Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Packaging with the easy tools and for PPA has some disadvantages. For > example with PPA, the packages are not well tested on the different > Ubuntu editions... Point of interest, *anything* built in PPA or from the archive will work with any of the *buntus that care to keep compatibility. Just like Debian. Packages are tested as well as the community cares to. Same as Debian. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Grammostola Rosea >>> wrote: >>> >>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Cory K. wrote: > > >> I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had >> like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add >> another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between >> Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. >> >> Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? >> >> >> >> > Yes, let's hope so. > I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it > today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will > take a look at rakarrack. > > The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that > you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like > I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can > stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for > building multimedia packages. > > Come on people > * > One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! > > *All the best. > > \r > > > @ Cory and others, Do you know multimedia packages which are in Debian and not in Ubuntu or vice versa? >>> I would definitely want to package for debian, and then have packages >>> synced to ubuntu automatically. I'm currently packaging pencil for >>> ubuntu, and will probably try to repackage it for debian further down >>> the road. >>> My problem with debian packaging currently, is that I'm not at all >>> familiar with the tools and so on. I simply don't feel at home. >>> >>> With Ubuntu I have two invaluable tools: prevu and the PPA. Prevu >>> (which is a wrapper of sorts around pbuilder), because it's the first >>> thing I came over, and it's so simple to use that I haven't bothered >>> learning pbuilder. Also, launchpad is neat, I can't get used to the >>> email based BTS of debian's. >>> >>> However, I have my mind set on learning and getting used to the debian >>> way of things. As soon as I find the time. >>> >>> >>> >> You're right if you say that building your first package for Debian will >> cost you more time and effort. >> But when you build the packages 'The Debian way' you got quality >> packages for sure! It also improves you Debian skills and so also your >> Ubuntu skills! >> >> Packaging with the easy tools and for PPA has some disadvantages. For >> example with PPA, the packages are not well tested on the different >> Ubuntu editions... >> >> I think to start with email could be neat, but after you're used to it, >> you don't want different I think ;) >> >> Btw I discovered you got some nice help from the Debian Multimedia Team >> and also from Debian mentors with building your (first) packages!! >> >> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome >> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ment...@lists.debian.org/info.html >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> \r >> >> ps. nice pbuilder howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto >> >> >> > O and make sure you read this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ > > This seems to be a bit difficult compared to the Ubuntu documentation. > But if you take your time and take out the main parts, you can start to > build your package and ask the Debian Multimedia Team (there is a newbie > discussion right now there) or the Debian mentors mailinglist for > assistance. I think there are also a lot of people who uses Ubuntu too. > > \r > Thanks for all the links. I'll get busy with all this as soon as I find the time :-) K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Grammostola Rosea >> wrote: >> >> >>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>> >>> Cory K. wrote: > I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had > like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add > another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between > Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. > > Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? > > > > Yes, let's hope so. I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will take a look at rakarrack. The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for building multimedia packages. Come on people * One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! *All the best. \r >>> @ Cory and others, >>> >>> Do you know multimedia packages which are in Debian and not in Ubuntu or >>> vice versa? >>> >>> >>> >> I would definitely want to package for debian, and then have packages >> synced to ubuntu automatically. I'm currently packaging pencil for >> ubuntu, and will probably try to repackage it for debian further down >> the road. >> My problem with debian packaging currently, is that I'm not at all >> familiar with the tools and so on. I simply don't feel at home. >> >> With Ubuntu I have two invaluable tools: prevu and the PPA. Prevu >> (which is a wrapper of sorts around pbuilder), because it's the first >> thing I came over, and it's so simple to use that I haven't bothered >> learning pbuilder. Also, launchpad is neat, I can't get used to the >> email based BTS of debian's. >> >> However, I have my mind set on learning and getting used to the debian >> way of things. As soon as I find the time. >> >> >> > You're right if you say that building your first package for Debian will > cost you more time and effort. > But when you build the packages 'The Debian way' you got quality > packages for sure! It also improves you Debian skills and so also your > Ubuntu skills! > > Packaging with the easy tools and for PPA has some disadvantages. For > example with PPA, the packages are not well tested on the different > Ubuntu editions... > > I think to start with email could be neat, but after you're used to it, > you don't want different I think ;) > > Btw I discovered you got some nice help from the Debian Multimedia Team > and also from Debian mentors with building your (first) packages!! > > http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome > http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ment...@lists.debian.org/info.html > > > Good luck! > > \r > > ps. nice pbuilder howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto > > > O and make sure you read this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ This seems to be a bit difficult compared to the Ubuntu documentation. But if you take your time and take out the main parts, you can start to build your package and ask the Debian Multimedia Team (there is a newbie discussion right now there) or the Debian mentors mailinglist for assistance. I think there are also a lot of people who uses Ubuntu too. \r -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Grammostola Rosea > wrote: > >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >>> Cory K. wrote: >>> I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? >>> Yes, let's hope so. >>> I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it >>> today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will >>> take a look at rakarrack. >>> >>> The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that >>> you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like >>> I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can >>> stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for >>> building multimedia packages. >>> >>> Come on people >>> * >>> One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! >>> >>> *All the best. >>> >>> \r >>> >>> >> @ Cory and others, >> >> Do you know multimedia packages which are in Debian and not in Ubuntu or >> vice versa? >> >> > I would definitely want to package for debian, and then have packages > synced to ubuntu automatically. I'm currently packaging pencil for > ubuntu, and will probably try to repackage it for debian further down > the road. > My problem with debian packaging currently, is that I'm not at all > familiar with the tools and so on. I simply don't feel at home. > > With Ubuntu I have two invaluable tools: prevu and the PPA. Prevu > (which is a wrapper of sorts around pbuilder), because it's the first > thing I came over, and it's so simple to use that I haven't bothered > learning pbuilder. Also, launchpad is neat, I can't get used to the > email based BTS of debian's. > > However, I have my mind set on learning and getting used to the debian > way of things. As soon as I find the time. > > You're right if you say that building your first package for Debian will cost you more time and effort. But when you build the packages 'The Debian way' you got quality packages for sure! It also improves you Debian skills and so also your Ubuntu skills! Packaging with the easy tools and for PPA has some disadvantages. For example with PPA, the packages are not well tested on the different Ubuntu editions... I think to start with email could be neat, but after you're used to it, you don't want different I think ;) Btw I discovered you got some nice help from the Debian Multimedia Team and also from Debian mentors with building your (first) packages!! http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ment...@lists.debian.org/info.html Good luck! \r ps. nice pbuilder howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> Cory K. wrote: >>> I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had >>> like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add >>> another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between >>> Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. >>> >>> Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? >>> >>> >> Yes, let's hope so. >> I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it >> today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will >> take a look at rakarrack. >> >> The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that >> you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like >> I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can >> stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for >> building multimedia packages. >> >> Come on people >> * >> One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! >> >> *All the best. >> >> \r >> > @ Cory and others, > > Do you know multimedia packages which are in Debian and not in Ubuntu or > vice versa? > I would definitely want to package for debian, and then have packages synced to ubuntu automatically. I'm currently packaging pencil for ubuntu, and will probably try to repackage it for debian further down the road. My problem with debian packaging currently, is that I'm not at all familiar with the tools and so on. I simply don't feel at home. With Ubuntu I have two invaluable tools: prevu and the PPA. Prevu (which is a wrapper of sorts around pbuilder), because it's the first thing I came over, and it's so simple to use that I haven't bothered learning pbuilder. Also, launchpad is neat, I can't get used to the email based BTS of debian's. However, I have my mind set on learning and getting used to the debian way of things. As soon as I find the time. Regards, Khashayar -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Cory K. wrote: >> I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had >> like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add >> another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between >> Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. >> >> Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? >> >> > Yes, let's hope so. > I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it > today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will > take a look at rakarrack. > > The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that > you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like > I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can > stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for > building multimedia packages. > > Come on people > * > One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! > > *All the best. > > \r > @ Cory and others, Do you know multimedia packages which are in Debian and not in Ubuntu or vice versa? \r -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Cory K. wrote: > I really hope this come to something. Since I started Studio I've had > like 3 people that worked out packaging-wise. It would be great to add > another person or 2. Unfortunately, getting people to work between > Debian/Ubuntu is a commitment most people just don't wanna bother with. > > Are you on the Debian multimedia team currently? > > Yes, let's hope so. I'm not official in the Debian Multimedia Team, but I started with it today actually. I'm trying to build klick (metronome) and maybe will take a look at rakarrack. The great thing about building for the Debian Multimedia Team is that you work in a team, so you get easily assistance and help. Also, like I said, you don't have to become a full Debian developer, you just can stay a package maintainer, which gives a lot opportunities for building multimedia packages. Come on people * One Debian/Ubuntu-multimedia-user, One package! *All the best. \r -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Hi Ubuntero's, > > A lot of the packages in Ubuntu are coming directly from Debian > (unstable). This also counts for the multimedia packages which are in > Ubuntu Studio. Those multimedia packages are packed by the members of > the Debian Multimedia Team. > > There are a lot of multimedia packages build by the Debian Multimedia > Team, but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet and so also > not in Ubuntu (Studio). So the Debian Multimedia Team can use some more > people who like to take care of one multimedia package which you uses a > lot and which is not in Debian and Ubuntu yet. > > *Why should a Ubuntero join the Debian Multimedia Team?* > > 1) It will improve Ubuntu for multimedia production (you know Ubuntu > uses the packages from Debian (unstable) > 2) It will improve not only Ubuntu but also Debian and many other > derivatives. So it will improve the quality of the state of multimedia > software on Linux in general. > 3) you learn to build great quality packages. > > *Other advantages?* > > Yes, in Debian it is possible to just be a package maintainer. So you > just pick one package which you will maintain. You don't have to become > a Debian Developer (DD). > There is great support by the Debian Multimedia Team and the Debian > mentors (mailinglist). > > *Why not building packages for my own Ubuntu PPA repo? > > *This is ok of course, but is has serious disadvantages: > > a) the packages are in general less safe and stable > b) the packages are not tested by many people > c) it is not desirable to have a widespread of thousands private repo's, > it's far more better to bundle forces. > > > *What can I do? * > > 1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's > recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often. > 2) Report bugs and wishes > 3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers > > *Where can I find more info?* > > Wiki: > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia > > Building packages for Debian (unstable) on Ubuntu: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto > > Packaging: > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging > > Existing packages which needs help: > http://wnpp.debian.net/ > > Debian New Maintainers' guide: > http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!) > > Bugs: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-multimedia%40lists.debian.org&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable > > > > > It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and > maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality > of Linux audio and it will help the whole community! > I'm a musician, but I mean not only audio here, but multimedia ;) > > Thanks in advance, > > Rooz > > ps. If you like to join, please subscribe to the Debian Multimedia Team > mailinglist and ask for more information: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Join the Debian Multimedia Team!
Hi Ubuntero's, A lot of the packages in Ubuntu are coming directly from Debian (unstable). This also counts for the multimedia packages which are in Ubuntu Studio. Those multimedia packages are packed by the members of the Debian Multimedia Team. There are a lot of multimedia packages build by the Debian Multimedia Team, but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet and so also not in Ubuntu (Studio). So the Debian Multimedia Team can use some more people who like to take care of one multimedia package which you uses a lot and which is not in Debian and Ubuntu yet. *Why should a Ubuntero join the Debian Multimedia Team?* 1) It will improve Ubuntu for multimedia production (you know Ubuntu uses the packages from Debian (unstable) 2) It will improve not only Ubuntu but also Debian and many other derivatives. So it will improve the quality of the state of multimedia software on Linux in general. 3) you learn to build great quality packages. *Other advantages?* Yes, in Debian it is possible to just be a package maintainer. So you just pick one package which you will maintain. You don't have to become a Debian Developer (DD). There is great support by the Debian Multimedia Team and the Debian mentors (mailinglist). *Why not building packages for my own Ubuntu PPA repo? *This is ok of course, but is has serious disadvantages: a) the packages are in general less safe and stable b) the packages are not tested by many people c) it is not desirable to have a widespread of thousands private repo's, it's far more better to bundle forces. *What can I do? * 1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often. 2) Report bugs and wishes 3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers *Where can I find more info?* Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Building packages for Debian (unstable) on Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto Packaging: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging Existing packages which needs help: http://wnpp.debian.net/ Debian New Maintainers' guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!) Bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-multimedia%40lists.debian.org&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality of Linux audio and it will help the whole community! Thanks in advance, Rooz ps. If you like to join, please subscribe to the Debian Multimedia Team mailinglist and ask for more information: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
