Re: (rant) Is there any hope

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Worth
> I will be really really really interested on the real statistics.
> Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example
> Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack +
> Pulseaudio for example.
>

Driver support under Linux is an issue with the vendors not with Linux
itself. I hear this complaining on lists all the time and it's preaching to
the choir. The people you should be ranting at are the manufacturers not
the guys fighting to make things work out of nothing. Also, you are being
silly if you think it's that hard to find a reasonable external sound card
that is supported under Linux, you aren't trying hard enough.

The pulse jack issues is probably the easiest problem I've had to overcome
since moving to 100% linux 6 years ago. I'm sick of people acting like they
are getting martyred every time they have to stop one sound server and
start another.

Most people don't even know why a kernel is and issue before they start
bitching about how they NEED to have hard realtime. If you ABSOLUTELY need
it then you will take the time to figure out how to make it happen although
I suspect that said person would need to do more research on what kind of
latency you actually need to worry about.

If you select hardware with some care and are willing to learn it's a fun
and rewarding experience, if you want everything to be magically easy then
you picked the wrong platform. Linux might be a be a bit of a walled garden
but there are ways in and those of us on the inside are super happy. The
vast majority of things that people do with audio production are there for
the using and the very few things that aren't I haven't really cared about
in a long time. These lists aren't for people to have people to yell at
that don't like this or that. Buck up or GTFO. If you wan't to learn there
is a vast and deep well of extremely knowledgeable and talented people very
willing to help. If you want to pine on about how this or that sucks then
be happy using some other software.

These lists aren't for people to solve all your problems they are to point
you in the right direction to figuring it out on your own. The community
doesn't owe anyone anything. We all had to spend time googling to figure
things out too and are happy and better for the process.

Might be harsh but I'm sick of trying to convince people that Linux and
FLOSS are worth it. Either you "get it" or you don't.

Dan
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Re: (rant) Is there any hope

2012-03-04 Thread Jose H.
>
> Why:
>>  1) kernel issues
>>  2) driver issues
>>
>
> All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of
> hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including
> Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not
> apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the
> KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my
> Firewire-interface.
>
> Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great.
> It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and
> soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well.
>

I will be really really really interested on the real statistics.
Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example
Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack +
Pulseaudio for example.


> What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your
> interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX?
>
>
I really challenge you to find one popular external sound interface that is
not supported in MacOSX.
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Re: (rant) Is there any hope

2012-03-04 Thread daniel murray
Hello,

I switched from Windows years ago - will never go back...here's my list of
hardware that I use that always works:

e-machine AMD64 (2.4ghz)
1 GB Ram
160 GB HD Sata 1
M-Audio AudioPhile USB (version 1, 16 bit only)
NVidia graphics chipset (imbedded)
realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!)
realtek NIC 100MB

e-machine intel p4 2.4 ghz
1 gb ram
80 gb HD sata 1
M-Audio Audiophile PCI 24/96
intel graphics chipset
realtek NIC 100MB
asus MB
realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!)

Asus one netbook (LMAO!!)
2 core atom 1ghz cpu
1 GB ram
8 GB hd (5400 rpm - lmao)
8 GB sd (the bad transend sd cards)
intel graphics chipset
b43 wireless
realtek NIC

intel iMac (circa 2007)
1 GB Ram
160 GB sata 1 HD
intel HDA sound card
ATI Raedeon 1600XT
intel NIC 1000GB
b43 wireless

I'm running 11.10 and 10.04 with low-latency kernels. I even use netjack
alond with the sneaky ssh -X to link in with other PC's in the studio.

Yes there is hope.

Cheers, Daniel.


On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:

> Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  __**__
>>> Von: Hartmut Noack
>>> An: 
>>> ubuntu-studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.com
>>> Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012
>>> Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope
>>>
>>> Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.:
>>>
 So, if I ready correctly:

>>>
>>> It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you
>>> would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about.
>>>
>>>
 Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and
 mixing environment.
 Why:
1) kernel issues
2) driver issues

>>>
>>> All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations
>>> of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including
>>> Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does
>>> not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus
>>> the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my
>>> Firewire-interface.
>>>
>>> Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great.
>>> It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and
>>> soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Options:
1) Use a new distro that some say is great !  ( a new clone of
 ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option

>>>
>>> Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands,
>>> for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did
>>> work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to
>>> support the same as good.
>>>
>>> 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff,
 maybe all
 you need- realistic option

>>>
>>> Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not
>>> work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others.
>>>
>>> 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API   -
 unrealistic
 option

>>>
>>> I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API"  Jack
>>> and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found
>>> a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these
>>> APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is
>>> irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either).
>>>
>>>
 Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience.

>>>
>>> *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this.
>>>
>>>  Ubuntu/Linux is
 supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is
 not
 one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected.

>>>
>>> In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants
>>> did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse?
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build.
 You
 can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS
 layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to
 work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !

>>>
>>> What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your
>>> interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of
>>> MacOSX?
>>>
>>> Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such
>>> issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion,
>>> that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians
>>>
>>>
>>>  , why
 ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the
 kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are
 not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu
 Studio.

>>>
>>> I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse.
>>>
>>> be