Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Thanks Erich, and honestly, I don't read the release notes or pay too much attention to the OS I use. For me, Linux is Linux, regardless of the OS on top of it. I use your distro because it has all the A/V utilites and graphic apps all in one well done OS. Didn't mean to cause any issues, just for me, that is what I would have done. I have been using Linux since before Debian existed, so I tend to do things old school. Might not be the best way to do things but old habits die hard and I am quickly becoming an old dog. :) Jon -Original Message- From: Erich Eickmeyer Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users To: Ubuntu Studio Users Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 17:02:39 -0700 Yes, Jon. All of the above. That was spelled-out three years ago with the release of Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS as well as with every subsequent release since in the release notes (example from 22.04 LTS): "Due to the change in desktop environment, direct upgrades to Ubuntu Studio 22.04 LTS from versions prior to 21.10 are unsupported." It really doesn't matter why. We came to this decision *as a team* (I don't operate alone). The Lubuntu team had gone before us with the switch from LXDE to LXQt and had to do the same thing by not supporting direct upgrades from LXDE to LXQt either between 18.04 and 18.10 and took their advice not to support direct, in-place upgrades. If we were to switch default desktop environments, we would make the same decision again. When switching desktop environments, there's just too much that can go wrong during an upgrade. This was in the release announcement for every release after 20.04. We mentioned that we would not support direct, in-place upgrades. The solution is backup and reinstall, no matter the desktop environment you wish to stay with. This is because the metapackage "ubuntustudio- desktop" *will* pull-in KDE Plasma components beginning with 20.10, so those wishing to stay with Xfce need to backup and install Xubuntu + Ubuntu Studio Installer, while those wishing to go the KDE Plasma route need to backup and install Ubuntu Studio. All of this was outlined in the release announcements, the release notes, and everything for the past three years, so this should come as zero surprise. The release announcement was sent-out via this very mailing list and was syndicated via Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, and Planet Ubuntu. I don't know how on earth this could have been announced any louder or clearer. -- Erich Eickmeyer Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio Technical Lead - Edubuntu On Sat, Apr 29 2023 at 06:41:25 PM -05:00:00, Jon wrote: > Ok, sorry Erich. > > So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and > install > an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing > XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have > a > good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple > dependencies for the software, being able to support users without > trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc. > > Jon > > -Original Message- > From: Erich Eickmeyer > Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users > To: Ubuntu Studio Users > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04 > Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700 > > What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying > attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years? > > We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's > Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution. > > 1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop) > 2) Install ubuntustudio-installer > 3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio > Installer! > > This is all outlined > on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to > from > the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go > through all of the stuff you're going through! > > I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the > website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe, > just > *maybe* there's a simple solution! > > I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* > for > the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention? > People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the > most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of > their faces all along? I simply don't get it! > > *throws hands in the air* > > You're welcome! > -- > Erich Eickmeyer > Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio > Technical Lead - Edubuntu > > On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon > wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon > > Reply-To: j...@destar.net,
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Ok, sorry Erich.
So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and install
an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have a
good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.
Jon
-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users
To: Ubuntu Studio Users
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700
What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years?
We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.
1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
Installer!
This is all outlined
on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to from
the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go
through all of the stuff you're going through!
I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe, just
*maybe* there's a simple solution!
I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* for
the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention?
People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the
most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of
their faces all along? I simply don't get it!
*throws hands in the air*
You're welcome!
--
Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu
On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon
wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon
> Reply-To: j...@destar.net, Ubuntu Studio Users
>
> To: ""James Harkins"" , ubuntu-studio-users
>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ""James Harkins""
> To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users
>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800
>
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800 Jon wrote ---
>
> > Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your
> > window
> > manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you
> > require?
>
> Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part
> of
> my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
> listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
> decidedly not been an improvement.)
>
> Online, I see
> https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
> apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
> advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu
> Studio
> Installer to change it."
>
> So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
> over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
> least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
> Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
> long it takes).
>
> hjh
>
> Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
> users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
> overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
> login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it
> would
> be as simple as:
>
> apt update && apt upgrade
> apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> reboot
>
> Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
> saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think
> it
> may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If
> you
> are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
> manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers.
>
> You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
> laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
> through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
> cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
> about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
> you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?
>
> Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
> have better ideas to help troubleshoot, bu
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
-Original Message-
From: Jon
Reply-To: j...@destar.net, Ubuntu Studio Users
To: ""James Harkins"" , ubuntu-studio-users
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500
-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins""
To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800
---- On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800 Jon wrote ---
> Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
> manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?
Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part of
my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
decidedly not been an improvement.)
Online, I see
https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio
Installer to change it."
So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
long it takes).
hjh
Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it would
be as simple as:
apt update && apt upgrade
apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
reboot
Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If you
are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers.
You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?
Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
have better ideas to help troubleshoot, but I usually solve 95% of my
issues at that starting point.
Regardless of th linux OS I use, I always install XFCE. I don't want to
waste resources on pretty colors or bouncing windows. I want all
resources for Audio/Video/Graphics applications.
HtH,
Jon
Always wisdom in the 'Enter' key and the 'Send' button.
Better idea, setup KVM or some other virtualization system and install
Ubuntu 22.04, then go to town. If you wreck it, start over, no harm
done. Then you have an environment to test all you want without ever
touching your workstation
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins""
To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800
On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800 Jon wrote ---
> Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
> manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?
Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part of
my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
decidedly not been an improvement.)
Online, I see
https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio
Installer to change it."
So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
long it takes).
hjh
Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it would
be as simple as:
apt update && apt upgrade
apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
reboot
Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If you
are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers.
You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?
Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
have better ideas to help troubleshoot, but I usually solve 95% of my
issues at that starting point.
Regardless of th linux OS I use, I always install XFCE. I don't want to
waste resources on pretty colors or bouncing windows. I want all
resources for Audio/Video/Graphics applications.
HtH,
Jon
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
-Original Message- From: ""James Harkins"" Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users To: Ubuntu Studio Users Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:59:35 +0800 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 09:21:06 +0800 "James Harkins" wrote --- > Just went a couple weeks without a Plasma f***up and just now... > browsing files on an external HDD... freeze. Everything frozen. > Reboot. I'm just lucky it didn't bork the whole external disk. Just happened again. No external HDD this time, just typing into a SuperCollider window. Suddenly keystrokes and mouse clicks were doing nothing. So here's a problem I have... a lot of forums, especially PHP based ones, have anti-spam plugins that deny all IP addresses from mainland China where I live, *and* also deny VPNs. Because of this, I am unable to register for the KDE forums, and I am also unable to talk to anyone at the KDE forums to do anything about this. So I'd like to ask... could someone set up a user account on the KDE forums for me? PM me...? Please? I'm desperate...? I am going to need support for this. Otherwise I'll have to switch to another distribution. I have loved Ubuntu Studio for years but I can't accept this. Two catastrophic freezes in one day means it could happen onstage, and I don't know why this is happening or how to prevent it. hjh Hi James, Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require? Jon -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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