audio hardware selection?
Hi All, Forgive me if I've posted a similar question here before...I've been asking in so many Ubuntu forums I've forgotten. I'm new to Ubuntu Studio and I'd like to be able to record 8 to 12 channels of audio via usb or firewire. I'd also like to get it working with the least amount of hassle and under $1000 USD (under $500 USD would be nice) To that end, does anyone have any recommendations on hardware that just works, or nearly so? Thanks, Mac mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Development Testing (was: Re: audio hardware)
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote: > >> So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev? >> > > My fame and glory precede me again. :) > Cool. Please feel free to contact us with any issues with Rosegarden in Ubuntu and I will make it a point to do the same. We have been thinking about breaking slightly with Debian in order to provide newer packages. This cannot happen for Gutsy because of freeze as you know but we're hoping to make Hardy rock. So tap us with any issues. The ubuntu-studio-devel ML and #ubuntustudio will be best for these issues. _MMA_, luisbg, jussi01 or TheMuso are good points of contact there. -Cory -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: audio hardware
On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote: > Yes. This is a pain I agree but is the system we (the Ubuntu Studio > project) work with. :( We really try to work with upstream as much as we > can. You'd probably be surprised how rarely we hear from maintainers from any distro. It's weird. > I do feel that old isn't bad and that people need to stop wanting > "bleeding edge" with everything. The other side of that coin is when the users come to us to bitch about bugs we fixed 18 months ago in a release that's been out for a year. I'm sure other projects feel the same way, but I can also sympathize with how painful your job is. Everybody wants the very latest incremental point release with three enhanced new icons, even though it came out a week after the freeze you announced well in advance. I don't have any better ideas than the current scheme of things. It's just annoying for all parties involved. Plus the pay seriously sucks, and the hot gorgeous chicks have NOT been beating a path to my door. Don't know about you. :D > So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev? My fame and glory precede me again. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Development Testing (was: Re: audio hardware)
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote: > >> Off Topic: >> I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a >> release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure >> things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact >> becomes more of an issue than before release. >> > > Speaking from the project, rather than distro level, I'd still like to echo > those comments wholeheartedly. Rosegarden's pre-release testing sucks. > We're too close to it to be good testers, and most users stick with whatever > comes with their distro, which is usually a version or more out of date to > boot. > So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev? > Looks like we're about to lose another race with Gutsy. We're trying to > release by the end of this month, and Gutsy will probably be frozen or > released by then. I haven't looked at your schedule, but people are making > noises like Gutsy is already mostly usable, so I figure it's going to come > out stuck with our last release. Again. > Yes. This is a pain I agree but is the system we (the Ubuntu Studio project) work with. :( We really try to work with upstream as much as we can. Thing that slows us down sometimes is that its important for us to sync from Debian. Kinda a "trickle-down" effect. Though, it can often mean that by the time it hits Ubuntu the app is a little old. I do feel that old isn't bad and that people need to stop wanting "bleeding edge" with everything. > This whole production model is a pain in the ass. Oh well. At least the pay > is great, right? Plus all the fame and glory when people on the street know > your name, and the project(s) you work on, and get you to sign autographs > everywhere you go. > Yes. We're all geeky rock-stars. :D -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: audio hardware
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote: > >> Off Topic: >> I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a >> release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure >> things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact >> becomes more of an issue than before release. >> > > Speaking from the project, rather than distro level, I'd still like to echo > those comments wholeheartedly. Rosegarden's pre-release testing sucks. > We're too close to it to be good testers, and most users stick with whatever > comes with their distro, which is usually a version or more out of date to > boot. > So I'm guessing you're a Rosegarden dev? > Looks like we're about to lose another race with Gutsy. We're trying to > release by the end of this month, and Gutsy will probably be frozen or > released by then. I haven't looked at your schedule, but people are making > noises like Gutsy is already mostly usable, so I figure it's going to come > out stuck with our last release. Again. > Yes. This is a pain I agree but is the system we (the Ubuntu Studio project) work with. :( We really try to work with upstream as much as we can. Thing that slows us down sometimes is that its important for us to sync from Debian. Kinda a "trickle-down" effect. Though, it can often mean that by the time it hits Ubuntu the app is a little old. I do feel that old isn't bad and that people need to stop wanting "bleeding edge" with everything. > This whole production model is a pain in the ass. Oh well. At least the pay > is great, right? Plus all the fame and glory when people on the street know > your name, and the project(s) you work on, and get you to sign autographs > everywhere you go. > Yes. We're all geeky rock-stars. :D -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: audio hardware
On Monday 17 September 2007, Cory K. wrote: > Off Topic: > I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a > release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure > things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact > becomes more of an issue than before release. Speaking from the project, rather than distro level, I'd still like to echo those comments wholeheartedly. Rosegarden's pre-release testing sucks. We're too close to it to be good testers, and most users stick with whatever comes with their distro, which is usually a version or more out of date to boot. Looks like we're about to lose another race with Gutsy. We're trying to release by the end of this month, and Gutsy will probably be frozen or released by then. I haven't looked at your schedule, but people are making noises like Gutsy is already mostly usable, so I figure it's going to come out stuck with our last release. Again. This whole production model is a pain in the ass. Oh well. At least the pay is great, right? Plus all the fame and glory when people on the street know your name, and the project(s) you work on, and get you to sign autographs everywhere you go. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: audio hardware
Jonathan Leonard wrote: > Hi Raphael, freebirth won't open for me either and I am not sure why > Ubuntu would include non-functioning software in their studio flavour. It was reported a update broke things. I can say however that Freebirth launches fine in Gutsy. Off Topic: I'd also like to say that our users are also responsible for how a release turns out. You must test the development releases to make sure things work and report what doesn't. Fixing things after the fact becomes more of an issue than before release. -Cory -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: audio hardware
On 9/17/07, Rafael F. Compte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have thought about external audio hardware but I haven't found what > I'm looking for. That really sounds like a great idea since the > integrated Intel sound card of my laptop isn't exactly top notch... > First I thought about an Audigy sz2 notebook PCMCIA but it looks like it > isn't very well supported in linux. Is it better if it is PCMCIA or is > it just the same as an external USB device? Any diffrences? Any ideas? > > By the way I also couldn't open Freebirth. There must be a problem with > the package. I even reinstalled it through Synaptics... did nothing... I > don't get any messages. Just won't open. > > Rafael Hi Raphael, freebirth won't open for me either and I am not sure why Ubuntu would include non-functioning software in their studio flavour. In my experience pcmcia is much better compared to USB - without inspiring geeks to counter that declarative statement regarding the protocols I can only say that the way the gear is built and implemented, USB is still incredibly unreliable on all platforms - though its great for moving pictures off of cameras. PCMCIA cards are usually more professional and lower latency. Though you should check to see if your laptop has a TI chipset. If not, you may never realize the difference between the 2. My advice is if you do not have a dedicated TI chipset to manage the pcmcia cards and instead have some more generic chipset that manages all the communication ports - don't bother with pcmcia, go for USB or better, stick with your integrated card. If the dynamics and frequency response are the real issue, maybe this can be improved with another sound card, but you may have to use very high >1024 samples to get clear artifact free audio. So my question for your laptop is - what chipset is handling the pcmcia or cardbus on your laptop? On my laptop I use the multiface II from RME with a cardbus host adapter. In the US you can purchase this as a bundle for around $650. I can confirm personally that this is well supported in ALSA - but as with anything in ubuntu studio, plan on building the alsa firmware, drivers, libs and utils yourself. I am also having great luck with the echoaudio Layla 20 in linux - this is pci but the same company makes a pcmcia card called the Indigo IO that is pcmcia. It may be worth checking the alsa soundcard matrix to see if this is supported. The Indigo IO can be purchased for less than $200 and provides excellent stereo input and ouput in a pcmcia card. Though its connectors are not professional - 1/8th inch - it has a professional sound and can provide reliable sub 10ms latency on a variety of platforms. The Indigo DJ has 2 stereo outputs if you need an extra monitor out for headphones in addition to the main house outputs. If I can have an influence at all, I wold steer you towards pcmcia because there is no cable, and the cards are more professional. I simply cannot recommend a single USB audio device period. But I am a musician who demands low latency and my expectations might be higher than someone just playing mp3 and watching movies. Of the 2 companies I mentioned, RME and EchoAudio - both have superior support beyond your purchase. In my case, echoaudio replaced my layla20 power supply 4 years after it was purchased at no charge. They also cleaned up the unit while it was out for repair. I bought it in '99 and in Ubuntu Studio it just plain rocks. The multiface II would be the class kit for you, but if you are not an audio engineer or musician it would be overkill. But it is halfrack ;) Hope this helps and let us know how things work out! -Jonathan Adams Leonard my latest track produced entirely in Ubuntu Studio: http://www.jonathanleonard.com/songs/2007/mp3/reapers_wish.mp3 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
audio hardware
I have thought about external audio hardware but I haven't found what I'm looking for. That really sounds like a great idea since the integrated Intel sound card of my laptop isn't exactly top notch... First I thought about an Audigy sz2 notebook PCMCIA but it looks like it isn't very well supported in linux. Is it better if it is PCMCIA or is it just the same as an external USB device? Any diffrences? Any ideas? By the way I also couldn't open Freebirth. There must be a problem with the package. I even reinstalled it through Synaptics... did nothing... I don't get any messages. Just won't open. Rafael -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
