>________________________________
> Von: Hartmut Noack <zettber...@linuxuse.de>
>An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
>Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012
>Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope
>
>Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.:
>> So, if I ready correctly:
>
>It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you
>would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about.
>
>>
>> Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and
>> mixing environment.
>> Why:
>> 1) kernel issues
>> 2) driver issues
>
>All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations
>of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including
>Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does
>not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus
>the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my
>Firewire-interface.
>
>Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great.
>It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and
>soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well.
>
>
>>
>> Options:
>> 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of
>> ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option
>
>Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands,
>for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did
>work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to
>support the same as good.
>
>> 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all
>> you need - realistic option
>
>Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not
>work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others.
>
>> 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic
>> option
>
>I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API" Jack
>and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found
>a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these
>APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is
>irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either).
>
>>
>> Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience.
>
>*Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this.
>
>> Ubuntu/Linux is
>> supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not
>> one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected.
>
>In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants
>did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse?
>
>
>>
>> Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You
>> can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS
>> layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to
>> work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !
>
>What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your
>interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX?
>
>Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such
>issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion,
>that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians....
>
>
>> , why
>> ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the
>> kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are
>> not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio.
>
>I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse.
>
>best regards
>
>HZN
>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza<tezalp...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> Should try.Tango Studio
>>> Regards
>>> Teza.
>>> Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green"<r...@aapsc.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment?
>>>>
>>>> Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface,
>>>> largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado
>>>> project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install
>>>> wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy
>>>> of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I
>>>> was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've
>>>> done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around
>>>> its quirks
>>>> When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the
>>>> latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order
>>>> I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more
>>>> than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof.
>>>> Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are
>>>> stacking up faster than ever.
>>>>
>>>> I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a
>>>> first attempt with the firewire interface...
>>>>
>>>> With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the
>>>> ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server
>>>> isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I
>>>> restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'.
>>>> This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test
>>>> ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1.
>>>>
>>>> I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver,
>>>> accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails
>>>> with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message.
>>>>
>>>> After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and
>>>> start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server
>>>> first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start
>>>> ffado-mixer first.)
>>>> I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of
>>>> whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24
>>>> minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!),
>>>> jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up,
>>>> too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything
>>>> jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back
>>>> on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour
>>>> to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport
>>>> was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the |<<
>>>> button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted
>>>> capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect.
>>>> I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl
>>>> threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down
>>>> at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl
>>>> itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding'
>>>> message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal
>>>> and resort to kill -9 again.
>>>>
>>>> The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see
>>>> any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they
>>>> gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be
>>>> any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rick Green
>>>>
>>>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
>>>> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>>>> -Benjamin Franklin
>>>>
>>>> "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our
>>>> safety and our ideals."
>>>> -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009
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>Hello Hartmut,
>
>could you post the setup of your systems that have always worked? Maybe you
>have done that already and it is available somewhere in an archive or blog,
>please send me the URL. Thanks in advance.
>
>On a different topic.
>I was getting very tired of listening to the fan noise of my laptop. I had
>bought an external fan (ZALMAN) onto which I would place the laptop and it was
>working quite well, but still: noise. Maybe the open source graphics driver
>wasn't able to control the fan too well.
>I looked for alternatives and considered several options e.g. server and thin
>client setup, with a server in a different room. Or a tower PC with extra
>quite fans.
>
>For a couple of days now, working on the PC has become a new sensation. I
>found a completely fan-less system
>(http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/King-Mod-No-Noise-HTPC-Gigabyte-AMD-APU-E350::17711.html).
> I've added a Samsung SDD and a 21" LED monitor from AOC. Currently I am
>running xubuntu 11.10. I haven't tweaked it yet (e.g. 3D graphics drivers,
>desktop effects, etc.). I was looking for some nice temperature meter on the
>desktop for xfce, but I think I need compiz for desktop effects first. So far
>I have a terminal open with "watch sensors", that keeps me updated on the
>temperature of the system. On the average it is about 50 degrees Celcius, very
>similar to what I saw on my laptop with fans.
>I learned that when using Gigabyte motherboards and trying to boot from USB
>sticks is not easily accomplished. But thanks to others sharing their
>solution, I was able to install xubuntu from a USB stick.
>I am not sure whether the CPU power will be enough for more heavyweight kind
>of work (e.g. video encoding), but general applications (office, browser) are
>a breeze.
>Standby and suspend worked out of the box. Apparently the network card:
>Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
>controller (rev 06) can have problems with dual boot Windows (where Windows
>puts it into sleep during shutdown and the linux driver not being able to wake
>it up again - or something). I don't have dual boot at the moment, so I cannot
>comment on that. But I have seen this behavior on a laptop (ASUS, AMD E450)
>with dual boot .
>...
>and still: no noise :)
>
>Just wanted to share.
>
>Cheers,
>Stefan
>
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