Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com: Von: Hartmut Noack An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API" Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green" a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forc
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
> > Von: Hartmut Noack >An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com >Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 >Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope > >Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: >> So, if I ready correctly: > >It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you >would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. > >> >> Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and >> mixing environment. >> Why: >> 1) kernel issues >> 2) driver issues > >All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations >of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including >Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does >not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus >the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my >Firewire-interface. > >Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. >It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and >soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. > > >> >> Options: >> 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of >> ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option > >Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, >for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did >work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to >support the same as good. > >> 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all >> you need - realistic option > >Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not >work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. > >> 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic >> option > >I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API" Jack >and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found >a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these >APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is >irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). > >> >> Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. > >*Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. > >> Ubuntu/Linux is >> supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not >> one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. > >In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants >did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? > > >> >> Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You >> can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS >> layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to >> work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! > >What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your >interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? > >Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such >issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, >that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians > > >> , why >> ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the >> kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are >> not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. > >I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. > >best regards > >HZN > >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza escribió: >> >>> Hi >>> Should try.Tango Studio >>> Regards >>> Teza. >>> Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green" a écrit : >>> >>> for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first att
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API" Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green" a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my foc
