Re: Audio in Ubuntu Studio 12.10

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:22:10 +0100, Robin Darlington  
robindarling...@gmail.com wrote:



Hello,
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I just had a quick look at the  
website and did not find anything specific about this.


Is Real time audio working in Ubuntu Studio 12.10 ?

I have been using mainstream ubuntu for a while (since RT was broken in  
Studio) and have lost touch with the new releases. I would love to get a  
audio-friendly setup going again though!!


Thank you for your time.

Robin



low latency operation with realtime privilege for the user has been  
working fine for a while.


Ubuntu Studio ships with linux-lowlatency, which is not a -rt kernel, but  
quite well performing.


What you could do is download the live dvd, and try it before installing  
it to give it a go.


To get realtime privilege on regular Ubuntu, just install jackd, answer  
yes to realtime, and add yourself to audio group. Also, for better  
performance, install linux-lowlatency.


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Re: Audio interface analysis (AD/DA performance, preamp quality)

[Thijs van severen]

2012/8/2 Thomas Orgis thomas-fo...@orgis.org

 Hi folks,

 just a quick and hopefully easy question: What tool is there for
 Linux/JACK to do measurements of audio interface performance, comparable to
 what RightMark Audio Analyzer does? I'd like to measure data as displayed on

 http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20080728/44k.htm

 (at best a comparable methodology since RMAA seems to be some kind of
 standard for this).

 Of course I can generate some sine waves  sweeps and write programs to
 compare WAVs, but for sure there is some tool for GNU/Linux that has the
 procedure automated already, right?

 Another of course: Of course, I'd like the computed spectral data not
 only pictures but also as plain (ASCII) data, p.ex. to be able to subtract
 spectra to determine what a microphone does on its own before entering a
 specific preamp.


 Alrighty then,

 Thomas

 PS: And if you have used that program already, I'd be interested in
 comparing performance measurements of my low-grade stuff with your high-end
 gear;-)

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Hi Thomas

i cant help you with this  :-S
but if you dont get any reaction from this list i would suggest asking your
question on LAD (i know that there are several people on that list that
have experience with measurements and stuff like that)

grtz
Thijs

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Re: audio digitizers

[Tommy yeah]

I'm not completely sure if this device is supported. I have used similar usb
audio interfaces that worked flawlessly though such as the Tascam US-122 and
US-144. They were much more difficult to setup in Gutsy Gibbon when I first
started using them, but by 8.10 they seemed to work out of the box.
Have a great day,
Tommy

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Glenn Holmer shad...@lyonlabs.org wrote:

 Not specifically an Ubuntu Studio question, but does anybody know if
 devices like this work well with Linux?

 http://www.ionaudio.com/urecord

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Re: audio digitizers

[Kenneth Koym]

Glenn,
not sure but I do not know a reason it wouldn't work; what can you tell us
on using this gadget to digitize voice?
Kenneth (Linux registered user #  470205)

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Glenn Holmer shad...@lyonlabs.org wrote:

 Not specifically an Ubuntu Studio question, but does anybody know if
 devices like this work well with Linux?

 http://www.ionaudio.com/urecord

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Re: audio

[Susan Cragin]

Could be a pulseaudio problem. Try this:In terminal:sudo nano /etc/pulse/client.confUncomment the following line and change to "no"; autospawn = yesautospawn = norebootThen, before you start anything else, in terminal type killall pulseaudioThen see if that works. If it does, you can't run pulseaudio with wine and your application. If you get sound but it's faint, check alsamixer settings. -Original Message-
From: richel mobendza 
Sent: Oct 30, 2009 9:48 AM
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: audio

hi,after the upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, i haven't sound from my pc, what can i do for hear something again?  -- Richel Mobendza Bitsikou




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Re: audio

[Viktor Mastoridis]

 after the upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, i haven't  sound from my pc, what can i
 do for hear something again?

 Go to system/Preferences/sound  Hardware tab and see if your card is
listed there. also, check the output tab to see whether the output is routed
in the proper place.

Check the Administration/System  system tab and check whether you running
the latest kernel (2.6.31-14).

Are running Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio? Do you have multiple operating systems
installed?


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Re: Audio recording for dummies

[Pietro Bergamo]

On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 13:33 +0200, Marcus Roos wrote:

 I have installed Ardour and a program called Jack Controll.
 But I have no idea how to make things work!
 Failed to find a Jack Audio Server is there to read as soon as I
 start Jack and then i recording program.
 
 What more do I need to get started?
 
 Any svenskar or norrmen here in the list?


Are you using Ubuntu Studio or Ubuntu? When I installed UbStu, Ardour
and Jack were already installed. 

Anyway, I think some more information about your system would be needed
so that people would be able to help.

cheers,
Pietro
 


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Re: Audio recording for dummies

[Brian David]

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Marcus Roos marcus.r...@ukulelesolen.sewrote:

  I have installed Ardour and a program called Jack Controll.
 But I have no idea how to make things work!
 Failed to find a Jack Audio Server is there to read as soon as I start
 Jack and then i recording program.

 What more do I need to get started?

 Any svenskar or norrmen here in the list?
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Would you mind sending some details, Marcos?  Hardware set-up, what JACK
settings you're using, screenshots if possible.  It is hard to tell what
your problem might be from what you've described so far.

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Re: Audio recording for dummies

[Robert Klaar]

Hoi! if you check under sound  video in the menu you'll find jack, just run
the program, start the server by pushing play, and the ardour... this is
were the tricky part begins, usually you'll have to configure jack to your
specific hardware, to do this(if jack doesn't start or clicks or
whatever)push the setup icon. Then mess with the settings, usually the
message icon will tell you what's wrong... eller så kan vi ta det via msn;
roq...@hotmail.com ;)
//Paco

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Brian David beej...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Marcus Roos 
 marcus.r...@ukulelesolen.sewrote:

  I have installed Ardour and a program called Jack Controll.
 But I have no idea how to make things work!
 Failed to find a Jack Audio Server is there to read as soon as I start
 Jack and then i recording program.

 What more do I need to get started?

 Any svenskar or norrmen here in the list?
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 Would you mind sending some details, Marcos?  Hardware set-up, what JACK
 settings you're using, screenshots if possible.  It is hard to tell what
 your problem might be from what you've described so far.

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Re: Audio Apps as Root?

[Christopher Stamper]

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM, laurent.bellegarde 
laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:

   No, that is what the audio group and /etc/security/limits.conf are for.
 I'm agree with this, launching an apps or a daemon in root excepted for
 administration is not normal. Usuals programs should be launched as
 simple user.


That's what I thought. Thanks for the info...


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Re: Audio Apps as Root?

[David Hughes]

yeah, it helps.  and then run all audio you want to jack as root as well.
pulse audio doesn't require the root, and lets you cast across the server.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Christopher Stamper 
christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote:

 I noticed this posted on the list:

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM, laurent.bellegarde 
 laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:

 in a terminal, launch qjackctl with a sudo qjackctl to be root, the RT
 kernel is fine until 2,9 ms with the both sound card !!! What a big
 suprise !!!


  Are you supposed to launch qjackctl as root?

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Re: Audio Apps as Root?

[Gustin Johnson]

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 I noticed this posted on the list:
 
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM, laurent.bellegarde
 laurent.bellega...@free.fr mailto:laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:
 
 in a terminal, launch qjackctl with a sudo qjackctl to be root, the RT
 kernel is fine until 2,9 ms with the both sound card !!! What a big
 suprise !!!
 
 
  Are you supposed to launch qjackctl as root?
 
No, that is what the audio group and /etc/security/limits.conf are for.

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Re: Audio Apps as Root?

[laurent.bellegarde]

Gustin Johnson a écrit :
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 Christopher Stamper wrote:
   
 I noticed this posted on the list:

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM, laurent.bellegarde
 laurent.bellega...@free.fr mailto:laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:

 in a terminal, launch qjackctl with a sudo qjackctl to be root, the RT
 kernel is fine until 2,9 ms with the both sound card !!! What a big
 suprise !!!


  Are you supposed to launch qjackctl as root?

 
 No, that is what the audio group and /etc/security/limits.conf are for.
I'm agree with this, launching an apps or a daemon in root excepted for 
administration is not normal. Usuals programs should be launched as 
simple user.

Laurent

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Re: Audio sound effects

[Khashayar Naderehvandi]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Seattle Chaz seattlec...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Greetings All:

 I'm a Studio noob.  I loaded it a few days ago and haven't gotten much
 further than the eye candy which, it must be said, is beautiful.  I would
 like to:

 Record voice audio files (mp3?)

 Add short sound fx clips 

 Apply some sound fx such as reverb, echo, voice alteration - you know, all
 of that kidnapper voice masking over the telephone stuff.

 So, how do I approach this?  My ultimate goal is to podcast a series of
 interviews.  If some kind soul could at least identify the tools I would
 need, I'd appreciate it.  Thank you.

Have you tried audacity? It seems ideal for your use case.

Regards,
K.

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Re: Audio sound effects

[Leonardo Palomares]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Seattle Chaz seattlec...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Greetings All:

 I'm a Studio noob.
almost all of us are.


 Record voice audio files (mp3?)
Stay away of loss-compress formats, you will lost quality that can't
recover, ever.
and the best multitrack recorder (Ardour) is not compatible with loss
audio formats.

 Apply some sound fx such as reverb, echo, voice alteration - you know, all
take a look at this: http://ardour.org/files/manual/index2.html


Best!
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Re: Audio sound effects

[Jack McCaw]

 Record voice audio files (mp3?)
 Stay away of loss-compress formats, you will lost quality that can't
 recover, ever.
 and the best multitrack recorder (Ardour) is not compatible with loss
 audio formats.

Depending on the final application. Using a lossless recording format to 
record your voice, foley (sounds effects you generate yourself) and/or music 
is the way to maintain the best quality.
Afterwards, you may want to compress the sound file down to MP3 or OGG, for 
example if it is going to be downloaded over a slow internet connection.

 For my money of already to go sound effect, easy to use.. Audacity in 
Ubuntu Studio out of the box is great. Record a voice file and then go 
through the HUNDREDS of effects/plugins it can apply to it.

Ardour, is good for multi-track recording of multiple sound sources, then 
mixing, and mastering. Maybe a little overkill for your needs. I don't 
know... It does so much I have still only scratched the surface!

Play with both... great way to learn!

j...@!

 Apply some sound fx such as reverb, echo, voice alteration - you know, 
 all
 take a look at this: http://ardour.org/files/manual/index2.html


 Best!
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Daniel Green]

 Right now I'm looking at this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349
 For a modest $849.99

Just went up to $999.99 :-(

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information.

 Right now I'm looking at this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349
 For a modest $849.99

 The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an
 uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard
 drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast
 access drive for audio recording?

 Here are the relevant stats:

 Brand:  ASUS
 Series: M51 Series
 Model: M51TA-X2
 CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G
 Screen: 15.4 WXGA+
 Memory Size: 4GB DDR2
 Hard Disk : 250GB
 Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi
 Graphics Card:  ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
 Video Memory:   512MB
 CPU Type:  AMD Turion X2 Ultra
 CPU Speed:  ZM-82(2.20GHz)
 CPU L2 Cache: 2MB
 USB: 4
 IEEE 1394: 1
 1 x E-SATA
 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF)
 Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!!
 Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above.
 Battery: 6-cell lithium ion

 What do you guys think?

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Karoliina Salminen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
 hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
 fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
 using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
 drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
 the solid aluminum body :)

 I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the
 RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple)
 and the setup works fine.

 And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not
 have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build
 quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can
 not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where
 the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if
 you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc.  get a Mac. If
 you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product
 doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it,
 then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task
 and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as
 that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the
 cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one
 old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is
 not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all)
 and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks  feels really
 nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the
 price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice.

 I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit
 overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all
 MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac
 for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that
 after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I
 have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am
 doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using
 the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody
 else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the
 custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio
 hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac).

 Best Regards,
 Karoliina
 ( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com )
 (Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p
 (which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with
 unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[hollunder]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:25:35 +0100
Gerhard Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are many users out there with low budgets, like me trying ubuntu
 studio because they are looking for alternatives from MS-dependency
 and for them Apple-products even more are out of range.
 I'm lucky with a nexoc osiris s620ii, a barebone, my configuration is
 Intel cpu medium speed dualcore and chipsets,  FW, 4G RAM,  320 G HD,
 ~700€ wto OS in Germany 9/08. Edirol FW101 as sound interface. I'm
 messing around with live-played sw-synths, wine, wineasio, reaper,
 vst, especially korg MS20 legacy, synchronous instrument and voice
 recording. For low latency audio performance this machine is much
 better then an other notebook with amd64x2 processor, nvidia chipset
 and 3d graphics. This notebook solution is for life performance and
 recording, so it has to be small, light weighted and needs no
 3d-gamer-screen. For more elaborated production and composition you
 either will use stationary machines with 20 screens.
 

I'm kind of curious about barebone. I'm thinking about getting a laptop
or netbook but barebone sounds interesting to me. Wouldn't a barebone
kind of allow one to get the best stuff there is?
I know that barebones are quite common for normal boxes but I don't
really have experience with laptops and wonder about the ups and downs..

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Daniel Green]

It would be cool if we could ensemble some laptops preloaded with
UbuntuStudio and perhaps had some kind of contest with them as prizes,
or something. It seems like a fun project for the community to
undertake. We could vote on it piece by piece and document the
process. We could then release a guide on building a laptop DAW and
promote UbuntuStudio in the same swing.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:31 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:25:35 +0100
 Gerhard Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are many users out there with low budgets, like me trying ubuntu
 studio because they are looking for alternatives from MS-dependency
 and for them Apple-products even more are out of range.
 I'm lucky with a nexoc osiris s620ii, a barebone, my configuration is
 Intel cpu medium speed dualcore and chipsets,  FW, 4G RAM,  320 G HD,
 ~700€ wto OS in Germany 9/08. Edirol FW101 as sound interface. I'm
 messing around with live-played sw-synths, wine, wineasio, reaper,
 vst, especially korg MS20 legacy, synchronous instrument and voice
 recording. For low latency audio performance this machine is much
 better then an other notebook with amd64x2 processor, nvidia chipset
 and 3d graphics. This notebook solution is for life performance and
 recording, so it has to be small, light weighted and needs no
 3d-gamer-screen. For more elaborated production and composition you
 either will use stationary machines with 20 screens.


 I'm kind of curious about barebone. I'm thinking about getting a laptop
 or netbook but barebone sounds interesting to me. Wouldn't a barebone
 kind of allow one to get the best stuff there is?
 I know that barebones are quite common for normal boxes but I don't
 really have experience with laptops and wonder about the ups and downs..

 Philipp

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Karoliina Salminen]

 Generalizations tend to be innaccurate.  Certainly Dell has their low
 cost lines (the Inspiron), but their Latitude lines are awesome.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have one Latitude D600 on my
table and I never liked it. I have stopped using it (replaced it with
Thinkpad T61p which is from another planet in comparison, still not as
nice as a Mac, but as nice as a PC gets). Another huge downside with
the both mentioned is that Bill Gates got some additional funding for
nothing since the laptops came with Windows installed despite I do not
care about Windows. It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that
pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which
otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer
does not want that.

Karoliina

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

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Sony Vaio SZ90PS.  No fan noise when using the Intel GPU. Fan noise when
using the nVidea GPU, but one has no need for 3D graphics in music.

aYo Binitie wrote:
 I love my Dell Inspiron 1720 - no noise from the fan
 
 a
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:51 PM, sh0099 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 for audio i think dell is not so nice because of its loud fan
 
 a friend have a asus laptop which are more quiet
 
 
 
 Daniel Green schrieb:
  I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
  and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
  something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
  consideration:
 
  Fast hard drive
  Multiple(?) Firwire ports
  USB ports
  Decent sized screen.
  Long battery life
  Linux friendly.
 
  No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
  something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?
 
  I am open to and appreciate all advice.
 
  Thank you!
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Joseph Atanacio]

I was considering exactly this and I chose a refurb macbook.   (Black  
one...$1099)

When purchased from apple they are warrantee them as a new box.
FW 800 is not a mandate for 'me'.  FW400 and usb 2.0 get me threw the  
day.  That, coupled with 2.4 GHz 2mb Ram and 250 G hd work for me.   
Hard drive and ram upgrades will be easy enuf in the future but get me  
threw for the next year or so.

Ardour 2.5 SAE now works really well in OSX too.
The apple product is solid.  They charge you for it.
FW800 is the MBpro only so that will bump you up a few $$ but if you  
can get by w/ FW400 I'd encourage you to consider the previous  
generation Macbook. (refurbished)


Hope this helps.



On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote:

The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro  
range.  Why pay for the marketing hype?

-Eric

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:


I think you could consider a Mac. The new unibody Macbook is pretty  
nice.
I have the older model. It has Intel chipset, fast processor etc.  
and you can

install Ubuntu-Studio  on it with bootcamp. The internal audio
hardware is pretty good,
at least on MacOSX side there is no such thing as latency in the Logic
Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not tested
Ubuntu Studio with it (the Ubuntu Studio is on a desktop PC). The fan
noise is low and
in general the laptop is very nice. The new model should be even
nicer. It is manufactured from
aluminum block with machining - awesome! I am pretty happy with the
Mac hardware, and I think it would worth to spend
the little premium also for a Linux machine to get the Apple HW. The
Macbook is quite reasonably priced.
http://www.apple.com/macbook/

Best Regards,
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

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Eric Hedekar wrote:
 The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro
 range.  Why pay for the marketing hype?
 -Eric

I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Mac]

Hi,

Just to add my $.02.

I have a Dell XPS. I have not noticed any fan noise.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Hakan Koseoglu]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a Dell XPS. I have not noticed any fan noise.
Dell Inspiron 9400 - didn't have any fan noise when I got it two years
ago. Now I can hear the fan noise. I blame the worn down fan bearings
+ dust + grime blocking the passages. Still very quiet laptop IMHO.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Karoliina Salminen]

 I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
 hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
 fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
 using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
 drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
 the solid aluminum body :)

I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the
RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple)
and the setup works fine.

And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not
have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build
quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can
not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where
the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if
you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc.  get a Mac. If
you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product
doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it,
then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task
and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as
that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the
cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one
old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is
not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all)
and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks  feels really
nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the
price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice.

I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit
overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all
MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac
for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that
after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I
have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am
doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using
the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody
else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the
custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio
hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac).

Best Regards,
Karoliina
( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com )
(Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p
(which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with
unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Daniel Green]

Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information.

Right now I'm looking at this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349
For a modest $849.99

The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an
uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard
drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast
access drive for audio recording?

Here are the relevant stats:

Brand:  ASUS
Series: M51 Series
Model: M51TA-X2
CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G
Screen: 15.4 WXGA+
Memory Size: 4GB DDR2
Hard Disk : 250GB
Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi
Graphics Card:  ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
Video Memory:   512MB
CPU Type:  AMD Turion X2 Ultra
CPU Speed:  ZM-82(2.20GHz)
CPU L2 Cache: 2MB
USB: 4
IEEE 1394: 1
1 x E-SATA
1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF)
Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!!
Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above.
Battery: 6-cell lithium ion

What do you guys think?

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Karoliina Salminen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
 hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
 fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
 using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
 drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
 the solid aluminum body :)

 I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the
 RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple)
 and the setup works fine.

 And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not
 have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build
 quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can
 not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where
 the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if
 you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc.  get a Mac. If
 you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product
 doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it,
 then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task
 and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as
 that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the
 cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one
 old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is
 not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all)
 and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks  feels really
 nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the
 price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice.

 I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit
 overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all
 MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac
 for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that
 after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I
 have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am
 doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using
 the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody
 else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the
 custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio
 hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac).

 Best Regards,
 Karoliina
 ( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com )
 (Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p
 (which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with
 unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Christopher Stamper]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information.

 Right now I'm looking at this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349
 For a modest $849.99

 The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an
 uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard
 drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast
 access drive for audio recording?

 Here are the relevant stats:

 Brand:  ASUS
 Series: M51 Series
 Model: M51TA-X2
 CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G
 Screen: 15.4 WXGA+
 Memory Size: 4GB DDR2
 Hard Disk : 250GB
 Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi
 Graphics Card:  ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
 Video Memory:   512MB
 CPU Type:  AMD Turion X2 Ultra
 CPU Speed:  ZM-82(2.20GHz)
 CPU L2 Cache: 2MB
 USB: 4
 IEEE 1394: 1
 1 x E-SATA
 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF)
 Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!!
 Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above.
 Battery: 6-cell lithium ion

 What do you guys think?


I'm stuck with a 15 screen on my laptop, and wishing I wasn't. You may feel
differently, though... ;-)

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

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Karoliina Salminen wrote:
 I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
 hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
 fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
 using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
 drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
 the solid aluminum body :)
 
 I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the
 RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple)
 and the setup works fine.

Those cost extra, putting the cost benefit ratio further out for me.
 
 And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not
 have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build
 quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can
 not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where
 the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if

Generalizations tend to be innaccurate.  Certainly Dell has their low
cost lines (the Inspiron), but their Latitude lines are awesome.  We
have been using them at work for a while now and I do enjoy the
noticeable build quality difference.  The same goes for the XPS lines as
well.

 you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc.  get a Mac. If
 you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product
 doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it,

This is the e6400 for me.  Whatever you may want to say about Dell, you
at least know exactly what you are getting.  How many different 2.4 Ghz
CPUs does Intel make?  For those of use who care, we can get exactly the
CPU we want.  For those of you who don't care you can always buy a Mac :)

 then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task
 and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as
 that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the
 cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one
 old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is
 not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all)
 and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks  feels really
 nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the
 price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice.
 
I have been beating up Dell laptops for 10 years, and my experience has
been different from yours.  I have a Dell 733 that just won't die.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[aYo Binitie]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Karoliina Salminen wrote:
  I agree.  The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual
  hardware used.  I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which
  fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook.  The Dell is
  using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop
  drive) etc.  It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about
  the solid aluminum body :)
 
  I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the
  RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple)
  and the setup works fine.

 Those cost extra, putting the cost benefit ratio further out for me.
 
  And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not
  have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build
  quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can
  not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where
  the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if

 Generalizations tend to be innaccurate.  Certainly Dell has their low
 cost lines (the Inspiron),


*** My Inspiron 1720 cost me $2500, I would not really call that cheap. Its
also very beautiful in a minimalist sort of way :).


 but their Latitude lines are awesome.  We
 have been using them at work for a while now and I do enjoy the
 noticeable build quality difference.  The same goes for the XPS lines as
 well.

  you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc.  get a Mac. If
  you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product
  doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it,

 This is the e6400 for me.  Whatever you may want to say about Dell, you
 at least know exactly what you are getting.  How many different 2.4 Ghz
 CPUs does Intel make?  For those of use who care, we can get exactly the
 CPU we want.  For those of you who don't care you can always buy a Mac :)

  then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task
  and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as
  that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the
  cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one
  old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is
  not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all)
  and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks  feels really
  nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the
  price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice.
 
 I have been beating up Dell laptops for 10 years, and my experience has
 been different from yours.  I have a Dell 733 that just won't die.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[sh0099]

for audio i think dell is not so nice because of its loud fan

a friend have a asus laptop which are more quiet



Daniel Green schrieb:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.
 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.

 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?

 I am open to and appreciate all advice.

 Thank you!
 Daniel.

   


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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Eric Hedekar]

The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro range.
Why pay for the marketing hype?
-Eric

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Karoliina Salminen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I think you could consider a Mac. The new unibody Macbook is pretty nice.
 I have the older model. It has Intel chipset, fast processor etc. and you
 can
 install Ubuntu-Studio  on it with bootcamp. The internal audio
 hardware is pretty good,
 at least on MacOSX side there is no such thing as latency in the Logic
 Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not tested
 Ubuntu Studio with it (the Ubuntu Studio is on a desktop PC). The fan
 noise is low and
 in general the laptop is very nice. The new model should be even
 nicer. It is manufactured from
 aluminum block with machining - awesome! I am pretty happy with the
 Mac hardware, and I think it would worth to spend
 the little premium also for a Linux machine to get the Apple HW. The
 Macbook is quite reasonably priced.
 http://www.apple.com/macbook/

 Best Regards,
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RE: Audio Production Laptop

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sounds like he saw something similar to what I mentioned in an earlier post.

But, the Ubuntu CD I received with mine was an official Ubuntu CD.

I didn't pursue why it wouldn't re-format the FAT partition that Dell had
used.

I just used Gparted live to reformat and then reloaded Ubuntu.

Mac


Original Message:
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From: Matthew Polashek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:11:53 -0500
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: Audio Production Laptop


An importsant note here!!  My brother purchased a dell ubuntu laptop but
ubuntustudio did not install on it off the mirror iso images.  He actually
was unable to easily install ubuntustudio and runs the dell version of
ubuntu on it, having become too frustrated.  Granted he's probably a little
time challenged, but this is a really important consideration.  

On the otherhand, I run a dell d510 all day every day, and though I wish
the screen resolution was better, it's awesome!  I never use my apple G4
powerbook anymore.




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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Daniel Green]

 I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire.

Should I limit myself to laptops that have multiple firewire ports? Or
would getting a PCMCIA card with firewire interfaces or something be a
better bet? Judging by several conversations I've had with digital
audio enthusiasts, I'm on the side of firewire as well.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry to go off topic, but I'm fascinated by the line:
 I am not a fan of firewire.

 Not a fan of firewire(more correctly, ieee 1394) because of
 compatability issues or because of the standard itself?

 I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire.
 Firewire does things that USB simply cannot do, ie, reliably feed my
 7-year-old computer with 12 channels of audio simultaneously. And I
 easily expand that a great deal.

 Philip Schleihauf
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Daniel Green wrote:
  I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
  and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
  something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
  consideration:
 
  Fast hard drive
  Multiple(?) Firwire ports

 I am not a fan of firewire.  Check the FFADO site for hardware
 compatability.
  USB ports
  Decent sized screen.

 Inversely proportional to battery life.  The larger the screen, the
 shorter the battery life

  Long battery life
  Linux friendly.
 
  No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
  something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?
 
  I am open to and appreciate all advice.

 I am in the process of getting a new laptop as wll.  I eventually
 settled on a Dell Latitude (business line, more expensive but very well
 made) e6400.  14 screen (1440x900 w/ LCD backlighting, good visuals and
 low power draw).  Of course fully loaded I will be spending ~$2400 CDN
 (including docking station and 3 years accidental damage coverage).

 My second choice is a Thinkpad, with similar specs.

 Also, CPU, Chipset, Video, LAN, WiFi is all made by Intel, which are all
 currently well supported under Linux.

 I would also be very careful with the firewire devices, check the ffado
 site for supported hardware *before* you buy.


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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Gustin Johnson]

Phil wrote:
 Sorry to go off topic, but I'm fascinated by the line:
 I am not a fan of firewire.
 
 Not a fan of firewire(more correctly, ieee 1394) because of
 compatability issues or because of the standard itself?
 
I used to be a fan of ieee 1394, but years of experience have jaded me.
  There are two reasons that I dislike ieee 1394.

The first is that a lot of firewire devices use proprietary protocols to
communicate across the link, which makes them useless to Linux users
(RME Fireface anyone?).  This is not a problem with ieee 1394 per se,
but it means that most firewire audio gear is useless to me.  I used
FFADO back when it was called FreeBob, not a pleasant experience.

The second is that firewire is a security problem.  The idea that an
external device can directly read and copy the contents in RAM without
any sort of authentication or access control scares me.  This is one of
those things that I am glad USB does *not* do.  Even more unbelievable
is that this behaviour is part of the spec.

 I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire.
 Firewire does things that USB simply cannot do, ie, reliably feed my
 7-year-old computer with 12 channels of audio simultaneously. And I
 easily expand that a great deal.
 
 Philip Schleihauf
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 



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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Daniel Green]

Wow, take a look at the Rain Recording Livebook L7 Laptop Audio Computer

CPU: 2.5GHz Intel Penryn Core 2 Duo (T9300)
Hard Drive: 200GB SATA 300 7200RPM (16MB Cache)
RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Dual Channel - Matched Pair)
Display: 15.4 WXGA+ Widescreen (1280x800)
Graphics: NIVIDIA Goforce 8600M GS (256MB)
USB: 4 x USB 2.0 Ports
FireWire: 2 x 6-pin on PCI Express Card (TI Chipset), 1 x 4-pin onboard
PCIe: PCI Express Notebook Card Slot
Optical Drive: Dual Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Combo Drive
WiFi : Integrated mobile Intel 802.11
LAN: 10/100/1000 Ethernet
Modem: 56k V.90/V.92 Modem RJ-11
Webcam: 2 megapixel
Media Card: 7 in 1 Card Reader
Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion battery
Audio: Intel HD Audio, Built-in Stereo Speakers and Microphone
Video Out: 1 x VGA Port for external display, 1 x s-video out
Input Devices: Touchpad, 88 key keyboard
Bluetooth: Optional
Dimensions: 14. x 10.1 x 1.1~1.5 (WxDxH)
Weight: 6.1 lbs. w/ 6 cel battery

Too bad it's $2,199.00. I'm not sure that's worth it. I'm looking for
something much closer to $1,000

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.
 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.

 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?

 I am open to and appreciate all advice.

 Thank you!
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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Cory K.]

Daniel Green wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.
 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.

 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?

 I am open to and appreciate all advice.
 
 Wow, take a look at the Rain Recording Livebook L7 Laptop Audio Computer

 CPU: 2.5GHz Intel Penryn Core 2 Duo (T9300)
 Hard Drive: 200GB SATA 300 7200RPM (16MB Cache)
 RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Dual Channel - Matched Pair)
 Display: 15.4 WXGA+ Widescreen (1280x800)
 Graphics: NIVIDIA Goforce 8600M GS (256MB)
 USB: 4 x USB 2.0 Ports
 FireWire: 2 x 6-pin on PCI Express Card (TI Chipset), 1 x 4-pin onboard
 PCIe: PCI Express Notebook Card Slot
 Optical Drive: Dual Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Combo Drive
 WiFi : Integrated mobile Intel 802.11
 LAN: 10/100/1000 Ethernet
 Modem: 56k V.90/V.92 Modem RJ-11
 Webcam: 2 megapixel
 Media Card: 7 in 1 Card Reader
 Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion battery
 Audio: Intel HD Audio, Built-in Stereo Speakers and Microphone
 Video Out: 1 x VGA Port for external display, 1 x s-video out
 Input Devices: Touchpad, 88 key keyboard
 Bluetooth: Optional
 Dimensions: 14. x 10.1 x 1.1~1.5 (WxDxH)
 Weight: 6.1 lbs. w/ 6 cel battery
   

Looks good.

 Too bad it's $2,199.00. I'm not sure that's worth it. I'm looking for
 something much closer to $1,000
   

You pay for size. If that's the range you're looking at go for something
used.

-Cory K.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[AJ Moon]

Considering the Linux friendly I'd say Dell is your best bet.  Orderit 
with linux on it.  You will have to reformat and install Studio but 
atleaste you know you have all the drivers . Besides dell makes good 
sturdy products.


Daniel Green wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.
 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.

 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?

 I am open to and appreciate all advice.

 Thank you!
 Daniel.

   


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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Hakan Koseoglu]

Daniel Green wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:
Having a Dell Inspiron 9400 and recently got and installed 8.04 Studio on a 
Dell Inspiron 1525, I can say that their internal sound card is completely 
useless. USB-plugged cards works reasonably fine (unless it's an M-Audio 
Quattro - which will be my bane). I haven't tried a firewire card yet, the only 
one that used to be around at home was a Digidesign Protools interface and I 
never had time to try it out.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Sean Edwards]

IBM has some good deals at their refurb site:

Certified Used Lenovo 3000 Y410
Model: T59011897
Intel Core Duo 1.66GHz

http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425709792storeId=1langId=-1categoryId=2576396dualCurrId=73catalogId=-840



IBM.com - Products - Certified Used Equipment - Notebooks

The refurb ThinkPads usually have MS pre-installed.

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Jason Schaefer]

I am a huge fan of the Lenovo (ibm) thinkpads! They have the best
suspend support and they use well supported hardware, which is not
always true of Dell or anyone else. I have the thinkpad t61 15.4
widescreen 1680x1050, which is a great resolution for working with
ardour and hydrogen, etc. It is a little large for lots of travel, but
with the 6 cell battery, its very light. I have the iwl 3945 ABG
wireless. Its awesome except the need for proprietary firmware. The
atheros has free drivers now, ath9k https://www.fsf.org/news/ath9k So
I might replace the mini-pci intel wireless with one of those:-) I
also love how rugged the computer is, great for traveling. I take my
laptop everywhere and my previous dell laptops would get wobly screens
and flimsy keys. The price was great too, (2gb mem, 2.1 intel core 2
duo, bluetooth, wifi, dvd/cd burner, 3 yr full protection warranty,
built in mem card reader) $1170.00

Oh and lastly, I recently built the 2.6.26.5 kernel patched with
realtime rt and the internal intel hda sound card became a rock solid,
extremely low latency sound card (~ 5ms). Previously it was crap and I
was forced to always use my m-audio fast track pro (~8ms).

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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Gustin Johnson]

Daniel Green wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:
 
 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports

I am not a fan of firewire.  Check the FFADO site for hardware
compatability.
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.

Inversely proportional to battery life.  The larger the screen, the
shorter the battery life

 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.
 
 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?
 
 I am open to and appreciate all advice.

I am in the process of getting a new laptop as wll.  I eventually
settled on a Dell Latitude (business line, more expensive but very well
made) e6400.  14 screen (1440x900 w/ LCD backlighting, good visuals and
low power draw).  Of course fully loaded I will be spending ~$2400 CDN
(including docking station and 3 years accidental damage coverage).

My second choice is a Thinkpad, with similar specs.

Also, CPU, Chipset, Video, LAN, WiFi is all made by Intel, which are all
currently well supported under Linux.

I would also be very careful with the firewire devices, check the ffado
site for supported hardware *before* you buy.



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Re: Audio Production Laptop

[Gustin Johnson]

Gustin Johnson wrote:
 Daniel Green wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive

7200 RPM drive is what you will likely want.  I bought mine from a local
shop and then installed it into the laptop.   Usually laptop
manufacturers charge a premium for these, so you are better off adding
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RE: Audio Production Laptop

[Matthew Polashek]

An importsant note here!!  My brother purchased a dell ubuntu laptop but 
ubuntustudio did not install on it off the mirror iso images.  He actually was 
unable to easily install ubuntustudio and runs the dell version of ubuntu on 
it, having become too frustrated.  Granted he's probably a little time 
challenged, but this is a really important consideration.  

On the otherhand, I run a dell d510 all day every day, and though I wish the 
screen resolution was better, it's awesome!  I never use my apple G4 powerbook 
anymore.

-Original Message-
From: AJ Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:45 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 
ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Audio Production Laptop

Considering the Linux friendly I'd say Dell is your best bet.  Orderit 
with linux on it.  You will have to reformat and install Studio but 
atleaste you know you have all the drivers . Besides dell makes good 
sturdy products.


Daniel Green wrote:
 I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production
 and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding
 something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into
 consideration:

 Fast hard drive
 Multiple(?) Firwire ports
 USB ports
 Decent sized screen.
 Long battery life
 Linux friendly.

 No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with
 something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too?

 I am open to and appreciate all advice.

 Thank you!
 Daniel.


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Re: Audio Recording in Ubuntu Studio: Hints and Tips

[Steven Davies-Morris]

Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Luis de Bethencourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Steven Davies-Morris
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Steven Davies-Morris
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Brian Berry wrote:
 NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom
 Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE which can be viewed at
 http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

 


 Hi,

 I am the author of a blog related purely to recording and
 playing music with Ubuntu Studio and Freeware. The name of the
 blog is Brian's Bedroom - please feel free to check it out at
 the following address: http://briansbedroom.blogspot.com/.

 Regards, Brian
 That's terrific, Brian. I shall pop over to check it out today,
 probably at lunch time.

 FYI, a recent (August 2008) issue of Computer Music (out of the
  UK for those that don't read it) had a nice look at Ubuntu
 Studio on Hardy with very positive comments. --
 Really? I _so_ desire a copy of that. Anybody has it and can scan
 it?

 Luis
 I can scan it today. It's a surface look, but it is 6 pages long,
 and very complimentary about the professional quality and wide range
 of apps available on Ubuntu Studio. I think that's something that they
 weren't quite expecting (how professional everything is). While it
 only scratches the surface in looking at apps, it's still a good
 calling card for Ubuntu Studio.

 The new issue of CM just came out a couple of days ago. It has a
 letter to the editor from an aspiring musician who was so excited
 about what he read that he tried Ubuntu Studio, ditched his Windows
 setup, and is a convert. I'm going to send them a letter myself this
 week applauding them for the coverage, and point them to some
 web-links like Brian's Bedroom Blog -- things that might be really
 useful and helpful. Plus telling them about this list, of course.
 --
 Fantastic! This makes me happy.

 Please scan that. I will try to see if I can find a copy of it in a
 big news shop this evening, but I am not sure they will have the old
 number.

 Luis

 
 Ohh... and send it to the list with a new topic. There will be more
 people interested and Audio Recording in Ubuntu Studio: Hints and
 Tips is kinda off-topic.
 
 Luis
 
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Absolutely.  I'll send it on as 6 reasonably sized but still decent
looking jpegs this morning.

BTW, if you try to find the issue of CM it's #129 called Summer
2008. It has LFOS  ENVELOPES on the cover, plus Ubuntu Studio
on the cover in smaller letters.
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Re: Audio Recording in Ubuntu Studio: Hints and Tips

[Luis de Bethencourt]

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Steven Davies-Morris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Brian Berry wrote:
 NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings
 Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE which can be viewed at
 http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

 

 Hi,

 I am the author of a blog related purely to recording and playing music
 with Ubuntu Studio and Freeware. The name of the blog is Brian's Bedroom
 - please feel free to check it out at the following address:
 http://briansbedroom.blogspot.com/.

 Regards,
 Brian

 That's terrific, Brian. I shall pop over to check it out today,
 probably at lunch time.

 FYI, a recent (August 2008) issue of Computer Music (out of the
 UK for those that don't read it) had a nice look at Ubuntu Studio
 on Hardy with very positive comments.
 --

Really? I _so_ desire a copy of that. Anybody has it and can scan it?

Luis

 Cheers, SDM -- a 21st Century Schizoid Man
 Systems Theory internet music project: www.systemstheory.net
 on MySpace: www.myspace.com/systemstheory
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Re: Audio Recording in Ubuntu Studio: Hints and Tips

[Steven Davies-Morris]

Brian Berry wrote:
 NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings 
 Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE which can be viewed at 
 http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
 
 
 
 Hi,
  
 I am the author of a blog related purely to recording and playing music 
 with Ubuntu Studio and Freeware. The name of the blog is Brian's Bedroom 
 - please feel free to check it out at the following address: 
 http://briansbedroom.blogspot.com/.
  
 Regards,
 Brian

That's terrific, Brian. I shall pop over to check it out today,
probably at lunch time.

FYI, a recent (August 2008) issue of Computer Music (out of the
UK for those that don't read it) had a nice look at Ubuntu Studio
on Hardy with very positive comments.
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on MySpace: www.myspace.com/systemstheory
on Last FM: www.last.fm/music/Systems+Theory
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Re: Audio production and composing

[Sean Edwards]

Take a look at vkeybd (Virtual Keyboard).  It allows you to map your PC 
keyboard to notes in synths, sequencers, and MIDI connections.

It takes some getting used to, but it is better than step sequencing with a 
mouse!

-=Sean=-


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 10:43:24 AM
Subject: Re: Audio production and composing

On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:25:23 +0300
fokusfired [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, I am a long time Ubuntu user, but relatively new to Ubuntu studio
 and especially audio production. I understand basic jack configuration
 and settings. But right now I don't have a midi keyboard for writing
 music. It is very difficult to write everything with mouse in the
 sequencers. Do you know a way for writing electronic music, notes
 without midi keyboard. I do not know but maybe there is an easy way to
 produces loops or editting them.
 
 Thanks
 

One way to work fast without a keyboard is to use a keyboard ;)
The pc-keyboard and a tracker.
It's mostly used for electronic music but it may be possible to do
other music as well. Trackers usually work with synths and samples.
I think ubuntu studio doesn't include a tracker by default and I don't
really know which ones are good, but I would try soundtracker and
aldrin.

Best Regards
Philipp

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Re: Audio-Visual Installation Question

If you can get your xorg.conf configured to a 'dual-head' setup where the 2nd
screen is on the external vga connector of your laptop - going to the
projector, then you should be able to achieve this.

The video player could sit on screen2 whilst audacity would sit on screen1 as
well as the control to the video playback (if separable).

Depending on the driver, this should be possible.

google the make and model of your video card and keywords like :  dual-head
ubuntu etc

You will have to dig around a bit, as I looked just now and didn't find any
success stories for that model.

You could try the ubuntu 'screens and graphics' menu option to see if it can see
the second display already, but I doubt it based on recent experiences.


Eventually, you will just need to configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf (make a backup
copy of it before you do anything to xorg.working so you can restore your
working display from the command line with 'sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.working
/etc/X11/xorg.conf' should you loose crash your xserver) to include 2 screen
sections plus a layout section that looks something like :

Section ServerLayout
Identifier  DualHead
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
Screen  1  Screen1 LeftOf Screen0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

The example is pretty rough, but might point you in the right direction.




Quoting Pascal Cretain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi List,
 
 I'm setting up an istallation that consists of:
 
 1) Visual: A 30 minute Video File on playback
 2) Audio: Live manipulation of sound samples with Audacity/Ardour to
 accompany the Video.
 
 I own one laptop (Ubuntu w/ VIA/S3G Graphics Card) and one Toshiba TDP-S8UK
 projector. The question is:
 How do I project the video while doing my real-time Sound
 improvisation using only the two pieces of Hardware that I own?
 
 I have come up with a few ideas, most of which require extra hardware (e.g a
 cheap DVD player to connect to the projector while I dedicate my laptop
 to  Audacity). I've also been thinking whether it would be possible to
 'split' the screen in half somehow -
 left part of the screen being
 sent to the projector whereas I use the right part of the screen for
 Audacity/Ardour.
 
 I appreciate that this list is not ideal for this type of question but it's
 the most relevant I am aware of!
 
 Many thanks
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Re: audio hardware

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote:
 Yes. This is a pain I agree but is the system we (the Ubuntu Studio
 project) work with. :( We really try to work with upstream as much as we
 can.

You'd probably be surprised how rarely we hear from maintainers from any 
distro.  It's weird.

 I do feel that old isn't bad and that people need to stop wanting
 bleeding edge with everything.

The other side of that coin is when the users come to us to bitch about bugs 
we fixed 18 months ago in a release that's been out for a year.

I'm sure other projects feel the same way, but I can also sympathize with how 
painful your job is.  Everybody wants the very latest incremental point 
release with three enhanced new icons, even though it came out a week after 
the freeze you announced well in advance.

I don't have any better ideas than the current scheme of things.  It's just 
annoying for all parties involved.

Plus the pay seriously sucks, and the hot gorgeous chicks have NOT been 
beating a path to my door.  Don't know about you.  :D

 So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev?

My fame and glory precede me again.  :)
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Re: audio hardware

[Jonathan Leonard]

On 9/17/07, Rafael F. Compte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have thought about external audio hardware but I haven't found what
 I'm looking for. That really sounds like a great idea since the
 integrated Intel sound card of my laptop isn't exactly top notch...
 First I thought about an Audigy sz2 notebook PCMCIA but it looks like it
 isn't very well supported in linux. Is it better if it is PCMCIA or is
 it just the same as an external USB device? Any diffrences? Any ideas?

 By the way I also couldn't open Freebirth. There must be a problem with
 the package. I even reinstalled it through Synaptics... did nothing... I
 don't get any messages. Just won't open.

 Rafael



Hi Raphael, freebirth won't open for me either and I am not sure why Ubuntu
would include non-functioning software in their studio flavour.

In my experience pcmcia is much better compared to USB - without inspiring
geeks to counter that declarative statement regarding the protocols I can
only say that the way the gear is built and implemented, USB is still
incredibly unreliable on all platforms - though its great for moving
pictures off of cameras.  PCMCIA cards are usually more professional and
lower latency.  Though you should check to see if your laptop has a TI
chipset.  If not, you may never realize the difference between the 2.  My
advice is if you do not have a dedicated TI chipset to manage the pcmcia
cards and instead have some more generic chipset that manages all the
communication ports - don't bother with pcmcia, go for USB or better, stick
with your integrated card.  If the dynamics and frequency response are the
real issue, maybe this can be improved with another sound card, but you may
have to use very high 1024 samples to get clear artifact free audio.  So my
question for your laptop is - what chipset is handling the pcmcia or cardbus
on your laptop?

On my laptop I use the multiface II from RME with a cardbus host adapter.
In the US you can purchase this as a bundle for around $650.  I can confirm
personally that this is well supported in ALSA - but as with anything in
ubuntu studio, plan on building the alsa firmware, drivers, libs and utils
yourself.

I am also having great luck with the echoaudio Layla 20 in linux - this is
pci but the same company makes a pcmcia card called the Indigo IO that is
pcmcia.  It may be worth checking the alsa soundcard matrix to see if this
is supported.  The Indigo IO can be purchased for less than $200 and
provides excellent stereo input and ouput in a pcmcia card.  Though its
connectors are not professional - 1/8th inch - it has a professional sound
and can provide reliable sub 10ms latency on a variety of platforms.  The
Indigo DJ has 2 stereo outputs if you need an extra monitor out for
headphones in addition to the main house outputs.

If I can have an influence at all, I wold steer you towards pcmcia because
there is no cable, and the cards are more professional.  I simply cannot
recommend a single USB audio device period.  But I am a musician who demands
low latency and my expectations might be higher than someone just playing
mp3 and watching movies.

Of the 2 companies I mentioned, RME and EchoAudio - both have superior
support beyond your purchase.  In my case, echoaudio replaced my layla20
power supply 4 years after it was purchased at no charge.  They also cleaned
up the unit while it was out for repair.  I bought it in '99 and in Ubuntu
Studio it just plain rocks.

The multiface II would be the class kit for you, but if you are not an audio
engineer or musician it would be overkill.  But it is halfrack ;)

Hope this helps and let us know how things work out!

-Jonathan Adams Leonard
my latest track produced entirely in Ubuntu Studio:
http://www.jonathanleonard.com/songs/2007/mp3/reapers_wish.mp3
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Re: audio hardware

[Cory K.]

Jonathan Leonard wrote:
 Hi Raphael, freebirth won't open for me either and I am not sure why
 Ubuntu would include non-functioning software in their studio flavour.
It was reported a update broke things. I can say however that Freebirth
launches fine in Gutsy.

Off Topic:
I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a
release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure
things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact
becomes more of an issue than before release.

-Cory

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Development Testing (was: Re: audio hardware)

[Cory K.]

D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote:
   
 Off Topic:
 I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a
 release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure
 things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact
 becomes more of an issue than before release.
 

 Speaking from the project, rather than distro level, I'd still like to echo 
 those comments wholeheartedly.  Rosegarden's pre-release testing sucks.  
 We're too close to it to be good testers, and most users stick with whatever 
 comes with their distro, which is usually a version or more out of date to 
 boot.
   
So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev?
 Looks like we're about to lose another race with Gutsy.  We're trying to 
 release by the end of this month, and Gutsy will probably be frozen or 
 released by then.  I haven't looked at your schedule, but people are making 
 noises like Gutsy is already mostly usable, so I figure it's going to come 
 out stuck with our last release.  Again.
   
Yes. This is a pain I agree but is the system we (the Ubuntu Studio
project) work with. :( We really try to work with upstream as much as we
can. Thing that slows us down sometimes is that its important for us to
sync from Debian. Kinda a trickle-down effect. Though, it can often
mean that by the time it hits Ubuntu the app is a little old.

I do feel that old isn't bad and that people need to stop wanting
bleeding edge with everything.
 This whole production model is a pain in the ass.  Oh well.  At least the pay 
 is great, right?  Plus all the fame and glory when people on the street know 
 your name, and the project(s) you work on, and get you to sign autographs 
 everywhere you go.
   

Yes. We're all geeky rock-stars. :D


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