[ubuntu-uk] nice article on Amarok - caviat about ubuntu though

[alan c]

This is a nice article about Amarok, and I will be keeping it and 
using it at a later date - I have not yet used my ipod much.
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/04/1916256

I was a bit surprised to see an adverse comment about ubuntu though - 
related to the function for ripping CDs:

===
[Playing, ripping, and burning CDs]
.. You can also rip audio from CDs using Amarok, providing you 
have the right KIO-slave installed. If you insert a CD, and then 
select the Files browser, Amarok displays the CD tracks and several 
virtual folders containing the CD tracks as MP3s, Ogg Vorbis, or 
FLAC-encoded files. These aren't actually on the CD; it's a virtual 
filesystem. If you copy the files into another folder, Amarok will rip 
the music to the appropriate format.

For some reason, this feature doesn't work in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu 
release of Amarok 1.4.4, even after installing what should be the 
right packages for the AudioCD KIO-slave, but it does work in Xandros 
and other distros.
===

Anyone know different?
If it is true, it would be good to get feedback to the appropriate 
team, which I would try to do when I get into using it. Unfortunately 
that is going to be a while yet though, certainly after april.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Garry Knight]

Andy wrote:

> Or is it OK to require people to have money to get an education?

The government seems to think so...
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=d&q=student+debt&go=Search

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 16:24 +, Leon Barker wrote:
> I remember reading in one hospital's intranet that a copy of MS Office
> was available for staff to install at home to do work related stuff.
> 

Maybe you could point out to them that a copy of OpenOffice is also
available for staff to install at home to do pretty much whatever they
want with ;)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer/scanner/copier

[Bill Smith]

London School of Puppetry wrote:
> I had an Epson printer with expiry chip and it drove me mad and wasted 
> millions of pounds.
>
> On 18/01/07, *Neil Greenwood* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> On 17/01/07, Robin Menneer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > David
> > Thank you for your advice.  The trouble is that I'm spoilt for
> choice.
> >  It looks as if it is between hp, canon or epsom, but there are so
> > many models.  I don't mind paying extra if it is worth it.
> > Robin
>
> Robin,
>
> You're likely to find that paying extra to buy the printer will save
> you money in the long run, since the consumables are likely to be
> cheaper and/or last longer.
>
> I'd second David's advice about picking a model with separate
> tanks/cartridges for the separate colours, rather than a single
> cartridge with multiple colours. I'd also check if the cartridges have
> an expiry chip in them (I think HP do, but I'm not sure), and avoid
> them if possible.
>
> HTH.
>
> Hwyl,
> Neil.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer/scanner/copier

[Toby Smithe]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 23:28 +, London School of Puppetry wrote:
> I had an Epson printer with expiry chip and it drove me mad and wasted
> millions of pounds.

A printer cost you millions? I wish I had that kind of money to throw
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Toby Smithe]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 23:03 +, Roberto Sarrionandia wrote:
> Tsmithe, have you written to your MP?
> 
> Has he already signed the early-day motion?

I think I've been pretty active regarding this issue. I've corresponded
my MP, Greg Clark (Shadow Minister for Charities; and thus unable to
sign the EDM); I've written to BECTA; and I've spoken with my school's
IT manager. You can find details, and verbose correspondence, of all my
trials on my blog at http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog . This is also
syndicated on Ubuntu-UK's planet (and, when I get around to producing a
hackergotchi, on the Ubuntu Users planet). Most of the relevant stuffs
are found in the "Free Software" category.

These actions are ongoing, and whilst I will try to keep the list up to
date; if you are interested in what I'm doing (and I'm interested in
what you all are), then I encourage you to keep tabs on that blog.

Thanks,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[London School of Puppetry]

Write back to your IT teachers and email some of the discussion perhaps. My
son installed Ubuntu for me- so we have so much to learn from all of you
younger chaps.  Caroline

On 18/01/07, Benjamin Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello there,

I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.

I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
testing Edubuntu yet though).

Also, I spotted yet another metnion of OSS by the BBC -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm - although it is
about PCs for third world countries, there is a mention of Ubuntu!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer/scanner/copier

[London School of Puppetry]

I had an Epson printer with expiry chip and it drove me mad and wasted
millions of pounds.

On 18/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 17/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David
> Thank you for your advice.  The trouble is that I'm spoilt for choice.
>  It looks as if it is between hp, canon or epsom, but there are so
> many models.  I don't mind paying extra if it is worth it.
> Robin

Robin,

You're likely to find that paying extra to buy the printer will save
you money in the long run, since the consumables are likely to be
cheaper and/or last longer.

I'd second David's advice about picking a model with separate
tanks/cartridges for the separate colours, rather than a single
cartridge with multiple colours. I'd also check if the cartridges have
an expiry chip in them (I think HP do, but I'm not sure), and avoid
them if possible.

HTH.

Hwyl,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Roberto Sarrionandia]

Tsmithe, have you written to your MP?

Has he already signed the early-day motion?

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 23:00 +, Toby Smithe wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 22:01 +, Roberto Sarrionandia wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > I'm also nearing the end of secondary school. If only we were a little
> > younger to see if OSS gets implemented at all.
> 
> It's ok! tsmithe to the rescue! I'll do the seeing for you :)
> 
> > Welcome to Ubuntu-UK, the schools discussions are very active at the
> > moment.
> 
> Indeed.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Toby Smithe]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 22:01 +, Roberto Sarrionandia wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>   I'm also nearing the end of secondary school. If only we were a little
> younger to see if OSS gets implemented at all.

It's ok! tsmithe to the rescue! I'll do the seeing for you :)

> Welcome to Ubuntu-UK, the schools discussions are very active at the
> moment.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[alan c]

Benjamin Webb wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
> a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.

Welcome!

> I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
> last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
> quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
> support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools.

Good for you.

The culture change can begin very close to home also with
- being sure to introduce the subject of Open Source and Ubuntu into 
relevant conversations with family and friends.
- being able to offer to help install open source apps for friends who 
are not PC literate
- consider encouraging or helping  your more PC adventurous friends to 
install Ubuntu - they will often be sort of thinking of linux,
   but since they have lived with windows for years, it will be 
reassuring to have someone using linux to discuss issues initially.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Toby Smithe]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 22:50 +, Benjamin Webb wrote:
> I've made an account, and I think I'm going to write to my MP,
> although not tonight.

Sounds good. I'm sure we can make some good progress.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Roberto Sarrionandia]

Windows servers in mine, I have just written to my MP.

There i big support for the early day motion at the moment, loads of MPs
have signed.

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 22:40 +, Chris Smith wrote:
> Yeah, it is a shame, I tried to promote as much OSS software in school I
> could, got Inkscape, Firefox, Filezilla, and a few other bits installed.
> I just left VI Form at my secondary school, was a shame not to see Linux
> on the desktop at all, but we did run some servers.
> 
> Roberto Sarrionandia wrote:
> > I'm also nearing the end of secondary school. If only we were a little
> > younger to see if OSS gets implemented at all.
> > 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Benjamin Webb]

On 18/01/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:57 +, Benjamin Webb wrote:
> > Hello there,
>
> Hi Benjamin.
>
> > I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
> > a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.
>
> Great!
>
> > I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
> > last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
> > quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
> > support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
> > testing Edubuntu yet though).
>
> You should join the http://www.schoolforge.org.uk campaign. And get
> active!

I've made an account, and I think I'm going to write to my MP,
although not tonight.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Chris Smith]

Yeah, it is a shame, I tried to promote as much OSS software in school I
could, got Inkscape, Firefox, Filezilla, and a few other bits installed.
I just left VI Form at my secondary school, was a shame not to see Linux
on the desktop at all, but we did run some servers.

Roberto Sarrionandia wrote:
>   I'm also nearing the end of secondary school. If only we were a little
> younger to see if OSS gets implemented at all.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Freddie Ruddick]

On 18/01/07, Benjamin Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello there,

Hello!

> I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
> last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
> quite relevant for me.

Me too!

> I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
> support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
> testing Edubuntu yet though).

Have you had a look at schoolforge? <1> Aimed at staff more than
pupils, but still quite interesting.

> Also, I spotted yet another metnion of OSS by the BBC -
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm - although it is
> about PCs for third world countries, there is a mention of Ubuntu!

Yes, we seem to be hearing more and more about it on the beeb; maybe
its the start of something. (or not)


Drop in on IRC sometime: channel #ubuntu-uk on the FreeNode Network
(You might need to install xchat)


<1>http://www.schoolforge.org.uk

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

[Alex Latchford]

I only live about 45 minutes away, so I wouldn't mind.. Add me to the list..

Alex Latchford.

Nik Butler wrote:
> Out of interest would Ubuntu-UK members like to do a tour of the Both 
> Houses of Parliament ?
>
> http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hcio/tours.cfm
>
> Lets see how many are interested before we worry about in or out of 
> session though.
>
> Ive been on a tour and found it interesting and certainly wanted to 
> return for another opportunity.
>
> Regards
>
> Nik Butler
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Toby Smithe]

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:57 +, Benjamin Webb wrote:
> Hello there,

Hi Benjamin.

> I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
> a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.

Great!

> I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
> last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
> quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
> support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
> testing Edubuntu yet though).

You should join the http://www.schoolforge.org.uk campaign. And get
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Roberto Sarrionandia]

Hi Ben,
I'm also nearing the end of secondary school. If only we were a little
younger to see if OSS gets implemented at all.

Welcome to Ubuntu-UK, the schools discussions are very active at the
moment.

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:57 +, Benjamin Webb wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
> a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.
> 
> I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
> last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
> quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
> support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
> testing Edubuntu yet though).
> 
> Also, I spotted yet another metnion of OSS by the BBC -
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm - although it is
> about PCs for third world countries, there is a mention of Ubuntu!
> 
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[ubuntu-uk] Hi there!

[Benjamin Webb]

Hello there,

I'm new to the Ubuntu-UK community. I've recently install Edgy Eft on
a relatively old computer of mine and it is working fine.

I thought I'd contribute to the discussion here, because I am in my
last year at secondary school, and the talk about OSS in schools is
quite relevant for me. I'd be interested in joining any capaign to
support Ubuntu or OSS in general in UK schools. (Haven't got round to
testing Edubuntu yet though).

Also, I spotted yet another metnion of OSS by the BBC -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm - although it is
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Leon Barker]

I remember reading in one hospital's intranet that a copy of MS Office
was available for staff to install at home to do work related stuff.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Tony Arnold]

Neil,

Neil Greenwood wrote:

> While I agree heartily with all of your points, I think there might be
> a flaw with this one...
> I seem to remember (and I could be incorrect on this) that at least
> some schools have licensing deals with Microsoft where the school
> purchases Office and the licence applies to the home machines of the
> students too. So the school can legally give out copies of MS Office
> to its students.

I don't know about deals for schools, but the Microsoft Campus deal we
have here at the University does _not_ allow the students to use it on
their own machines. MS Office is only licensed to run on computers owned
by the University.

There is a student deal, apparently, where students can get Office for a
reduced rate which is not zero!

We have just renewed our site license for anti-virus software. The new
license allows staff to use the product on their home machines, but not
students! Also, if a member of staff has bought the consumer version of
the product for their home machine, they are breaching the license if
they then use that machine for work purposes! (They could, of course,
install the University version; I'm just pointing out the absurd
conditions of license for proprietary products).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Andy]

On 18/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I agree heartily with all of your points, I think there might be
> a flaw with this one...
> I seem to remember (and I could be incorrect on this) that at least
> some schools have licensing deals with Microsoft where the school
> purchases Office and the licence applies to the home machines of the
> students too. So the school can legally give out copies of MS Office
> to its students.
I was never offered MS Windows or MS Office by either my High School or College.

My University did pay a fee to Microsoft so we can get Windows XP
free, but NOT MS Office.

I also suspect there are indeed restrictions.
For the MSDN Academic Alliance (which can only cover certain subjects)
some of those restrictions include:
Not allowing other people to use the system (that includes family)
unless they are a member of MSDN-AA
Only being allowed to use it for academic or non-commercial work

and some of my favourites
Only being allowed to use windows to use the other MSDN-AA tools
Only being allowed to install it on machines that came with no operating system
(so no upgrading OS)
You can't use WinXP solely as a terminal accessing a UNIX telnet server

You need to be enrolled in: Science, Technology, Engineering or Maths
to get it as well.



On another note:

Anyone else think its ironic the E.U. publishes a report backing open
source, and the PDF was generated on Windows?

(according to evince: Acrobat Elements 7.0 (Windows) )

I wonder what the report was typed in?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 19:10 +, Nik Butler wrote:
>> Out of interest would Ubuntu-UK members like to do a tour of the Both 
>> Houses of Parliament ?
>> 
>> http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hcio/tours.cfm
>> 
>> Lets see how many are interested before we worry about in or out of 
>> session though.
>> 
>> Ive been on a tour and found it interesting and certainly wanted to 
>> return for another opportunity.
>> 
> 
> Are eggs and/or bags of flour supplied?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Neil Greenwood]

On 17/01/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 4. Ability to provide software to students, schools can allow students
> to do work at home, such as writing essays, as long as they have a PC
> if the school uses Free software then they can give out copies. This
> allows poorer people to receive a better education, as much software
> is now more expensive than the minimum hardware needed for a working
> system.
> (MS Office 2003, student version: £119.99 WinXP home SP2 £176.99
> source Amazon.co.uk)
> ArsTechnica budget box is $500, (roughly £250),
> thus hardware cheaper than the MS OS and Office suite.
> And that's not counting all the other software.
> Or is it OK to require people to have money to get an education?
>

While I agree heartily with all of your points, I think there might be
a flaw with this one...
I seem to remember (and I could be incorrect on this) that at least
some schools have licensing deals with Microsoft where the school
purchases Office and the licence applies to the home machines of the
students too. So the school can legally give out copies of MS Office
to its students.

There are probably extreme restrictions on its use on the home
machines, and I don't know what happens about other family members...

I certainly hope that FOSS is adopted in more UK schools soon, with
the support of the government rather than individual schools having to
blaze their own path. And I hope it happens before my daughters start
school.

A colleague of mine also uses Linux in work and at home. When his
daughter started school, she didn't like using the school computers.
The teacher spoke to my colleague and said something along the lines
of "She keeps asking where the penguin is. What's she on about?"  Get
'em while they're young. :-)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

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Nik Butler wrote:
> Out of interest would Ubuntu-UK members like to do a tour of the Both 
> Houses of Parliament ?
> 

Dependant on dates and stuff, sure.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

[Michael Wood]

I'd be interested in going.

Thanks

Nik Butler wrote:
> Out of interest would Ubuntu-UK members like to do a tour of the Both 
> Houses of Parliament ?
>
> http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hcio/tours.cfm
>
> Lets see how many are interested before we worry about in or out of 
> session though.
>
> Ive been on a tour and found it interesting and certainly wanted to 
> return for another opportunity.
>
> Regards
>
> Nik Butler
>
>
>   


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer/scanner/copier

[Robin Menneer]

Neil
Thanks for advice.  The DX 6000 is the only one which gives ink usage
- 425 sheets for black ink - the other models (and makes) are all
silent as far as I can ferret out.  No info available about expiry
date.  Should one go for the only machine for which there are ink
usage data published ?  And is their new fancy ink available in
cheaper cartridges ?
Robin



On 1/18/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > David
> > Thank you for your advice.  The trouble is that I'm spoilt for choice.
> >  It looks as if it is between hp, canon or epsom, but there are so
> > many models.  I don't mind paying extra if it is worth it.
> > Robin
>
> Robin,
>
> You're likely to find that paying extra to buy the printer will save
> you money in the long run, since the consumables are likely to be
> cheaper and/or last longer.
>
> I'd second David's advice about picking a model with separate
> tanks/cartridges for the separate colours, rather than a single
> cartridge with multiple colours. I'd also check if the cartridges have
> an expiry chip in them (I think HP do, but I'm not sure), and avoid
> them if possible.
>
> HTH.
>
> Hwyl,
> Neil.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 19:10 +, Nik Butler wrote:
> Out of interest would Ubuntu-UK members like to do a tour of the Both 
> Houses of Parliament ?
> 
> http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hcio/tours.cfm
> 
> Lets see how many are interested before we worry about in or out of 
> session though.
> 
> Ive been on a tour and found it interesting and certainly wanted to 
> return for another opportunity.
> 

Are eggs and/or bags of flour supplied?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Challenges Vista at U.K. Education Show

[Alistair Crust]

If we all keep avocating, using and pushing suppliers for linux support the 
momentum should snowball.

Esp' as alot of vendors see education as a wallet with no bounds. They know 
they can always come back to education and say. "This product will do 
*insert latest buzzwords here*" .. and inevitably managment and 
non-technical types say "OK, if you say so."

If people then start to say, "Hey we want it to work with linux" the 
bussinesses will miss out on a major developing revenue stream... unless 
they comply.

Isn't it strange the power money has. Or at least the risk of loosing it. 
For business it makes it even harder to bear if they arn't loosing out to 
another company.

This is all IMHO naturally.

Regards
Alistair

- Original Message - 
From: "Colin_The_Technician"

> Well bugger me, the worm is turning.
> Never knew Smartboard had a Linux version.  We have about 50
> smartboards in our school, so I'll have to give it a try.
>
> Colin


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] House of Parliament tours.

[Robin Shepheard]

Count me in as an interested party

Robin
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Challenges Vista at U.K. Education Show

[Alistair Crust]

We do have a few white boards although they are used with laptops, (WinXp re 
installed as part of the Laptop of Techers scheme). However the latest version 
of the smartboard software does have a linux version. As of yet I havn't had a 
chance to test how well it works.

Regards
Alistair
  - Original Message - 
  From: London School of Puppetry 
  To: British Ubuntu Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Challenges Vista at U.K. Education Show


  I have seen whiteboard in a number of schools recently all working 
brilliantly.  Caroline


  On 17/01/07, Toby Smithe < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi. I'm curious: do you have whiteboards and do they work? 

On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 09:42 +, Alistair Crust wrote:
> Hi, I would have to strongly disagree with your outlook here.
> I talk from experience as a systems admin at Skegness Grammar school in
> Lincolnshire. We have run LTSP with several different distros for 3 years 
> (Settling on Debian, then Ubuntu) on 100+ thin clients with Ubuntu fat
> clients in most of the department offices and all services web-filtering,
> email, intranet etc using Linux. Legacy apps are available using win2k3 
> Terminal services. All curriculum teaching is done using Linux. We are 
now a
> Maths and Computing Specialist school.
>
> Although I must admit any advances into education by OSS and GNU/Linux in 
> general will be, and have been, hard at first the more it is used the more
> Managers, Teachers, Software vendors.. even school governors wanting to 
make
> the most of their budget will see the benefits. 
>
> To clarify I recently read in a blog post by Mark Shuttleworth
> (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/76) that for hardware
> manufacturers it seems to be about critical mass... once 5-10% of people 
are 
> asking for Linux support only then will they care about providing that
> support. IMHO this also is the case for software vendors.
>
> Without that critical mass in education, shouting to manufacturers 
> (hardware/software) then it will be a struggle for advancement but not
> impossible. Once we have this critical mass, software vendors and hardware
> vendors alike will care about why they are loosing out on a viable and 
> important revenue stream. With BECTA et al reiterating the need for OSS 
this
> will help to grow the seeds of change..for the better.
>
> I would love to see some way that government could provide funding to OSS 
> projects to continue there sterling work. Funding that would ordinarily go
> to proprietary systems that bear a great risk for vendor lock-in. Look at
> the funding for the Compulsory.. sorry Optional KS3 ICT Online...sorry 
> On-screen Testsorry Assessment. (This just shows the U turn the
> government has done when they found out things were not going as smoothly 
as
> they thought, and they had spend a shed load of tax payers cash and it 
> wasn't going to do what they wanted it to do). This cash could have gone 
to
> funding something useful... even getting someone like Canonicle to build 
an
> On-line distro neutral Test... something that works! 
>
> To close, I know I haven't been the most active member of the list as I 
have
> limited spare time. I did however feel compelled to add my two peneth 
here.
> I'll get of my soap box now. 
>
> Keep up the great work with OSS promotion.. as I said critical mass, the
> more we chip away at this the better it becomes. To coin a phrase "Every
> Little Helps!"(tm)
>
> Regards 
>
> Alistair Crust
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Colin_The_Technician" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" < ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Challenges Vista at U.K. Education 
Show
>
>
> >I was at the BETT Show and saw the Open Forum Europe stand and the
> > Edubuntu CD's.  Also the Internet cafe there was powered by Linux.  So
> > while it's good to see them at BETT I personally never think Linux we 
> > make any advances into education.  And I say that as a school Network
> > Manager.
> >
> > I say that because of the 190 poor written and designed educational
> > applications we have on our network NONE of them have Linux versions. 
> > That is with one exceptionthe new Yr9 ICT SAT software has a Linux
> > version and I noticed that just yesterday.
> >
> > I do promote OSS and Linux within education.  I have converted one 
> > teacher and two students to Ubuntu.  And given OpenOffice to many
> > students who do not have MS Office on their home PCs.
> >
> > I believe OpenOffice, The GIMP and other OSS applications could do 
> > well in sc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer/scanner/copier

[Neil Greenwood]

On 17/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David
> Thank you for your advice.  The trouble is that I'm spoilt for choice.
>  It looks as if it is between hp, canon or epsom, but there are so
> many models.  I don't mind paying extra if it is worth it.
> Robin

Robin,

You're likely to find that paying extra to buy the printer will save
you money in the long run, since the consumables are likely to be
cheaper and/or last longer.

I'd second David's advice about picking a model with separate
tanks/cartridges for the separate colours, rather than a single
cartridge with multiple colours. I'd also check if the cartridges have
an expiry chip in them (I think HP do, but I'm not sure), and avoid
them if possible.

HTH.

Hwyl,
Neil.

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