups of > any kind is important for live recording. > > 2. In a studio environment there may be many stops, but, the people > paying for the recording time won't be thrilled paying for breaks to > deal with buffer overruns. > > That said, I've successfully done 2+ hour recordings of musical > theater events with 24 channels via firewire into Ardour. > > That was with Ubuntu 9x, a tweaked kernel from Luke, and locally > compiled latest (at that time) Ardour. I got to that point only after > a lot of help from Paul, Luke and others. I have not attempted > anything like this since then. > > FWIW: I did some quick tests with the same hardware using the latest > AVLinux...it just worked out-of-the-box, no tweaks or after install > setups. > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ricardo Lameiro > wrote: > > Well, Ralf. > > > > You seem to like to talk to other person from top down. well i will > > tell you maybe Mike is right. > > There is ONLY ONE situation where a sound engeneering needs to record > > for more than 60 minutes non stop. a Live concert. > > In studio an orchestra can stop a lot. And dont come tell me that I am > > liyng or that it isnt true. I play in orchestr and recorded like that, > > and I ha a teacher in the Belgium radio orchestra and another teacher > > on the Bamberger symphoniker. Everywhere is the same!! > > > > Another thing, why the hell are the technicias that spread Audio > > foolery FUD? (Fear, Unceartinty and Doubt). Technicias and sound > > engeneeres dont like change, dont want to learn new workflows... it > > isnt uncomon to see technicias recording with very old software... > > they say it sounds better.ya right > > Ardour is made by the same man that created JACK. JACK is way, really > > way better than ASIO made by a top funded company. That technology is > > the ardoour core. > > So to finalize, if you dont want to be acused of misinformation , then > > test ardour recording an orchestra first, on a top notch > > Computer/hardware (not on that old machine at home to run linux > > because windows cant handle it...) > > and then come and say the result. Then i will believe you. > > > > Ãnothaer thing to recor an orchestra Professionaly you dont need much. > > A very good matched pair mics, very good placement mics and good > > converters.. Technically you could record an orchestra with comand > > line .. like arecord > > > > See ya > > > > > > 2011/5/31 Ralf Mardorf : > >> On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > >> > >> > >>> i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > >>> want. > >> > >> Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > >> simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > >> usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied > >> and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without > >> fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR > >> needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, > >> catering etc. pp.. > >> > >> One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. > >> > >> You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's > >> not where the big money is made. > >> > >> Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an > >> orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra > >> recording in this price segment? > >> > >> I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, > >> my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch > >> where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. > >> > >> [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but > >> big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-Studio-users mail
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > > i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > > want. > > Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied > and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without > fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR > needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, > catering etc. pp.. > > One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. > > You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's > not where the big money is made. > > Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an > orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra > recording in this price segment? > > I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, > my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch > where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. > > [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but > big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > hello again ralph actually, for my use, i do not delineate between "important" and "non-important" work. if its one person or several hundred, i treat those projects with the same level of personal professionalism. as a system stress test, whenever i add hardware (or a big software version change) i let JACK and ardour run for either several hours or overnite. i setup an ardour session with 8 channels recording at 24/96. not only is this a test case in which crashing is not an option, but i also have a personal zero xrun policy. IF i get an xrun, i relax the JACK settings, and try again. when that test is successful, i name that JACK preset "stable" and thats what i use for tracking live. if i were charging money for a session and got an xrun, i would not feel comfortable using the rig. the point i was trying to make was that all of these systems are capable of instability, whatever DAW on whatever OS. even those stand-alone digital hard disk recorders can 'crash'. computers crash. does this mean we cant use them in a professional setting? i choose to do some stress tests, and take the risk. in an analog studio, things break as well. the power can go out, tape breaks, cables go bad, or whatever. -- MH http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ http://wnclug.ourproject.org/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
Well, I sort of agree with both lines of thought here. 1. Having a stable recording platform where there are zero hick-ups of any kind is important for live recording. 2. In a studio environment there may be many stops, but, the people paying for the recording time won't be thrilled paying for breaks to deal with buffer overruns. That said, I've successfully done 2+ hour recordings of musical theater events with 24 channels via firewire into Ardour. That was with Ubuntu 9x, a tweaked kernel from Luke, and locally compiled latest (at that time) Ardour. I got to that point only after a lot of help from Paul, Luke and others. I have not attempted anything like this since then. FWIW: I did some quick tests with the same hardware using the latest AVLinux...it just worked out-of-the-box, no tweaks or after install setups. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote: > Well, Ralf. > > You seem to like to talk to other person from top down. well i will > tell you maybe Mike is right. > There is ONLY ONE situation where a sound engeneering needs to record > for more than 60 minutes non stop. a Live concert. > In studio an orchestra can stop a lot. And dont come tell me that I am > liyng or that it isnt true. I play in orchestr and recorded like that, > and I ha a teacher in the Belgium radio orchestra and another teacher > on the Bamberger symphoniker. Everywhere is the same!! > > Another thing, why the hell are the technicias that spread Audio > foolery FUD? (Fear, Unceartinty and Doubt). Technicias and sound > engeneeres dont like change, dont want to learn new workflows... it > isnt uncomon to see technicias recording with very old software... > they say it sounds better.ya right > Ardour is made by the same man that created JACK. JACK is way, really > way better than ASIO made by a top funded company. That technology is > the ardoour core. > So to finalize, if you dont want to be acused of misinformation , then > test ardour recording an orchestra first, on a top notch > Computer/hardware (not on that old machine at home to run linux > because windows cant handle it...) > and then come and say the result. Then i will believe you. > > Ãnothaer thing to recor an orchestra Professionaly you dont need much. > A very good matched pair mics, very good placement mics and good > converters.. Technically you could record an orchestra with comand > line .. like arecord > > See ya > > > 2011/5/31 Ralf Mardorf : >> On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: >> >> >>> i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you >>> want. >> >> Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I >> simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional >> usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied >> and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without >> fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR >> needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, >> catering etc. pp.. >> >> One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. >> >> You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's >> not where the big money is made. >> >> Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an >> orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra >> recording in this price segment? >> >> I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, >> my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch >> where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. >> >> [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but >> big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users >> > > > > -- > Fagote / Contrafagote > Bassoon / Contra-bassoon > http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
Well, Ralf. You seem to like to talk to other person from top down. well i will tell you maybe Mike is right. There is ONLY ONE situation where a sound engeneering needs to record for more than 60 minutes non stop. a Live concert. In studio an orchestra can stop a lot. And dont come tell me that I am liyng or that it isnt true. I play in orchestr and recorded like that, and I ha a teacher in the Belgium radio orchestra and another teacher on the Bamberger symphoniker. Everywhere is the same!! Another thing, why the hell are the technicias that spread Audio foolery FUD? (Fear, Unceartinty and Doubt). Technicias and sound engeneeres dont like change, dont want to learn new workflows... it isnt uncomon to see technicias recording with very old software... they say it sounds better.ya right Ardour is made by the same man that created JACK. JACK is way, really way better than ASIO made by a top funded company. That technology is the ardoour core. So to finalize, if you dont want to be acused of misinformation , then test ardour recording an orchestra first, on a top notch Computer/hardware (not on that old machine at home to run linux because windows cant handle it...) and then come and say the result. Then i will believe you. Ãnothaer thing to recor an orchestra Professionaly you dont need much. A very good matched pair mics, very good placement mics and good converters.. Technically you could record an orchestra with comand line .. like arecord See ya 2011/5/31 Ralf Mardorf : > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > >> i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you >> want. > > Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied > and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without > fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR > needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, > catering etc. pp.. > > One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. > > You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's > not where the big money is made. > > Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an > orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra > recording in this price segment? > > I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, > my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch > where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. > > [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but > big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Professionalism [was: Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?]
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 12:56 +0300, Janne Jokitalo wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:37:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > > > want. > > > > Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > > simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > > usage when you record big orchestras > > Not wanting this thread to elaborate further, but I just thought I needed to > point out, Ralf, that professionalism exists outside of recording big > orchestras. Check the meaning of the term. It means doing something for money, > or other means of payment. > > I'm fairly confident that ardour is being used in such a manner. It looks like > Mike is actually trying to say that he knows that to be true. > > Nothing more to say on this topic, carry on as previously programmed (though I > fail to see how this has anything to do with Ubuntu Studio anymore.) > > I got money for 'professional' recordings I did with an elcheapo Realistic Highball microphone. I won't encourage people to buy this microphone for professional usage. It's possible to do professional recordings using this cheap low quality microphone, but the field to do this is very, very limited. 'Professional' in this context does mean that a product can be used for averaged professional studio work. Semantics has to do with the situational context and btw. my English is very broken. My native language is German. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Professionalism [was: Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?]
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:37:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > > want. > > Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > usage when you record big orchestras Not wanting this thread to elaborate further, but I just thought I needed to point out, Ralf, that professionalism exists outside of recording big orchestras. Check the meaning of the term. It means doing something for money, or other means of payment. I'm fairly confident that ardour is being used in such a manner. It looks like Mike is actually trying to say that he knows that to be true. Nothing more to say on this topic, carry on as previously programmed (though I fail to see how this has anything to do with Ubuntu Studio anymore.) -- Jaska signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > want. Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, catering etc. pp.. One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's not where the big money is made. Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra recording in this price segment? I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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