Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On 2015-11-03 21:53, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:27:38 +0100, set wrote:
>> How do you calibrate your screen and printer to be accurate
>> against the standard?
>
> Wow, I wasn't aware that for Linux it's not that easy to do.
Maybe it is easy. I have never done it.
For print i've worked by learning how my software and screen works with
the printer i have, then handing over my work to the photolithographist
if put in offset production. In pantone cases, i use black and white +/-
look-a-likeish color. Client is referred to pantone and paper catalog.
But most of the times it will go to a giant lazerprinter that read pdf
pretty good. For digitally displayed graphics, i check with all the
different devices i can.
But truth is haven't been in an offset power-plant since pre 2010, and i
realize much must have happened with the technology. :)
I hope this discussion develops and turns into nice documentation. about it.
> There is a Linux solution for monitors, that might not be as good as
> cheap Windows and Mac solutions.
> http://www.hughski.com/index.html
is it a recomendation? It looks like a candidate for a screen
calibration party. :D
> While doing the Internet research I found something unintentionally
> hilarious:
>
> https://www.pantone.com/color-of-the-year?from=topNav
ha! it's funny coz it's tragic. ("^v^)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:27:38 +0100, set wrote: >How do you calibrate your screen and printer to be accurate >against the standard? Wow, I wasn't aware that for Linux it's not that easy to do. There is a Linux solution for monitors, that might not be as good as cheap Windows and Mac solutions. http://www.hughski.com/index.html While doing the Internet research I found something unintentionally hilarious: https://www.pantone.com/color-of-the-year?from=topNav -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On 2015-11-03 19:52, argumento wrote: > There's a way of exporting (not saving) GIMP files to CMYK, it's a plug > in called separate+. Also, Krita manages CMYK in a very professional > fashion, I've printed flyers that were color managed in krita and the > result was flawless. That is GREAT! i had no idea krita managed this! By opening any file, it seems i can convert them to CMYK in Image>Properties and then saving them to TIFF! :) > Truth being said, Adobe's CMYK color profile is an industry standard, as > the Post Script technology was developed by Adobe. I would think that > using Pantone (also a closed, proprietary standard, therefore not > available in GIMP or Krita) is a bigger issue than CMYK. Anyway, > professional offset printing of files made with FLOSS is possible, > cumbersome if compared with Adobe's way of color managing, but possible > under professional standards none the less. Panton is indeed problematic. Since i've never had to use them in a situation with more then 3 colors, I've bypassed this with illustrations including gradients or photos by using the color channels and telling the printer what color is supposed to be which panton-swatch. But then again, in this scenario what you see on the screen is not the printed result and it is risky when the communication is not optimal with the printer. I should try to skip the photolito next time. :) argumento: How do you calibrate your screen and printer to be accurate against the standard? I usually show my clients the demo prints coming from my own printer, before we put into production. And this is why i go to the photolitho, i want the photolitho to make sure the image comes out like the client saw it come out from my printer. How do you proceed with this, if i may ask? Yours, Set -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
There's a way of exporting (not saving) GIMP files to CMYK, it's a plug in called separate+. Also, Krita manages CMYK in a very professional fashion, I've printed flyers that were color managed in krita and the result was flawless. Truth being said, Adobe's CMYK color profile is an industry standard, as the Post Script technology was developed by Adobe. I would think that using Pantone (also a closed, proprietary standard, therefore not available in GIMP or Krita) is a bigger issue than CMYK. Anyway, professional offset printing of files made with FLOSS is possible, cumbersome if compared with Adobe's way of color managing, but possible under professional standards none the less. If you weight in the evil in Adobe and the allegedly 'less intuitive' GUIs of FLOSS software, I think that FLOSS is definitely the wisest choice. On 03/11/15 04:39, George DiceGeorge wrote: >>> Adobe is the devil + much of the Adobe software could be replaced > without loss of tools needed by professionals. > > An expert told me that the biggest problem is that > gimp wont save as CMYK > > [george] > -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On 2015-11-03 11:39, George DiceGeorge wrote: > > An expert told me that the biggest problem is that > gimp wont save as CMYK Small, digtal-printing agencies have no problem dealing with RGB documents such as PDF, EPS, etc... But offset printers do. I have to say, i have never submitted a document i converted from RGB to CMYK by myself to an offset printing agency. Because of the high cost of offset, to be 100% sure the finished product gets the intended colors when printing in CMYK, i've always given my RGB documents to be converted by a photolithographer. Even so back when i used adobe. But they generaly charge you for that. Having the possiblity to create CMYK images with gimp, i would still face the problem of having a correctly and industry-standard callibrated screen and ink-jet printer. Not having these pieces of hardware, there is no garantee that my CMYK grafics will display color in the same way on my equipement as it will once printed in offset. *Set -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
Adobe is the devil + much of the Adobe software could be replaced without loss of tools needed by professionals. An expert told me that the biggest problem is that gimp wont save as CMYK [george] -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:41:09 +0100, set wrote: >On 2015-11-03 01:07, argumento wrote: >> Having said that, I don't think a moral or preachy approach to >> convince ppl of the power of Free and open Source software is >> useful, the best result's I've had is just showing off how much fun >> is the software and how many things you can do on Linux. I don't >> think Adobe tools or windows compatible games are a good reason to >> stay in Windows (or Mac), but sometimes it's hard to convince ppl, >> more so when they cling to what they are familiar with. So, where >> I'm going with this? I think that we just need to act cool and show >> around what we do with Ubuntu Studio and that that's argument >> enough. > >Sorry if i came off preachy, I thought i wrote the exact same thing as >you, except i don't know anything about games and virtualboxes. >But language is tricky. :) > >However, i ment to say that teaching how the tools work is a great way >to show what ubuntustudio can do. And in my experience, getting down on >a open OS and replacing the open tools with a virtual instances of >another but closed OS, is vowed to give problems. > >It's a fine line between being enthusiastic about your tools, and >preaching for them i guess. It's good however, to have reminders that >the preachy path is a bit an ineffective one. > >Have a good day y'all! FWIW the OP is not interested to discuss it (neither subscribed to an Ubuntu Studio mailing list ;), but I guess this must be ignored, since Adobe is the devil + much of the Adobe software could be replaced without loss of tools needed by professionals. The situation for graphic tools is much better than for video and audio. However, running the missing professional tools for audio and video won't work in a VM and I doubt it would work for high speed 3D games. Printing companies might require formats that aren't available by Linux, but creation of graphics with GIMP is as good as with PhotoShop. Professional cartoonists confirm this, they are just used to a version of PhotoShop, so usually they don't want to upgrade PhotoShop, let alone to migrate to GIMP. At best they migrate from Apple to Microsoft, but they do not migrate to Linux. However, if somebody wants to migrate from Apple or Microsoft to Linux, than it's grotesque to run software as a VM guest, that can be replaced by Linux software. Some software requires a dual or multi boot, just a few software does run using wine or it makes sense to run it as guest in a VM. Since Adobe software usually can be replaced by Linux software, it makes no sense to migrate to Linux and then to run this Adobe software in a VM. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On 2015-11-03 01:07, argumento wrote: > Hi there list. > > I used to be an adobe user, I even got certifications on PS, Ilustrator > and InDesign. I'm also a hard core gamer, and I play for hours on end. > > Since 2013 I'm on GNU/Linux, and since 2014 I'm using exclusively ubuntu > studio. I have over 42 linux compatible games in Steam, and more and > more titles are coming out every month (more so with steam machines). > There's also a bunch of Open Source games, although not as polished as > proprietary games, they are still a ton of fun (0 AD, UFO AI, > SuperTuxKart, etc). > > Adobe software is very powerful and stable, yet I think that with > training and perseverance GIMP, Inkscape, Blender and Scribus are as > powerful as anything Adobe carries (Inkscape, imo, is way better than > Ilustrator). Btw, have you considered helping the ubuntustudio PR-team? You have a very friendly writing tone and your experience with transfering from POS to FLOSS combined with your constructive stance on how to get the message out would be of great value! :) *Set -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
On 2015-11-03 01:07, argumento wrote: > Having said that, I don't think a moral or preachy approach to convince > ppl of the power of Free and open Source software is useful, the best > result's I've had is just showing off how much fun is the software and > how many things you can do on Linux. I don't think Adobe tools or > windows compatible games are a good reason to stay in Windows (or Mac), > but sometimes it's hard to convince ppl, more so when they cling to what > they are familiar with. So, where I'm going with this? I think that we > just need to act cool and show around what we do with Ubuntu Studio and > that that's argument enough. Sorry if i came off preachy, I thought i wrote the exact same thing as you, except i don't know anything about games and virtualboxes. But language is tricky. :) However, i ment to say that teaching how the tools work is a great way to show what ubuntustudio can do. And in my experience, getting down on a open OS and replacing the open tools with a virtual instances of another but closed OS, is vowed to give problems. It's a fine line between being enthusiastic about your tools, and preaching for them i guess. It's good however, to have reminders that the preachy path is a bit an ineffective one. Have a good day y'all! -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu/[ubuntu-studio-devel] [PR & support] Consider to drum up business now!
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:47:58 +0100, Ralf wrote to Ubuntu Studio devel: >Am I the only one subscribed to Ubuntu Studio lists who also >is subscribed to >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >? * The original thread was _not_ written to ubuntu-studio-users * ^^^ First mail ... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2015-November/282940.html followed by several replies, the last one was mine https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2015-November/282947.html I guess for PR it would be important if more of us would be subscribed to Ubuntu users too. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
Hi there list. I used to be an adobe user, I even got certifications on PS, Ilustrator and InDesign. I'm also a hard core gamer, and I play for hours on end. Since 2013 I'm on GNU/Linux, and since 2014 I'm using exclusively ubuntu studio. I have over 42 linux compatible games in Steam, and more and more titles are coming out every month (more so with steam machines). There's also a bunch of Open Source games, although not as polished as proprietary games, they are still a ton of fun (0 AD, UFO AI, SuperTuxKart, etc). Adobe software is very powerful and stable, yet I think that with training and perseverance GIMP, Inkscape, Blender and Scribus are as powerful as anything Adobe carries (Inkscape, imo, is way better than Ilustrator). Having said that, I don't think a moral or preachy approach to convince ppl of the power of Free and open Source software is useful, the best result's I've had is just showing off how much fun is the software and how many things you can do on Linux. I don't think Adobe tools or windows compatible games are a good reason to stay in Windows (or Mac), but sometimes it's hard to convince ppl, more so when they cling to what they are familiar with. So, where I'm going with this? I think that we just need to act cool and show around what we do with Ubuntu Studio and that that's argument enough. On 02/11/15 16:47, set wrote: > Amichai Rotman's friend said: > >> "I am sick of this POS OS i'd like you to install Ubuntu on my laptop, >> but I need to be able to use Adobe and my PC games on it." > > Amichai Rotman wrote: >> How to do it as _painless_ as possible? >> Should I use KVM or Virtualbox? > > I would dualboot if i was a gamer. I'm affraid i can't help you with > virtualbox or KVM. > >> Any pointers / ideas welcome! >> >> Thank you >> >> Amichai. > > I have helped many people to transfer to an open OS, *not* by making > them use open OS, but by making them use open tools. To my knowledge, > the only concrete differences between the adobe suit and the combo: > blender, gimp, inkscape, scribus, are a matter of GUI. Hence, > finaly,once they learn the tools, they find that the existing GNU/Linux > desktop running all these tools are perfectly suited for their creative > work. Because really, the creative work is in the tools and the user. > > By having worked with graphic design using ubuntustudio myself, i > believe a graphic designer will find _all_ the tools required for both > print and digital design. So my idea is to try learn your friend use the > tools available. :) > > > Librement yours, > Set Sakrecoer > -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
As a Nota Bene: Ubuntustudio is in the midst of an effort to actualize the documentation. Questions about graphic production (such as any other) workflows using the ubuntustudio tool-set are very wellcome, as usual. :) Yours, Set -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Creating a Windows VM Inside Ubuntu
Amichai Rotman's friend said: > "I am sick of this POS OS i'd like you to install Ubuntu on my laptop, > but I need to be able to use Adobe and my PC games on it." Amichai Rotman wrote: > How to do it as _painless_ as possible? > Should I use KVM or Virtualbox? I would dualboot if i was a gamer. I'm affraid i can't help you with virtualbox or KVM. > Any pointers / ideas welcome! > > Thank you > > Amichai. I have helped many people to transfer to an open OS, *not* by making them use open OS, but by making them use open tools. To my knowledge, the only concrete differences between the adobe suit and the combo: blender, gimp, inkscape, scribus, are a matter of GUI. Hence, finaly,once they learn the tools, they find that the existing GNU/Linux desktop running all these tools are perfectly suited for their creative work. Because really, the creative work is in the tools and the user. By having worked with graphic design using ubuntustudio myself, i believe a graphic designer will find _all_ the tools required for both print and digital design. So my idea is to try learn your friend use the tools available. :) Librement yours, Set Sakrecoer -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
