Re: [ubuntu-uk] screencasts, was Leaflets
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 22:16 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > To an aside, as there appears to be people belonging to various LUGs on the > list, and I know it's not proper here, but how about setting up a central > repository on the main LUG site for all these leaflets we've done in the > past? Stop re-inventing the wheel type of thing. That's a good idea. One that I'd take on once the lug.org.uk server is replaced (very soon now :) ) and the site is rebuilt. This of course assumes licenses that allow this kind of copying and redistribution and would need to make sure it doesn't become stale. i.e. that we keep them up to date with what the LUGs are doing. Cheers, Al. (with my lug.org.uk hat on) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] screencasts, was Leaflets
Hi Not sure which thread to put this into but BBC 2's Working Lunch has done to my knowledge at least three shorts on Open Source in general for a commercial organisation, school and a what is it? I don't know about the usage of the clips or quoting BBC but in addition to what Mark was saying earlier I'd also suggest that if as part of the screen casts or leaflets you can add the creditability of a respected institution like the BBC, it gives the message just that little extra punch. It is interesting to see what people's views are on how to market Ubuntu / Open Source as the Malvern LUG are just about to start on that slippery slope in the local area. To an aside, as there appears to be people belonging to various LUGs on the list, and I know it's not proper here, but how about setting up a central repository on the main LUG site for all these leaflets we've done in the past? Stop re-inventing the wheel type of thing. Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 02 May 2007 13:13 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] screencasts, was Leaflets On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 12:50:57PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > About the medium, how about also getting a bunch of us to spend some > quality time collaborating on a series of screencasts, then distributing > them on video sites, via bittorrent and even on CDs to be handed out to > the public? > An entirely different subject I would like to takle separately from leaflets. Before distribution the first step is making them. The biggest stumbler I have had is getting people to actually make them :( We've shifted a ridiculous amount of traffic from the screencasts site, I mean really, quite mental amounts. But we have had very few people contributing screencasts to us. If anyone can suggest ways to improve this, please let me know! Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Canon Drivers
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 14:53 +0100, Ciaran Mooney wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 13:48 +0100, Gregory Kirby wrote: > > > I have tried searching but it appears that Canon, for example may not > > > have linux drivers. Hi Though not free you could have a look at http://www.turboprint.de/english.html I use it for my iP4300 Peter > > Link here: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/software/linux/ > > > > I have a friend in Canon, apparently they do not consider the Linux market > > big enough to > > warrant a big r&d budget for linux drivers. > > Hi, > > The simple answer to this is just email a copy of the printers specs > to the CUPS team and let them put the work in. > > Ciarán > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
BTW: Apologies if you all get this twice - I'm having trouble with my "identies" in Thunderbird :-) == Right - I'll step forward as a marketeer :-) However, in typical marketing style, I'm going to answer the question I wish you'd asked instead... hence I'm going to talk about the general "flyers for use at shows" issue, rather than the specifics of "how to craft a flyer that explicitly has the purpose of answering questions." We had a long discussion discussion in the Sussex LUG about the leaflets to use for the British Computer Fair stands that the LUG runs each month. The FLYER that we designed at that point (and reportedly worked well at attracting attention) can be found at http://www.youraffiliateexpert.com/temp/ - versions in ODP and PDF formats I ought now to explain WHY I recommended this approach. - The purpose of the flyer was to make people stop at the stand, and ask more. It was NOT to answer people's questions. The logic was that it was far more effective to "hook" someone with a bold leaflet, and then get them into a 1-1 conversation with someone who could relate to their issues, than to try to create a "reference document" for people to take away and not read. I'm in favour, BTW, of creating a takeaway reference document as proposed, but I think that a flyer to get people to "stop at the table" is helpful at any show. - This is ONE example to show the format of the leaflet. There were several others, each with a photo, a name, a job title and a catchy soundbite. At BCF, the majority of attendees are NOT IT professionals, so we deliberately tried to pick references who worked outside the IT industry as well to plant some rapport into the minds of the passers-by that this WASN'T something that only appealed to "geeks". Obviously, at an IT-industry event, it would be far more sensible to pick people/soundbites that were from the industry ; or if it were a travel industry event, to pick them from the travel industry, or for a local government event, to pick them from local government, or... well you get the idea - create a feeling in the mind of the passerby that the person on the leaflet is similar to them, and faces similar issues. - Each flyer had a consistent layout - name/title top left, photo top right, quote middle, "...just another person to switch to linux" bottom middle, Tux bottom left. Obviously, this was for a LUG - if the Ubuntu_UK list wants to do something, then it should have an Ubuntu logo instead. - The tagline "just another person to switch to linux" is important, since it contains what is known in NLP as an embedded command. There are parts of the brain that process the entire structure of the sentence literally. However, modern thinking in neuroscience is that there are independent "clusters" within the brain that just store particular entities. In this case, I used the .. to discretely highlight the phrase "switch to linux" as a discretely parsable entity. The entity as part of the whole sentence is just a subsidiary clause - however the entity on its own is a command "switch to Linux", hence the use of the term "embedded command". I'd still go with the phrase but make it specific, so "Just another person to switch to Ubuntu". Again, it's critical that this phrase is common, and used across various slides, each of which carries a different name, face and quote. I will come to the question of the "FAQ flyer" though. What I would strongly suggest is that the place to start is experience of discussions with a typical show attendee (you'll have to profile them somehow if it's the first time you're going to a given show", and try to work out what the FREQUENTLY asked questions are. Too often, FAQs are a mis-acronym for "questions our marketing people wish you'd asked", presumably on the basis that QOMPWYA doesn't form an easy-to-say word :-) Oh, and you're welcome to use the flyer if you want, particularly if you change Tux to Ubuntu logo, and change the word Linux to Ubuntu. The author photo is copyright ric bacon, and I have a waiver from him allowing me to use it for unlimited purposes (including commercial purposes.) 'Twas a good deal - he assigned me those rights in exchange for a photographer credit in my book - see even my marketing material doesn't breach copyright :-) Regards, Mark Harrison Ad follows - feel free to stop reading now:-) Mark Harrison is available for (paid) marketing consultancy. He specialises in taking firms from the sub-million turnover mark to flotation. He is not cheap, but very, very, busy. Next available consultancy days are in July. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Right - I'll step forward as a marketeer :-) However, in typical marketing style, I'm going to answer the question I wish you'd asked instead... hence I'm going to talk about the general "flyers for use at shows" issue, rather than the specifics of "how to craft a flyer that explicitly has the purpose of answering questions." We had a long discussion discussion in the Sussex LUG about the leaflets to use for the British Computer Fair stands that the LUG runs each month. The FLYER that we designed at that point (and reportedly worked well at attracting attention) can be found at http://www.youraffiliateexpert.com/temp/ - versions in ODP and PDF formats I ought now to explain WHY I recommended this approach. - The purpose of the flyer was to make people stop at the stand, and ask more. It was NOT to answer people's questions. The logic was that it was far more effective to "hook" someone with a bold leaflet, and then get them into a 1-1 conversation with someone who could relate to their issues, than to try to create a "reference document" for people to take away and not read. I'm in favour, BTW, of creating a takeaway reference document as proposed, but I think that a flyer to get people to "stop at the table" is helpful at any show. - This is ONE example to show the format of the leaflet. There were several others, each with a photo, a name, a job title and a catchy soundbite. At BCF, the majority of attendees are NOT IT professionals, so we deliberately tried to pick references who worked outside the IT industry as well to plant some rapport into the minds of the passers-by that this WASN'T something that only appealed to "geeks". Obviously, at an IT-industry event, it would be far more sensible to pick people/soundbites that were from the industry ; or if it were a travel industry event, to pick them from the travel industry, or for a local government event, to pick them from local government, or... well you get the idea - create a feeling in the mind of the passerby that the person on the leaflet is similar to them, and faces similar issues. - Each flyer had a consistent layout - name/title top left, photo top right, quote middle, "...just another person to switch to linux" bottom middle, Tux bottom left. Obviously, this was for a LUG - if the Ubuntu_UK list wants to do something, then it should have an Ubuntu logo instead. - The tagline "just another person to switch to linux" is important, since it contains what is known in NLP as an embedded command. There are parts of the brain that process the entire structure of the sentence literally. However, modern thinking in neuroscience is that there are independent "clusters" within the brain that just store particular entities. In this case, I used the .. to discretely highlight the phrase "switch to linux" as a discretely parsable entity. The entity as part of the whole sentence is just a subsidiary clause - however the entity on its own is a command "switch to Linux", hence the use of the term "embedded command". I'd still go with the phrase but make it specific, so "Just another person to switch to Ubuntu". Again, it's critical that this phrase is common, and used across various slides, each of which carries a different name, face and quote. I will come to the question of the "FAQ flyer" though. What I would strongly suggest is that the place to start is experience of discussions with a typical show attendee (you'll have to profile them somehow if it's the first time you're going to a given show", and try to work out what the FREQUENTLY asked questions are. Too often, FAQs are a mis-acronym for "questions our marketing people wish you'd asked", presumably on the basis that QOMPWYA doesn't form an easy-to-say word :-) Oh, and you're welcome to use the flyer if you want, particularly if you change Tux to Ubuntu logo, and change the word Linux to Ubuntu. The author photo is copyright ric bacon, and I have a waiver from him allowing me to use it for unlimited purposes (including commercial purposes.) 'Twas a good deal - he assigned me those rights in exchange for a photographer credit in my book - see even my marketing material doesn't breach copyright :-) Regards, Mark Harrison Ad follows - feel free to stop reading now:-) Mark Harrison is available for (paid) marketing consultancy. He specialises in taking firms from the sub-million turnover mark to flotation. He is not cheap, but very, very, busy. Next available consultancy days are in July. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Canon Drivers
> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 13:48 +0100, Gregory Kirby wrote: > > I have tried searching but it appears that Canon, for example may not > > have linux drivers. > Link here: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/software/linux/ > > I have a friend in Canon, apparently they do not consider the Linux market > big enough to > warrant a big r&d budget for linux drivers. Hi, The simple answer to this is just email a copy of the printers specs to the CUPS team and let them put the work in. Ciarán -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 01:35:41PM +0100, David Morley wrote: > This is where promoting how much the linux apps have come on is > important. I'm with you popey. A good well produced piece of > literature is far better accepted than just saying it's good. I think > aswell it will be a good idea to promote the open cd programs so > people can try them on windows and say "this is good I wonder what the > rest of the software is like?" > Don't forget the Live Ubuntu CD *has* some windows software on it. The stuff you find on the Open CD (or a subset of it rather). Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 13:48 +0100, Gregory Kirby wrote: > I have tried searching but it appears that Canon, for example may not > have linux drivers. Link here: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/software/linux/ I have a friend in Canon, apparently they do not consider the Linux market big enough to warrant a big r&d budget for linux drivers. bkcougar -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
HI all, Following this thread with interest. I am keen to try Linux but have one big hurdle and that is the drivers for all the kit to date. I have tried searching but it appears that Canon, for example may not have linux drivers. I have Brother, Creative, Qtek, Sony Ericsson, Philips Voip phone, Canon, ink jet, camera, to connect. The programme front looks covered from what I can gather. Will keep monitoring. Regards -- Gregory J Kirby MBA Residential letting Agent www.1sthome.co.uk (The "NO" fees to tenants agency!) Tel: 02082935440 Mobile 07860 802935 Dfax 0870 0560083 Administration address 38 Straightsmouth, Greenwich, SE10 9LD -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 02/05/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 12:50:57PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > > [2] http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InfoPoints/FlyerMasters > > > [3] > > > http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/25-Review-Software-Freedom-Day.html > > > [4] http://misc.allbsd.de/Flyer > > > > Will take a good look at this perhaps tomorrow. Before then, I was > > confronted by a friend of mine on Monday, saying he'd been told by two > > of his colleagues that they'd tried Linux and thought it was crap. > > > > Heh, why is it people feel they can just sweep away thousands of > applications and a robust kernel with "it's crap". Ok I'll bite. > > "I think Windows Vista is crap". There, quote me :) +1 Vista is crap. But saying it to someone who has just foot the bill for a copy will turn people from Linux to protect their investment. This is where promoting how much the linux apps have come on is important. I'm with you popey. A good well produced piece of literature is far better accepted than just saying it's good. I think aswell it will be a good idea to promote the open cd programs so people can try them on windows and say "this is good I wonder what the rest of the software is like?" -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] screencasts, was Leaflets
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 12:50:57PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > About the medium, how about also getting a bunch of us to spend some > quality time collaborating on a series of screencasts, then distributing > them on video sites, via bittorrent and even on CDs to be handed out to > the public? > An entirely different subject I would like to takle separately from leaflets. Before distribution the first step is making them. The biggest stumbler I have had is getting people to actually make them :( We've shifted a ridiculous amount of traffic from the screencasts site, I mean really, quite mental amounts. But we have had very few people contributing screencasts to us. If anyone can suggest ways to improve this, please let me know! Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 12:50:57PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > [2] http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InfoPoints/FlyerMasters > > [3] > > http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/25-Review-Software-Freedom-Day.html > > [4] http://misc.allbsd.de/Flyer > > Will take a good look at this perhaps tomorrow. Before then, I was > confronted by a friend of mine on Monday, saying he'd been told by two > of his colleagues that they'd tried Linux and thought it was crap. > Heh, why is it people feel they can just sweep away thousands of applications and a robust kernel with "it's crap". Ok I'll bite. "I think Windows Vista is crap". There, quote me :) > Reading between the lines of what was said, they clearly understood > little about Linux because they understood nothing of its social and > economic model, a model which means that Linux is a lot more than just > an OS on a CD (so is Windows, for that matter). This suggests that they > hadn't done any homework about the system, so any faults were likely on > their part. I think it's crucial that people understand this as much as > advocacy about the OS alone, tools and limited cost arguments. > This is where I feel leaflets can come in handy. "Here, read this". You don't have to argue with them, it's there in black and white. For some reason people seem more likely to trust a bit of paper than they do your voice. I guess a bit of paper with a logo on looks somehow more official, has an air of authority and truth. The thing to remember is that people don't like being told they made a stupid decision. There is a guy here at work who has nailed his flag very firmly to the Windows mast. He is a vista fan through and through. Having worked in the past for an outsourced Microsoft official support centre, he knows the products pretty well. Pointing out that he is making a duff choice putting his faith in that software implies that he is somehow stupid, and that's not the best way to approach these people. If someone says to me that Linux is crap I take a breath and ask them what they tried and more importantly when. I have had people convert from "linux is rubbish" to "this is great, I installed mythtv at the weekend" - which is no mean feat in itself! It's all about the approach. Slowly slowly catchy monkey. And if you can backup your speil with a bit of paperwork, all the better. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 12:13 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Guys and Dolls, > > During the meeting last night on irc we discussed various marketing ideas. > These included the Tux 500 [0] campaign and the firefox New York Times > advert [2]. These seem to many of us to be very expensive options for > marketing Ubuntu. > > An alternative that Hampshire LUG has used at info points is the leaflet > [3]. A simple A4 page folded twice to make a handy bit of info to give > away. Indeed during Software Freedom Day last year Greater London LUG gave > away a leaflet with each Ubuntu CD to help explain FLOSS concepts and where > to go for more help. > > At FOSDEM this year I picked up a whole bunch of *BSD leaflets. They had a > whole bunch [4] explaining different concepts of BSD. > > I really liked the leaflets, which I figured could be given out with Ubuntu > CDs (where ever you find yourself doing that), or just handed to people who > ask lots of akward questions :) > > Then we discover we have a member who runs a printing company who would be > willing to get his design team to work on the leaflets for us, and print a > load too. > > This seems like too good an opportunity to pass up. > > So my questions are, do we have anyone who can write good copy (or know > where to blag it from the wiki) to make a good leaflet or two? > Should this be done by the marketing team and not us? > What leaflets (at a high level) would you like to see? "What is Ubuntu?" > "What is Linux?" "Can I run my Windows software?" kind of flyers immediately > spring to mind. > > Help! > > Cheers, > Al. > > [0] http://www.tux500.com/ > [1] http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-12-15.html > [2] http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InfoPoints/FlyerMasters > [3] > http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/25-Review-Software-Freedom-Day.html > [4] http://misc.allbsd.de/Flyer Will take a good look at this perhaps tomorrow. Before then, I was confronted by a friend of mine on Monday, saying he'd been told by two of his colleagues that they'd tried Linux and thought it was crap. Reading between the lines of what was said, they clearly understood little about Linux because they understood nothing of its social and economic model, a model which means that Linux is a lot more than just an OS on a CD (so is Windows, for that matter). This suggests that they hadn't done any homework about the system, so any faults were likely on their part. I think it's crucial that people understand this as much as advocacy about the OS alone, tools and limited cost arguments. About the medium, how about also getting a bunch of us to spend some quality time collaborating on a series of screencasts, then distributing them on video sites, via bittorrent and even on CDs to be handed out to the public? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Stephen Garton wrote: > On 02/05/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Guys and Dolls, >> >> During the meeting last night on irc we discussed various marketing ideas. >> These included the Tux 500 [0] campaign and the firefox New York Times >> advert [2]. These seem to many of us to be very expensive options for >> marketing Ubuntu. >> >> An alternative that Hampshire LUG has used at info points is the leaflet >> [3]. A simple A4 page folded twice to make a handy bit of info to give >> away. Indeed during Software Freedom Day last year Greater London LUG gave >> away a leaflet with each Ubuntu CD to help explain FLOSS concepts and where >> to go for more help. >> >> At FOSDEM this year I picked up a whole bunch of *BSD leaflets. They had a >> whole bunch [4] explaining different concepts of BSD. >> >> I really liked the leaflets, which I figured could be given out with Ubuntu >> CDs (where ever you find yourself doing that), or just handed to people who >> ask lots of akward questions :) >> >> > > > If it helps or inspires, HullFLOSS have used these leaflets (A4, > intended to be printed as a pair front and back) > > http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2a .pdf > http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2b.pdf > > This is a really good idea. I think it should extend to Ubuntu-UK marketing material in general as we really don't have any at the moment. If this is of interest maybe someone could setup a wiki page for people to suggest designs, submit designs, mock ups etc of leaflets and posters and any other marketing material that would be useful. Michael -- /\/\ichael [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] \/\/ood [ http://michaelwood.me.uk ] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
- Original Message - From: Stephen Garton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets To: Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, British Ubuntu Talk > On 02/05/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Guys and Dolls, > > > > During the meeting last night on irc we discussed various > marketing ideas. > > These included the Tux 500 [0] campaign and the firefox New > York Times > > advert [2]. These seem to many of us to be very expensive > options for > > marketing Ubuntu. > > > > An alternative that Hampshire LUG has used at info points is > the leaflet > > [3]. A simple A4 page folded twice to make a handy bit of info > to give > > away. Indeed during Software Freedom Day last year Greater > London LUG gave > > away a leaflet with each Ubuntu CD to help explain FLOSS > concepts and where > > to go for more help. > > > > At FOSDEM this year I picked up a whole bunch of *BSD > leaflets. They had a > > whole bunch [4] explaining different concepts of BSD. > > > > I really liked the leaflets, which I figured could be given > out with Ubuntu > > CDs (where ever you find yourself doing that), or just handed > to people who > > ask lots of akward questions :) > > > > > If it helps or inspires, HullFLOSS have used these leaflets (A4, > intended to be printed as a pair front and back) > > http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2a .pdf > http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2b.pdf > > -- > Steve Garton > http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > We had some Ubuntu leaflets at Linuxworld London last October. Could we get some more of them from wherever (Canonical?) or get the design in order to print our own? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 12:00 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > IMHO, the WD > Passport is a great piece of kit, especially for laptops and > people who > have to be mobile. > > Yes, I'll keep it as backup but I would at some time like to have > Ubuntu on > > it so that I could plug it into someone else's Windows machine to > demonstrate how friendly Ububtu is. You'd be better off just burning the LiveCD and showing them with that. > What I'm preparing to do is install Ubuntu on the internal HDD > of the > machine. If you agree to this, forget all about pendrives and > external > HDDs for now. The priority's to get that machine working. > > The WD Passport you might as well use as a backup device and > to shift > data between machines. Just plug it into the Feisty machine > and it > should load (mount) straight away. To unload (unmount), I > have to input > in Terminal: > > For the mac, it is recommended (and works) that the desktop icon is > dropped into waste bin. I was referring to Ubuntu. My external SATA drive functions a lot better for some reason. > I trust that you pointed out what a bad investment they were making > with Vista for the free future updates and virus protection. Nope. I wasn't there to sell/argue anything, but was there to do the best for them. There's plenty of good arguments against MS products (and against using Linux there's a few, too), but that wasn't the context. > I suspect there's a bit of this involved with your new > machine. And why > not. It's your machine and it doesn't hurt to try out > alternatives, > especially when that alternative's already set up and ready to > go. > > No. You've got the wrong end of the stick. My missus is happy with > her iphoto and Neooffice J because she can handle it and itmeets her > needs. We've got The Gimp and Photoshop/Illustrator and have not yet > found enough need to spend the time on learning either. About 95% of > my need (apart from the net) is met by Open Office and I am keen to > keep up to date with it. Then why isn't she happy with the old Mac Mini? It seems that what machine either of you use is pretty irrelevant, except for the issue that you'll get more Ubuntu support with the Intel Mac (especially in the long-term). Besides, if her data's on the old Mac, why the effort to transfer it to the new one? (This is just thinking out loud - no need to answer). It doesn't particularly bother me what machine we install it on, but you might want to consult some people who'd know more than me about this support issue. > > Ever thought of a laser printer? I'd never, ever, > EVER go > > back to > > inkjets. > > > > Yes, but currently beyond ouir pocket for a good colour job. > > Why colour? Monochrome is more cost-effective and there's > some good > machines out there that won't break the bank (not least > because, with > moderate use, the consumables last forever!). I'd only use > colour > inkjets for 6" x 4" photo printers (but then again I had one > of these, > used it a few times, and didn't use it again. > > If you could spare a couple of minutes to look at our website > www.cornishhedges.com, you will see why colour is a necessary > evil for us. No need at all that I can see, if you're talking about web design. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 02/05/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guys and Dolls, > > During the meeting last night on irc we discussed various marketing ideas. > These included the Tux 500 [0] campaign and the firefox New York Times > advert [2]. These seem to many of us to be very expensive options for > marketing Ubuntu. > > An alternative that Hampshire LUG has used at info points is the leaflet > [3]. A simple A4 page folded twice to make a handy bit of info to give > away. Indeed during Software Freedom Day last year Greater London LUG gave > away a leaflet with each Ubuntu CD to help explain FLOSS concepts and where > to go for more help. > > At FOSDEM this year I picked up a whole bunch of *BSD leaflets. They had a > whole bunch [4] explaining different concepts of BSD. > > I really liked the leaflets, which I figured could be given out with Ubuntu > CDs (where ever you find yourself doing that), or just handed to people who > ask lots of akward questions :) > If it helps or inspires, HullFLOSS have used these leaflets (A4, intended to be printed as a pair front and back) http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2a .pdf http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2b.pdf -- Steve Garton http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Guys and Dolls, During the meeting last night on irc we discussed various marketing ideas. These included the Tux 500 [0] campaign and the firefox New York Times advert [2]. These seem to many of us to be very expensive options for marketing Ubuntu. An alternative that Hampshire LUG has used at info points is the leaflet [3]. A simple A4 page folded twice to make a handy bit of info to give away. Indeed during Software Freedom Day last year Greater London LUG gave away a leaflet with each Ubuntu CD to help explain FLOSS concepts and where to go for more help. At FOSDEM this year I picked up a whole bunch of *BSD leaflets. They had a whole bunch [4] explaining different concepts of BSD. I really liked the leaflets, which I figured could be given out with Ubuntu CDs (where ever you find yourself doing that), or just handed to people who ask lots of akward questions :) Then we discover we have a member who runs a printing company who would be willing to get his design team to work on the leaflets for us, and print a load too. This seems like too good an opportunity to pass up. So my questions are, do we have anyone who can write good copy (or know where to blag it from the wiki) to make a good leaflet or two? Should this be done by the marketing team and not us? What leaflets (at a high level) would you like to see? "What is Ubuntu?" "What is Linux?" "Can I run my Windows software?" kind of flyers immediately spring to mind. Help! Cheers, Al. [0] http://www.tux500.com/ [1] http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-12-15.html [2] http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InfoPoints/FlyerMasters [3] http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/25-Review-Software-Freedom-Day.html [4] http://misc.allbsd.de/Flyer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 5/2/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 09:39 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > > grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me > grrr... As > > the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come > ready > > loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer > available on > > the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). > > I've got to make the case: if that's all she uses, why are you > surrendering all that machine for two measly apps? > > > > She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the > copy she > > currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes > to a backup > > (& again & again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish > off the > > HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb > allied > > software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits > in, > > please. I think that you may still require details of my > hardware. > > 160gb?!? That's the first I've heard of a 160gb HDD. Where > has it got > to fit in? > > It's frreestanding, self-powered from the USB and runs at 5400 rpm. > It is about 4" square and about a half inch deep, Simple plug and > play interface with mac, and ought to be the same for Ubuntu. Right, I only had time to scan your post last night (and I'll be offline for much of today). The 160gb WD Passport is the same one I've got (make sure you get a pouch for it - it scratches easily). If you're desktop-bound and don't have to transfer data between machines in different locations, I'd have recommended for an external drive the WD My Book 500GB USB (not much difference in cost), but, IMHO, the WD Passport is a great piece of kit, especially for laptops and people who have to be mobile. Yes, I'll keep it as backup but I would at some time like to have Ubuntu on it so that I could plug it into someone else's Windows machine to demonstrate how friendly Ububtu is. What I'm preparing to do is install Ubuntu on the internal HDD of the machine. If you agree to this, forget all about pendrives and external HDDs for now. The priority's to get that machine working. The WD Passport you might as well use as a backup device and to shift data between machines. Just plug it into the Feisty machine and it should load (mount) straight away. To unload (unmount), I have to input in Terminal: For the mac, it is recommended (and works) that the desktop icon is dropped into waste bin. sudo umount /dev/sdb1 If the Passport isn't recognised here, type sudo fdisk -l and see what device it's called, then change the 'sdb1' bit to whatever it is. (there's probably a better fix for this, but I haven't had time to look for it yet). If you really want to, I'm pretty sure you could install a distro on the Passport another time, though. > And yes, post whatever details you can. Might be an idea to > ask in a > Mac forum, or on the Ubuntu Mac one for how to do this (output > the > hardware details). > > Hardware information > > 1.42 GHz PowerPB G4 (1.2), > 512 mb DDR SDRAM > Machine model Powermac 10.1 > cache 512 kb > memory 512 mb > Boot ROM version 4.8.914 > Disc burner MATSHITA CD RW CW- 8124 Cache 2048 kb > Display resolution 1152 x 864 @ 75 Hz - ATI Radeon 9200 > Printer driver 2.68 Excellent. > > What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu > > machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 > although the mac > > mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had > apparently not > > heard of Linux. Disks that come with hardware are almost always useless for Linux, since they're usually designed for Windows and Mac users. > Let's see if we can get it to work then. > > Connect the printer to the Ubuntu machine and switch it on. > > System > Administration > Printing > > Double click 'New Printer' > > and go through the wizard. > > If a model is listed that isn't the exact one, don't fret. It > should > still work, if my experience of Epsom's is anything to go by. > > I tried this friendly approach some while age on the compact laptop > wiwthout success. We'll have to have another attempt when the rest is > loaded on the mac mine. No we won't!!! We're getting a system up and running, with a net connection, then it's time for you to consult the net! I'll be there, too (on this list), so if there's something I can help with, I will, but the specific job is to get the machine functioning enough to let you get out there and find the answers here and elsewhere. I've only got one set of eyeballs (and they're limited by time, too). The greater the number of people who can see whatever the issue is,
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 09:39 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > > grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me > grrr... As > > the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come > ready > > loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer > available on > > the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). > > I've got to make the case: if that's all she uses, why are you > surrendering all that machine for two measly apps? > > > > She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the > copy she > > currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes > to a backup > > (& again & again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish > off the > > HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb > allied > > software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits > in, > > please. I think that you may still require details of my > hardware. > > 160gb?!? That's the first I've heard of a 160gb HDD. Where > has it got > to fit in? > > It's frreestanding, self-powered from the USB and runs at 5400 rpm. > It is about 4" square and about a half inch deep, Simple plug and > play interface with mac, and ought to be the same for Ubuntu. Right, I only had time to scan your post last night (and I'll be offline for much of today). The 160gb WD Passport is the same one I've got (make sure you get a pouch for it - it scratches easily). If you're desktop-bound and don't have to transfer data between machines in different locations, I'd have recommended for an external drive the WD My Book 500GB USB (not much difference in cost), but, IMHO, the WD Passport is a great piece of kit, especially for laptops and people who have to be mobile. What I'm preparing to do is install Ubuntu on the internal HDD of the machine. If you agree to this, forget all about pendrives and external HDDs for now. The priority's to get that machine working. The WD Passport you might as well use as a backup device and to shift data between machines. Just plug it into the Feisty machine and it should load (mount) straight away. To unload (unmount), I have to input in Terminal: sudo umount /dev/sdb1 If the Passport isn't recognised here, type sudo fdisk -l and see what device it's called, then change the 'sdb1' bit to whatever it is. (there's probably a better fix for this, but I haven't had time to look for it yet). If you really want to, I'm pretty sure you could install a distro on the Passport another time, though. > And yes, post whatever details you can. Might be an idea to > ask in a > Mac forum, or on the Ubuntu Mac one for how to do this (output > the > hardware details). > > Hardware information > > 1.42 GHz PowerPB G4 (1.2), > 512 mb DDR SDRAM > Machine model Powermac 10.1 > cache 512 kb > memory 512 mb > Boot ROM version 4.8.914 > Disc burner MATSHITA CD RW CW- 8124 Cache 2048 kb > Display resolution 1152 x 864 @ 75 Hz - ATI Radeon 9200 > Printer driver 2.68 Excellent. > > What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu > > machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 > although the mac > > mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had > apparently not > > heard of Linux. Disks that come with hardware are almost always useless for Linux, since they're usually designed for Windows and Mac users. > Let's see if we can get it to work then. > > Connect the printer to the Ubuntu machine and switch it on. > > System > Administration > Printing > > Double click 'New Printer' > > and go through the wizard. > > If a model is listed that isn't the exact one, don't fret. It > should > still work, if my experience of Epsom's is anything to go by. > > I tried this friendly approach some while age on the compact laptop > wiwthout success. We'll have to have another attempt when the rest is > loaded on the mac mine. No we won't!!! We're getting a system up and running, with a net connection, then it's time for you to consult the net! I'll be there, too (on this list), so if there's something I can help with, I will, but the specific job is to get the machine functioning enough to let you get out there and find the answers here and elsewhere. I've only got one set of eyeballs (and they're limited by time, too). The greater the number of people who can see whatever the issue is, specific to your needs and that machine, the better. There's still the problem that further down the line you might have issues with this non-Intel Mac, seeing as though official support has apparently been withdrawn, b
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 5/1/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 18:31 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > > > On 4/29/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 20:30 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > > Does one just download the .iso file below onto the desktop, > then onto > > the HDD ? > > Download the iso > Burn the disk image (iso) to CD > Boot computer from the CD (this is the install) > > This sounds good to me except that 1. I haven't burnt a CD > before, but imagine that I just folllow the instructions but > 2. The CD drive in the mac mini has a reluctance to eject and > I have to try it many times, including holding the computer at > odd angles in an effort to persuade it to disgorge. > Accordingly I am reluctant to use it. I have an assortment of > pen drives up to 1gb and unexpectedly been given by my elder > daughter, as her father's 75th birthday present, a brand new > Western Digital Passport 160gb which perhaps can be used > instead of the CD drive as a boot disc ? Or will a pen drive > do which I would prefer because I can easily store it away > safely. > The order in with Applestore for the new mac mini. When it comes I > shall first g... have to copy my missus' files over to the new > machine I'd have divorced her. > grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me grrr... As > the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come ready > loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer available on > the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). I've got to make the case: if that's all she uses, why are you surrendering all that machine for two measly apps? > She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the copy she > currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes to a backup > (& again & again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish off the > HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb allied > software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits in, > please. I think that you may still require details of my hardware. 160gb?!? That's the first I've heard of a 160gb HDD. Where has it got to fit in? It's frreestanding, self-powered from the USB and runs at 5400 rpm. It is about 4" square and about a half inch deep, Simple plug and play interface with mac, and ought to be the same for Ubuntu. And yes, post whatever details you can. Might be an idea to ask in a Mac forum, or on the Ubuntu Mac one for how to do this (output the hardware details). Hardware information 1.42 GHz PowerPB G4 (1.2), 512 mb DDR SDRAM Machine model Powermac 10.1 cache 512 kb memory 512 mb Boot ROM version 4.8.914 Disc burner MATSHITA CD RW CW- 8124 Cache 2048 kb Display resolution 1152 x 864 @ 75 Hz - ATI Radeon 9200 Printer driver 2.68 What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu > machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 although the mac > mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had apparently not > heard of Linux. Let's see if we can get it to work then. Connect the printer to the Ubuntu machine and switch it on. System > Administration > Printing Double click 'New Printer' and go through the wizard. If a model is listed that isn't the exact one, don't fret. It should still work, if my experience of Epsom's is anything to go by. I tried this friendly approach some while age on the compact laptop wiwthout success. We'll have to have another attempt when the rest is loaded on the mac mine. Ever thought of a laser printer? I'd never, ever, EVER go back to inkjets. Yes, but currently beyond ouir pocket for a good colour job. Gotta go. Big game tonight. Hope you enjoyed your match. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
