Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:23 +, TheVeech wrote: (crap snipped) The Lord replied: 'You want two lanes or four on that bridge?' That posting is in breach of the Ubuntu code of conduct. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct Thanks Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
Caroline, Caroline Ford wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:23 +, TheVeech wrote: (crap snipped) The Lord replied: 'You want two lanes or four on that bridge?' That posting is in breach of the Ubuntu code of conduct. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct I've just read the code (again) and I don't see which bit of it is being breached? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 16:45 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Yes, I knew about this and have used it on all my machines. Thanks for the tips. Regards, Tony. If anyone's got any more tips for laptops, email them to me or post them here. I'll have a look for some more, then I can incorporate them into the wiki. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Community distro ?
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 01:15 +, Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:32:45PM +, Michael Wood wrote: Firstly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#head-8c391b3699f3571c2aedfa7cb78adb4623206933 Feisty artwork will be designed by kwwii -- of Kubuntu Edgy and KDE Oxygen Icon fame. He will be working closely with sabdfl in the design. Do not expect community involvement in defining this portion. This seems to contradict entirely the description of ubuntu Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system - Ubuntu.com . It's surprisingly difficult to create top quality artwork without commercial direction. The artwork of both desktops is majority funded by companies. Ubuntu Edgy tried to do community artwork but it was all reverted due to quality issues. Isn't any FLOSS-influenced work supposed to be part of an ongoing process of feedback and revision? In software, for example, of course you have many examples of commercial input, but this isn't an inevitability for community projects when things aren't working. Instead of there being 'bad' artwork isn't it a case where the community has simply failed to function properly? If so, then a solution is to work on making the communities function better. I definitely agree that some things are surprisingly difficult, but I think there are more options than to merely turn to the commercial sector. Maybe the structures aren't yet in place in certain areas to better enable this. All the commercial distributions use their own commercially created artwork and the non-commercial distros use the defaults of the desktops with custom wallpapers. These two issues I have seem to be linked by my feeling that ubuntu is an organisation who's community only has a pseudo influence over decisions that really matter. It would be in the ubuntu communities interest to be a sponsor of GUADEC and to have community involved art work. That has always been the case, the name SABDFL was chosen for a reason, he has always retained the right to decide on any factor of the distribution. But if the community complains loud enough that will be heard, as happened with the warty artwork. Jonathan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone had any success transcoding to MP4 to play on a PSP
Make a movie on windows, then transfer it to your linux box and run it through mplayer to see what video and audio codec it uses to figure out what is known to work. Then figure out the mencoder / ffmpeg incantation to make it do that for other videos. Cheers, Al. I did try that and was getting mp4's that looked O.K. to me but still wouldn't work. There was an article about this in Linux magazine try there web site you maybe able to find the article on their website. Thanks for the pointer David, the article is on their website as a PDF, and a quick scan of it shows that there might be something in the later firmware to stop people doing what I'm trying to do :-( I'll have a proper read later (got to be seen to be doing some work this morning). Thanks to both for the tips. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
Dave Murphy wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I've just read the code (again) and I don't see which bit of it is being breached? I would interpret it as being disrespectful to women (and atheists :)). Well, the instructions were to replace 'women' with 'newbs' when you read it, so if anything it would be disrespectful to 'newbs'! I agree that the joke on its own and out of context could be considered disrespectful to women, however, in context I thought it made an excellent point about the difficulty of understanding the needs of 'newbs'. (BTW, I'm an atheist and was not offended in any way). Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
Considering the code of conduct; Was posting the joke considerate to others ? Well I and you the reader cannot really answer this. If I was however to be considerate of Veechs' position I can only imagine that he felt it was a measured opinion. Even if I did not feel that it was delivered in a considerate way ( from my pov) Is is respectful ? Well in terms of a personal attack I feel it was not respectful but with respect to the above im not sure it is intended as a attack on any level. Was the joke collobarative ? Well it made us start talking about the code of conduct so thats not a bad thing. When you disagree consult others. In this case I guess the mail list is open to consulting others so it provokes conversation and communication and learning. Did it leave anyone feeling unsure ? Well I first read the joke as meaning women were like new members. then I re read it and saw that the intention was that new members are hard to fathom. On a third reading I kinda wondered who god was the discussion. I was going to keep on reading but then Id read that joke before. I could go into the whole Man as an image of god and god being indefineable and since woman is made from man theres a very good reason why men and woman cant fathom each other just as much as they cannot fathom their creator. Though I dont imagine the purpose of the joke was to bring the list to a metaphysical junction More over the code of conduct is a guideline and provides ground rules for community integration and development. I dont feel that it is a opportunity to set markers and measurements of each others conduct especially publically. As for me ive found long term members to be just as unfathomable and mysterious and new and fresh members. I think that exciting especially when you consider that its this very mix of people that are the sort to spend time working out how to build bridges just as in the joke. There, ive viewed my feelings. Thanks for reading. Nik Butler -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
Tony Arnold wrote: Well, the instructions were to replace 'women' with 'newbs' when you read it, so if anything it would be disrespectful to 'newbs'! That's what I get for ignoring the topic line. To digress, surely it would have been better to edit the joke accordingly as everyone knows you can't rely on users to do anything right! (Of course now I've offended users everywhere!) (BTW, I'm an atheist and was not offended in any way). That bit *was* meant in jest. Personally I didn't find the joke offensive at all, I only sought to clarify (in absence of Caroline's own clarification) where I thought she felt it breached the CoC. -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Community distro ?
Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:32:45PM +, Michael Wood wrote: Firstly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#head-8c391b3699f3571c2aedfa7cb78adb4623206933 Feisty artwork will be designed by kwwii -- of Kubuntu Edgy and KDE Oxygen Icon fame. He will be working closely with sabdfl in the design. Do not expect community involvement in defining this portion. This seems to contradict entirely the description of ubuntu Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system - Ubuntu.com . It's surprisingly difficult to create top quality artwork without commercial direction. The artwork of both desktops is majority funded by companies. Ubuntu Edgy tried to do community artwork but it was all reverted due to quality issues. All the commercial distributions use their own commercially created artwork and the non-commercial distros use the defaults of the desktops with custom wallpapers. I don't think it is difficult to create top quality artwork without commercial direction. If you have a look at current gnome art projects, like the Gion icons http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1340 and all the other window boarder/login manager/application themes that are on art.gnome.org you can appreciate that work is top quality. If you bring that work together you end up with a very high quality set of desktop art. -- /\/\ichael [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] \/\/ood [ http://michaelwood.me.uk ] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
On 3/19/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TheVeech wrote: I'm still trying to find out what's common knowledge and what people have overlooked in the Ubuntu world (for a future project). It looks like there is very little that everyone knows, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me know how helpful you find the following, and if you already knew any of it (apologies for the attachments, but I haven't got the time to put up a web page right now)... Some Laptop configs -- 1) Disable touchpad clicking: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad My xorg.conf (Do a backup of the original first): sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf The relevant bit: Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad Driver synaptics Option SendCoreEventstrue Option Device/dev/psaux Option Protocol auto-dev Option HorizScrollDelta 0 #new stuff Option SHMConfig on Option TappingOff1 Option MaxTapTime0 EndSection Restart X, reboot, or whatever, and you should be good to go! Did not know about the above. I'll try it as I think I would find it useful, especially if it means I can safely turn on single click in Nautilus. You might also want to try http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp/ It was in the repositories last time I looked. It's a bit unnecessary, though, because the above should do it. 2) Making the most of screen space Seeing as though you use a laptop, you might also benefit from the following. Here's a (cropped) screenshot of my Desktop to give you some ideas for modifying yours. You'll notice I've only got one panel, but it works quite well. First off, I unlocked all the essential bits of the bottom panel, moved them to the top one, and then deleted the bottom panel. Then I changed the Ubuntu menu with (IIRC) the 'main menu' option in the 'add to panel' dialogue - See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Applets . I also used a number of drawers (see second screenshot) for my main applications (if you look closely, you'll see on a few of the panel icons a small black blob at about 7 o'clock - they're the drawers. I set the all my system fonts to 7 points System Preferences Font Then I set the size of the panel to 18 (right-click on the panel and select 'properties'). Then, I just experimented with the options until I got what I wanted. It looks very cramped when you've been using the default set up, but once you get accustomed to a set up like this, everything's nice and close together. I was aware you could do all of the above, but I've never been bothered by the amount of screen space available to me on my laptop. I tend to run most apps filling the screen available. 3) Desktop icons If you want to enable desktop icons for your 'home', 'document, and 'trash' icons, try this: Open Terminal (Applications Accessories Terminal) and type: gconf-editor In this program, go to: apps nautilus desktop Tick whatever icons you want to show on your desktop. Yes, I knew about this and have used it on all my machines. Thanks for the tips. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: Yes, I've gone into gconf-editor only to be told that *if you are not an experienced user do not use Config Editor to set performance for the Gnome desktop. instead use the preference tools in the Gnome Desktop*. That scared me off. Cruising around the advice about panels, windows c, a lot of it seems tempting for me to configure my desktop as I would like it BUT there is no facility for split-screen working where I can see the instructions at the same time as carrying them out, AND I can't remember from one screen to another without making errors. AND there's the advice not to do it. Robin Yes, gconf-editor is a little scary and not for the feint of heart! I would look at the stuff in the preferences menu (under system) and if you can't find what you want to do there, ask on this list! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
Pete, Pete Ryland wrote: It is offensive. The joke's premise is based on the (untrue) generalisation that all women are unfathomable. Or rather that women are unfathomable by men. That's offensive to men isn't it? Nearly all jokes are based on a premise that usually is not quite true but kind of rings true in many people's minds. It's the basis of humour! This suggests that every single woman is irrational and behaves in a non-deterministic way. Or in a way that men don't understand! Read 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus'! In my experience, this is most certainly not true of all women, and indeed a lot of men too share these attributes. I'm impressed that you understand women! I've been married for over 20 years and have still not figured them out, at least not the one closest to me. That's probably more my fault than women's before I get accused of being sexist. It should be very easy to see that any suggestion that all men are rational and all women are irrational may cause offence to those at the sharp end of the joke. It would indeed, but I'm not sure the extrapolation is necessarily valid. You might argue it was just the guy on the bike and God that didn't understand women. In any case, it wasn't even funny, and was remarkably off topic. Well, if you substitute 'newbs' for 'women' in the joke as the subject line suggested it was spot on! Now we really are off topic and should probably stop this thread. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
I think that we've got to be adult about this. I believe that the code of conduct - like most other rules in our society is meant to protect people and values. Where we start to go wrong, is by using any set of rules to their maximum extent to prove a point, appear clever or knowledgeable or to stir up trouble. If we can agree that the code of conduct is meant to protect people, and we can also agree that the original poster - no matter how misguided - never meant to hurt anyone, then I don't really think the code of conduct needs to be invoked. Lets not descend into the madness of political correctness for the sake of proving a point. It's petty, pathetic and and devalues the rule set underpinning it. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
On 20/03/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Ryland wrote: It is offensive. The joke's premise is based on the (untrue) generalisation that all women are unfathomable. Or rather that women are unfathomable by men. That's offensive to men isn't it? The point of the joke was that women are unfathomable full stop, *even to $creator*. If you really want to take this further, then the joke is also told from the point of view of men, so it's also exclusive. Nearly all jokes are based on a premise that usually is not quite true but kind of rings true in many people's minds. It's the basis of humour! Ok, let's say that an Englishman was with a large group of Canadians (or even a group of large Canadians) and Canadians seem to think that Englishmen are all slow. Let's say that they make a joke ridiculing this truth. Put yourself in those shoes and you may well feel as though you are being made unwelcome, no matter how funny the joke, nor how true the truism. This is not the kind of atmosphere that we want to encourage. Anyway, re-enforcing untrue stereotypes is really not healthy. In any case, it wasn't even funny, and was remarkably off topic. Well, if you substitute 'newbs' for 'women' in the joke as the subject line suggested it was spot on! I tried this, but the joke didn't really work for me. I don't terribly like the term newbs anyway. It's horribly unspecific, and not terribly helpful most of the time. All of us are still learning, and each of us focuses our learning on different things. Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
On 20/03/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets not descend into the madness of political correctness for the sake of proving a point. It's petty, pathetic and and devalues the rule set underpinning it. Agreed, no harm may have been intended, but as soon as harm was done, whether intentional or not, it is still harm, and as such this harms our whole community. I would usually be happy to just politely ignore such jokes. But on Ubuntu-related lists, we have a duty to make *all* people feel welcome. Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
TheVeech wrote: Usenet - More open than the above two, but vulnerable to the problems this can entail. Again, I don't read all the posts, but I find them more manageable than Forums There is another option (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) which is to use NNTP protocol but not part of Usenet. I read this list via gmane over nntp. This to me means - I can record which messages I have read/not read - I can choose which newsreader I want - can mark (using thunderbird) which message I want to reply to later etc My main grouses against forums is that - you are forced to use whatever user friendly front end the implementer has chosen. - in most ones I have come across it is hard to find which posts are new and which you have already seen. And following another part of the thread Robin Menneer wrote: Im happy with this list provided it stays in its present form. Had a look at Gmane and don't like it. Robin I am happy with this list in its current form. I happen to like gmane via NNTP and if pressed (i.e. not using my own machine)will use the web interface. So I agree with Robin's conclusion albeit for different reasons. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 17:09 +, Pete Ryland wrote: This is not the kind of atmosphere that we want to encourage. Quite. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
I am happy with this list in its current form. I happen to like gmane via NNTP and if pressed (i.e. not using my own machine)will use the web interface. So I agree with Robin's conclusion albeit for different reasons. I'll take a look at this NNTP /gname interface - sounds interesting. I wonder if it'd be a good idea to have some kind of tutorial outlining it - perhaps as an alternative to users who want forums. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Please give sensible subject lines
Ted Smith wrote: Subject: Re: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 33 This is something that has cropped up several times in the year or so I have been a member of the team. What is something that cropped up several times. ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 33 is not terribly meaningful. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Label Printer Drivers
Hi, I have just purchased a zebra label printer - 2844 ( http://www.zebra.com/id/zebra/na/en/index/products/printers/desktop/lp2844.html ) . But it only comes with Windows printer drivers and I would really love to be able use Linux / Ubuntu with this printer. Does anyone know a way of getting this to work or a place to find such mysterious drivers? Thanks, James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Label Printer Drivers
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, James Tuthill wrote: I have just purchased a zebra label printer - 2844 ( http://www.zebra.com/id/zebra/na/en/index/products/printers/desktop/lp2844.html Based on a quick Google of lp 2844 linux, it appears to be a plain text (just like an old line-printer). Going to System-Preferences-Printing-New Printer-Forward-Zebra, there appears to be three EZPL1, EZPL2, ZPL Label Printer---try those and see if any of them work. Failing that, look for the simplest Epsom printer in the list and experiment! It's the best way to find out. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Nottingham, GB -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
