Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/8/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up everyone! It's 8th August at last! http://dell.co.uk/ubuntu The best thing thats happened in the UK since cillit bang grime and lime :) The link http://dell.co.uk/ubuntu works but when I select the Ubuntu Desktop range I get this error 'The page you requested may no longer exist on Dell.com' Seems they are not quite ready to sell us Dell's with Ubuntu. Annoyingly they also have a Dell with Windows link on that page which of course works. And I agree Cilit Bang is a great product, cleaned my grimmy shower and sink up really well. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:31 +0100, Josh Blacker wrote: count me in on this Me too! :) I'm after a desktop. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
really did hit the spam button in gmail I'l take my chances buying on my own thanks... On 08/08/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:31 +0100, Josh Blacker wrote: count me in on this Me too! :) I'm after a desktop. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
On 8/7/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hit the 'report spam' button in gmail... /joke I'm interested in getting a new desktop for/in september so count me in on this - does the offer extend to monitors and accessories when buying as well? I've only got my laptop at the moment so no peripherals. Ditto. Although one area of interest to me is the onboard modem - does this mean Dell will be doing away with gawdawful winmodems and including a proper one? John -- John Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nelefa.org Dreamers come and go, but a dream's forever. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/7/07, Darren Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:37 +0100, Pete Stean wrote: Wonder how they're getting on with enabling all the features on the laptop though - power management etc - are there any caveats I wonder? Pete My Lenovo built for Windows laptop works fine with wifi/ACPI etc. so if they've had time to get the BIOS sorted for proper standards rather than the Microsoft HCT it should be fine. FWIW, I've been running Ubuntu on an Inspiron 6000 since breezy and everything has worked flawlessly, barring the winmodem, of course. John -- John Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nelefa.org Dreamers come and go, but a dream's forever. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
John Dow wrote: On 8/7/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hit the 'report spam' button in gmail... /joke I'm interested in getting a new desktop for/in september so count me in on this - does the offer extend to monitors and accessories when buying as well? I've only got my laptop at the moment so no peripherals. Ditto. Although one area of interest to me is the onboard modem - does this mean Dell will be doing away with gawdawful winmodems and including a proper one? I recall reading that they have a driver specifically for the onboard winmodem. I think it is available on the dell linux support website, and is stated as being model specific. (all IIRC) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Pete Stean wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| I would (buy one). With dell behind ubuntu and making some reasonable efforts I would probably pay more for a ubuntu machine than an equivalent windows one. I also do not want a windows tax to be passed to M$. Standing up to be counted is not always a totally comfortable experience. I like Linux and I find on reflection that I have spent more money, not less, on computers and computing since I have become settled with Linux than ever I did when locked into (and resentful with) windows. The reason why I use linux and specifically K/Ubuntu is not cost. Nor would I vote for say, a candidate who bought me a best lunch, nor necessarily go for the lowest quote for similar work promises. I just do not think life is *that* simple. Having said all that, I will be delighted when the linux version products are lower priced. I guess that will happen when Dell's throughput increases and they have an established and increasing market. That will happen faster when you buy one also :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Pete On 08/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Stean wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| I would (buy one). With dell behind ubuntu and making some reasonable efforts I would probably pay more for a ubuntu machine than an equivalent windows one. I also do not want a windows tax to be passed to M$. Standing up to be counted is not always a totally comfortable experience. I like Linux and I find on reflection that I have spent more money, not less, on computers and computing since I have become settled with Linux than ever I did when locked into (and resentful with) windows. The reason why I use linux and specifically K/Ubuntu is not cost. Nor would I vote for say, a candidate who bought me a best lunch, nor necessarily go for the lowest quote for similar work promises. I just do not think life is *that* simple. Having said all that, I will be delighted when the linux version products are lower priced. I guess that will happen when Dell's throughput increases and they have an established and increasing market. That will happen faster when you buy one also :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Helping market Dell with Ubuntu
Pete Stean wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Pete Pete, Nik's already re-iterated the point that, to break even for Dell, they'd need to INCREASE the price of the Ubuntu PC, because the crapware revenue for installing stuff like McAfee exceeds the cost of getting a Vista licence! (Nik - A company I was a non-exec for a couple of years of was looking to provide a 30-day trial of one of its products with Dell - I'm NDAd from giving details, but your analysis strikes me as accurate.) One thing that may be worth playing up is something like: This PC is available with one of two options: - Microsoft Windows (Microsoft Office £300 extra) - Ubuntu Linux and Open Office To respond to those who may point out that the customer could install OOo for Windows 1: There IS a genuine value in receiving a pre-configured machine with the office suite ready to go. Most people place a non-zero value on their time. (If you don't, I'm be delighted for you to come and work for me :-) ) 2: If you consider that one of the benefits of Windows is the amount of Free software available for it, feel free to make such a declaration :-) Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
Is there an Ubuntu UK forum anywhere? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Nik Butler wrote: Pete Stean wrote: The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Why ? Well because the additional saving of the License if off set by the additional bloatware that is installed and paid to be installed by other software vendors. Hardware costs and minimal and the cost of the license ( and I really want someone from Dell to show me this not some armchair pundit ! ) is incredibly negligible to be not worth the value of the discount compared to the revenue made by other advertisers. I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! On the other point of the Vista machine being the same price as Ubuntu, then it is not. Add in the price of Microsoft Office and then compare the costs! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
Well there's this mailing list and the IRC channel at #ubuntu-uk on freenode - personally I would prefer an online forum but that's my own personal prejudice :) On 08/08/07, James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an Ubuntu UK forum anywhere? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
Pete Stean wrote: Well there's this mailing list and the IRC channel at #ubuntu-uk on freenode - personally I would prefer an online forum but that's my own personal prejudice :) Your not alone, see my other answer Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:32 +0100, Dave Murphy wrote: Canonical announced today that DELL machines are available in the UK, France and Germany. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/dell-available-in-europe It's great news, but WHY OH WHY aren't they selling the Inspiron 1420N in Europe? They'll get my money when they will sell me a 14 laptop with Ubuntu on. If they won't, I may have to get a Lenovo with SuSE, and hope that it works with ubuntu. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Pete Stean wrote: alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Accepted yes. I have found that people around me are influenced by what they see me do and by what I say. The various people who are using linux because of me directly have had it installed by me (!) and have based their trust in what they know of me. Their alternative is to find another 'advisor' (friend or family member, FOFM), or to trust the retail shop. Money is important I fully agree, and particularly for the uninformed and uncommitted. I do not think the Dell moves will directly influence uninformed people, but they will notice that an alternative suddenly exists. And yes they would take notice more quickly if there was a price drop. But this is a first step in a marketing process - visibility. Some of my friends will in the future want a dell ubuntu PC. Some will still want me to create a dual boot PC. IF Dell are offering the same as single boot, it will make it much easier to get the possibility accepted. I think Dell believe there is significant interest (profit) in linux. Micheal Dell bought into some Linux companies a few years ago I think, but his ventures were moderated (so I heard) apparently by the association with MS whereby Del was not prohibited from selling linux but were restrained from -promoting- it. The cleverness in the existing situation is that a user ideas forum has done the promoting itself! The line Dell is consistently taking is that this venture is customer led. No dell *promotion*. Which hopefully will tread the fine line they have to move along commercially. I think it would be a bad situation if by some means the Dell ubuntu PCs were very much cheaper just now because if a lot of uninformed purchases occurred, linux would get bad publicity from helpless users who could not get support from their neighbours. The commercial pressures Dell are under encourage a slow start, and this also allows the community, including FOFM's, to adjust and support, I hope. :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
Some one mentioned this the other day, although it doesn't link in with the mailing list or IRC. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 MooDoo Whoa!! When did we decide to open an Ubuntu-UK forum! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
If there is one really good thing to come out of this (other than simply visibility of our chosen O/S on the shelf) it's the fact that, in addition to the Suse/Lenovo offering, we now know of at least two laptops that can run linux without any major impediments - makes the purchase of my next laptop a much less fraught experience :) Pete On 08/08/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Stean wrote: alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly the same price (and they know that Vista is worth something in monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is free). I can just predict how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, when in fact there is but they just can't see it Accepted yes. I have found that people around me are influenced by what they see me do and by what I say. The various people who are using linux because of me directly have had it installed by me (!) and have based their trust in what they know of me. Their alternative is to find another 'advisor' (friend or family member, FOFM), or to trust the retail shop. Money is important I fully agree, and particularly for the uninformed and uncommitted. I do not think the Dell moves will directly influence uninformed people, but they will notice that an alternative suddenly exists. And yes they would take notice more quickly if there was a price drop. But this is a first step in a marketing process - visibility. Some of my friends will in the future want a dell ubuntu PC. Some will still want me to create a dual boot PC. IF Dell are offering the same as single boot, it will make it much easier to get the possibility accepted. I think Dell believe there is significant interest (profit) in linux. Micheal Dell bought into some Linux companies a few years ago I think, but his ventures were moderated (so I heard) apparently by the association with MS whereby Del was not prohibited from selling linux but were restrained from -promoting- it. The cleverness in the existing situation is that a user ideas forum has done the promoting itself! The line Dell is consistently taking is that this venture is customer led. No dell *promotion*. Which hopefully will tread the fine line they have to move along commercially. I think it would be a bad situation if by some means the Dell ubuntu PCs were very much cheaper just now because if a lot of uninformed purchases occurred, linux would get bad publicity from helpless users who could not get support from their neighbours. The commercial pressures Dell are under encourage a slow start, and this also allows the community, including FOFM's, to adjust and support, I hope. :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
- Original Message - From: Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum? Some one mentioned this the other day, although it doesn't link in with the mailing list or IRC. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 MooDoo Whoa!! When did we decide to open an Ubuntu-UK forum! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I don't think it was ever officially decided but as usual the only way to get things done is to do it then annouce it's been done, if people want to use it great [imho] MooDoo -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
I knew that was there, but nobody seems to have used it, so i guessed we werent supposed to. On 8/8/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some one mentioned this the other day, although it doesn't link in with the mailing list or IRC. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 MooDoo Whoa!! When did we decide to open an Ubuntu-UK forum! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
| knew that was there, but nobody seems to have used it, so i guessed we werent supposed to. If you want to use it then go ahead, it's like the disco, no one will use it but when someone does they turn up un droves :) MooDoo -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
I notice that PriceChild (the god of Beryl how-tos...) is the first poster - good on him Pete (aka Milesteg on IRC and the Ubuntu-uk forum :P ) On 08/08/07, PAul Mellors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum? Some one mentioned this the other day, although it doesn't link in with the mailing list or IRC. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 MooDoo Whoa!! When did we decide to open an Ubuntu-UK forum! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I don't think it was ever officially decided but as usual the only way to get things done is to do it then annouce it's been done, if people want to use it great [imho] MooDoo -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. On the bright side, sometimes this approach gets people into FL/OSS software my brother, for instance, used the paint program until it expired, decided he needed a paint program, and now uses The GIMP. Once you've got someone on The GIMP, OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, it's not a long stretch to get them onto Ubuntu M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Mark, Mark Harrison wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. Ah! That makes sense. I've never bought a machine from a retailer with pre-installed software, so I've never experienced this. Just goes to show that there are even more potential hidden costs to the Vista machine that aren't there with FL/OSS. On the bright side, sometimes this approach gets people into FL/OSS software my brother, for instance, used the paint program until it expired, decided he needed a paint program, and now uses The GIMP. I bet you influenced your brother in his decision! Most people, I'm sure, will just cough up the money being unaware of the free alternatives. Once you've got someone on The GIMP, OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, it's not a long stretch to get them onto Ubuntu This is very true. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Creating 'root' account. (sudo, recovery mode)
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Adam Funk wrote: Isn't [..dropping straight to a root shell..] a bit of a security hole? No... Something is not a security issue if there are multiple other ways to achieve the same thing (linux init=/bin/sh, LiveCD). You are free to: 1. Set the Grub password (to prevent changing the default boot entry) 2. Set the BIOS password (to prevent altering the default boot device) 3. Set the Machine in concrete (to prevent resetting the BIOS password) ...though an absolute pain to replace the fan after the computer overheats. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Helsinki, FI -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer? And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)? Way to go, Dell UK :| Pete Hi Pete, Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-) For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n): With Ubuntu - £329 With Windows Vista - £358.99 Relevant Specs: N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache) 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display 512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512] 60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard Drive N-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB shared graphics memory 8x DVD/24x CDRW No Floppy Drive Accessories Intel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors) So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine they may have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering, then tweaked it further down the line - including the price. HTH Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
Tony Arnold wrote: Mark, Mark Harrison wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I've never understood how or why this works! Why should the vendor of the bloatware pay Dell to install it? Surelly, Dell should buy a license for the bloatware from its vendor and pass this on to the customer. It just seems counter intutitive to me, but then I work in a University and have almost zero understanding of how business works! It's the free trial principle. The software that's included is something like a 30-day version of a paint program, or a 6-month subscription to an anti-virus product. Once the customer is hooked on the product, it's easier for them to get out a credit card and pay the fee to enable it for longer than to start looking around for alternatives. Ah! That makes sense. I've never bought a machine from a retailer with pre-installed software, so I've never experienced this. Just goes to show that there are even more potential hidden costs to the Vista machine that aren't there with FL/OSS. I have several times been called to help the novice owners of new machines (dell as it happens). In each case the machine was effectively *disabled* because the worried new owner/s had refused to click on popups asking various questions including sign up of various things. These would have mostly ended in them getting deeper into things they simply did not understand (and were genuinely confusing to me too) and probably paying for things they did not want. In each case it took quite a few hours for me to talk them through their machine and its popups and demands and allow them to decide what they wanted to do. Almost always they decided to dump the crapware and use free or foss instead. In one case the person decided to continue for a time with mcafee becase a 13 month free period was clearly offered. However, after 3 months a statement came from mcafee that the free period had ended. If you cannot trust an antivirus company who. The untrustworthy company's program was quickly dumped. All this dumping took an enormous time, including checking that stuff had gone as expected , and the endless rebooting of course. The moral of the story is that obviously there are enough people who do not go to all the trouble and worry to dump the stuff, and end up paying, to make it worth wile for the companies to want to install it and presumably pay for this. One consequence was that K/Ubuntu got installed quickly too, when it was realised that it did not need this stuff and any way the non proprietary basis was a more pleasant environment! -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UK
I think i would rather go down the warehouse, http:://www.e-woc.co.uk and buy a barebones and set it up myself...Linux User: 447671 Ubuntu User: 16457 From:"Kris Marsh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comTo:"British Ubuntu Talk" ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comSubject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] DELL w/Ubuntu available in the UKDate:Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:14:33 +0100On 8/8/07, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the Dell Inspiron 6400 which they are selling retails for £359+ depending on features such as memory etc. The irony of course is that this machine is *no cheaper* than the Vista-loaded equivalent... why are they not prepared to pass on the licence cost saving to the consumer?And who would buy a Ubuntu machine when they can get a Vista machine for the same price (knowing, of course, that a free Ubuntu install can be put on the machine with no problems...)?Way to go, Dell UK:| PeteHi Pete,Hopefully you'll be pleased to know that you are incorrect :-)For the same specs notebook (6400 vs 6400n):With Ubuntu - £329With Windows Vista - £358.99Relevant Specs:N-Series-Intel(r) Celeron(r) M 520 Processor (1.6GHz,533MHz,1MB cache)15.4" Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display512MB 533MHz Single Channel DDR2 SDRAM [1x512]60GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard DriveN-Series - Intel(r) Media Accelerator 950 Graphics Up to 256MB sharedgraphics memory8x DVD/24x CDRWNo Floppy DriveAccessoriesIntel(r) Pro Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCI Card (for Celeron Processors)So if you found the prices to be the same initially, I imagine theymay have just copied and pasted the Windows Vista product offering,then tweaked it further down the line - including the price.HTHKris--ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/Get Pimped! FREE emoticons and customisation from Windows Live - Pimp My Live! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum?
Sorry guys 'n' gals, personal preference means I don't frequent forums. Don't feel too bad as I don't do IRC or IM either! E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of PAul Mellors Sent: 08 August 2007 16:01 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum? - Original Message - From: Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do we have a forum? Some one mentioned this the other day, although it doesn't link in with the mailing list or IRC. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 MooDoo Whoa!! When did we decide to open an Ubuntu-UK forum! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I don't think it was ever officially decided but as usual the only way to get things done is to do it then annouce it's been done, if people want to use it great [imho] MooDoo -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
Sounds great. If i buy a PC through you, will I be able to customise it? On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:16 +0100, Nik Butler wrote: [ SALES PITCH ] As many may already be aware Dell will be shipping Ubuntu preinstalled kit to the UK market. I am ( to the best of my knowledge ) uniquely positioned to have a very long term working and purchasing arrangement with Dell on behalf of all my customers. Depending on the models and volumes I can usually arrange a good margin on the order value ( read discount ). I will be posting some quotes and thoughts about this range tomorrow as well and if people are interested in a collective buying power position then I will be happy to mediate ( of course for a small percentage ) . Dell are really committed to supporting Ubuntu on their product lines and now is the opportunity to show an interest and a commitment to helping them deliver and generate a productive revenue stream in our market. I will of course be blogging about this as well and detailing any offers I can provide at the time , including how to buy and what sort of support we can expect in terms of hardware. Thanks for taking time to read and heres looking forward to tommorow when Freedom comes to the European and UK markets. Nik Butler -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
Alec Wright wrote: Sounds great. If i buy a PC through you, will I be able to customise it? As in the hardware? I would expect that would void the warranty -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [SALES PITCH ]Dell hardware and Ubuntu.
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:25 +0100, James Grabham wrote: Alec Wright wrote: Sounds great. If i buy a PC through you, will I be able to customise it? As in the hardware? I would expect that would void the warranty Yes, as in the hardware. But no, it wouldn't. Dell let you customise it before you buy. That's the customisation I mean. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] What to do after GCSEs?
Full question here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=520925 Please Help! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
