Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Darby wrote: >>> I'd like to record bass guitar, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, >> electronic drumset, midi keyboard, vocals, occasional woodwind/brass >> instruments. >> >> Are you going to play all these instruments yourself as separate >> tracks, or will other people play them as you record? >> >> -=Sean Edwards=- > > Both. In some cases I'll play them myself, in other cases there will be > 3 to 5 people playing together. > > I noticed today that the Delta 44 was less than $150 CDN brand new which will get you 4 simultaneous tracks with pretty decent latency. Hth, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJDrPawRXgH3rKGfMRAmu9AKCViKyItby61nBXXYeXdEiJOOEX7gCfTE+x gxm8jxkrhu8n54vBcv31BvQ= =gSXw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> > I'd like to record bass guitar, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, > electronic drumset, midi keyboard, vocals, occasional woodwind/brass > instruments. > > Are you going to play all these instruments yourself as separate > tracks, or will other people play them as you record? > > -=Sean Edwards=- Both. In some cases I'll play them myself, in other cases there will be 3 to 5 people playing together. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> Any idea if there's an average turn-out on success/fail with ALSA-compatible devices tested strictly via the "buy something and see for yourself" approach? > I have no idea, that is a question for the Alsa Developer list. Do you use Ubuntu Studio or just Mac? Ubuntu studio development for PowerPC has stopped, so I use Debian on the Mac. > As close as possible? The PCI card connects directly to a hardware bus. Therefore has a shorter distance to travel and it has a wider bandwidth. Although USB 2.0 is faster, it is still a serial communication protocol. When you have multiple USB devices on the bus, you now introduce buffering, a longer more narrow distance for the signal to travel which translates to more latency. When you want portability, USB 2.0 devices are the way to go. If you want low-latency, look into PCI devices. > I'd like to record bass guitar, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, electronic drumset, midi keyboard, vocals, occasional woodwind/brass instruments. Are you going to play all these instruments yourself as separate tracks, or will other people play them as you record? -=Sean Edwards=- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: > Hi again! > > >> PCI seems to be the most solid most of the time. M-Audio and RME are >> the most well supported, but EMU is right behind I believe. >> > > When you said EMU is "right behind" did you mean EMU or RME currently > has more support for Linux? > RME used to have their Linux drivers on their website. Lots of support! Same thing for M-audio. EMU never did. However, there has been some great work by developers on the EMU drivers. > If both are pretty solid anyway, I'm guessing it doesn't matter too > much. If I see any gear that's equivalent between the two I might go for > the one at a more affordable cost. > > RME has a better clock. >> Firewire audio drivers are not well developed and the hardware >> manufactures have not been forthcoming with assistance. >> > > That makes sense. I never even heard of FFADO until someone mentioned it > in here. > > Actually, I never heard of "MADI"/multichannel audio digital interface, > either. (Whoops, I thought it was "inputs" for the "I".) > > >> The best IMHO is the RME Hammerfall series. The 9652 is pretty great >> and really well supported in Linux by the manufacturer. An RME card >> with an Apogee clock and A/D with a True Systems Mic pre is a pretty >> common find in a studio these days. >> > > Cool! I'll try to put RME at the top of the list of options to consider. > > ...now if I can figure out how to incorporate other audio gear into the > mix along with the appropriate RME device (all of that hopefully at an > affordable price). > > One possible chain could work like this: Sound source --> At2020 --> Behringer ADA 8000 --> RME 9652 --> Jack --> ardour --> disc. How does that sound? Check out my sax tracks on jandmjazz.com. >> There are RME interfaces with Breakout boxes and without. The Multiface >> and DIGIface are good as well as the hammerfall PCI stuff. >> > > So much RME stuff, I wouldn't know where to start! :) > > Thanks again! Great input! > > Sean Darby > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> Devices that work with ALSA: > Unfortunately, the ALSA developers do not have the resources to test > every device that appears on the market. Really, there are three ways > to check compatiblity: The ALSA site http://www.alsa-project.org ; > look into mailing list archives post a question to a list, news group, > or irc chat ; and lastly, buy something and see for yourself. I found this over on ALSA's site; http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main There are so many listed I wouldn't know which one to get. lol Any idea if there's an average turn-out on success/fail with ALSA-compatible devices tested strictly via the "buy something and see for yourself" approach? > Mixers: > I use the Alesis 1622 in my studio. I bought this new a very long > time ago. That's a pretty big mixer! I don't want a small mixer, though I don't want a really big mixer. ;) > I use the TOA live, because it is a rackmount 10 channel mixer and > takes up only 8 spaces in a rack. I found both modules, the D-4 and > D-4E, used on Craig's list for $50US. It was local so was able to I > try it out before buying it. That's a good idea - craigslist - I'll have to look there too. > You can usually find these Behringer devices on-line. I usually > purchase new from AmericanMusical.com, MusiciansFriend.com or > zZounds.com. I usually purchase used from Craig's list. When it > comes to used gear, I like to try before I buy. I've purchased through musiciansfriend.com before though recently discovered that zzounds.com is pretty good about competing with prices, or matches them. > combination with rack mounted synths, I mix then all in the 1622 and > record into the Mac with ecasound. Do you use Ubuntu Studio or just Mac? > Another way to reduce latency is to not run a GUI environment like X > Windows, and use a command-line utility for the project such as I like using cli though prefer gui w/ this kind of thing. :) > ecasound. Other ways to reduce latency are to get the hardware as > close to the CPU as possible which is why I sometimes use the PCI As close as possible? > Figure out what it is you want to do, research how to do it, and then > stay in your budget when making a purchase. For example, I don't know > for certain if a USB MIDI controller device, like one of the Behringer > B-Control devices, can control the volume of a audio track in > Rosegarden. I am not going to make a purchasing decision until I have > exhausted my research. I'd like to record bass guitar, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, electronic drumset, midi keyboard, vocals, occasional woodwind/brass instruments. I've done some digging so far on the how-to... How would members of the Ubuntu Studio community suggest recording that? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> FYI, this is what I'm doing for a machine. > > Intel BOXDG45FC Mini ITX Intel Motherboard1291129 > Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor > 1691169 > Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory > 28.99257.98 > SAMSUNG Slim 8X DVD±R DVD Burner Black EIDE/ATAPI Model SN-S082H > 45.99145.99 > StarTech PCI-Express 1x Left Slot Riser Card Model PCIE1RIS > 16.99116.99 > Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive > 54.992109.98 > Morex 7677 1U Mini-ITX Rackmount w/200W ATX Power Supply1 > 189.991189.99 > CoolJag OAK-7 1U Server CPU Cooler - Socket 77532132 > > sub total750.93 Cool set-up. :) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Joan Quintana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These days 'm fighting with my new Roland Edirol UA-25EX (USB > connection). It seems that the UA-25 is well supported, but the new > UA-25EX not at all. It exists a patch, and these days I'm trying to > apply the patch and recompile the kernel, without success at the > moment. When this is done, I hope a lot of enjoy with UA-25EX (and I > hope that the lattency won't be a problem). Any comments about UA-25 > or UA-25EX? > > Joan Q. Only thing I can tell you is that the UA-25 works well. It's using the module snd-usb-audio which Ubuntu loads by itself. It works in basic and advanced mode the way it is supposed to work, which means plugging out and back in whenever you change those modes or the sample rate at the device. You could try to run it in basic mode using 44.1kHz. Maybe at least that works. I'm kinda surprised that it doesn't work, as the device doesn't look that different to me. Best, Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
These days 'm fighting with my new Roland Edirol UA-25EX (USB connection). It seems that the UA-25 is well supported, but the new UA-25EX not at all. It exists a patch, and these days I'm trying to apply the patch and recompile the kernel, without success at the moment. When this is done, I hope a lot of enjoy with UA-25EX (and I hope that the lattency won't be a problem). Any comments about UA-25 or UA-25EX? Joan Q. --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Matthew Polashek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Matthew Polashek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:18 PM Sean Darby wrote: >> There is only so much to say. Go Intel where you can. For sound, >> > make > >> sure it is supported by alsa and ffado. You should already have the links. >> >>> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use >>> with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? >>> >>> >> I am not much help here. I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind. >> > > > I'm considering a budget of $100 to $1,500. I know that's a huge range > low to high though I'm hoping to go as low as possible for good quality > recording, yet I understand that in some cases I might just have to bite > the bullet and get something that's more $$$. :-/ :-\ > > How do I know if the stuff supports alsa and ffado before I buy it? > > What links are you referring to that you said I should already have? > > Thank you! > > > > FYI, this is what I'm doing for a machine. Intel BOXDG45FC Mini ITX Intel Motherboard1291129 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor 1691169 Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory 28.99257.98 SAMSUNG Slim 8X DVD±R DVD Burner Black EIDE/ATAPI Model SN-S082H 45.99145.99 StarTech PCI-Express 1x Left Slot Riser Card Model PCIE1RIS 16.99116.99 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive 54.992109.98 Morex 7677 1U Mini-ITX Rackmount w/200W ATX Power Supply1 189.991189.99 CoolJag OAK-7 1U Server CPU Cooler - Socket 77532132 sub total750.93 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: >> There is only so much to say. Go Intel where you can. For sound, >> > make > >> sure it is supported by alsa and ffado. You should already have the links. >> >>> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use >>> with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? >>> >>> >> I am not much help here. I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind. >> > > > I'm considering a budget of $100 to $1,500. I know that's a huge range > low to high though I'm hoping to go as low as possible for good quality > recording, yet I understand that in some cases I might just have to bite > the bullet and get something that's more $$$. :-/ :-\ > > How do I know if the stuff supports alsa and ffado before I buy it? > > What links are you referring to that you said I should already have? > > Thank you! > > > > FYI, this is what I'm doing for a machine. Intel BOXDG45FC Mini ITX Intel Motherboard1291129 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor 1691169 Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory 28.99257.98 SAMSUNG Slim 8X DVD±R DVD Burner Black EIDE/ATAPI Model SN-S082H 45.99145.99 StarTech PCI-Express 1x Left Slot Riser Card Model PCIE1RIS 16.99116.99 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive 54.992109.98 Morex 7677 1U Mini-ITX Rackmount w/200W ATX Power Supply1 189.991189.99 CoolJag OAK-7 1U Server CPU Cooler - Socket 77532132 sub total750.93 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: >> There is only so much to say. Go Intel where you can. For sound, >> > make > >> sure it is supported by alsa and ffado. You should already have the links. >> >>> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use >>> with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? >>> >>> >> I am not much help here. I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind. >> > > > I'm considering a budget of $100 to $1,500. I know that's a huge range > low to high though I'm hoping to go as low as possible for good quality > recording, yet I understand that in some cases I might just have to bite > the bullet and get something that's more $$$. :-/ :-\ > > How do I know if the stuff supports alsa and ffado before I buy it? > There is a website dedicated to FFADO that has a list of working setups. > What links are you referring to that you said I should already have? > > Thank you! > > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I know you were addressing your message (below) to the other Sean, > though I am curious about some of the things you mentioned. > > Do you know what equipment definitely does work with Ubuntu Studio? Or > is there a website that lists what does work? > > Does USB normally present latency issues with audio/alsa? > Hi! It has been my experience, using a M-Audio MobilePre and an Event EZBus that there are latency problems with USB audio drivers for Linux. (Xruns at low latency) > What would be a better alternative to USB? > PCI seems to be the most solid most of the time. M-Audio and RME are the most well supported, but EMU is right behind I believe. > Some people have discouraged the use of firewire, though I'm not sure > why. > Firewire audio drivers are not well developed and the hardware manufactures have not been forthcoming with assistance. > You mentioned RME, some others have too, what would be a particular > model/item by RME that would be worth getting? > The best IMHO is the RME Hammerfall series. The 9652 is pretty great and really well supported in Linux by the manufacturer. An RME card with an Apogee clock and A/D with a True Systems Mic pre is a pretty common find in a studio these days. > You said RME PCI, is it just a sound card? Or is there an external > device with it? > There are RME interfaces with Breakout boxes and without. The Multiface and DIGIface are good as well as the hammerfall PCI stuff. > Thank you! > > > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 18:47 -0400, Matthew Polashek wrote: > >> Hi Sean- >> >> I bought a Multimix 8 for a friend of mine and it works fine. The pre's >> are a little crisp, but it's not terrible. I can do a test tomorrow and >> see how it is with ubuntu studio and a Dell D510, but I have a strong >> feeling there will be latency issues as there normally are with USB >> audio and Alsa. >> >> I might suggest that you craigslist or ebay all your usb/pci/out stuff >> and get an RME pci with the resulting cash. Keep the 1622. >> >> Matt >> >> Sean Edwards wrote: >> >>> zZounds has an Alesis MultiMix 8 USB mixer new for $159US, and factory >>> re-sealed for $135US. >>> >>> http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMULTIMIX8USB >>> >>> However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa. >>> >>> In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis >>> 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer. I can then mix, eq, >>> and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a >>> mixer output going into a Behringer UA202. >>> >>> If I want to record individual tracks simultaneously, I have 3 stereo/6 >>> mono inputs with the pci sound cards, 2 USB inputs with the UA202, 1 >>> stereo/2 mono inputs with the AC'97 (only if absolutely necessary), and the >>> guitar USB interface with the Behringer UCG102. That's a total of 11 input >>> channels. Once the project is captured in Rosegarden or ecasound, I can >>> manipulate each track. However, I never record all 11 channels at the same >>> time. >>> >>> -=Sean Edwards=- >>> >>> <---> >>> >>> Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer >>> (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? >>> >>> If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, >>> then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? >>> >>> Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: > "However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa." > > Do you know which devices (PCI or external) do work with Linux/ALSA, or > Ubuntu Studio in general (64-bit version if Studio has a 64-bit > version)? > There is a list of devices on the alsa website. > "In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an > Alesis 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer." > > What do you use the 2 mixers for? More channels or are they somehow > connected to each other for another (additional) function? > > "I can then mix, eq, and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and > bass in one shot with a mixer output going into a Behringer UA202." > > What is the UA202? I couldn't find it from a search. > > I'm guessing I'll need to do a raw recording of the separate instruments > into one program and do my editing in another program? (I'd like to > learn how to use all the Ubuntu Studio audio programs, I'm still > relatively new to ubustu.) > > Do you know of a good Yamaha or Mackie mixer that is around the $100 > I would be very careful about buying inexpensive mixers. The sacrifice is often made in Mic Pres and as my goof friend in NYC told me after doing a session for David Sanborn, your recording sounds is all in the pres. > range or would you advise getting something in a higher price range? > > Do you know of any less expensive alternatives to the E-MU 1616M? > > Thank you! > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Devices that work with ALSA: Unfortunately, the ALSA developers do not have the resources to test every device that appears on the market. Really, there are three ways to check compatiblity: The ALSA site http://www.alsa-project.org ; look into mailing list archives post a question to a list, news group, or irc chat ; and lastly, buy something and see for yourself. Mixers: I use the Alesis 1622 in my studio. I bought this new a very long time ago. I use the TOA live, because it is a rackmount 10 channel mixer and takes up only 8 spaces in a rack. I found both modules, the D-4 and D-4E, used on Craig's list for $50US. It was local so was able to I try it out before buying it. Behringer USB Devices: The Behringer unit is actually a UCA202, sorry for the misspelling in my previous messages: http://www.behringer.com/UCA202/index.cfm?lang=ENG The Behringer Guitar USB Interface, UCG 102: http://www.behringer.com/UCG102/index.cfm?lang=ENG Other Behringer USB products: http://www.behringer.com/02_products/computerbased_index.cfm?lang=ENG You can usually find these Behringer devices on-line. I usually purchase new from AmericanMusical.com, MusiciansFriend.com or zZounds.com. I usually purchase used from Craig's list. When it comes to used gear, I like to try before I buy. Latency can be a problem and there are many many resources that explain the nature of the problem and how to deal with it. One of the ways I deal with it is to do use external synths ( 2 Yamaha TX81Z's and an Alesis HR 16) to go into a mixer. If I am using software synths on my PC (Timidity, ZynAddSubFX, FluidSynth, Hydrogen, etc.) in combination with rack mounted synths, I mix then all in the 1622 and record into the Mac with ecasound. Another way to reduce latency is to not run a GUI environment like X Windows, and use a command-line utility for the project such as ecasound. Other ways to reduce latency are to get the hardware as close to the CPU as possible which is why I sometimes use the PCI cards, you cant off-load the processing intensive Analog/Digital and Digital/Analog conversion from the CPU to dedicated hardware like the Behringer devices listed above, and you can build the project one track at a time (Drums, then Keyboards/Pad, the Bass, then Guitar, then Vocals, etc.). If you have the resources to get the latency very low, you can combine MIDI sequencing, software synths, and audio recording into one utility like Rosegarden and do it all at once. Figure out what it is you want to do, research how to do it, and then stay in your budget when making a purchase. For example, I don't know for certain if a USB MIDI controller device, like one of the Behringer B-Control devices, can control the volume of a audio track in Rosegarden. I am not going to make a purchasing decision until I have exhausted my research. Above all else, do not forget Murphy's Law of Engineering: Every solution creates it's own set of problems -=Sean Edwards=- - From Original Message From: Sean Darby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production Do you know which devices (PCI or external) do work with Linux/ALSA What do you use the 2 mixers for? What is the UCA202? I'm guessing I'll need to do a raw recording of the separate instruments into one program and do my editing in another program? Do you know of any less expensive alternatives to the E-MU 1616M? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
"However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa." Do you know which devices (PCI or external) do work with Linux/ALSA, or Ubuntu Studio in general (64-bit version if Studio has a 64-bit version)? "In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer." What do you use the 2 mixers for? More channels or are they somehow connected to each other for another (additional) function? "I can then mix, eq, and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a mixer output going into a Behringer UA202." What is the UA202? I couldn't find it from a search. I'm guessing I'll need to do a raw recording of the separate instruments into one program and do my editing in another program? (I'd like to learn how to use all the Ubuntu Studio audio programs, I'm still relatively new to ubustu.) Do you know of a good Yamaha or Mackie mixer that is around the $100 range or would you advise getting something in a higher price range? Do you know of any less expensive alternatives to the E-MU 1616M? Thank you! -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Hi Matt, I know you were addressing your message (below) to the other Sean, though I am curious about some of the things you mentioned. Do you know what equipment definitely does work with Ubuntu Studio? Or is there a website that lists what does work? Does USB normally present latency issues with audio/alsa? What would be a better alternative to USB? Some people have discouraged the use of firewire, though I'm not sure why. You mentioned RME, some others have too, what would be a particular model/item by RME that would be worth getting? You said RME PCI, is it just a sound card? Or is there an external device with it? Thank you! On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 18:47 -0400, Matthew Polashek wrote: > Hi Sean- > > I bought a Multimix 8 for a friend of mine and it works fine. The pre's > are a little crisp, but it's not terrible. I can do a test tomorrow and > see how it is with ubuntu studio and a Dell D510, but I have a strong > feeling there will be latency issues as there normally are with USB > audio and Alsa. > > I might suggest that you craigslist or ebay all your usb/pci/out stuff > and get an RME pci with the resulting cash. Keep the 1622. > > Matt > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > zZounds has an Alesis MultiMix 8 USB mixer new for $159US, and factory > > re-sealed for $135US. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMULTIMIX8USB > > > > However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa. > > > > In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis > > 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer. I can then mix, eq, > > and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a > > mixer output going into a Behringer UA202. > > > > If I want to record individual tracks simultaneously, I have 3 stereo/6 > > mono inputs with the pci sound cards, 2 USB inputs with the UA202, 1 > > stereo/2 mono inputs with the AC'97 (only if absolutely necessary), and the > > guitar USB interface with the Behringer UCG102. That's a total of 11 input > > channels. Once the project is captured in Rosegarden or ecasound, I can > > manipulate each track. However, I never record all 11 channels at the same > > time. > > > > -=Sean Edwards=- > > > > <---> > > > > Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer > > (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? > > > > If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, > > then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? > > > > Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> There is only so much to say. Go Intel where you can. For sound, make > sure it is supported by alsa and ffado. You should already have the links. > > > > What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use > > with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? > > > I am not much help here. I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind. I'm considering a budget of $100 to $1,500. I know that's a huge range low to high though I'm hoping to go as low as possible for good quality recording, yet I understand that in some cases I might just have to bite the bullet and get something that's more $$$. :-/ :-\ How do I know if the stuff supports alsa and ffado before I buy it? What links are you referring to that you said I should already have? Thank you! -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
> Sean- > > What are your goals? what kind of product are you after? > > Matt Two primary objectives as far as music production goes: 1. Recording. 2. Composing. I would like to be able to record music, such as from my guitars (acoustic and electric), bass guitar, electronic drumset, and full-size MIDI keyboard. I'm thinking about getting a new keyboard, like a 2 octave one to put next to the computer keyboard, though for use primarily with composing. What could I get to successfully record those "rock band instruments"? I'm guessing microphones and a mixer, though am unsure what computer equipment I'll need - that is compatible with Linux. Side Note: Is there a 64-bit version of Ubuntu Studio? I'm aware of a 64-bit Ubuntu, though am unsure how Studio handles it. Thank you for any advice, especially on recording equipment that I could consider getting. I'd really like to have a better idea on all of this, and devices I can get on a "budget". We can say I have between $100 and $1,500 to put into this gear (excluding the actual cost of the (non-music-related) computer equipment). I know that's a large difference between low and high, though I'm hoping to keep it as low as possible without sacrificing quality. Thank you! Sean Darby > > Sean Darby wrote: > > That's an interesting mixer, I've never heard of "Allen and Heath". I'm > > looking for either Yamaha or Mackie, probably not Alesis. Hopefully > > there is a fairly small board with a good price tag, appropriate for a > > small home recording studio. I found a Yamaha for ~$100, though am > > willing to go a little higher if necessary, though would like to keep it > > pretty low (in the 100 range) if it is possible. > > > > Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer > > (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? > > > > If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, > > then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? > > > > Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:46 -0400, Karlheinz Noise wrote: > > > >>> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to > >>> > >> use > >> > >>> with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? > >>> > >> One other option to consider: Many mixers nowadays have USB audio > >> built into them. Several of the Behringers do this, and there are a > >> couple of flavors of Alesis MultiMix mixers also. > >> > >> If you can up your budget a little bit, Allen and Heath have a nice > >> mixer for around $400 that has USB audio: > >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--AAHZED14 > >> > >> I do not own any of these however, and I can't tell you how easy these > >> are to set up under UbuStu. I know at least one person on this list > >> has one of the Alesis mixers - care to chime in? > >> > >> -Karlheinz -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
If I could afford one, I would do that. -=Sean Edwards=- - From Original Message From: Matthew Polashek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production I might suggest that you craigslist or ebay all your usb/pci/out stuff and get an RME pci with the resulting cash. Keep the 1622. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Hi Sean- I bought a Multimix 8 for a friend of mine and it works fine. The pre's are a little crisp, but it's not terrible. I can do a test tomorrow and see how it is with ubuntu studio and a Dell D510, but I have a strong feeling there will be latency issues as there normally are with USB audio and Alsa. I might suggest that you craigslist or ebay all your usb/pci/out stuff and get an RME pci with the resulting cash. Keep the 1622. Matt Sean Edwards wrote: > zZounds has an Alesis MultiMix 8 USB mixer new for $159US, and factory > re-sealed for $135US. > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMULTIMIX8USB > > However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa. > > In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis > 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer. I can then mix, eq, and > record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a mixer > output going into a Behringer UA202. > > If I want to record individual tracks simultaneously, I have 3 stereo/6 mono > inputs with the pci sound cards, 2 USB inputs with the UA202, 1 stereo/2 mono > inputs with the AC'97 (only if absolutely necessary), and the guitar USB > interface with the Behringer UCG102. That's a total of 11 input channels. > Once the project is captured in Rosegarden or ecasound, I can manipulate each > track. However, I never record all 11 channels at the same time. > > -=Sean Edwards=- > > <---> > > Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer > (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? > > If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, > then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? > > Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? > > > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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zZounds has an Alesis MultiMix 8 USB mixer new for $159US, and factory re-sealed for $135US. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMULTIMIX8USB However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa. In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer. I can then mix, eq, and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a mixer output going into a Behringer UA202. If I want to record individual tracks simultaneously, I have 3 stereo/6 mono inputs with the pci sound cards, 2 USB inputs with the UA202, 1 stereo/2 mono inputs with the AC'97 (only if absolutely necessary), and the guitar USB interface with the Behringer UCG102. That's a total of 11 input channels. Once the project is captured in Rosegarden or ecasound, I can manipulate each track. However, I never record all 11 channels at the same time. -=Sean Edwards=- <---> Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean- What are your goals? what kind of product are you after? Matt Sean Darby wrote: > That's an interesting mixer, I've never heard of "Allen and Heath". I'm > looking for either Yamaha or Mackie, probably not Alesis. Hopefully > there is a fairly small board with a good price tag, appropriate for a > small home recording studio. I found a Yamaha for ~$100, though am > willing to go a little higher if necessary, though would like to keep it > pretty low (in the 100 range) if it is possible. > > Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer > (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? > > If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, > then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? > > Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? > > Thanks! > > > > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:46 -0400, Karlheinz Noise wrote: > >>> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to >>> >> use >> >>> with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? >>> >> One other option to consider: Many mixers nowadays have USB audio >> built into them. Several of the Behringers do this, and there are a >> couple of flavors of Alesis MultiMix mixers also. >> >> If you can up your budget a little bit, Allen and Heath have a nice >> mixer for around $400 that has USB audio: >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--AAHZED14 >> >> I do not own any of these however, and I can't tell you how easy these >> are to set up under UbuStu. I know at least one person on this list >> has one of the Alesis mixers - care to chime in? >> >> -Karlheinz >> _ >> http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz >> _ >> Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. >> http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 >> > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
That's an interesting mixer, I've never heard of "Allen and Heath". I'm looking for either Yamaha or Mackie, probably not Alesis. Hopefully there is a fairly small board with a good price tag, appropriate for a small home recording studio. I found a Yamaha for ~$100, though am willing to go a little higher if necessary, though would like to keep it pretty low (in the 100 range) if it is possible. Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag? If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer, then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M? Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available? Thanks! On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:46 -0400, Karlheinz Noise wrote: > > What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to > use > > with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? > > One other option to consider: Many mixers nowadays have USB audio > built into them. Several of the Behringers do this, and there are a > couple of flavors of Alesis MultiMix mixers also. > > If you can up your budget a little bit, Allen and Heath have a nice > mixer for around $400 that has USB audio: > http://www.zzounds.com/item--AAHZED14 > > I do not own any of these however, and I can't tell you how easy these > are to set up under UbuStu. I know at least one person on this list > has one of the Alesis mixers - care to chime in? > > -Karlheinz > _ > http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz > _ > Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
That's an interesting combination of gear. I wasn't sure if this would be effective though maybe some others on this list might know: Audio device that includes internal sound card + external interface. Mixer/microphones. Hook up the mics, go into the mixer, hook the mixer into the external sound device, which hooks up to the (internal) sound card on the computer, load the music apps (like in ubustu or 64studio), and go at it. Is that an effective way to do it? On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:44 -0700, Sean Edwards wrote: > Here is my budget Digital Audio Studio: > > Piece-meal Desktop PC with the following: > > 19" Monitor - Intercepted en route to dumpster > 1.5Ghz AMD (Sempron?) processor and motherboard - Intercepted en route to > dumpster > Imbedded On-board AC'97 sound card > 2GB RAM - Intercepted en route to dumpster > Creative Labs USB Sound Blaster - New $65US > (3) PCI Sound Blaster (audio playback, midi in and midi out) - 5 for $10US > and $5US S+H on eBay > Behringer UCB102 Guitar to USB interface - New $35US > Behringer UA202 USB to line-in/line out - New $35US > Ubuntu Studio > > Mac desktop with the following: > > Mac G3 Blue and White - Intercepted en route to dumpster > 17" Monitor - Intercepted en route to dumpster > Mac USB Keyboard and Mouse - Intercepted en route to dumpster > 2GB RAM - Intercepted en route to dumpster > Debian Linux > > -=Sean Edwards=- > > > ----- From Original Message > From: Sean Darby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Selecting Hardware for Music Production > > What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use > with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? > > Sean Darby > > > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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> What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use > with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? One other option to consider: Many mixers nowadays have USB audio built into them. Several of the Behringers do this, and there are a couple of flavors of Alesis MultiMix mixers also. If you can up your budget a little bit, Allen and Heath have a nice mixer for around $400 that has USB audio: http://www.zzounds.com/item--AAHZED14 I do not own any of these however, and I can't tell you how easy these are to set up under UbuStu. I know at least one person on this list has one of the Alesis mixers - care to chime in? -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Darby wrote: > Hello, > > I recently emailed this list regarding building my computer for "1/2 > gaming" and "1/2 music production"... it fizzled out pretty quick, I am > assuming due to the nature of some of the off-topic responses. In any > case, I would like to give this another go only I will focus this > subject specifically within the realm of what Studio users could > (hopefully) help with. There is only so much to say. Go Intel where you can. For sound, make sure it is supported by alsa and ffado. You should already have the links. > > What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use > with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? > I am not much help here. I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI/7sJwRXgH3rKGfMRAgW0AJ0Tg00Y2atpROXm23Nuk5VZQ96imQCgrMFs KK+pqGc6+7SNoBD6rvg1Mbc= =jaMx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Sean Darby wrote: > I heard the Emu 1616M is a good choice, though it's also $450. It > includes an internal sound card for the computer and an external device > for connecting instruments/mics/etc. > > I'm also interested in getting a mixer to go along with this. > > As an alternative for an internal sound card, I came across this: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001 > This is an interesting option, especially if you had an external A/D converter. > ...though I am unaware of the value in that, and if I am getting a mixer > perhaps I should get something similar to the Emu 1616 regardless. > > Does anybody know if there is a more affordable alternative to the Emu > 1616M? > > Here's a Yamaha small mixer that might go well with my computer: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMMG102C > > ...unless there are better alternatives? > > Here's the Emu 1616M: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU1616MPCI > I like this better. > After I decide on computer hardware and mixer, I will get a mic, > possibly a Shure SM57... > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--SHUSM57LC > > Might I suggest the Audio Technica AT2020? I have 3 of these and they surprisingly excellent given their price! > Thank you in advance for any input. > > Sean Darby > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Here is my budget Digital Audio Studio: Piece-meal Desktop PC with the following: 19" Monitor - Intercepted en route to dumpster 1.5Ghz AMD (Sempron?) processor and motherboard - Intercepted en route to dumpster Imbedded On-board AC'97 sound card 2GB RAM - Intercepted en route to dumpster Creative Labs USB Sound Blaster - New $65US (3) PCI Sound Blaster (audio playback, midi in and midi out) - 5 for $10US and $5US S+H on eBay Behringer UCB102 Guitar to USB interface - New $35US Behringer UA202 USB to line-in/line out - New $35US Ubuntu Studio Mac desktop with the following: Mac G3 Blue and White - Intercepted en route to dumpster 17" Monitor - Intercepted en route to dumpster Mac USB Keyboard and Mouse - Intercepted en route to dumpster 2GB RAM - Intercepted en route to dumpster Debian Linux -=Sean Edwards=- - From Original Message From: Sean Darby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Selecting Hardware for Music Production What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? Sean Darby -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Addendum- I will also be using 5.1 speakers for general computer use (next year I'll get monitor speakers dedicated to music production). The motherboard I'm getting has 8 audio channels, which I believe will support the use of 5.1, though that's just hardware, I'm unaware of compatibility between devices and various operating systems, aka Studio. I don't think I'll need an extra sound card for the 5.1 speakers if I have something similar to the Emu 1616 and the integrated card on the mainboard, though thought I'd check in here just in case. Otherwise, the 5.1 speakers are generic use, a headset mostly for gaming, and a special internal sound card, external sound device, and mixer for the purpose of producing music. Thank you! On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:33 -0500, Sean Darby wrote: > I heard the Emu 1616M is a good choice, though it's also $450. It > includes an internal sound card for the computer and an external device > for connecting instruments/mics/etc. > > I'm also interested in getting a mixer to go along with this. > > As an alternative for an internal sound card, I came across this: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001 > > ...though I am unaware of the value in that, and if I am getting a mixer > perhaps I should get something similar to the Emu 1616 regardless. > > Does anybody know if there is a more affordable alternative to the Emu > 1616M? > > Here's a Yamaha small mixer that might go well with my computer: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMMG102C > > ...unless there are better alternatives? > > Here's the Emu 1616M: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU1616MPCI > > After I decide on computer hardware and mixer, I will get a mic, > possibly a Shure SM57... > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--SHUSM57LC > > > Thank you in advance for any input. > > Sean Darby -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
I heard the Emu 1616M is a good choice, though it's also $450. It includes an internal sound card for the computer and an external device for connecting instruments/mics/etc. I'm also interested in getting a mixer to go along with this. As an alternative for an internal sound card, I came across this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001 ...though I am unaware of the value in that, and if I am getting a mixer perhaps I should get something similar to the Emu 1616 regardless. Does anybody know if there is a more affordable alternative to the Emu 1616M? Here's a Yamaha small mixer that might go well with my computer: http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMMG102C ...unless there are better alternatives? Here's the Emu 1616M: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU1616MPCI After I decide on computer hardware and mixer, I will get a mic, possibly a Shure SM57... http://www.zzounds.com/item--SHUSM57LC Thank you in advance for any input. Sean Darby -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Selecting Hardware for Music Production
Hello, I recently emailed this list regarding building my computer for "1/2 gaming" and "1/2 music production"... it fizzled out pretty quick, I am assuming due to the nature of some of the off-topic responses. In any case, I would like to give this another go only I will focus this subject specifically within the realm of what Studio users could (hopefully) help with. What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? Thank you, Sean Darby -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
