Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 22:11 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 03:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:26 +, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Before I decided to switch over to Linux/Ubuntu, I was contemplating an upgrade to a full 64 bit system. The one thing that stopped me was the lack of native 64 bit software in the Windows world (lots could be run in emulation mode or whatever, but it wasn't true 64 bit). My question is: How does the 64 bit transition work in Ubuntuland, i.e. will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? Everything in the Ubuntu 64 bit repo is 64 bit, so will utilise your 64 bit hardware. The only area where 64 bit apps are occasionally missing are proprietary drivers for some hardware eg some wireless card/dongles. These are easily avoided though. Whether things will run faster/better is another matter. If this is the wrong place to discuss this, just let me know and I can go to the forums with this instead. Thanks in advance, Casey -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net Yes, 64 bit on Linux is 64 bit and at least on my machine it has got advantages. JACK1 isn't ok on my 64 bit machine, hence I use JACK2. On 64 bit Ubuntu Linux you can run some 32 bit software in a 32 bit chroot or some other software by using a command to add 32 bit libs. On 64 bit Suse Linux the design is a little bit different, here it's able even to use some proprietary 32 bit drivers, e.g. the LightScribe drivers. I've got issues with VSTs on my 64 bit Linux, but on 64 bit wineasio I was able to run VSTs, while IMO wineasio is unusable regarding to jitter. I'm not missing VSTs, but it's because I don't need a lot of virtual stuff. If you need some loudness war FX, real vocoders, Auto-Tune, perfect ARP synth emulations, a synth choir that will sing your lyrics, a classical orchestra, a superguitar FX rack and some other stuff and you shouldn't care about ethics, Linux isn't the right choice. At least the loudness war can be done with Linux too, by using JAMin, but JAMin needs a lot of resources, so this can become an issue. The only thing I'm missing on Linux is a soundfont and gig player with integrated editor and proper timing for external MIDI equipment and sometimes an orchestra emulation. I also won't do live recordings with Linux for money. At home I'm using Linux only, but even at home I do have a lot of external audio equipment. YMMV Ralf PS: Is professional audio/ video sync to external devices important for you? Or poly-rhythm by a MIDI sequencer? This can't be done with Linux. OTOH, on other OSs expensive hardware and expensive software is needed to realise things that aren't able with Linux. Most of this stuff isn't FLOSS or if you don't care for ethics, it's also not available as crack. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users the only software that i miss in my 64bit install is lightscribe. plenty of workarounds for that (chroot, VM, dual-booting, bothering the vendor til a native app comes while using lightscribe on another machine running 32bit)... would i install 64bit on that machine next time? i think so. I guess we don't need LightScribe every day and because using LightScribe takes minutes, it shouldn't be a problem to restart the computer and boot another Linux, which just takes some seconds. On a default Suse 64-bit the 32-bit LightScrib driver is working, but I prefer Debian based Linux. Hard disks aren't expensive anymore and a multi-boot is easy to do. I don't conceal that I'm not fine
Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
Am Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 schrieb Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com: will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? I don't miss any software in my 64 bit Linux installs. What you might miss is 32 bit VST plugins via wine in your native DAW (like ardour2), but I don't;-) Anyhow, all the open source software, especially anything being actively developed and used in the audio realm, should be there for you in 64 bits. It is for me. I do run ubuntu studio on one 64 bit machine, as 64 bit system. Alrighty then, Thomas. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:26 +, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Before I decided to switch over to Linux/Ubuntu, I was contemplating an upgrade to a full 64 bit system. The one thing that stopped me was the lack of native 64 bit software in the Windows world (lots could be run in emulation mode or whatever, but it wasn't true 64 bit). My question is: How does the 64 bit transition work in Ubuntuland, i.e. will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? Everything in the Ubuntu 64 bit repo is 64 bit, so will utilise your 64 bit hardware. The only area where 64 bit apps are occasionally missing are proprietary drivers for some hardware eg some wireless card/dongles. These are easily avoided though. Whether things will run faster/better is another matter. If this is the wrong place to discuss this, just let me know and I can go to the forums with this instead. Thanks in advance, Casey -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net Yes, 64 bit on Linux is 64 bit and at least on my machine it has got advantages. JACK1 isn't ok on my 64 bit machine, hence I use JACK2. On 64 bit Ubuntu Linux you can run some 32 bit software in a 32 bit chroot or some other software by using a command to add 32 bit libs. On 64 bit Suse Linux the design is a little bit different, here it's able even to use some proprietary 32 bit drivers, e.g. the LightScribe drivers. I've got issues with VSTs on my 64 bit Linux, but on 64 bit wineasio I was able to run VSTs, while IMO wineasio is unusable regarding to jitter. I'm not missing VSTs, but it's because I don't need a lot of virtual stuff. If you need some loudness war FX, real vocoders, Auto-Tune, perfect ARP synth emulations, a synth choir that will sing your lyrics, a classical orchestra, a superguitar FX rack and some other stuff and you shouldn't care about ethics, Linux isn't the right choice. At least the loudness war can be done with Linux too, by using JAMin, but JAMin needs a lot of resources, so this can become an issue. The only thing I'm missing on Linux is a soundfont and gig player with integrated editor and proper timing for external MIDI equipment and sometimes an orchestra emulation. I also won't do live recordings with Linux for money. At home I'm using Linux only, but even at home I do have a lot of external audio equipment. YMMV Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 03:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:26 +, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Before I decided to switch over to Linux/Ubuntu, I was contemplating an upgrade to a full 64 bit system. The one thing that stopped me was the lack of native 64 bit software in the Windows world (lots could be run in emulation mode or whatever, but it wasn't true 64 bit). My question is: How does the 64 bit transition work in Ubuntuland, i.e. will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? Everything in the Ubuntu 64 bit repo is 64 bit, so will utilise your 64 bit hardware. The only area where 64 bit apps are occasionally missing are proprietary drivers for some hardware eg some wireless card/dongles. These are easily avoided though. Whether things will run faster/better is another matter. If this is the wrong place to discuss this, just let me know and I can go to the forums with this instead. Thanks in advance, Casey -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net Yes, 64 bit on Linux is 64 bit and at least on my machine it has got advantages. JACK1 isn't ok on my 64 bit machine, hence I use JACK2. On 64 bit Ubuntu Linux you can run some 32 bit software in a 32 bit chroot or some other software by using a command to add 32 bit libs. On 64 bit Suse Linux the design is a little bit different, here it's able even to use some proprietary 32 bit drivers, e.g. the LightScribe drivers. I've got issues with VSTs on my 64 bit Linux, but on 64 bit wineasio I was able to run VSTs, while IMO wineasio is unusable regarding to jitter. I'm not missing VSTs, but it's because I don't need a lot of virtual stuff. If you need some loudness war FX, real vocoders, Auto-Tune, perfect ARP synth emulations, a synth choir that will sing your lyrics, a classical orchestra, a superguitar FX rack and some other stuff and you shouldn't care about ethics, Linux isn't the right choice. At least the loudness war can be done with Linux too, by using JAMin, but JAMin needs a lot of resources, so this can become an issue. The only thing I'm missing on Linux is a soundfont and gig player with integrated editor and proper timing for external MIDI equipment and sometimes an orchestra emulation. I also won't do live recordings with Linux for money. At home I'm using Linux only, but even at home I do have a lot of external audio equipment. YMMV Ralf PS: Is professional audio/ video sync to external devices important for you? Or poly-rhythm by a MIDI sequencer? This can't be done with Linux. OTOH, on other OSs expensive hardware and expensive software is needed to realise things that aren't able with Linux. Most of this stuff isn't FLOSS or if you don't care for ethics, it's also not available as crack. So, for what kind of 64 bit software are you asking? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 03:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:26 +, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Before I decided to switch over to Linux/Ubuntu, I was contemplating an upgrade to a full 64 bit system. The one thing that stopped me was the lack of native 64 bit software in the Windows world (lots could be run in emulation mode or whatever, but it wasn't true 64 bit). My question is: How does the 64 bit transition work in Ubuntuland, i.e. will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? Everything in the Ubuntu 64 bit repo is 64 bit, so will utilise your 64 bit hardware. The only area where 64 bit apps are occasionally missing are proprietary drivers for some hardware eg some wireless card/dongles. These are easily avoided though. Whether things will run faster/better is another matter. If this is the wrong place to discuss this, just let me know and I can go to the forums with this instead. Thanks in advance, Casey -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net Yes, 64 bit on Linux is 64 bit and at least on my machine it has got advantages. JACK1 isn't ok on my 64 bit machine, hence I use JACK2. On 64 bit Ubuntu Linux you can run some 32 bit software in a 32 bit chroot or some other software by using a command to add 32 bit libs. On 64 bit Suse Linux the design is a little bit different, here it's able even to use some proprietary 32 bit drivers, e.g. the LightScribe drivers. I've got issues with VSTs on my 64 bit Linux, but on 64 bit wineasio I was able to run VSTs, while IMO wineasio is unusable regarding to jitter. I'm not missing VSTs, but it's because I don't need a lot of virtual stuff. If you need some loudness war FX, real vocoders, Auto-Tune, perfect ARP synth emulations, a synth choir that will sing your lyrics, a classical orchestra, a superguitar FX rack and some other stuff and you shouldn't care about ethics, Linux isn't the right choice. At least the loudness war can be done with Linux too, by using JAMin, but JAMin needs a lot of resources, so this can become an issue. The only thing I'm missing on Linux is a soundfont and gig player with integrated editor and proper timing for external MIDI equipment and sometimes an orchestra emulation. I also won't do live recordings with Linux for money. At home I'm using Linux only, but even at home I do have a lot of external audio equipment. YMMV Ralf PS: Is professional audio/ video sync to external devices important for you? Or poly-rhythm by a MIDI sequencer? This can't be done with Linux. OTOH, on other OSs expensive hardware and expensive software is needed to realise things that aren't able with Linux. Most of this stuff isn't FLOSS or if you don't care for ethics, it's also not available as crack. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users the only software that i miss in my 64bit install is lightscribe. plenty of workarounds for that (chroot, VM, dual-booting, bothering the vendor til a native app comes while using lightscribe on another machine running 32bit)... would i install 64bit on that machine next time? i think so. -- MH http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ http://wnclug.ourproject.org/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 64 bit program availability
When I installed my 64bits, the only problem I has was with my wireless card, but I did that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1617290 and then no problem at all. Audio, graphics, video... everything working. --- Verdajn brakumojn el la plej verda loko de la tuta mondo, Sammondane, Ĥod Em 13 de janeiro de 2011 06h53min45s UTC-4, Thomas Orgis thomas-fo...@orgis.org escreveu: Am Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:57:40 -0800 schrieb Casey Forslund cforsl...@gmail.com: will I be able to use all of the programs that come pre-installed with Ubuntu studio, and would they be true/native 64 bit, able to fully utilize 64 bit hardware etc? I don't miss any software in my 64 bit Linux installs. What you might miss is 32 bit VST plugins via wine in your native DAW (like ardour2), but I don't;-) Anyhow, all the open source software, especially anything being actively developed and used in the audio realm, should be there for you in 64 bits. It is for me. I do run ubuntu studio on one 64 bit machine, as 64 bit system. Alrighty then, Thomas. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
