Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. I will be really really really interested on the real statistics. Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack + Pulseaudio for example. What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? I really challenge you to find one popular external sound interface that is not supported in MacOSX. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
So, if I ready correctly: Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !, why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza tezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver, accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start ffado-mixer first.) I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24 minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!), jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up, too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the | button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal and resort to kill -9 again. The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead? -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety,
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
I have the crazy idea that Ubuntu Studio should be user oriented. If that was the case, ubuntu studio needs to solve two really big issues: 1) complexity: PA vs Jack = ubuntu studio vs the user, Windows and Mac will win 2) stability: jacks crashes, timidity crashes, etc. Shouldn't JACK+Timidity start with init.d and be stable, working without issues with PA ? My Two cents. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:53 PM, teza tsalio...@orange.fr wrote: Le 07/06/2010 22:29, Hartmut Noack a écrit : Am 07.06.2010 21:46, schrieb Scott Lavender: As project lead I hope to provide active, direct leadership in a transparent manner. Transparency is indeed crucial. It is a major advantage of free software and I think it could be pushed some more in Ubuntu overall. Personally I have noticed your efforts in that field and appreciate them a lot :-) We are working on JACK and Pulse Audio integration via dbus and the Alpha 1 ISO is available for all to begin testing. Obviously finding stable integration between JACK and Pulse Audio would be a marked improvement in usability. I love to see this improve but still I think, it will not be easy to diminish the hatred against PA that many users have accumulated. The overall design of PA is capable to solve many many problems for Linux Audio and I think, we have no better approach and I am sure, that nobdy on earth really wants any all new experiments so PA should be pushed I think. BUT to gain the trust of the users PA must become much more user-configurable then before. The first step should be a disable PA-switch in a decent, accessible GUI (could be a mixer). This should be possible *without* removing PA alltogether and PA should be really absolute passive if this switch is flicked by the user. LV2 plugins are another area of improvement. We began packaging these last cycle and continue this cycle. That is very good news :-) Can we have the all-new CALF-stuff from SVN? Please let us know how we can improve Ubuntu Studio for you, just remember that we work within the Ubuntu paradigm, so all improvements must comply with those systemic restrictions (e.g. all applications in the official repositories). Guitarix is very important and it makes astounding progress at the moment. Brummer and freinds made this little crushing amp a veritable powerstack usable for serious studio-use with full MIDI-learn, built-in convolution-engine and many other pro-grade features. And i have to stress this again: the new CALF-Plugins that are in the works now will be a revolution in the world of native plugins for Linux. Some are entirely new like the sidechain-compressor, others replace bit-rotten LADSPA-plugins that do not work anymore like the powerfull deesser. And most of them work allready: http://lapoc.de/img/calf-new10.png best regs HZN/Berlin Hi, I agree for Guitarix this software made a big jump lately. Where did you find the calf plugin you show in the picture? Thanks Best Regards Teza -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Nuestra recompensa se encuentra en el esfuerzo y no en el resultado. Un esfuerzo total es una victoria completa. --Gandhi -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
What's wrong with jack ?
Hi all, Jack is used for everything, it just seems to be the standard for anything related to audio in linux, BUT it doesn't work out of the box in Ubuntu Studio, which for me seems like a huge contradiction, you have everything that works with jack, but jack doesn't work :S Am I supposed to *rm /usr/bin/pulseaudio* to make jack work ?, or it is just that Ubuntu Studio is not ready to be used for music production in a real sense ? = it is just for testing and experimenting Thanks. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
