Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Grub would make life easier and if you're reinstalling ubuntu grub would be set up for you if you have both drives in the machine. Just connect the drives as normal XP as Master and ubuntu as slave. You can do the F8 thing if you want, I know somebody that does it at work to hide ubuntu as they don't like unauthorised software on the machines, it's just a bit fiddly. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Setting GRUB up isn't something you generally have to do any more :) Ubuntu installation will take care of it for you. Nowadays dual-booting has become REALLY easy... I recommend it over switching BIOS settings, it's much easier. If both drives are on the same IDE cable then yes, one is master, and one is slave. The arrangements should be shown on the back of the disks. Matthew. On 7/26/07, Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Many thanks Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. If not, post back on this list and I'll tell you what you need to do to add a GRUB entry. On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 20:18 +0100, Keith Powell wrote: For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Many thanks Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Alec Wright wrote: You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. I do not think that it matters much whether one is master or slave (I think). The master boot record is presumably on the master hd, and it will be modified by the ubuntu install wherever that is, to then use the ubuntu boot information (grub). It is easier to have windows in place first, because if you install windows last, it does not take linux into account. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
On 26/07/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would just need to set the Ubuntu one as master and the XP one as slave (not the other way round like you suggested) and when you reinstall Ubuntu, it should automatically add an entry in GRUB for XP. If not, post back on this list and I'll tell you what you need to do to add a GRUB entry. I don't think XP will be too happy booting if it's not on the master disk. As Steve said, keep the XP disk as master and make the Ubuntu disk the slave (using the jumpers on the back of the drives - should be easy to see if they're still in the caddies at the mo!). When you reinstall Ubuntu onto the slave disk, you can select to set up Grub on the MBR of the first disk, and Bob's your Auntie's live-in lover! If you do put the XP disk as the slave, I think you need to use the install disk to re-configure the boot loader to get it to work. And it needs to be a proper install disk that will allow you to get to the recovery console - I tried it with Win2k but I only have an OEM reinstall disk which only offered a complete wipe of the disk to FAT32 (I originally got the PC formatted as NTFS). I haven't used Windows since! Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack!!!!
enthusiam #Segfault enthusiasm was prematurely killed by the 'work' process. Guys, Many apologies for not doing much since the decision to kick off ubuntu-uk marketing was made. I've been incredibly busy with work and have been too tired to offer my services to anything else. My motorway journeys home have also generally consisted of drive - nap - drive over this last week as I've been so tired. I'm off on holiday tomorrow (and don't I need it) to France - so if there's a rainy day I'm taking the laptop so I can do some ubuntu work :) Once again, apologies for the lack of an perceived effort on my part. It will hopefully come into fruition and be evident in the coming weeks. Regards, Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: Matthew Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: 26 July 2007 22:05:50 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack Hey Chris, all Sorry I havn't been poking my head out much, I've been snowed under with my first few weeks at work and simply am too tired in the evenings to do stuff. I have been keeping up with mails though and intend to put some work back in during the weekend, including finishing off those leaflets Might go to Lonix on sat too if anyone else is going Regards, On 24/07/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, enthusiasm I'm feeling in a militant mood today! Check out our first article for publishing in local magazines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing/ArticleForLocalMagazine You'll notice that I've created a submissions table at the bottom to track where this article goes. Why not give it a bash, and if you like it, submit it to your own magazine, student or work publication? Of course you don't have to use that particular article, feel free to create your own and use that instead. But if you do, please put it onto the wiki so we can all use it. A good place to link to your article from would be here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing#head-444a1c3c32b9574071fade666e86f7b79444a50c /enthusiasm Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
For some time now, I have had two hard drives, each in its own plug-in mobile hard drive caddy. One has XP on it (which I still need :-( and the other has Ubuntu on it. So I have just plugged in whichever OS I wanted. I'm thinking of doing away with the hard drive caddies and installing both drives inside the computer. For ease, XP would remain on its existing drive and be plugged into the 'master' plug on the ribbon cable. The Ubuntu drive would be plugged into the 'slave' plug on the IDE ribbon cable. Ubuntu would probably be a reinstall on a new, larger hard drive, but I've not decided yet. I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Is what I want to do, using F8 feasible, or would I be better setting GRUB up? With two hard drives, how are the jumpers set up? One master and one slave, both master, or how? I also have two DVD drives, one is just a player and one which will record. Any advice will be very gratefully received. Many thanks Keith -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 27, Issue 47
Hmm, that hard disc idea sounds good in principal, but then you've got someone who is in the position of suddenly having to worry about DOA products etc etc - a complete headache waiting to happen :\ Not that I'm nay-saying or anything, but in reality it sounds a bit like hard work to me Pete On 26/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... (Alec Wright) 2. Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... (Alan Pope) 3. Re: Repos on a Disk (Alan Pope) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:10:03 +0100 From: Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 20:57 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: And of course the beauty of HDDs is that they're R/W, so you store the up to date images on a server and when the HDDs go out you just copy across the latest image. That just gave me an idea... (if you're sane you'll stop reading now) Canonical could sell external hard disks with version(s), architecture(s) and (what do you call those things which main, restricted, universe and multiverse are?)(s) which you choose on them. After you've chosen what you want (eg main and restricted for feisty and dapper), they recommend the right size hard drive for you. They put the repos on the hard drive and send it to you. Then perhaps you could send it back to them and them pay them a bit to update it... Except there'd probably not be much demand for this. It would only be useful in large businesses, which would almost undoubtedly have an internet connection. Oh well... My idea sucks... Live with it. -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:18:58 +0100 From: Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest... To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Alec, On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 21:10 +0100, Alec Wright wrote: On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 20:57 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: And of course the beauty of HDDs is that they're R/W, so you store the up to date images on a server and when the HDDs go out you just copy across the latest image. That just gave me an idea... (if you're sane you'll stop reading now) Canonical could sell external hard disks with version(s), architecture(s) and (what do you call those things which main, restricted, universe and multiverse are?)(s) which you choose on them. After you've chosen what you want (eg main and restricted for feisty and dapper), they recommend the right size hard drive for you. They put the repos on the hard drive and send it to you. Then perhaps you could send it back to them and them pay them a bit to update it... Except there'd probably not be much demand for this. It would only be useful in large businesses, which would almost undoubtedly have an internet connection. Oh well... My idea sucks... Live with it. Er, that's exactly what I proposed when I first brought this up, only not Canonical specifically doing it. :) Cheersm Al. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20070725/bb8f66d5/attachment-0001.pgp -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:32:44 +0100 From: Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repos on a Disk To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 18:40 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: Hi-de-hi Ho-de-ho. Popey floated an idea a little while back about putting the entire Ubuntu Repository onto a portable HD for use by those who don't have the ability to connect to the Internet or only over dial-up. That's it. I have it on my to-do list along with a zillion other things :) Just to bring to everyones attention that the apt-get series of commands appears to have been enhanced to do exactly this apt-get mirror for example. apt-mirror is the command I was using, it's been around for some time, and whilst there are a few bugs, it's pretty good at doing what I planned. When I brought it up there was
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack!!!!
Hey Chris, all Sorry I havn't been poking my head out much, I've been snowed under with my first few weeks at work and simply am too tired in the evenings to do stuff. I have been keeping up with mails though and intend to put some work back in during the weekend, including finishing off those leaflets Might go to Lonix on sat too if anyone else is going Regards, On 24/07/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, enthusiasm I'm feeling in a militant mood today! Check out our first article for publishing in local magazines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing/ArticleForLocalMagazine You'll notice that I've created a submissions table at the bottom to track where this article goes. Why not give it a bash, and if you like it, submit it to your own magazine, student or work publication? Of course you don't have to use that particular article, feel free to create your own and use that instead. But if you do, please put it onto the wiki so we can all use it. A good place to link to your article from would be here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing#head-444a1c3c32b9574071fade666e86f7b79444a50c /enthusiasm Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 27, Issue 47
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 12:16:37PM +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Hmm, that hard disc idea sounds good in principal, but then you've got someone who is in the position of suddenly having to worry about DOA products etc etc - a complete headache waiting to happen :\ Not that I'm nay-saying or anything, but in reality it sounds a bit like hard work to me Indeed it does :) There are already people who sell a copies of the repo on DVD/CD, but I don't know how popular those products are. Hard disks would be potentially harder work in some ways, but easier in others. It's very easy to have a cron job that regularly runs apt-mirror to keep the master copy up to date, and just rsync the master over to a new disk as/when it is needed to replenish stock or update it prior to sale. Dealing with multiple optical media for each customer also has ups and downs. If you were to take a copy of the binary packages only then it would fit on 3 dual layer DVDs, or 5 single layer ones. If you went for the whole repo (for one release) - including source packages as well as binary, then it would fit on 5 dual layer DVDs, or 9 single layer ones. These assume capacities of 7.7GiB for a DL and 4GiB for a SL. The above figures were thrown together based on a full repo size of 35GiB (for one architecture, one release - e.g. Feisty i386 full repo is 33.1GiB, Dapper sparc full repo is 30.1GiB), and a binary only repo of about 17GiB (they all differ but that's about the max). Clearly if you wanted to fully load up a hard disk this is something that would be impractical on DVD. For example after Gutsy releases there would be 3 supported releases that you'd probably ship - Dapper (LTS), Feisty and Gutsy. Four (i386, AMD64, powerpc and sparc) architectures makes for a full repo size of 392GiB! - Binary only would be around 189GiB. It soon mounts up, especially if you go multi arch. Then there's the possibility of the other architectures like the PS3, however you might argue that someone who has a PS3 likely has broadband? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Two operating systems
Keith Powell wrote: I see that, if I press F8 during the BIOS boot, I can select what I boot from (different DVD drives or different hard drives). Selecting the appropriate hard drive from F8, I think, would be better than messing about setting GRUB up for dual booting. (Something which I don't know how to do at the moment!) It would mean that I don't have to do anything to the XP drive. Grief, no... put the XP drive as master, and your blank shiny new drive as slave... boot into XP to make sure it's working and you're ready to go. Shutdown machine and restart, booting from the Ubuntu CD. Once it's loaded click on the Install icon, make sure your new slave drive is selected as the install destination and sit back and let Ubuntu do it all for you. It will, eventually, ask you if you want it to put a link to XP on grub (or similar), just confirm you do and all will be sorted. There's no reason at all why you could need to mess around or even touch grub... it should be automatic. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
