Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-05 Thread Juan Hernandez
cool

2009/2/3 Larry David 

>
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Sean Edwards wrote:
>
> > When I first started with Linux in 1994, the only documentation
> > available was a readme file. And before I became proficient with
> > the fips utility, I did trash a few 20MB and 40MB hard drives.
> > Kernel compile time on a 386SX was measured in DAYS and getting a
> > serial modem to work involved duct tape, bailing wire and a rubber
> > chicken!
>
> I can't see how a rubber chicken would be useful in getting a modem
> running; I just can't.  :-P
>
> >
> > When it was easy to hack on to the internet (mostly human
> > engineering a phone number userid and password from a university),
> > I stumbled upon The Linux Documentation Project.  For a noob, there
> > is still a lot of good information therel.  Some if it is a little
> > dated, but sit down at that site with some coffee and read.  A
> > whole world of understanding will open up to you: http://tldp.org/
>
> Sweet, thanks for the link - reminds me of A Beginners Guide To HTML
> that I found in 1995 when I was appointed the "webmaster" of my group
> at GM - though I was just a glorified tube jockey (aka CAD operator),
> not an admin.  "Hey Larry, figure this 'web' thing out and make us a
> 'home page' - with a cool picture of a Sunfire on it..."
>
> ld
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> > -=Sean Edwards=-
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-04 Thread Sean Edwards
The rubber chicken ritual developed when the awful WinModem technology
came out and you had to patch your own kernel.  If I remember
correctly, I had to do that with certain nVidia video cards too.

I'm Steve and I'm a SuperVillain! http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54

-=Sean Edwards=-


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Subject: Re: Learning Linux


>I can't see how a rubber chicken would be useful in getting a modem  
>running; I just can't.  :-P

It's part of the voodoo ritual that really keeps the whole thing working...

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-04 Thread sue...@empire.net

>I can't see how a rubber chicken would be useful in getting a modem  
>running; I just can't.  :-P

It's part of the voodoo ritual that really keeps the whole thing working...

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-03 Thread Larry David
Good to know - is there anything tricky you have found about running  
PPC Linux (or whatever its called) on your G3 machine?  Mine I think  
is a 400Mz with about 700M of RAM.

ld

On Feb 3, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Sean Edwards wrote:

> I have a G3 Blue and White running Debian because I don't have the  
> time to tweak a real-time kernel for it right now.  Sometimes I use  
> ecasound on the command line for mastering from my analog mixer.
>
> -=Sean Edwards=-
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Larry David 
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion  us...@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:51:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Learning Linux
>
> Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will
> probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I
> assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to
> learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.
>
> ld
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David
>>  wrote:
>>> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
>>> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
>>> installing and troubleshooting UBS?
>>
>> Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out.
>> It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do
>> that.
>> I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble
>> shooting
>> in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation
>> in easiness is
>> installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays.
>> Ubuntu is really easy
>> to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do
>> programming yourself to use
>> the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those
>> times are long gone.
>> There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and  
>> the
>> time it has
>> been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting
>> on each release better and better.
>> The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better
>> at amazing rate.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Karoliina Salminen
>> (running couple of Ubuntu computers)
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-03 Thread Larry David

On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Sean Edwards wrote:

> When I first started with Linux in 1994, the only documentation  
> available was a readme file. And before I became proficient with  
> the fips utility, I did trash a few 20MB and 40MB hard drives.   
> Kernel compile time on a 386SX was measured in DAYS and getting a  
> serial modem to work involved duct tape, bailing wire and a rubber  
> chicken!

I can't see how a rubber chicken would be useful in getting a modem  
running; I just can't.  :-P

>
> When it was easy to hack on to the internet (mostly human  
> engineering a phone number userid and password from a university),  
> I stumbled upon The Linux Documentation Project.  For a noob, there  
> is still a lot of good information therel.  Some if it is a little  
> dated, but sit down at that site with some coffee and read.  A  
> whole world of understanding will open up to you: http://tldp.org/

Sweet, thanks for the link - reminds me of A Beginners Guide To HTML  
that I found in 1995 when I was appointed the "webmaster" of my group  
at GM - though I was just a glorified tube jockey (aka CAD operator),  
not an admin.  "Hey Larry, figure this 'web' thing out and make us a  
'home page' - with a cool picture of a Sunfire on it..."

ld

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-03 Thread Sean Edwards
When I first started with Linux in 1994, the only documentation available was a 
readme file. And before I became proficient with the fips utility, I did trash 
a few 20MB and 40MB hard drives.  Kernel compile time on a 386SX was measured 
in DAYS and getting a serial modem to work involved duct tape, bailing wire and 
a rubber chicken!

When it was easy to hack on to the internet (mostly human engineering a phone 
number userid and password from a university), I stumbled upon The Linux 
Documentation Project.  For a noob, there is still a lot of good information 
therel.  Some if it is a little dated, but sit down at that site with some 
coffee and read.  A whole world of understanding will open up to you: 
http://tldp.org/

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-03 Thread Sean Edwards
I have a G3 Blue and White running Debian because I don't have the time to 
tweak a real-time kernel for it right now.  Sometimes I use ecasound on the 
command line for mastering from my analog mixer.

-=Sean Edwards=-



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From: Larry David 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 

Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:51:43 PM
Subject: Re: Learning Linux

Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will  
probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I  
assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to  
learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.

ld

On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David  
>  wrote:
>> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
>> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
>> installing and troubleshooting UBS?
>
> Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out.
> It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do  
> that.
> I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble  
> shooting
> in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation
> in easiness is
> installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays.
> Ubuntu is really easy
> to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do
> programming yourself to use
> the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those
> times are long gone.
> There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and the
> time it has
> been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting
> on each release better and better.
> The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better
> at amazing rate.
>
> Best Regards,
> Karoliina Salminen
> (running couple of Ubuntu computers)
>
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Larry David
Thanks Gustin, that looks like just the sort of stuff I was looking  
for.  I'll give those a go.

ld

On Feb 2, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Gustin Johnson wrote:

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> Larry David wrote:
>> Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will
>> probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I
>> assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to
>> learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.
>>
> Bash Beginners Guide:
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/
>
> Once you start it is hard to stop, so this makes for a natural  
> continuation:
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/
>
> - From here Python has an excellent online tutorial, that I would
> recommend if you want to go further:
>
> http://www.python.org/doc/
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Gustin Johnson
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Larry David wrote:
> Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will  
> probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I  
> assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to  
> learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.
> 
Bash Beginners Guide:
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/

Once you start it is hard to stop, so this makes for a natural continuation:
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/

- From here Python has an excellent online tutorial, that I would
recommend if you want to go further:

http://www.python.org/doc/

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread alex stone
http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html

This may be useful,

Alex.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Larry David wrote:

> Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will
> probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I
> assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to
> learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.
>
> ld
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David
> >  wrote:
> >> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
> >> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
> >> installing and troubleshooting UBS?
> >
> > Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out.
> > It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do
> > that.
> > I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble
> > shooting
> > in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation
> > in easiness is
> > installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays.
> > Ubuntu is really easy
> > to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do
> > programming yourself to use
> > the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those
> > times are long gone.
> > There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and the
> > time it has
> > been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting
> > on each release better and better.
> > The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better
> > at amazing rate.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Karoliina Salminen
> > (running couple of Ubuntu computers)
> >
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Larry David
Thanks - I was thinking more of command line stuff I guess.  I will  
probably try to load Ubuntu on my old G3 iMac as an experiment, and I  
assume I will be able to grok the GUI and use apps, etc.  I want to  
learn lower-level stuff so I can maintain my own system, etc.

ld

On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David  
>  wrote:
>> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
>> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
>> installing and troubleshooting UBS?
>
> Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out.
> It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do  
> that.
> I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble  
> shooting
> in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation
> in easiness is
> installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays.
> Ubuntu is really easy
> to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do
> programming yourself to use
> the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those
> times are long gone.
> There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and the
> time it has
> been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting
> on each release better and better.
> The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better
> at amazing rate.
>
> Best Regards,
> Karoliina Salminen
> (running couple of Ubuntu computers)
>
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Christopher Stamper
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Cory K.  wrote:

> Larry David wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Stamper wrote:
> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David
> >>  wrote:
> >> > I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
> >> > book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
> >> > installing and troubleshooting UBS?
> >>
> >> What do you mean by UBS? A typo?
> >
> > Sorry, I though UBS was an acronym for Ubuntu Studio - at least I
> > think I've seen it used that way.  In any case, that's what I meant.
>
> It is, and Christopher shoulda easily figured that out. ;) I just think
> he wants to be a pain sometimes. :P


Wrong. I honestly didn't know. And google didn't help either. However, it
did come across my mind, after I had hit send...



For myself, I learned 'UBS' by installing it and just spending some time
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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Cory K.
Larry David wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Stamper wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David
>>  wrote:
>> > I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
>> > book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
>> > installing and troubleshooting UBS?
>>
>> What do you mean by UBS? A typo?
>
> Sorry, I though UBS was an acronym for Ubuntu Studio - at least I
> think I've seen it used that way.  In any case, that's what I meant.

It is, and Christopher shoulda easily figured that out. ;) I just think
he wants to be a pain sometimes. :P


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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Larry David


On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Stamper wrote:




On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen  
 wrote:

Hello,

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David  
 wrote:

> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
> installing and troubleshooting UBS?

What do you mean by UBS? A typo?


Sorry, I though UBS was an acronym for Ubuntu Studio - at least I  
think I've seen it used that way.  In any case, that's what I meant.


ld




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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Marco-Alexander Laspe
Larry David wrote:
> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a  
> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable  
> installing and troubleshooting UBS?
> 
> I have read Wikipedia's entry, and have learned a lot from this list,  
> but I'd like to get fully up to speed.  I have some programming/Unix  
> background, but don't do it for a living.
> 
> Thanks,
> ld
> 
http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index.html

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Christopher Stamper
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Karoliina Salminen <
karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David 
> wrote:
> > I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
> > book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
> > installing and troubleshooting UBS?
>

What do you mean by UBS? A typo?

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Re: Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Karoliina Salminen
Hello,

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Larry David  wrote:
> I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a
> book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable
> installing and troubleshooting UBS?

Well, just download the Ubuntu CD and try it out.
It is so easy to use and install, that you don't need a book to do that.
I would bet that these days one needs more mouse clicks and trouble shooting
in installing Windows. The only thing that beats Ubuntu installation
in easiness is
installing the MacOSX. But the difference is quite thin nowadays.
Ubuntu is really easy
to install and work on. You don't need to compile kernels and do
programming yourself to use
the Ubuntu. Linux used to be like that a long time ago, but those
times are long gone.
There was long a discussion if Linux is ready for desktop use, and the
time it has
been ready has been now already couple of years and Ubuntu is getting
on each release better and better.
The 6 month release cycle is very rapid and things change for better
at amazing rate.

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
(running couple of Ubuntu computers)

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Learning Linux

2009-02-02 Thread Larry David
I hope this isn't too noobish for the list - can anyone recommend a  
book or a website to learn Linux - enough to be comfortable  
installing and troubleshooting UBS?

I have read Wikipedia's entry, and have learned a lot from this list,  
but I'd like to get fully up to speed.  I have some programming/Unix  
background, but don't do it for a living.

Thanks,
ld

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