Re: [ubuntu-uk] A couple of things..
Michael Wood wrote: > It would be good if people here could note down/blog/send in how they > got involved in any open source projects, especially if you're a > developer as that can be quite confusing. > Thats timely, since I just woke this morning and I thought: "Wouldn't it be a great idea to invite an Open Source Developer from the (k)Ubuntu community to join the #ubuntu-uk once every couple of months and we can do a questions and answer session ? Very much in the style of the Ubuntu Open Week." My very specific aim was to help people gain some insight into how people get involved and to try and increase awareness of how we can be reporting back and staying in contact with the upstream developers. The partiuclary helps us focus on the Mentoring idea Popey put forward at LWE. I'll add this to the agenda for this evening. Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] A couple of things..
Hello ubuntu uk Got a couple of things i've been thinking about. -- A guy came into #ubuntu-uk asking how to get involved in open source software yesterday. We helped him out and pointed him in the right direction hopefully, but it struck me that the easiest way that we explained it was through our own experience. It would be good if people here could note down/blog/send in how they got involved in any open source projects, especially if you're a developer as that can be quite confusing. Then we could compile a list and use that as a resource for helping people. -- I would also quite like to discuss what people think the role of ubuntu-uk.org is or should be and if they are interested in the site being ubuntu.com'ed see http://www.ubuntu-uk.org/dev/new/ for a mock-up maybe we could stick this on the agenda for the meeting today ? -- /\/\ichael [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] \/\/ood [ http://michaelwood.me.uk ] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
norman wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 20:27 +, Adam Bagnall wrote: > >> norman wrote: >> >>> Thanks for responding. >>> >>> < snip > >>> >>> >>> Are there any error messages appearing in Kino? You need the raw1394 kernel module loaded with the correct permissions to grab from dv IIRC. Add raw1394 to /etc/modules >>> Unless I am being stupid I cannot find /etc/modules but there >>> is /etc/modutils. Please be kind enough to explain. >>> >>> then, in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules change the GROUP part of the line starting with KERNEL=="raw1394", to "video" >>> This I have done. >>> >>> Editing both those files has to be done as root (using sudo). This solved all my problems. > > >> sudo gedit /etc/modules >> >> That should allow you to edit the file. If that file is empty then just >> type raw1394 on a line by itself and save the file. >> > > Followed your instructions and, sure enough, there was the file with > some entries, so I added raw1394. Then I rebooted but, I am sorry to > say, I still get the following error on selecting capture:- > > WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to > read/write /dev/raw... > > Thanks for your help. so far, but I am puzzled. > > Norman > > > > if lsmod | grep raw1394 lists anything then the module is loaded and the permissions on /dev/raw are incorrect. sudo chmod 777 /dev/rawwill give you the necessary permissions, although you'll have to set this manually each time you restart your computer and wish to use your camcorder. If it still doesnt work then sorry but I'm out of further ideas. Adam. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 20:27 +, Adam Bagnall wrote: > norman wrote: > > Thanks for responding. > > > > < snip > > > > > > >> Are there any error messages appearing in Kino? You need the raw1394 > >> kernel module loaded with the correct permissions to grab from dv IIRC. > >> Add raw1394 to > >> > >> /etc/modules > >> > > > > Unless I am being stupid I cannot find /etc/modules but there > > is /etc/modutils. Please be kind enough to explain. > > > >> then, in > >> > >> /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules > >> > >> change the GROUP part of the line starting with KERNEL=="raw1394", to > >> "video" > >> > > > > This I have done. > > > >> Editing both those files has to be done as root (using sudo). This > >> solved all my problems. > sudo gedit /etc/modules > > That should allow you to edit the file. If that file is empty then just > type raw1394 on a line by itself and save the file. Followed your instructions and, sure enough, there was the file with some entries, so I added raw1394. Then I rebooted but, I am sorry to say, I still get the following error on selecting capture:- WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw... Thanks for your help. so far, but I am puzzled. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
norman wrote: > Thanks for responding. > > < snip > > > >> Are there any error messages appearing in Kino? You need the raw1394 >> kernel module loaded with the correct permissions to grab from dv IIRC. >> Add raw1394 to >> >> /etc/modules >> > > Unless I am being stupid I cannot find /etc/modules but there > is /etc/modutils. Please be kind enough to explain. > >> then, in >> >> /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules >> >> change the GROUP part of the line starting with KERNEL=="raw1394", to >> "video" >> > > This I have done. > >> Editing both those files has to be done as root (using sudo). This >> solved all my problems. >> >> Adam. >> >> > > > sudo gedit /etc/modules That should allow you to edit the file. If that file is empty then just type raw1394 on a line by itself and save the file. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
Thanks for responding. < snip > > Are there any error messages appearing in Kino? You need the raw1394 > kernel module loaded with the correct permissions to grab from dv IIRC. > Add raw1394 to > > /etc/modules Unless I am being stupid I cannot find /etc/modules but there is /etc/modutils. Please be kind enough to explain. > > then, in > > /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules > > change the GROUP part of the line starting with KERNEL=="raw1394", to > "video" This I have done. > > Editing both those files has to be done as root (using sudo). This > solved all my problems. > > Adam. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
norman wrote: > Having recently changed from 6.06.1 to 6.10 I am not able to capture my > videos using Kino as I used to. Could someone please advise me on > either, what I can try to get Kino working again or, failing that, > recommend some other application to do the job. Thanks > > Norman > Are there any error messages appearing in Kino? You need the raw1394 kernel module loaded with the correct permissions to grab from dv IIRC. Add raw1394 to /etc/modules then, in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules change the GROUP part of the line starting with KERNEL=="raw1394", to "video" Editing both those files has to be done as root (using sudo). This solved all my problems. Adam. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
< snip > > I can only share my own experiences here, but hopefully they will be of > some use to you. < snip > > If you wanted to try an alternative to Kino, purely for getting the DV > data from the camcorder onto your machine for later processing, you > could try dvgrab. As for video editing, I'm afraid I'm not of much > help, as I haven't got as far as that yet! > > Hope that helps, I tried dvgrab but it tells me that my camera does not exist. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
< snip > I am totally ignorant about this sort of thing therefore, have no idea what this means. However, I did dmesg and have extracted the following:- [17180162.704000] ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0800460104be71fb] [17180162.852000] ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized [17180407.896000] ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0800460104be71fb] [17180620.248000] ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0800460104be71fb] [17180671.736000] ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0800460104be71fb] Is this any help in sorting things out. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] And now my MP reply...
On 15/12/06, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/12/06, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They think that we need to educate children on what they will use in > > the work place - which to be honest is all windows. > The workplace will use whatever people are educated in. It's certainly true that employers don't want to pay for training unless they have to. If the workforce comes pre-trained in windows then it's considerably cheaper to use it. > > > > I've been advised at College, and in careers advice places, that I > > should study Microsoft qualifications as in the real world Microsoft > > dominate, *on the server*. I was told Unix is dying out.. > Unix is going to die, but it will be replaced with Linux, NOT Microsoft. I understand that red hat has 50% of the server market. This doesn't seem to be known by careers or college staff... I agree that proprietary unix will die out - but having played with open bsd I'm really impressed by its quality. I think there will be (or should be) a future for free unix.. > In my house there are probably a number of Linux systems. > This PC runs Linux (yay me), the router runs Linux, yay router, I have > no idea what the set top box uses, but I suppose it could be Linux. > My router is linux too :) > If they tell you that Linux is not being used and you should learn > Windows then you should know they are lying!!! > I was in the office of a guy who did research into DSP (Digital Signal > Processing), and told me that if I knew Linux I could expect a > significantly higher starting salary. > I also noticed his book shelf was dotted with books about Linux. This hasn't filtered down to outside academia. I first used unix at University, if you've never been to University you may have only ever used windows. It appears that the more impressive your set up, the more likely you are not to be using windows. The poorer your are, and the less educated your staff, the more likely it is that you are using windows on the server. *nix is harder, but superior. > Personally I know both Windows and Linux, my Uni forces me to use > both. My adult education college and my Cisco course require me to use windows. I naturally use linux at home and convert formats as needed. I've had some concern from staff that my presentations may not be as good as they see me using what they see as inferior tools.. (In practice this hasn't been a problem..) As a future network admin I don't see myself having to deal with bloody windows 2003 server if I can manage it. I know linux and bsd are superior. > To say we can't teach people Linux and Free/Open Source software > because it isn't used is rubbish. Mainstream jobs never require linux skills on the desktop - IT at work for non technical staff *does* mean windows and office alas. It doesn't mean it always will, but currently microsoft is the defacto standard. The fact that it shouldn't be doesn't alter the fact that it is. It's the fact that IT college staff are telling people that it's the standard *on the server* is a problem. It clearly isn't, even if people with windows qualifications would like it to be.. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
James Tait wrote:
> IEEE1394 adapter to work. In the output from dmesg, I saw an error
> along the lines of "nobody cared, try using irqpoll" (apologies, I don't
> have the exact message available now as I've cured, or at least worked
> around the problem), which is exactly what I did -- I supplied the
Sorry to reply to my own mail, but I found an instance of the dmesg
output I was referring to:
[ 17.586987] ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]
GUID[00c09f613a20]
[ 17.689676] irq 233: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[ 17.689735]
[ 17.689736] Call Trace: {ret_from_intr+0}
[ 17.689970]{__report_bad_irq+53}
{note_interrupt+544}
[ 17.690216]{__do_IRQ+224}
{do_IRQ+66}
[ 17.690457]{:processor:acpi_processor_idle+0}
[ 17.690607]{ret_from_intr+0}
{acpi_hw_register_write+371}
[ 17.690894]{:processor:acpi_processor_idle+473}
[ 17.691042]{:processor:acpi_processor_idle+0}
[ 17.691187]{:processor:acpi_processor_idle+0}
[ 17.691334]{cpu_idle+158}
{start_kernel+523}
[ 17.691574]{_sinittext+659}
[ 17.691759] handlers:
[ 17.691809] [] (ohci_irq_handler+0x0/0x7ff [ohci1394])
[ 17.691951] Disabling IRQ #233
This may or may not be what you're experiencing, only your dmesg will
tell you for sure.
JT
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
norman wrote: > Having recently changed from 6.06.1 to 6.10 I am not able to capture my > videos using Kino as I used to. Could someone please advise me on > either, what I can try to get Kino working again or, failing that, > recommend some other application to do the job. Thanks I can only share my own experiences here, but hopefully they will be of some use to you. I now run Edgy (6.10) on my laptop and since the upgrade from Dapper, I've had to do some tweaking of kernel boot options in order for my IEEE1394 adapter to work. In the output from dmesg, I saw an error along the lines of "nobody cared, try using irqpoll" (apologies, I don't have the exact message available now as I've cured, or at least worked around the problem), which is exactly what I did -- I supplied the irqpoll option to the kernel from the grub boot screen -- and the IEEE1394 now seems to work correctly. If you wanted to try an alternative to Kino, purely for getting the DV data from the camcorder onto your machine for later processing, you could try dvgrab. As for video editing, I'm afraid I'm not of much help, as I haven't got as far as that yet! Hope that helps, JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | Mobile: +44 (0)7779 337596 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] digital camcorder
Having recently changed from 6.06.1 to 6.10 I am not able to capture my videos using Kino as I used to. Could someone please advise me on either, what I can try to get Kino working again or, failing that, recommend some other application to do the job. Thanks Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:55:50AM +, Tony Arnold wrote: > Matthew, > > Matthew East wrote: > > >>> You could try getting her to do the "download the cd, put it in the > >>> drive, follow the instructions" approach, I believe that works. > > Maybe I should be brave and get her to do this, however, you need to > bear in mind that a few months ago she was just learning how to use a mouse! > I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want the other person to get a negative image of Ubuntu. Users shouldn't have to use the command line unless absolutely necessary, and having them type obscure commands in a terminal doesn't look particularly nice. IMO. As I said, I wouldn't upgrade at all if I were you. Dapper works. As the adage goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade
Matthew, Matthew East wrote: >>> You could try getting her to do the "download the cd, put it in the >>> drive, follow the instructions" approach, I believe that works. Maybe I should be brave and get her to do this, however, you need to bear in mind that a few months ago she was just learning how to use a mouse! >>> Alternatively, maybe ssh in and do the upgrade for her remotely? I guess my original question was asking if that is a safe thing to do. from the replies, I'm assuming it is. > Sorry, having now read the rest of the thread, I see this has been > extensively discussed already. No problem. All input is useful! > Using the apt-get dist-upgrade method should be acceptable if you are > careful and ensure you have ubuntu-desktop installed, and check the > repository list quite carefully. It's an almost virgin Dapper install with only a couple of extra applications installed (Thunderbird and Gnomebaker, IIRC), so I should be OK in this respect. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
